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Oregon man says he saw no torture at Abu Ghraib - Bowser - 5/17/2004 6:51:24 PM
- re: Oregon man says he saw no torture at Abu Ghraib - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 11:00:53 PM
- re: Oregon man says he saw no torture at Abu Ghraib - Nick - 5/17/2004 7:51:53 PM

Iraqi General Urges Support of U.S. Troops . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 10:28:43 PM
- So far so good for the Major General - FrankC - 5/17/2004 6:52:01 PM

It's all in the name - Nick - 5/15/2004 3:02:17 PM
- I hear there's a war on. - Tom Brosz - 5/15/2004 3:14:20 PM
  - And that's the problem with black-and-white thinking. - Bowser - 5/16/2004 2:02:17 AM
    - So, is holding someone without access to a lawyer also "torture" now? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/16/2004 7:48:01 AM
      - Given the nature, habits and practices of this administration, - Bowser - 5/16/2004 1:34:00 PM
        
        Incommunicado and Guantanamo - Tom Brosz - 5/16/2004 6:54:31 PM
        
        Well, Guantanamo, too. - Bowser - 5/16/2004 8:05:47 PM
        
        There aren't any Americans who have disappeared into night, fog, or the Twilight Zone. - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 1:27:07 AM
        
        Prove it! Why else do they insist on the power? - Bowser - 5/17/2004 4:10:43 PM
        
        I don't have to. Any more than I have to "prove" there is no life on Mars. That isn't how reason and logic work. - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 5:36:56 PM
  - Didn't we use POWs in forced labor during WWII? - Lee - 5/15/2004 8:03:59 PM
  - funny tom. - Nick - 5/15/2004 3:33:05 PM

Sarin Found In Iraq - Perspective - 5/17/2004 2:26:14 PM
- re: Sarin Found In Iraq - link, and some comments - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 3:50:11 PM
  - I' probably wrong about this... - Jacob Samorodin - 5/17/2004 5:08:50 PM
    - Color Coding - Perspective - 5/17/2004 5:34:28 PM
    - Shells - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 5:29:27 PM
  - Mustard Too - Perspective - 5/17/2004 3:55:34 PM
    - Fox News story - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 4:33:11 PM
      - Interesting - Perspective - 5/17/2004 4:38:36 PM
        
        I think there is a lot our military is doing we don't hear about. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 4:53:33 PM
        
        I Agree - Perspective - 5/17/2004 5:14:13 PM
- Little More - Perspective - 5/17/2004 2:33:43 PM

And just when one thinks it can't get worse, it gets worse. - Bowser - 5/16/2004 10:16:55 PM
- And just as disturbing... - Donald - 5/17/2004 5:11:39 AM
  - It isn't a "coverup" and never was. - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 5:27:35 AM
    - The cover-up was the "investigation". - Bowser - 5/17/2004 12:12:54 PM
      - "Publicly-announced investigation" = "coverup." If you say so. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 4:59:58 PM
      - If you were the investigator. - RobVG - 5/17/2004 3:09:57 PM

In the meantime: US to move Korea troops to Iraq - Donald - 5/17/2004 12:59:26 PM
- re: US to move Korea troops to Iraq - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 3:55:20 PM
  - Is Justin in the 2'd Infantry Division? (n/t) - Jacob Samorodin - 5/17/2004 4:54:12 PM

LA Times Media Bias Fisked - phil - 5/17/2004 1:12:54 PM

A lever to use on Saddam - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 7:05:38 AM

CIA Wrong on Iraq 'Mobile Labs,' Powell Says . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 10:44:15 PM
- Yup...I knew that - Donald - 5/17/2004 5:05:48 AM
- It was Russert who "chastised" the press aide. - RobVG - 5/17/2004 3:53:04 AM

Nick Berg's excecution faked? - Nick - 5/16/2004 5:16:57 PM
- Hoofprints of horses, not zebras. - Mary Anne - 5/16/2004 10:27:00 PM
  - Follow the Hoofprints - Nick - 5/17/2004 12:51:42 AM
    - I'll go this far with you: I think too there was something weird about the way Nick Berg travelled around Iraq. - Mary Anne - 5/17/2004 1:30:45 AM
      - Berg's father - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 4:33:53 AM
- re: execution - Tom Brosz - 5/16/2004 6:17:30 PM
  - re: execution - RobVG - 5/16/2004 9:08:54 PM
    - Connection to the terrorist - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 12:50:17 AM
    - About the use of the handle "Nick" - Robert (getting sick of moderating) - 5/16/2004 9:34:53 PM
- Classic example of conspiracy think - Robert (in civilian clothes) - 5/16/2004 6:13:03 PM
- ...and now Powell is telling the Arab gov. how to feel about the beheading. - Nick - 5/16/2004 6:03:24 PM
- Inflammatory - Robert (as moderator) - 5/16/2004 6:00:46 PM
  - Moderator - Nick - 5/16/2004 6:20:31 PM
    - Gimme a break - Robert - 5/16/2004 8:56:53 PM
    - Open Mind or Hole in the Head? Thin line. - Tom Brosz - 5/16/2004 7:04:41 PM

