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Radical Cleric Is Unwanted by His Neighbors - FrankC - 4/25/2004 1:02:44 AM

US admits it will still control Iraq after transfer - Bowser - 4/25/2004 12:03:54 AM

A Blast from the Past - LJ - 4/23/2004 4:35:21 PM
- and the Office of Special Plans today - E.P. Grondine - 4/24/2004 7:39:05 PM
- re: A Blast from the Past - Davin l. - 4/23/2004 6:19:48 PM
  - yeah - what he said - Fox - 4/23/2004 10:44:26 PM
- A vast number of documents - McFly - 4/23/2004 6:16:26 PM
  - It's so very interesting - Eri - 4/24/2004 4:49:38 AM
  - "Hear him!" - Fox - 4/23/2004 10:12:57 PM
- So what? Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler in 1938. (n/t) - Jacob Samorodin - 4/23/2004 5:21:01 PM
  - Now that I think about it, Chamberlain didn't supply Hitler with WMD, either. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/23/2004 10:41:39 PM
  - And look how he's justly ridiculed. As a hypocrite and fool. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/23/2004 9:34:50 PM
- Politics often makes for strange bedfellows - Larry J - 4/23/2004 5:11:56 PM

Turning Iraw over to a Moslem coalition force - E.P. Grondine - 4/22/2004 10:43:40 PM
- Going backwards is a stupid idea (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 4/23/2004 5:44:39 AM
  - re: Constitutional Monarchy - Raoul - 4/24/2004 5:48:40 PM
    - re:presisely re: Constitutional Monarchy - E.P. Grondine - 4/24/2004 7:28:40 PM
  - Uh Buck, look who proposed it (n/t) - phil - 4/23/2004 6:16:51 PM
    - Looking, looking, for the substance in that post. - Bowser - 4/23/2004 9:36:24 PM
      - Meowf! - p - 4/23/2004 11:42:50 PM

25 members - Raoul - 4/24/2004 6:33:40 PM

Major news media "mistakes" accidently impugn Bush 's policies & Republicans - p - 4/23/2004 11:54:18 PM
- re: Major news media "mistakes" achieve the impossible. Impugn Bush etc. - Bowser - 4/24/2004 12:52:35 AM
  - Republlicans ARE victims... - Eri - 4/24/2004 4:43:17 AM

Ex-NFL Player Pat Tillman killed in action in Afghanistan - Larry J - 4/23/2004 2:44:55 PM
- re: Ex-NFL Player Pat Tillman killed in action in Afghanistan - phil - 4/23/2004 6:14:43 PM
  - If I may...... - Lindy - 4/24/2004 2:53:34 AM
    - "I expect to get flamed for this" - ebnelson - 4/24/2004 4:21:32 AM

"Freed Japanese hostages face criticism" - RobVG - 4/24/2004 3:55:01 AM

Sounds like a typical concentration camp...paid by your tax dollars. - Jack Herer - 4/20/2004 8:02:08 PM
- More on the SCotUS argument - Fox - 4/23/2004 10:42:51 PM
- Gitmo is an abomination.... - Publius - 4/21/2004 1:02:41 PM
- They should be declared to "Prisoners of War" and held for the duration. That is the proper thing to do by international law. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/21/2004 1:18:22 AM
  - Al Qeada terrorists are not lawful combatants - Gary - 4/21/2004 6:00:24 AM
    - Perhaps, but we don't like summary executions. - David F Mayer - 4/21/2004 10:00:54 PM
    - "undue mercy" means they weren't summarily executed? - alcaray - 4/21/2004 5:23:17 PM
  - What "war"? - Bowser - 4/21/2004 1:52:34 AM
    - The war against Al Qaeda. - David F Mayer - 4/21/2004 10:04:36 PM
      - Do you declare war? How do you know when it ends? - Bowser - 4/22/2004 12:06:48 AM
        
        This has ample precedent in history: the Barbary Pirates for one. - David F Mayer - 4/22/2004 12:58:12 PM
        
        Absolutely barbaric. Makes us no different than the badguys. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/22/2004 7:37:07 PM
        
