Clinton was the most Republican Democrat to have been in the White House since Woodrow Wilson.

Mary Anne — 4/30/2006 4:18:45 PM (archived)

Republicans were progressives back then.

Clinton made the Republicans furious because he took welfare reform away from them and balanced the budget to boot. His big liberal initiative, reform of health care, fell on its face, but I personally think that the presentation was to blame for that.

His big mistake was to violate the adultery commandment, to sin the Democratic way. If he had ignored the Golden Rule, to sin the Republican way, he would have made a less attractive target. The "bearing false witness" commandment is pretty much a wash, with both parties taking bows.

The last big name with both big power and big influence in elected government that liberals will recognize as their own was Tip O'Neill. We've had liberals with big power and liberals with big influence, but not at the same time. Ted Kennedy is a workhorse, and a symbol, but he has had very little real power outside of those who agree with him except as a lightning rod for many years.

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A nature sighting from the California Government Commie Preserve - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2006 3:31:42 AM
- Okay, fine. - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2006 7:01:04 PM
  - Seems like a pompous, narcissistic, communist ideolog to me. - alcaray - 4/28/2006 7:10:57 PM
    - Communism is a WONDERFUL system... - R.L. - 4/29/2006 7:44:31 AM
    - re: Seems like a pompous, narcissistic, communist ideolog to me. - Robert - 4/28/2006 8:23:41 PM
      - re: Seems like a pompous, narcissistic, communist ideolog to me. - gbaikie - 4/29/2006 12:22:14 AM
- A nature sighting from the RNC McCarthyite Preserve - Robert - 4/27/2006 4:16:47 AM
  - Gawd, it's getting hot in here..... - Lindy - 4/27/2006 10:29:50 PM
  - The point, which continously escapes people here... - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2006 6:17:31 AM
    - The points which escape you... - Robert - 4/27/2006 4:24:34 PM
      - "Soft" Marxism. - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2006 5:49:06 PM
        
        That pic was from Sweden, right? (n/t) - alcaray - 4/27/2006 6:14:17 PM
        
        Sweden isn't Marxist, and you know it. - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2006 9:49:47 PM
        
        re: I don't - Raoul - 4/28/2006 5:51:17 AM
        
        You're being obtuse, and you know it. - Robert - 4/28/2006 5:30:44 AM
        
        re: obtuse - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2006 6:46:06 AM
        
        obtuse deflection - Robert - 4/28/2006 5:10:48 PM
        
        Give me a break... - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2006 6:41:38 PM
        
        Clinton was the most Republican Democrat to have been in the White House since Woodrow Wilson. - Mary Anne - 4/30/2006 4:18:45 PM
        
        re: Clinton - Tom Brosz - 4/30/2006 7:39:18 PM
        
        Ahh, the Clinton-did-not-lead-welfare-reform meme - alcaray - 5/1/2006 5:25:47 PM
        
        re: Ahh, the Clinton-did-not-lead-welfare-reform meme - Tom Brosz - 5/2/2006 6:11:07 AM
        
        Well, the activist Bill Clinton... - alcaray - 5/2/2006 4:13:55 PM
        
        "impending theocratic dictatorship"? - Robert - 4/28/2006 8:08:13 PM
        
        All right then. - Tom Brosz - 4/28/2006 11:36:02 PM
        
        re: All right then. - Robert - 4/29/2006 1:46:18 AM
        
        While we're waiting for Tom to regain angular momentum... - Robert - 4/29/2006 5:07:21 PM
        
        Uncomfortable truths, aren't they Tom? (n/t) - Robert - 5/1/2006 4:27:48 PM
        
        Keep laughing. - Tom Brosz - 5/2/2006 6:41:08 AM
        
        Bin Laden and the Saudis - Lindy - 5/3/2006 4:32:10 PM
        
        Thanks, I needed that - Robert - 5/2/2006 3:53:21 PM
        
        Just to freak Tom out... - Laurie Street - 4/28/2006 6:01:51 PM
        
        and don't get him started on the "code-word" progressive (n/t) - alcaray - 4/28/2006 5:34:56 PM
        