Poll: Bush Job Approval Hits New Low . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 4:00:37 AM
- Newsview: Iraq May Be Main Election Issue . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 4:44:27 AM
  - Iraq has to be the main election issue. The Democrats fell on their face with the economic issues. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/16/2004 7:19:12 AM
    - re: And they do seem to stumble a lot when faced with Iraq . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 2:49:14 PM
      - This is satire, right? - Bowser - 5/16/2004 5:07:38 PM
        
        The Democrats had better handle that "served in combat" label carefully. - Tom Brosz - 5/16/2004 6:34:20 PM
        
        You might want to respect veterans of foreign wars. - Bowser - 5/16/2004 8:23:54 PM
        
        Depends on the veteran. - Tom Brosz - 5/17/2004 12:56:53 AM
        
        re: All bow to the mighty Vietnam War God, Kerry . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 10:10:18 PM
        
        Oh, you little black-and-white rascal, you. - Bowser - 5/16/2004 10:30:18 PM
        
        re: Missed again -- keep trying, I'll wait . . . (n/t) - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 10:47:02 PM
        
        Promise? OK, I'll be back, you stay right here! (n/t) - Bowser - 5/16/2004 11:11:40 PM
        
        re: Not holding my breath . . . - D. Spires - 5/17/2004 3:12:46 AM
        
        re: In Bowserland . . . (n/t) - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 5:17:41 PM

Indian voters deal setback to Hindu nationalism - m - 5/17/2004 1:45:17 AM

Russia Wants Faster Aid for 'Rotting' Nuclear Subs . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 10:18:09 PM

Israeli Helicopters Attack Fatah Office in Gaza-Witnesses . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 9:54:56 PM

Coalition troops 'may quit Iraq' - Bowser - 5/16/2004 8:19:08 PM
- Powell now says troops will stay, under US command, but Iraqis will be "sovereign". - Bowser - 5/16/2004 8:49:37 PM

Rumsfeld implicated in prisoner abuse scandal - Donald - 5/16/2004 1:18:48 PM
- Redux: DOD classic non-denial "denial". The coverup special. - Bowser - 5/16/2004 1:47:19 PM
  - What it means... - Donald - 5/16/2004 2:15:28 PM
    - Rumsfeld: "I don't do quagmires." (n/t) - Bowser - 5/16/2004 5:00:40 PM

Recording beatings and torture was the US military norm. There must be volumes of video somewhere. - Nick - 5/15/2004 11:29:54 PM
- Did you realize that unpleasant things are likely to happen to you if you attack the United States of America? What a surprise! (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/16/2004 4:49:47 AM
  - And what if you just mind your own business half a world away? - Bowser - 5/16/2004 5:46:22 AM
    - Sorry, guy, but Iraq was failing to cooperate with UN inspections, playing a cat-and-mouse game with the inspectors. - David F Mayer - 5/16/2004 6:17:19 AM
      - The UN, you may recall, didn't approve this aggression. - Bowser - 5/16/2004 1:19:31 PM
- Another loss - who will EVER believe American denials again? - Bowser - 5/16/2004 12:08:52 AM
- Rumsfeld Approved Iraq Interrogation Plan... - Nick - 5/15/2004 11:33:58 PM
  - If Hersh's story is true, Rumsfeld is history (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 5/16/2004 3:42:40 AM
    - re: IF Hersh's story is true. - Tom Brosz - 5/16/2004 7:29:17 AM
      - A classic non-denial "denial". When you see it you know there's a coverup. - Bowser - 5/16/2004 1:41:52 PM
  - Some time ago... - Alan G. Archer - 5/16/2004 12:33:31 AM
  - This New Yorker story is a MUST read.. - Nick - 5/16/2004 12:00:40 AM
    - Rumfelds right hand man. - Nick - 5/16/2004 12:59:57 AM
  - He had to have. Why refute the Geneva Convention? - Bowser - 5/15/2004 11:59:45 PM

This could drive a stake through the heart of the denial nonsense. - Bowser - 5/16/2004 5:51:51 AM
- re: drive a stake - Tom Brosz - 5/16/2004 7:16:31 AM
  - Credibility. - Bowser - 5/16/2004 1:15:06 PM

Hoods on prisoners - Tom Brosz - 5/15/2004 6:28:09 PM
- You and Will Rogers, with one small, teeny, weenie difference. - Bowser - 5/16/2004 1:52:52 AM
  - Just out of curiosity... - Tom Brosz - 5/16/2004 7:38:14 AM
  - re: And that's the problem with black-and-white thinking . . . (n/t) - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 3:14:36 AM

How to solve the Social Security problem and make the Tax Code fair. - David F Mayer - 5/16/2004 4:47:58 AM
- Tax code - Tom Brosz - 5/16/2004 5:56:07 AM
  - Perhaps it is time for another Constitutional Convention. - David F Mayer - 5/16/2004 6:10:35 AM
    - Constitutional Convention? God, no. - Tom Brosz - 5/16/2004 7:09:27 AM
    - And you'll have to do the same thing for the states. - Lee - 5/16/2004 7:03:19 AM