        What would YOU suggest? Letting Al Qaeda prisoners go? As long as Al Qaeda exists and continues to attack the USA, that is simply not feasible. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/22/2004 9:21:18 PM
    - re: war - Tom Brosz - 4/21/2004 4:17:43 AM
      - Legalistically, Bowser's point bears directly on Mr. Mayer's post. - alcaray - 4/21/2004 5:28:57 PM
        
        Wrong: That is exactly why it DOES work. It lets us hold them forever within International Law. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/22/2004 1:00:39 PM
        
        I hear you. But I think that's a circumvention of the law. - alcaray - 4/22/2004 4:16:45 PM
        
        The Geneva Conventions apply to all armed conflict, whether declared or not. - David F Mayer - 4/22/2004 9:24:12 PM
        
        You tend to speak in absolutes - alcaray - 4/23/2004 3:46:37 PM
      - Fallacy - Bowser - 4/21/2004 1:47:22 PM
        
        re: Fallacy - Tom Brosz - 4/21/2004 4:42:58 PM
        
        I just don't believe what you believe. - Bowser - 4/21/2004 5:07:43 PM
        
        Obviously. - Tom Brosz - 4/21/2004 10:29:11 PM
- "The most important theme in all the cases is the power of the president to conduct a new kind of war as he sees fit." - Lindy - 4/20/2004 9:39:23 PM
  - re: "The most important theme in all the cases is the power of the president to conduct a new kind of war as he sees fit." - Publius - 4/21/2004 12:39:31 PM
  - Good analysis... - Derek - 4/21/2004 12:41:35 AM
- It is, but it's "ours". - Bowser - 4/20/2004 9:28:58 PM
  - re: It is, but it's "ours". - Derek - 4/21/2004 12:49:57 AM

"My job is like think beyond the immediate," Bush said. - Bowser - 4/22/2004 4:19:24 AM
- He just doesn't get it, does he? - Lindy - 4/22/2004 6:37:31 PM
- re: "My job is to think beyond the immediate," Bush said. - Tom Brosz - 4/22/2004 5:35:25 AM
  - Here's another example of their editing. - Bowser - 4/22/2004 1:59:26 PM
    - And yet another example. - RobVG - 4/22/2004 3:18:03 PM
      - Oh, you guys. Probably belongs on the Flame Board, don't you think? - Bowser - 4/22/2004 6:17:54 PM
        
        Flame? - RobVG - 4/22/2004 6:45:27 PM
        
        Near flame - Tony - 4/23/2004 3:00:20 PM
        
        Hey!!! I'm about as pure as the driven slush, but I'm trying to protect RobVG. - Bowser - 4/23/2004 4:19:57 PM
        
        Ah hem... - RobVG - 4/23/2004 4:53:47 PM
        
        yes - tony - 4/23/2004 6:36:04 PM
- What about detente? - FrankC - 4/22/2004 4:45:49 AM
  - Dang, and I thought Bowser was over-sensitive - Davin L. - 4/22/2004 5:10:47 AM
    - It is a cumlative thing Davin - FrankC - 4/22/2004 5:31:04 AM
      - Mostly right. - Bowser - 4/22/2004 2:14:54 PM
  - It's alive and well. - Bowser - 4/22/2004 5:01:57 AM
    - re: It's alive and well. - Davin L. - 4/22/2004 5:06:19 AM
      - Now THAT is funny!!! (n/t) - Bowser - 4/22/2004 5:11:32 AM

Predicting Earthquakes? - jms - 4/17/2004 2:48:37 PM
- We shall see. - David F Mayer - 4/22/2004 1:08:08 PM
  - Meanwhile... - Fox - 4/22/2004 6:44:16 PM
    - It might be ok - RobVG - 4/23/2004 6:09:20 PM

Firefight in Fallujah - Tom Brosz - 4/22/2004 3:43:25 AM
- The negotiations in Fallujah don't make much sense - Gary - 4/22/2004 3:52:47 PM
  - re: The negotiations in Fallujah don't make much sense - RobVG - 4/23/2004 3:59:47 PM
  - Latest CPA briefing - Tom Brosz - 4/22/2004 8:02:48 PM
  - re: The negotiations in Fallujah don't make much sense - Tom Brosz - 4/22/2004 5:57:22 PM

