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Key provision of "Patriot Act" ruled unconstitutional - Fox - 9/29/2004 10:03:52 PM
- Actually, it wasn't part of the Patriot Act... - Larry J - 9/30/2004 5:28:51 PM
- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither." - Bowser - 9/30/2004 4:17:32 AM
- re: You need proof to convict or what's intelligence for? - Marcia - 9/30/2004 3:55:25 AM
  - Lynch mob mentality. The new McCarthyism. (That's what's to be afraid of!!) - Bowser - 9/30/2004 4:19:24 AM
- Terrorists all over America are very appreciative of this one judge - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 11:57:43 PM
  - re: Civil libertarians all over America are very appreciative of this one judge - Mary Anne - 9/30/2004 12:11:53 AM
    - I tend to agree with you. - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 3:32:59 AM
    - I tend to agree with you. - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 3:32:57 AM
      - twitchy mouse finger! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 3:33:41 AM
    - re: Civil libertarians all over America are very appreciative of this one judge - Art Martin - 9/30/2004 2:27:49 AM
    - If so, they are gravely mistaken, I believe. - ebnelson - 9/30/2004 12:28:01 AM

Pakistan's Musharraf - War against Iraq "made it worse for America". - Bowser - 9/30/2004 3:41:44 PM
- The Quote Belongs To Brokow (n/t) - The Objective Press Strikes Again - 9/30/2004 5:04:13 PM

Quagmire Update - Donald - 9/30/2004 1:48:33 PM
- Go Herr Goebells! (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/30/2004 2:36:51 PM
- More shame for the US. Our bomb boys target Amel neighborhood of Baghdad. 37 dead; of those killed 34 were children. (n/t) - Jack Herer - 9/30/2004 2:05:17 PM
  - Looks like the terrorists are your boys then, since terrorists did the bombing. - ebnelson - 9/30/2004 2:35:36 PM
    - your correct Ed, Sorry. (n/t) - Jack Herer - 9/30/2004 2:48:42 PM
      - When the US does that, it's called "collateral damage". - Bowser - 9/30/2004 3:03:11 PM
        
        They Intended It (n/t) - You Dumbass - 9/30/2004 5:01:01 PM
        
        Like with the Chechens, huh? - ebnelson - 9/30/2004 3:33:28 PM
- re: If it goes for decades I'll call it a quagmire. - Scott Evil - 9/30/2004 1:50:39 PM

If even half of this is true, W Bush will loose - E.P. Grondine - 9/29/2004 10:17:02 PM
- More Orwellian word twists - p - 9/30/2004 2:30:49 PM

What's up in Iran? - gbaikie - 9/30/2004 10:08:01 AM
- re: Lets hope that a more peaceful Iran emerges. - Scott Evil - 9/30/2004 1:13:53 PM
- Maybe the second domino? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/30/2004 12:54:29 PM

News out of Iraq - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 3:48:21 AM
- To paraphrase: "Bodies don't lie." (n/t) - Bowser - 9/30/2004 4:06:59 AM
  - Your pals, the Palestinians, have been caught holding phony funerals. So maybe 'bodies don't lie, but people with bodies do'? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/30/2004 12:50:49 PM
  - Live Bodies With No Blood Pulled From Rubble? (n/t) - Couldn't Possibly Be Staged? - 9/30/2004 11:41:27 AM

Democrats and the draft - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 5:13:50 PM
- re: Whats the plan for drafting the 100,000 Senior Citizens? Will there be a lottery? - Scott Evil - 9/29/2004 7:09:58 PM
  - re: re:We should pool our money and buy you more straw... - Chris Vancil - 9/29/2004 8:48:04 PM
- Missing? Like this? - Tony - 9/29/2004 6:57:49 PM
  - Not quite the same page, though, is it? - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 7:55:03 PM
    - Oh, that's all it's about? - Tony - 9/29/2004 8:07:13 PM
      - Sure. The sentence doesn't mean what it says. Pretty much par for the course for Kerry. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 10:42:18 PM
        
        Have it your way. I'm getting tired of teaching you guys how to read. - tony - 9/30/2004 5:59:21 AM
  - re: He's gonna force High School students to work for $2,000/year? - Scott Evil - 9/29/2004 7:02:22 PM
- When one lies as much as Kerry, it is hard to keep one's story straight. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 6:38:44 PM
- Boobs and the draft - LJ - 9/29/2004 5:34:31 PM
  - You got my attention with "boobs" - REB - 9/30/2004 12:17:52 PM
  - Maybe I misread the word "mandatory." Does it still mean what it used to? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 5:54:55 PM
    - re: Maybe I misread the word "draft." Does it still mean what it used to? - LJ - 9/29/2004 6:26:02 PM
      - The 13th Amendment prohibits involuntary servitude - Larry J - 9/29/2004 8:10:31 PM
        
