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See No Evil - Newsweek - Bowser - 5/14/2004 5:01:39 PM
- re: Newsweek - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 5:47:59 PM
  - Ah, kill the messenger. Again. Re innocent detainees. - Bowser - 5/14/2004 6:49:22 PM
    - re: innocent detainees. - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 7:29:55 PM
      - Well, about that "Patriot Act". - Bowser - 5/14/2004 7:48:52 PM
        
        Realities - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 10:38:49 PM
        
        Prove that 10,000 Americans aren't being held under the "Patriot Act" and being tortured. - Bowser - 5/15/2004 1:39:26 AM
        
        re: Prove there are any at all. I think in the world of actual logic the burden of proof is yours. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/15/2004 4:33:32 AM
        
        Wrong again. You said they weren't there. - Bowser - 5/15/2004 4:45:38 AM
        
        Bologna - FrankC - 5/15/2004 5:00:41 AM
        
        Why else do they want that power? - Bowser - 5/15/2004 1:43:50 PM
        
        power? - FrankC - 5/15/2004 3:58:24 PM
        
        Proof positive - FrankC - 5/15/2004 2:49:36 AM
        
        BTW, what do you think about your Major General? (n/t) - Bowser - 5/15/2004 3:04:04 AM
        
        Don't know - FrankC - 5/15/2004 3:51:51 AM
        
        I'm such small potatoes, I wouldn't make a whole "Victory fry". - Bowser - 5/15/2004 3:03:08 AM
        
        That's "Freedom Fry" - Fox - 5/16/2004 1:58:14 AM

Another small piece of the picture from Iraq - Tom Brosz - 5/15/2004 11:33:17 PM

Teachers Placed on Leave for Berg Video . . . - D. Spires - 5/15/2004 10:40:09 PM

What to Do About the Abuses at Abu Ghraib . . . ? - D. Spires - 5/15/2004 6:49:45 PM
- Generals in a Labyrinth of Blame . . . - D. Spires - 5/15/2004 7:12:29 PM

Prisoners of Abu Ghraib - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 10:51:30 PM
- Natural Born Torturers. - Nick - 5/15/2004 11:24:00 AM
  - What's wrong with this picture? Or pictures? - Tom Brosz - 5/15/2004 3:04:09 PM
    - And justice for all........ - Lindy - 5/15/2004 4:01:08 PM

McCain for Kerry's Vice President - Tom Brosz - 5/15/2004 3:32:56 PM

Amusing - Hans - 5/15/2004 7:58:07 AM
- re: Amusing - Tom Brosz - 5/15/2004 2:58:51 PM

Iraqi "transition" as seen from Egypt. - Bowser - 5/15/2004 2:32:10 PM

Compensation - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 7:51:58 PM
- I think we gotta do it. Not for them, but for us. - Bowser - 5/15/2004 1:47:41 PM
- Non-"L.A. Times" link - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 7:59:39 PM

Background briefing on military interrogation - Tom Brosz - 5/15/2004 4:31:43 AM

"Police union backs Kerry" - Backed Bush in 2000 - Bowser - 5/15/2004 3:10:51 AM

Senators See New Photographs . . . - D. Spires - 5/14/2004 1:22:12 AM
- Photo may show intelligence officers in charge. - Nick - 5/14/2004 2:30:48 PM
- Wonder what the "legal" basis for withholding those photos is. - Bowser - 5/14/2004 5:05:33 AM
  - "legal" basis - RobVG - 5/14/2004 2:26:48 PM
    - This sudden burst of compassion is nice. - Bowser - 5/14/2004 3:15:09 PM
      - Why do you want the images released? - SDG - 5/14/2004 6:08:56 PM
        
        Shorter answer: maximum political damage. - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 11:15:36 PM
        
        That's a good question, with, I think, a good answer. - Bowser - 5/14/2004 6:22:04 PM
        
        "It was only after the public became aware that the administration found the acts reprehensible." - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 11:31:53 PM
        
        You're just putting the shuck on me. You don't believe this, I'm sure. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/15/2004 2:08:08 AM
        
        re: That's a good question, with, I think, a good answer. - SDG - 5/14/2004 6:41:11 PM
        
        Another timeline - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 11:13:14 PM
        
        A timeline - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 10:54:33 PM
  - Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld - FrankC - 5/14/2004 5:15:30 AM
    - Yer comin' along, FrankO!! That's the point. - Bowser - 5/14/2004 5:41:21 AM
- Scandals - Lindy - 5/14/2004 2:57:35 AM
  - "the denial and coverup of what the government knows about ufos" Evidently your friend is putting you on. - David F Mayer - 5/14/2004 7:13:06 AM