McCain - 10,000 more troops, cut domestic spending. It's getting worse, and we can't get out. - Bowser - 4/23/2004 3:25:12 AM
- Websters: "quagmire" - Jack Herer - 4/23/2004 3:06:44 PM
- Dumbsfeld - Buck Galaxy - 4/23/2004 5:41:50 AM
- Dumbsfeld - Buck Galaxy - 4/23/2004 5:41:41 AM

'Nother poll. Kerry ahead. They're gonna be all over the map until it's over. - Bowser - 4/21/2004 6:33:32 PM
- Military Records: Kerry praised while Bush played hookie - Donald - 4/21/2004 11:18:28 PM
  - Still can't figure out why - Tony - 4/22/2004 3:17:04 PM
  - re: Military Records - Tom Brosz - 4/22/2004 3:07:47 AM
    - In the first place. Where does the piety originate? - Bowser - 4/22/2004 8:03:17 PM
      - Hypocrisy - Tom Brosz - 4/22/2004 8:35:35 PM
        
        re: Hypocrisy - Tony - 4/23/2004 2:32:38 PM
        
        Matthew and Luke on hypocrisy. - Bowser - 4/22/2004 8:48:07 PM
      - re: Where does the piety originate? - Tom Brosz - 4/22/2004 8:18:34 PM
        
        You are not paying attention - Tony - 4/23/2004 2:57:54 PM
- A little like having the 28th pick in the draft - Tony - 4/21/2004 6:48:01 PM
  - Yeah, or the 362nd. All the good choices are gone. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/21/2004 9:07:21 PM

Train accident in North Korea kills perhaps 3,000 - David F Mayer - 4/22/2004 10:18:14 PM
- musing "out loud" - Fox - 4/23/2004 1:48:18 AM
  - Anyone know where JUSTIN KELLY was stationed?? (n/t) - Lindy - 4/23/2004 4:59:20 AM
    - It isn't a train station, Lindy. :>) (n/t) - Bowser - 4/23/2004 2:31:41 PM
    - Not close enough to notice :-) - Justin Kelly - 4/23/2004 11:18:59 AM
    - Somewhere in SOUTH Korea. ;) (n/t) - Lee - 4/23/2004 5:09:09 AM

So the Iraqi Governing Council will be history - Buck Galaxy - 4/23/2004 6:20:00 AM
- Some of the problems, from NY Times. They look big. - Bowser - 4/23/2004 2:05:34 PM

Why the race is looking so good for Bush - Bowser - 4/22/2004 8:42:44 PM
- Wake me after the conventions. (n/t) - Pete Stanley - 4/23/2004 6:15:56 AM
- Some recent presidential election polls - David F Mayer - 4/22/2004 9:15:47 PM
  - State polls reveal how misleading the popular vote total may be - m - 4/22/2004 10:10:08 PM
    - Four times in history, the number one vote getter did NOT win the presidency. Perhaps it is time to junk the Electoral College. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/22/2004 10:14:19 PM
- Regardless of who's really better, it's pretty tough for an aristocratic Democrat to beat a populist Republican - m - 4/22/2004 8:53:30 PM

Bush Jr lies to Saudi Ambassador? - E.P. Grondine - 4/22/2004 11:35:03 PM
- Why should he be the only person on Earth GWB hasn't lied to? (n/t) - Bowser - 4/23/2004 3:33:10 AM

U.N. corruption still coming to light - Tom Brosz - 4/21/2004 4:31:17 AM
- re: U.N. corruption still coming to light - McFly - 4/22/2004 1:45:22 PM
  - Link? - RobVG - 4/22/2004 6:30:46 PM
    - re: Link? - McFly - 4/22/2004 9:08:23 PM
      - technical ps. - McFly - 4/22/2004 9:14:47 PM
- re: The U.N. involvement is only a part of the problem - Raoul - 4/21/2004 9:41:16 PM
  - re: The U.N. involvement is only a part of the problem - gbaikie - 4/22/2004 11:10:55 AM
  - re: U.N. involvement - Tom Brosz - 4/21/2004 10:34:23 PM
    - re: U.N. involvement - Raoul - 4/22/2004 5:59:35 PM
      - re: U.N. involvement - gbaikie - 4/23/2004 1:22:11 AM
      - re: U.N. involvement - SDG - 4/22/2004 6:22:31 PM
- re: "What will it take to show them that the United Nations is not what they think it is?" - alcaray - 4/21/2004 6:13:19 PM
  - It's tragic. And it's human. And problems seem to be human. - Bowser - 4/21/2004 6:39:56 PM
    - A lot of U.S. politicians probably wish they had a Teflon coating half this good. - Tom Brosz - 4/21/2004 7:59:11 PM
      - Well, where's "Kenny-boy"? In the slam, on trial, under indictment? (n/t) - Bowser - 4/21/2004 8:33:50 PM