        Then why wasn't it successfully used against the draft in any war since? (n/t) - Fox - 9/29/2004 10:58:54 PM
        
        Good question. - Larry J - 9/30/2004 12:22:00 AM
        
        Tell that to my rich uncle. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/29/2004 10:54:22 PM
        
        re: The 13th Amendment prohibits involuntary servitude - LJ - 9/29/2004 8:44:27 PM
        
        So, are you saying that a public school education is not different than forced labor? - Larry J - 9/30/2004 12:13:40 AM
        
        re: So, are you saying that a public school education is not different than forced labor? - gbaikie - 9/30/2004 12:53:32 AM
      - re: So Kerry is for a draft. Forcing High School students to do what Kerry wants is a draft. - Scott Evil - 9/29/2004 6:59:20 PM
      - Mandatory government service is mandatory government service. - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 6:35:52 PM
- Let's get serious about the draft. - Bowser - 9/29/2004 5:19:45 PM
  - re: The secrets out. The Democrats, Led by Kerry think Iraq is Vietnam. - Scott Evil - 9/29/2004 6:56:10 PM
    - Iraq is worse than Vietnam. Much worse. - Bowser - 9/29/2004 8:51:37 PM
      - "There was a way out of Vietnam without consequences for the entire area for generations." Cripes. - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 10:44:01 PM
        
        It's easy for some to confuse the personal tragedies and global issues. - Bowser - 9/30/2004 12:32:01 AM
        
        It's easy for some to confuse the personal tragedies and global issues. - Bowser - 9/30/2004 12:31:59 AM
        
        Global issues? - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 12:51:27 AM
        
        See. You don't care about the average Iraqi, do you? - Bowser - 9/30/2004 1:49:11 AM

â€œI do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gasâ€¦ I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.â€3 - Bowser - 9/29/2004 9:06:39 PM
- So this makes it okay that Saddam killed thousands with WMD gas? - REB - 9/30/2004 12:16:47 PM
- re: â€œI do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gasâ€¦ I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.â€3 - gbaikie - 9/29/2004 10:35:37 PM
- Well, that settles it. I'm not voting for Churchill in November. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 9:52:36 PM
- So evryone in Europe should go back to using poison gas? - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 9:41:44 PM
- re: Hope it turns out better this time? (n/t) - Scott Evil - 9/29/2004 9:32:09 PM

Fox News beats all rivals - gbaikie - 9/29/2004 9:21:01 AM
- re: Faux News - Raoul - 9/29/2004 10:24:24 AM
  - news agency with an agenda - McFly - 9/29/2004 1:38:13 PM
    - CBC - LJ - 9/29/2004 4:46:04 PM
      - re: CBC - McFly - 9/29/2004 9:29:26 PM
    - re: Public service - Raoul - 9/29/2004 4:12:36 PM
    - CBS, with their current lie about the draft, is pretty big on agneda driven news too, it seems. - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 1:49:53 PM
  - re: Faux News - McFly - 9/29/2004 1:30:02 PM
    - re: Faux News - Raoul - 9/29/2004 5:55:02 PM
      - And state owned and/or oligarchy news is gerat? - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 6:37:48 PM
        
        You may have missed it...It is called freedom. - McFly - 9/29/2004 9:42:24 PM
        
        re: Freedom of expression - Raoul - 9/30/2004 8:44:55 AM
        
        I have grave doubts about this new EU - ebnelson - 9/30/2004 12:06:07 AM
    - re: Faux News - gbaikie - 9/29/2004 5:33:47 PM
    - I listen much more to NPR than any other news source. - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 2:00:48 PM
  - Yes, the comfort of oligarchy and state controlled news. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 11:36:49 AM