For the poll lovers - "82 percent of Iraqis oppose U.S. occupation" - Bowser - 5/13/2004 4:22:32 PM
- Polls. - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 5:18:48 PM
  - Reality v. ignorance. - Bowser - 5/13/2004 5:42:58 PM
    - re: Reality v. propaganda - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 6:00:19 PM
      - Getting the point - alcaray - 5/14/2004 3:26:08 PM
        
        All right. The bloody point. - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 6:11:38 PM
        
        Then let's get your point out of the way and go back to Bowser's post? - alcaray - 5/14/2004 7:22:37 PM
        
        re: back to Bowser's post - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 7:58:10 PM
        
        re: All right. The bloody point. - McFly - 5/14/2004 7:00:11 PM

Media apologizes for fake torture pictures (or: "Tailwind II") - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 7:25:20 PM
- Unfortunately, the USA pictures were NOT fakes. Too bad. We DID accept the blame and apologize, which was very smart. Now we can move on. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/14/2004 7:43:52 PM

Bush in trouble - Donald - 5/13/2004 1:49:09 AM
- re: Foreigner's Opinion (Canadian) - Success_Machine - 5/13/2004 6:38:01 AM
- Pick an alternative - FrankC - 5/13/2004 5:14:50 AM
  - re: alternative - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 5:43:36 AM
- BIG trouble. - Bowser - 5/13/2004 5:01:08 AM
- His mistakes - Donald - 5/13/2004 1:52:08 AM
  - re: His mistakes - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 3:27:23 AM
    - re: His mistakes - Art Martin - 5/13/2004 5:21:32 PM
      - Motivation - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 7:43:08 PM
        
        re: Motivation - Art Martin - 5/13/2004 9:06:39 PM
        
        Another example - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 6:39:31 AM
        
        More from the same article - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 6:44:27 PM
        
        This isn't sinking in is it. lol - Art Martin - 5/14/2004 4:54:52 PM
        
        Apparently not. - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 6:17:17 PM
    - If we planned things so well... - Donald - 5/13/2004 3:34:39 AM
      - Goddammit, Donald, what war in our history was NOT a friggin' mess? - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 4:41:31 AM
        
        Gee...I thought "majority hostilities" were over a year ago - Donald - 5/13/2004 12:42:01 PM
        
        Major hostilities - Pete Stanley - 5/14/2004 5:28:40 AM
      - re: If we planned things so well... - gbaikie - 5/13/2004 4:34:40 AM
      - Tom has become an anomalist, in a right-wing world where reality meets the door. - Bowser - 5/13/2004 4:13:44 AM
        
        Infrastructure - Pete STanely - 5/14/2004 6:46:50 AM
        
        re: Tom has become an anomalist, in a right-wing world where reality meets the door. - gbaikie - 5/13/2004 5:18:42 AM
        
        Reality and the door - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 4:48:35 AM

Libya renounces arms trade with WMD states - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 6:32:36 PM

Gee whiz!! Pat Buchanan even sticks the landing! - Bowser - 5/14/2004 12:36:55 PM
- Pat Buchanan - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 5:53:43 PM
  - Some things I can agree with - Tony - 5/14/2004 6:24:24 PM
  - I'm not sure I agree with every detail in his piece - alcaray - 5/14/2004 6:05:48 PM
- Bring the troops back, bring the jobs back, and curl up into a ball. - RobVG - 5/14/2004 5:03:48 PM
- re: Gee whiz!! Pat Buchanan even sticks the landing! - Art Martin - 5/14/2004 4:14:24 PM
- Was that really THE Pat Buchanan?? (n/t) - LJ - 5/14/2004 3:44:52 PM
- Pretty smart analysis - alcaray - 5/14/2004 3:43:48 PM

Belmont Club: "Reductio Ad Absurdum" - Tom Brosz - 5/12/2004 5:25:52 PM
- Wretchard is brilliant - Gary - 5/13/2004 6:28:08 AM
- Missing a certain little something, perhaps? (n/t) - Tony - 5/12/2004 6:24:18 PM
  - Aw, crap. - Tom Brosz - 5/12/2004 9:07:27 PM
    - Not equatable - Tony - 5/13/2004 1:46:37 PM
    - re: This is a fact? - Mary Anne - 5/13/2004 12:12:20 AM
      - re: This is a fact? - Pete Stanley - 5/13/2004 6:01:40 AM
        
        Convinced by what evidence? (n/t) - alcaray - 5/13/2004 10:47:32 PM
        
        re: Convinced by what evidence? - Pete Stanley - 5/14/2004 7:34:22 AM
        
        That's not evidence. It is a refutation of evidence to the contrary. - alcaray - 5/14/2004 5:37:12 PM
      - This is a fact - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 4:23:16 AM
        
        re: This is a fact - Mary Anne - 5/13/2004 6:52:34 PM
        
        re: This is a fact - Pete Stanley - 5/14/2004 5:12:54 AM
        
        Syria and Iran - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 7:19:28 AM
      - re: This is a fact? - gbaikie - 5/13/2004 1:07:36 AM