Syria supplying Iraqi insurgents - Tom Brosz - 4/22/2004 4:10:30 AM
- I think that baby Assad has lived too long. It is time for a regime change in Syria as well. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/22/2004 12:52:23 PM
  - Not necessarily. - Tom Brosz - 4/22/2004 5:42:04 PM
    - The best way to make the point to Assad is to bomb his presidential palace. - David F Mayer - 4/22/2004 9:17:41 PM

Italy responds to murder of Italian prisoner by Iraqi fanatics. - David F Mayer - 4/15/2004 11:57:09 AM
- "how an Italian dies." - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2004 10:10:16 PM
  - re: "how an Italian dies." - Davin L. - 4/16/2004 5:21:48 AM
    - re: "how an Italian dies." - Italiano - 4/22/2004 7:54:07 PM

Bush increasing lead on Kerry - FrankC - 4/20/2004 2:24:51 AM
- The Democrats blew their big chance - Gary - 4/20/2004 3:02:42 AM
  - And, as alcaray said once... - FrankC - 4/20/2004 3:33:49 PM
    - Why on earth - Tony - 4/20/2004 5:35:12 PM
    - I rarely get involved in these discussions of polls - alcaray - 4/20/2004 5:08:27 PM
      - "Between now and November there will be many polls." No kidding. Nobody should get too excited about any polls right now. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/21/2004 12:12:59 AM
        
        And, "Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee" :^) (n/t) - FrankC - 4/21/2004 1:48:24 AM
  - re: The Democrats blew their big chance - REB - 4/20/2004 12:28:32 PM
  - Absolutely - Pete Stanley - 4/20/2004 5:43:52 AM
  - you may be right - Justin Kelly - 4/20/2004 5:20:13 AM
    - Again there's that theory about Hillary..... - Gary - 4/20/2004 3:59:31 PM
      - It's the Gnomes of Zurich who get to decide, right? (n/t) - alcaray - 4/21/2004 3:10:49 PM
        
        the next line is that the "Gnomes of Zurich" are all in Basel....... (n/t) - Publius - 4/21/2004 11:57:39 PM
        
        We could probably sell the idea that they are French now (n/t) - alcaray - 4/22/2004 4:36:52 PM
      - So much for a kinder, gentler board. - Bowser - 4/20/2004 6:44:45 PM
        
        I got a good one for you - FrankC - 4/20/2004 9:43:48 PM
      - Bowser for Prez - Tony - 4/20/2004 5:39:09 PM
    - A lot of Democrats feel the same way about Kerry - Tom Brosz - 4/20/2004 5:46:33 AM
      - 97 days - Fox - 4/20/2004 6:04:08 PM
      - re: A lot of Democrats feel the same way about Kerry - REB - 4/20/2004 5:06:04 PM
        
        If you'll take the time to notice, there may be a reason. - Bowser - 4/20/2004 6:08:13 PM
        
        re: If you'll take the time to notice, there may be a reason. - REB - 4/20/2004 6:46:39 PM
        
        That may be a bit off-topic. - Bowser - 4/20/2004 6:59:50 PM
        
        Maybe... - REB - 4/20/2004 7:45:09 PM
        
        Sigh. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/20/2004 8:41:52 PM
        
        re: Sigh. - REB - 4/20/2004 8:57:03 PM
        
        Oh, God, why me? - Bowser - 4/20/2004 9:22:04 PM

Oil-for-war pays for presidential victory? - alcaray - 4/20/2004 5:41:03 PM
- Woodward denied making any allegation, in regards to Kerryâ€™s comment about a secret White House deal - REB - 4/21/2004 12:56:24 PM
- Unfortunately, US lacks the Euros and Yen to buy oil - E.P. Grondine - 4/20/2004 11:42:03 PM
- "Woodward, White House, Saudis: No election deal on oil" - Tom Brosz - 4/20/2004 10:40:32 PM
  - Interesting - Davin L. - 4/21/2004 1:05:45 AM
    - There's also this - Tom Brosz - 4/21/2004 7:52:39 AM
      - re: There's also this - Davin L. - 4/21/2004 5:10:10 PM
        
