Free speech

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Free speech

SDAI-Tech1 — 7/12/2006 10:09:13 PM (archived)

Free speech isn't really free when it harms others. Burning someone's flag has historically been done by folks who wish to kill those people. Seeing Americans burn a flag triggers the same memories and associations. Besides that - it creates very harmful smoke pollution.

I see no need for an amendment banning flag burning, however I fully support local laws charging folks who do burn a flag or anything else with a $1500 littering/pollution violation. After all, the same folks who burn flags see nothing wrong with the government charging $1000 for throwing a cup out of a window alongside a highway or restricting public smoking with a hefty fine. Such freedom of expression that others are forced to endure should come with a price tag.

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Another liberal with flag allergies... - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2006 6:53:13 PM
- re:Flags are ok for sport events...but - Raoul - 7/13/2006 5:45:20 AM
  - There is nothing wrong with having pride in your country. - REB - 7/13/2006 1:35:33 PM
    - You teach history? (n/t) - alcaray - 7/13/2006 9:34:11 PM
    - Or - REB - 7/13/2006 1:48:53 PM
      - re: A huge difference - Raoul - 7/15/2006 10:14:08 PM
        
        No difference. - REB - 7/18/2006 3:18:50 PM
        
        re: Ridiculous!!!! - Raoul - 7/19/2006 5:34:04 AM
        
        There is no difference Raoul. - REB - 7/19/2006 12:30:28 PM
        
        re: Yes there is! - Raoul - 7/19/2006 4:41:51 PM
        
        You have not shown a differnce. - REB - 7/20/2006 12:33:49 PM
        
        re: You cannot punish a country after it has accepted no to be a threat again - Raoul - 7/20/2006 4:41:28 PM
        
        And Saddam was forced into his post Gulf War position. He didn't do it on his own free will. - REB - 7/20/2006 6:06:33 PM
        
        Saddam was still a threat. - REB - 7/20/2006 5:24:12 PM
        
        re: Saddam was no threat anymore to countries next to Iraq - Raoul - 7/20/2006 6:14:43 PM
        
        Do you really believe your rhetoric? - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/20/2006 2:59:18 AM
        
        re: Gulf war one had ended - Raoul - 7/20/2006 5:46:22 AM
        
        Had it? Saddam's army still shot at American planes. - REB - 7/20/2006 3:17:36 PM
        
        re: Above Iraq, yes - Raoul - 7/21/2006 7:18:43 AM
        
        A M E R I C A ... Heck Yeah! - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/18/2006 10:55:27 AM
- Americans are weird about their flag, in general. - alcaray - 7/12/2006 8:36:11 PM
  - For some, the flag represents America and what she stands for. - REB - 7/12/2006 8:40:27 PM
    - I think that's true of all countries and their national emblems - alcaray - 7/12/2006 10:22:03 PM
    - Precisely. That's why using it as litmus paper is so despicable. (n/t) - ER - 7/12/2006 8:44:35 PM
      - You must be a RightWinger if... - Robert - 7/12/2006 9:53:02 PM
        
        Free speech - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/12/2006 10:09:13 PM
        
        re: Free speech - Robert - 7/12/2006 10:56:30 PM
        
        killing people is (rightfully) against the law (n/t) - alcaray - 7/12/2006 10:14:01 PM
        
        Define rightfully. - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/12/2006 10:28:21 PM
        
        In this context "ightfully"meant that I was in agreement that there should be laws against killing people. - alcaray - 7/12/2006 10:50:10 PM
        
        lost my "r" and some spaces (n/t) - alcaray - 7/12/2006 10:50:53 PM
- I have no problems with the flag. - ER - 7/12/2006 8:14:39 PM
  - The flag is just a piece of cloth................ - Publius - 7/12/2006 11:50:56 PM
    - re: The flag is just a piece of cloth................ - REB - 7/13/2006 3:51:57 PM
      - Seeing the American flag flying in Bagdad................ - Lindy - 7/15/2006 10:02:43 PM
      - Er, REB---did you read the post? or just the headline? (n/t) - Publius - 7/14/2006 4:46:26 PM
        
        I got it too. - ER - 7/14/2006 5:34:14 PM
        
        I got it. - REB - 7/14/2006 4:56:56 PM
      - When you lose the capacity for outrage, you are no longer human. - ER - 7/13/2006 5:19:09 PM
    - re: The flag is just a piece of cloth................ - ER - 7/13/2006 12:50:53 AM
- commercial exploitation of the flag - Robert - 7/12/2006 7:44:37 PM
  - Nice try. - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2006 10:38:47 PM
    - Incidentally, I see that a lot of people missed the point. - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2006 10:50:46 PM
      - How about the "A man's home is his castle" point? - Mary Anne - 7/14/2006 3:53:21 PM
        