Mexican Air Force Pilots Film Unidentified Objects . . . - D. Spires - 5/12/2004 10:14:57 PM
- video.... - Derek - 5/13/2004 12:08:25 PM
  - Please, spare us from the UFO nonsense. After a half-century of "sightings", not one single piece of convincing evidence has emerged. Including this video. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/14/2004 7:15:51 AM
    - Keep repeating that to yourself....... - Lindy - 5/14/2004 5:38:57 PM
- Thank God They're Here......... - Lindy - 5/13/2004 6:03:39 AM
  - "These guys don't answer to Rumsfeld" Are you sure? - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 5:25:54 PM
  - re: Thank God They're Here.........ROTFLMAO!!! - phil - 5/13/2004 1:44:15 PM
- Be careful with Jaime Maussan websites - Gary - 5/13/2004 4:33:22 AM
- I will just have to put on my official Buck Rogers Space Command uniform and get into my flying saucer and join the crowd over Mexico. - David F Mayer - 5/13/2004 3:25:41 AM
  - Well David........ - Lindy - 5/13/2004 6:19:31 AM
    - And how many 'beginnings' did you firmly believe in that turned out to be nothing at all? (n/t) - R.L. - 5/13/2004 11:14:12 PM
      - re: And how many 'beginnings' did you firmly believe in that turned out to be nothing at all? - Lindy - 5/14/2004 2:48:55 AM
        
        You dont do research... - R.L. - 5/15/2004 6:21:33 AM
        
        Research - Lindy - 5/15/2004 4:35:37 PM
        
        They can't get me, since I am wearing my Official Buck Rogers armored space suit. I also have my Official Buck Rogers decoder ring, which will permit me to intercept their transmissions. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/16/2004 6:20:49 AM
        
        re: Research - R.L. - 5/15/2004 7:02:12 PM
        
        "Perhaps you will be the first vaporized" - p - 5/15/2004 8:57:52 PM
        
        Well... - R.L. - 5/16/2004 5:55:31 AM
- Bring em on (n/t) - FrankC - 5/13/2004 3:16:55 AM

Powell: Palestinians to Mull Gaza Deal . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 4:32:08 AM
- Arafat will use the opportunity to re-arm after borders are - David F Mayer - 5/16/2004 4:37:25 AM

The Mexican Air Force UFO Flap - David F Mayer - 5/14/2004 7:20:56 PM
- So many excuses.... - Juan - 5/15/2004 12:27:08 PM
  - So many blurry images. So much hype over nothing. So Little EVIDENCE. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/16/2004 2:37:34 AM
  - Keep'n those "funny scientist" busy. - Juan - 5/15/2004 3:43:56 PM
- Looks like a UFO flap going on now. - Juan - 5/15/2004 1:50:51 AM
  - Very amusing, but hardly convincing. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/16/2004 4:33:16 AM
  - Are we to assume that you find these reports credible? - R.L. - 5/15/2004 3:00:59 AM
    - Hey kids, I'm only pointing out the stories in the news. Don't expect your Bushie to present UFO news to you. (n/t) - Juan - 5/15/2004 10:58:26 AM
      - There is no 'News' - R.L. - 5/15/2004 9:14:21 PM
    - Hey, prove that they're NOT flying saucers! ;) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/15/2004 5:07:25 AM
      - Dont be stupid, Tom, didnt you see the 'UFO's' in the paintings Juan linked to? - R.L. - 5/15/2004 8:48:52 AM
    - The Polish one is obviously a Pleiadian beamship you fool! - RobVG - 5/15/2004 3:15:38 AM
      - That's planet Venus... - Juan - 5/15/2004 11:11:12 AM
      - Ok I grant you that.... - R.L. - 5/15/2004 8:54:42 AM
- It was planet Venus. (n/t) - Astro - 5/14/2004 7:35:25 PM
  - Could be. Lens flare can cause multiple images. (n/t) - DFM - 5/14/2004 7:42:19 PM

Warner: Prison Abusers Held Accountable . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 4:08:50 AM
- Powell Vows Justice for Abu Ghraib; Arabs Skeptical . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 4:18:42 AM

Today, May 14th. "As scandal grows U.S. rejects several controversial tactics," - Bowser - 5/15/2004 2:04:55 AM
- re: Too funny . . . - D. Spires - 5/15/2004 4:17:59 PM
  - If you can't refute what is said, argue with the way they said it. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/16/2004 1:54:16 AM
    - re: Sorry about that . . . - D. Spires - 5/16/2004 3:11:42 AM
- Not going to let go of those phantom prisoners, are you? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/15/2004 4:22:13 AM
  - Heh, heh. Keep saying it - "Nothing happened!! And what didn't happen wasn't torture!! They deserved it anyway!!" - Bowser - 5/15/2004 4:38:32 AM

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