        re: There's also this - Tom Brosz - 4/22/2004 5:39:22 AM
        
        The book purports to quote what Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. said to Woodward. - alcaray - 4/22/2004 4:20:39 PM
        
        What exactly does the book say? (n/t) - alcaray - 4/21/2004 5:32:59 PM
        
        re: What exactly does the book say? - Davin L. - 4/21/2004 6:24:43 PM
  - Press is lying to American people about Bush Jr's very own "Suez Crisis" - E.P. Grondine - 4/21/2004 12:16:13 AM
- re: Oil-for-war pays for presidential victory? - gbaikie - 4/20/2004 9:54:39 PM
- re: Oil-for-war pays for presidential victory? - gbaikie - 4/20/2004 9:54:30 PM
  - Lord knows our friends the Saudis always tell us the truth (n/t) - alcaray - 4/20/2004 10:09:12 PM

Texas v Europe - Raoul - 4/21/2004 5:33:20 PM
- Texas is similar to Mexico. - Bowser - 4/21/2004 7:40:20 PM
  - Sorry pal, that's sick - FrankC - 4/22/2004 4:11:02 AM
    - "Sick"? All some people seem to know is how to hurt others!!! - Bowser - 4/22/2004 5:05:52 AM
      - Learn to link, lest you be known as maroon. (n/t) - FrankC - 4/22/2004 5:42:37 AM
        
        linking 101 - SDG - 4/22/2004 2:39:42 PM
  - re: Texas is similar to Mexico. - REB - 4/21/2004 9:19:15 PM
- An interesting article, even if it pegs the elitism meter. - Tom Brosz - 4/21/2004 6:55:05 PM
- How Texans think - alcaray - 4/21/2004 6:20:25 PM
  - re: How Texans think - gbaikie - 4/21/2004 8:43:33 PM
    - I would think it sad to send someone to the electric chair without evidence of of guilt of the murder in question - alcaray - 4/21/2004 10:17:52 PM
  - "I don't know anyone who does not believe in God. And if you did not believe, I doubt you would be brave enough to admit it." - alcaray - 4/21/2004 6:27:00 PM
    - re: Who is he? - Raoul - 4/21/2004 7:07:17 PM
- re: Texas v Europe - REB - 4/21/2004 5:52:38 PM

Another Hamas leader bites the dust. - David F Mayer - 4/18/2004 2:53:06 AM
- IRA - Tony - 4/19/2004 6:02:08 PM
  - IRA.......assuming you are not referencing my retirement account....... - Publius - 4/20/2004 6:44:45 PM
    - Can't get much more Irish - Tony - 4/20/2004 7:19:26 PM
  - Inquiring minds want to know. - Mary Anne - 4/19/2004 8:19:04 PM
    - P.S. - Tony - 4/20/2004 5:23:37 PM
      - This will probably seem silly... - Mary Anne - 4/21/2004 2:56:11 AM
        
        Out break of sanity - Tony - 4/21/2004 12:30:43 PM
        
        this will *definitely* seem silly - Fox - 4/22/2004 1:01:11 AM
        
        but also pronounced Hee-ee ;-) (n/t) - Tony - 4/22/2004 1:37:39 PM
    - I feel it started in 94 - Tony - 4/20/2004 5:22:20 PM
- Good riddance - Donald - 4/18/2004 3:00:55 PM
- Universal Law: What comes around goes around. They're ignoring this law long term. (n/t) - John - 4/18/2004 12:41:16 PM
- Replacement on the way? - Tom Brosz - 4/18/2004 5:56:11 AM
  - Khaled Mashal (overall head of Hamas) is most likely the next Israeli target. He hides out in Lebanon and Syria, but is not invulnerable. - David F Mayer - 4/18/2004 8:33:31 PM

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