        Go back and read the original post again, and what quotes I thought were important. - Tom Brosz - 7/16/2006 7:45:17 AM
        
        It's all about elitism, Tom. - Mary Anne - 7/16/2006 3:24:26 PM
        
        You're right. The title was bad. - Tom Brosz - 7/17/2006 4:58:33 AM
      - Well, you know. As long as the snide condescension is saved for those who don't fly flags we should be allright. - alcaray - 7/12/2006 11:00:45 PM
        
        "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - Robert - 7/13/2006 12:02:20 AM
        
        I just realized I'm trying to explain "wet" to fish. - Tom Brosz - 7/13/2006 5:40:49 AM
        
        What matters to me is what I believe. Not what you dredge up in some trivial opinion piece. - alcaray - 7/13/2006 3:21:40 PM
  - It really DOES matter where you live. - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/12/2006 9:48:03 PM
    - Woah! Just noticed this: - alcaray - 7/17/2006 10:15:31 PM
      - Things have likely changed since I left... - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/21/2006 2:49:59 AM
    - re: It really DOES matter where you live. - Robert - 7/12/2006 10:16:46 PM
      - re: It really DOES matter where you live. - Publius - 7/13/2006 12:01:20 AM
      - Tolerance. - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/12/2006 10:57:49 PM
      - Tolerance. - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/12/2006 10:57:47 PM
      - Proof of your "urban vs. non-urban" point - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2006 10:56:17 PM
        
        re: Proof of your "urban vs. non-urban" point - Robert - 7/12/2006 11:58:31 PM
        
        re: Proof .......cows and sheep vote red (n/t) - Publius - 7/13/2006 3:17:45 PM
        
        re: Proof of your "urban vs. non-urban" point - Tom Brosz - 7/13/2006 12:20:41 AM
        
        "How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm..." - Robert - 7/13/2006 5:33:14 PM
        
        re: "How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm..." - Tom Brosz - 7/14/2006 1:31:44 AM
        
        Do Republicans hate freedom? - Robert - 7/14/2006 4:02:01 PM
        
        P.S. "economic understandings." - Tom Brosz - 7/15/2006 6:01:48 PM
        
        Lakoff? That explains a lot. - Tom Brosz - 7/15/2006 5:35:40 PM
        
        Orwell would be proud - Robert - 7/15/2006 7:31:49 PM
        
        I haven't read the book. - Tom Brosz - 7/16/2006 12:52:03 AM
        
        re: I haven't read the book. - Robert - 7/16/2006 6:02:41 AM
        
        re: I haven't read the book. - Tom Brosz - 7/16/2006 7:38:59 AM
        
        Maybe this is what's going on here - alcaray - 7/18/2006 5:20:01 PM
        
        re: I haven't read the book. - Robert - 7/16/2006 5:46:20 PM
        
        Do the numbers. - Tom Brosz - 7/16/2006 10:31:09 PM
        
        Burning another straw man - Robert - 7/17/2006 4:56:56 PM
        
        Not yet. - Tom Brosz - 7/17/2006 6:32:42 PM
        
        Typo - Tom Brosz - 7/16/2006 10:32:27 PM
        
        P.S. - Tom Brosz - 7/16/2006 7:48:57 AM
        
        Now that's just plain silly - Robert - 7/16/2006 6:10:48 PM
        
        Carville & Begala - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/16/2006 9:52:48 PM
        
        Uh...do the numbers. - Tom Brosz - 7/16/2006 10:37:41 PM
        
        Yes. It's a well oiled machine. - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/16/2006 11:27:29 PM
        
        re: Now that's just plain silly - Tom Brosz - 7/16/2006 9:45:46 PM
        
        re: Now that's just plain silly - Robert - 7/17/2006 5:45:38 PM
        
        Impressive. - Tom Brosz - 7/17/2006 6:48:31 PM
        
        Has your dad disowned you yet? - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/15/2006 9:10:12 PM
        
        re: Has your dad disowned you yet? - Robert - 7/16/2006 5:25:20 AM
        
        Lakoff - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/16/2006 11:07:40 PM
        
        On small town values - dtb - 7/13/2006 1:39:40 AM
        
        Show me the property values. - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/13/2006 9:05:29 PM
        
        Mythical Smallville - Robert - 7/13/2006 5:15:33 PM

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