Even after 9/11, the focus of the administration was Iraq, not terror? - alcaray - 5/12/2004 9:25:07 PM
- Would be interested in seeing more on this myself. - Tom Brosz - 5/12/2004 11:21:02 PM
  - re: Would be interested in seeing more on this myself. - alcaray - 5/12/2004 11:29:20 PM
    - If? - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 5:04:53 AM
      - I meant current tense, Tom. Hey mission accomplished, big guy! - alcaray - 5/13/2004 3:40:50 PM
        
        re: current tense - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 9:21:10 PM
        
        Sure. Sure. Wait a minute: what did Kerry have to do with the ricin factory, again? (n/t) - alcaray - 5/13/2004 10:43:58 PM
        
        re: Sure. - Tom Brosz - 5/14/2004 1:21:34 AM
        
        re: Sure. - gbaikie - 5/14/2004 11:28:30 AM
        
        re: Sure. - Art Martin - 5/14/2004 5:15:17 PM
        
        re: Sure. - gbaikie - 5/14/2004 5:32:22 PM

Lucky Lynndie - Perspective - 5/13/2004 3:05:08 PM
- A case of what? - Lindy - 5/14/2004 3:13:21 AM
  - What exacely is your point? - Perspective - 5/14/2004 3:40:51 PM
    - re: What exacely is your point? - Lindy - 5/14/2004 5:24:44 PM

A model Major General in action. - Bowser - 5/14/2004 4:56:10 PM

775 - Donald - 5/13/2004 1:13:07 PM
- Again you lie, you spambot punk (n/t) - ebnelson - 5/14/2004 2:46:18 AM
  - Hey Nelson - SDG - 5/14/2004 3:33:13 PM
    - Nicely put (n/t) - Tony - 5/14/2004 4:11:19 PM
- Meanwhile: All-knowing administration should try listening to critics - Donald - 5/13/2004 1:31:54 PM
  - Nice rant. - RobVG - 5/13/2004 2:32:50 PM
  - re: listening to critics - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 2:31:44 PM
    - re: listening to critics - Art Martin - 5/13/2004 6:43:29 PM
    - Heh, heh. Surely you're joking, Mr. Brosz. And guess who was EXACTLY WRONG. - Bowser - 5/13/2004 5:30:41 PM
    - Moral authority - Donald - 5/13/2004 2:51:17 PM
      - Are you kidding me? - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 3:38:07 PM
  - Lessons not learned. - Bowser - 5/13/2004 2:20:49 PM
    - They died for no cause - Donald - 5/13/2004 2:38:11 PM
      - Okay, now you've really stripped a gear - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 3:44:08 PM
        
        Both - and. Re-election AND Halliburton. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/13/2004 5:03:57 PM
        
        re: Sorry, but it does make sense - Raoul - 5/13/2004 4:24:55 PM
      - Now I think I see why you're so afraid of any sign of success in Iraq. (n/t) - RobVG - 5/13/2004 2:45:11 PM
        
        Success in Iraq?? - Lindy - 5/14/2004 3:21:37 AM
        
        Bedfellows (n/t) - RobVG - 5/14/2004 2:34:54 PM

For success in Iraq - Donald - 5/14/2004 1:41:33 PM
- The title of the piece had promise but turns out to be Rant Dressing (n/t) - RobVG - 5/14/2004 2:48:05 PM

5 Brits freed after 2 years in Gitmo - no charges. And Colin Powell! - Bowser - 5/14/2004 12:51:19 PM

There has been no violation of the Fallujah cease fire in a week. - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 5:51:47 AM
- re: There has been no violation of the Fallujah cease fire in a week. - Buck Galaxy - 5/13/2004 3:37:43 PM
- What does that mean? - Bowser - 5/13/2004 2:30:26 PM
  - re: What does that mean? - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 4:04:50 PM
    - Be honest - they replaced one Iraqi general with, guess, another Iraqi general. - Bowser - 5/13/2004 5:47:12 PM
      - I'm getting tired of this. - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 7:31:27 PM
        
        Whatcha got? (Hint - he wasn't killed, he was exiled.) - Bowser - 5/13/2004 8:51:00 PM
        
        He is the very model of a modern Major General - FrankC - 5/14/2004 3:48:07 AM
        
        Too old and tired to picket outdoors - FrankC - 5/13/2004 7:56:16 PM
- It's gotta be a false calm - Gary - 5/13/2004 6:23:40 AM
  - Afraid you're probably right. - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2004 4:10:08 PM

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