Iraqi schools turn away from secular teachings. - Marcia - 9/30/2004 4:37:15 AM

Top Ten Reasons for the US to Get Out of Iraq - Chris Vancil - 9/28/2004 7:14:37 AM
- Most em are reasons for not getting into Iraq in the first place. - Tony - 9/28/2004 5:28:24 PM
- I stopped counting factual errors after item four. - Tom Brosz - 9/28/2004 4:33:05 PM
  - Vietnam was a victory for the left? - Art Martin - 9/28/2004 11:57:57 PM
    - I watched it happen. Did you? - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 1:50:20 AM
      - Seeing the world through elephant-colored glasses - Art Martin - 9/30/2004 2:56:09 AM
    - So claimed the left at the time. The VC certainly appreciated the left's support and aid. - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 1:15:05 AM
  - And what were those errors? - Bowser - 9/28/2004 5:34:38 PM
- re: Will John Kerry pull the US out of Iraq? - Scott Evil - 9/28/2004 1:17:07 PM
  - re: Will John Kerry pull the US out of Iraq? - Art Martin - 9/29/2004 12:03:37 AM
  - Can he do that from the Senate? (n/t) - McFly - 9/28/2004 9:03:34 PM
  - He is flip-flopping so fast it is like a grotesque tap dance. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/28/2004 3:09:50 PM
    - re: I can't believe that Kerry couldn't come up with a plan to win in Iraq that is even slightly different than what Bush is already doing... - Scott Evil - 9/28/2004 3:19:21 PM
- Whatever, Chris. Try to read some history, learn how to read critically, try not to be a patsy. Anything on along those lines will help you immensely. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/28/2004 12:48:17 PM
  - re: Thanks Ed, I needed a good laugh! (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/28/2004 9:13:19 PM
  - How about countering with the "Top Ten Reasons We Should Stay In Iraq?". (n/t) - Jack Herer - 9/28/2004 12:56:40 PM
    - There a lot more than ten. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/28/2004 2:55:00 PM
      - re: Then ten should be easy...care to list them. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/28/2004 10:29:35 PM
- Sure glad we have an adult in White house (n/t) - gbaikie - 9/28/2004 8:01:57 AM
  - re: I'm saddened that you think we do despite the vast amount of evidence to the contrary. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/28/2004 8:39:46 AM
    - Like I care (n/t) - gbaikie - 9/28/2004 8:42:50 AM
      - re:I think that is exactly what it boils down to non of you do cae. And will say or do about anything to win. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/28/2004 9:15:47 PM
        
        Sad, indeed (n/t) - gbaikie - 9/29/2004 2:47:31 AM

History course I'm taking. - Art Martin - 9/28/2004 12:07:05 AM
- Sounds a lot like rewritten history to me. - Lee - 9/28/2004 1:29:09 AM
- re: History course - Tom Brosz - 9/28/2004 1:27:05 AM
  - Just was pointing out the balance from before. - Art Martin - 9/28/2004 2:26:11 AM
    - Maybe You Just Went To A Crappy School - Mark Eby - 9/30/2004 2:52:00 AM

Growing pessimism about Iraq - David F Mayer - 9/29/2004 4:01:45 PM
- The meida is trying to fabricate a 'Tet Offensive' declaration - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 6:43:42 PM
- Ex-president Jimmy Carter: Get out of Iraq as soon as possible. - Jack Herer - 9/29/2004 4:30:33 PM
  - Jimmy Carter: Get out of Iran as soon as possible. - Mark Eby - 9/30/2004 2:24:37 AM
  - 'Jimmy Carter' and 'gutsy' is an oxymoron. - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 6:40:45 PM
  - and when did Jimmuh Malaise Carter ever get anything right? (n/t) - FrankC - 9/29/2004 5:12:18 PM
    - re: Especially on the subject of foreign affairs. (n/t) - Scott Evil - 9/29/2004 7:03:48 PM
- Some analysis on a recent study - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 4:18:25 PM
  - Thanks for the counterpoint. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 9/29/2004 7:00:07 PM
  - Every damned escalation is called a "desperate last-ditch attempt to - - - " - Bowser - 9/29/2004 4:51:47 PM
    - It remains to be seen if the current level of attacks can be maintained after January, or even after November. - David F Mayer - 9/29/2004 10:33:55 PM
    - Ah. The "Minutemen" thesis again. - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 5:01:35 PM
      - The Norwegians have a name for the Iraqis who are being attacked. - Bowser - 9/29/2004 5:14:09 PM
        
        Just What Do The Whale Killers Call Them? - Mark Eby - 9/30/2004 2:23:21 AM
- re: Iraqi Stability will take time - Scott Evil - 9/29/2004 4:10:17 PM