        Noooo, you never conflate marxism and socialism........ - Tony - 4/28/2006 2:29:45 PM
        
        And brave libertarian Tom is silent... - R.L. - 4/29/2006 1:16:36 PM
        
        re: And brave libertarian Tom is silent... - gbaikie - 4/29/2006 10:00:28 PM
        
        Socialists believe that government should provide a certain basic level of support for individuals... - Mary Anne - 4/30/2006 6:14:58 PM
        
        I just realized something... - Tom Brosz - 5/2/2006 6:12:35 AM
        
        re: Socialists believe that government should provide a certain basic level of support for individuals... - gbaikie - 5/1/2006 1:25:42 AM
        
        Oh, and would it be too much trouble for you to spell my name correctly? - Mary Anne - 5/1/2006 3:11:18 AM
        
        re: Oh, and would it be too much trouble for you to spell my name correctly? - gbaikie - 5/1/2006 4:34:26 AM
        
        Thanks. - Mary Anne - 5/2/2006 2:37:31 AM
        
        First: you didn't ask about taxes. - Mary Anne - 5/1/2006 3:07:41 AM
        
        re: First: you didn't ask about taxes. - gbaikie - 5/1/2006 6:02:11 AM
        
        Could you please keep your question the same if you are going to accuse me of not answering it? - Mary Anne - 5/2/2006 2:25:20 AM
        
        re: Could you please keep your question the same if you are going to accuse me of not answering it? - gbaikie - 5/3/2006 4:00:14 AM
        
        You asked about substance. I gave it to you. - Mary Anne - 5/3/2006 1:49:40 PM
        
        Hoo boy, that LNSG - Robert - 5/3/2006 1:12:50 AM
        
        Correction - Mary Anne - 4/30/2006 6:36:08 PM
        
        You never have positively contributed to any discussion - R.L. - 4/29/2006 11:46:13 PM
        
        re: You never have positively contributed to any discussion - gbaikie - 4/30/2006 12:07:18 AM
        
        Laugh it up. - Tom Brosz - 4/29/2006 8:55:17 PM
        
        Gee... that was off topic - R.L. - 4/29/2006 11:52:51 PM
        
        Really? - Tom Brosz - 4/30/2006 2:01:58 AM
        
        Why do you assume people are so easily brainwashed? - R.L. - 4/30/2006 2:30:37 AM
        
        Excellent question. - Tom Brosz - 4/30/2006 4:52:54 AM
        
        How old is the student? - Mary Anne - 4/30/2006 3:16:18 PM
        
        re: How old is the student? - Tom Brosz - 4/30/2006 7:46:05 PM
        
        Again: How old is the student? - Mary Anne - 4/30/2006 8:12:40 PM
        
        Tom.... - R.L. - 4/30/2006 11:51:57 AM
        
        The thread in question - Tom Brosz - 4/30/2006 2:04:48 AM
        
        Ooo! Ooo! And we come full circle! - Mary Anne - 4/30/2006 3:54:18 PM
        
        re: full circle - Tom Brosz - 4/30/2006 8:11:33 PM
        
        Nothing cute about it. - Mary Anne - 4/30/2006 8:26:19 PM
        
        re: Nothing cute about it. - Tom Brosz - 5/1/2006 7:23:38 AM
        
        How many "typical academics" do you actually know? - Mary Anne - 5/2/2006 1:48:14 PM
        
        re: Nothing cute about it. - gbaikie - 5/1/2006 9:30:19 AM
        
        OUCH (n/t) - R.L. - 4/28/2006 5:01:57 PM
        
        Could have sworn that you have ranted that Sweden was Marxist. - alcaray - 4/27/2006 10:22:48 PM
        
        I already listed some. Go back and look. - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2006 11:19:28 PM
        
        and the subject line goes "pop!" - Robert - 4/27/2006 7:18:56 PM
    - Kill off 350k Americans (plus or minus) and try to take over the world and it leaves a bad taste in our mouths - alcaray - 4/27/2006 3:28:34 PM
    - Now that I think about it... - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2006 6:19:05 AM
      - Ouch! Stop with the biting! (n/t) - Robert - 4/27/2006 4:29:30 PM

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