Economic growth in second quarter revised up to 3.3 percent from 2.8. - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 11:49:48 PM
- Do you rememebr 'The Nightmare Before Christmas'? - ebnelson - 9/30/2004 12:02:07 AM
  - The media is spinning this as "terrible news" as well. - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 12:29:26 AM
    - Well it is terrible news...for them and their chosen agenda. - ebnelson - 9/30/2004 2:11:58 AM

Where Did All the Jobs Go? Nowhere - gbaikie - 9/30/2004 2:11:34 AM

Attacks - gbaikie - 9/30/2004 12:33:38 AM
- re: Attacks - Bowser - 9/30/2004 12:37:10 AM
  - re: Attacks - gbaikie - 9/30/2004 1:31:05 AM

Another election, with another leader protected not by his own. - Bowser - 9/30/2004 1:26:36 AM

France: Muslims gang raping women & girls - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/29/2004 5:06:07 PM
- Who is letting these people into Europe? - Lee - 9/30/2004 1:00:04 AM

Interesting report about Iran - ebnelson - 9/30/2004 12:23:38 AM
- Maybe. I hope so, but I've heard stuff like this before. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 12:56:35 AM

Cole plotters sentenced to death in Yemen - David F Mayer - 9/29/2004 2:12:25 PM
- re: Doesn't that judge know that such a move might incite more terrorism? - Scott Evil - 9/29/2004 2:17:25 PM
  - Big difference between executing the guilty and slaughtering the innocent. - Bowser - 9/29/2004 10:43:34 PM

Absentee deadline for military is 10/11. - alcaray - 9/29/2004 10:09:52 PM

Why We Must Not Elect President Bush - Chris Vancil - 9/29/2004 7:45:32 AM
- I love Soros's lie about the stifling of all dissent. yeah, America has no dissent. - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 11:40:00 AM
  - re: Thanks Ed, for that laser beam insight. It's not about Bush being unfit for office it's about Soros being a billionaire... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/29/2004 8:58:56 PM

CIA pessimistic about Iraq - Chris Vancil - 9/29/2004 8:00:54 AM
- The Iraq war is a complete disaster. Our commander should step down. (n/t) - Jack Herer - 9/29/2004 12:33:51 PM
  - re: Do you thinkhe should hand it over to a President who thinks it is an unjust war fought for all the wrong reasons? - Scott Evil - 9/29/2004 6:53:11 PM
    - re: Yes, becusae Bush is living in Dreamland Bushville (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/29/2004 8:40:06 PM
  - Why no it is not, it is in fact going well, and he should get re-elected. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 2:01:53 PM
    - eb and the blogs say it's going well. For whom? - Bowser - 9/29/2004 4:05:01 PM
      - For the Iraqis, the Americans, and people who love peace. - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 6:42:14 PM

Cheney Flip Flops On Iraq - Donald - 9/29/2004 1:06:00 PM
- Geez don, dont you know the rules? - Tony - 9/29/2004 8:32:23 PM
- Please, instead of spamming and using the big lie you love so much, THNIK for a change - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 1:48:53 PM
  - Cheney: Saddam Not Worth American Lives - Donald - 9/29/2004 2:03:03 PM
    - You are just digging your hole deeper. You know Cheney and Bush did not make up any stories about WMDs - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 2:22:13 PM
      - Excuse me but.... - Donald - 9/29/2004 3:10:47 PM
        
        You say they are 'making up lies about mythical WMDs'. Think, boy. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/29/2004 3:53:01 PM
        
        And those non-mythical WMDs are where? And the true statements are - - ? (n/t) - Bowser - 9/29/2004 5:11:41 PM
- More on this - Donald - 9/29/2004 1:07:56 PM
  - Meanwhile: Iraq Study Sees Rebel Attacks as Widespread - Donald - 9/29/2004 1:13:12 PM
    - And: Situation worse than portrayed, U.S. analysts say - Donald - 9/29/2004 1:16:04 PM
      - They have infiltrators conducting attacks in the Green Zone. That was not the case a year ago." - Bowser - 9/29/2004 1:56:06 PM
        
        Indeed - Its a quagmire - Donald - 9/29/2004 2:04:05 PM

5.9 quake in Parkfield, California - jms - 9/28/2004 5:53:37 PM
- re: 5.9 quake in Parkfield, California - SteveS - 9/28/2004 10:50:41 PM
- Heard creaking in a meeting with 20 or so people - alcaray - 9/28/2004 10:05:36 PM
  - Woodland Hills?!? - Donald - 9/29/2004 12:52:33 AM
    - I only work there. I commute from Glendale. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/29/2004 8:28:29 PM

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