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Boston Globe put words in mouth of document expert - ebnelson - 9/11/2004 7:10:50 PM

All citizens unite, Muslims as well... - Raoul - 9/11/2004 5:37:29 PM
- good news re bonding - hope for the future (n/t) - Daniel - 9/11/2004 7:08:31 PM

CBS lied to get the answers it wanted from its 'verifiers' - ebnelson - 9/11/2004 4:01:46 PM
- CBS needs to admit the documents are fake - Gary - 9/11/2004 5:31:04 PM

What's the big deal? - Bowser - 9/11/2004 4:42:53 AM
- It is because of something the left sold off awhile back: Honor. - ebnelson - 9/11/2004 4:06:06 PM
- If - Pete Stanley - 9/11/2004 9:10:43 AM
- And just out of curiosity... - Tom Brosz - 9/11/2004 5:20:59 AM
  - See. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/11/2004 5:39:46 AM
- Think along the lines of spotting one cockroach in the kitchen. - Tom Brosz - 9/11/2004 5:18:48 AM
  - CBS / 60 Minutes backed the moonbats against Cassini (n/t) - Gary - 9/11/2004 4:24:38 PM
  - Audi comes to mind - ebnelson - 9/11/2004 4:07:53 PM
  - CBS has done more due diligence with this that GWB did before the Iraq war. - Bowser - 9/11/2004 5:47:58 AM
    - Still pushing the 'Bush made it all up' lie, I see. - ebnelson - 9/11/2004 5:28:48 PM

The CBS interview as reported on Drudge. Font problems weren't - other docs have same fonts. - Bowser - 9/10/2004 11:57:05 PM
- What's the frequency, Kenneth? - Pete Stanley - 9/11/2004 8:52:55 AM
  - The word CBS is looking for is "frequently", not "freqeuncy" - E.P. Grondine - 9/11/2004 5:10:23 PM
- re: The CBS joke - SteveS - 9/11/2004 1:46:06 AM
  - The joke is on us if we fall for it. - ebnelson - 9/11/2004 3:15:33 AM
  - re: The CBS joke - Aaron - 9/11/2004 2:25:35 AM
  - You know something they don't. - Bowser - 9/11/2004 2:12:22 AM
- "He isn't going to be able to stonewall this." "'bye, 'bye Rather". - Bowser - 9/11/2004 12:00:13 AM

Some good news re al-Qaeda. A little bad, too, but some good. - Bowser - 9/11/2004 2:13:01 PM

New documentary being released today - Larry J - 9/9/2004 7:05:21 PM
- re: Kerry's tape recorded voice was used to tourture American POW's... - Scott Evil - 9/9/2004 8:49:39 PM
  - Oh man, his voice could be used to help insomniacs. However,...... - Art Martin - 9/9/2004 9:50:56 PM
    - POWs were being tortured to sign documents... - Larry J - 9/9/2004 11:49:31 PM
      - So you honestly believe I was a war protester because of Kerry? - Art Martin - 9/10/2004 7:52:28 PM
        
        Kerry was a player, a cheerleader and leader in creating the myths about our soldiers. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 9:26:05 PM
        
        re: So you honestly believe I was a war protester because of Kerry? - gbaikie - 9/10/2004 8:44:43 PM
        
        The point - Art Martin - 9/10/2004 9:23:52 PM
        
        re: The point - gbaikie - 9/11/2004 12:05:53 AM
        
        I'm curious. Just where is your expertise here? - Art Martin - 9/11/2004 6:06:54 AM
        
        re: I'm curious. Just where is your expertise here? - gbaikie - 9/11/2004 10:15:16 AM
  - Much like his live voice tortures a whole nation today (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/9/2004 9:00:05 PM

Man named in Bush memo left Guard before document was written - Gary - 9/11/2004 2:49:53 AM
- Am I miremembering, or didnt Rather announce that he was going to retire soon well before this scandal? (n/t) - R.L. - 9/11/2004 7:25:54 AM
- Rather would let Kerry go to Hell before trashing his career. - Lee - 9/11/2004 5:27:23 AM
- If this is true, it is the end of Dan Rather and Kerry. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/11/2004 3:16:33 AM

'bye 'bye Dan Rather - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 5:32:18 PM
- What liberal media? CBS news is a joke - phil - 9/10/2004 8:48:27 PM
- RATHER DIGS IN: THE DOCUMENTS ARE AUTHENTIC - Jeremy - 9/10/2004 7:12:26 PM
  - Just like the Hitler diaries. Poop! (n/t) - DFM - 9/10/2004 8:38:14 PM
  - Why doesn't Rather or someone from CBS... - SteveS - 9/10/2004 7:33:39 PM
    - In fact, docs of that time do exist and are substantially different. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 7:51:42 PM
    - re: Because Rather and CBS news are so far into the Kerry camp, that they can't even see their blatent bias. - Scott Evil - 9/10/2004 7:41:57 PM
      - re: Because Rather and CBS news are so far into the Kerry camp, that they can't even see their blatent bias. - Art Martin - 9/11/2004 6:14:02 AM
  - He isn't going to be able to stonewall his way through this - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 7:26:35 PM
- re: 'bye 'bye Dan Rather - gbaikie - 9/10/2004 6:52:59 PM

Women's US Open! - Raoul - 9/10/2004 10:10:23 PM
- Thanks Raoul for trying to get us off this stupid Bush memo crap. - Art Martin - 9/11/2004 5:28:47 AM

Iraq - "Now, Metz said, "the current situation may be sustained for a very long time." - Bowser - 9/11/2004 5:02:59 AM

Comparison between CBS document and IBM Selectric Composer - Gary - 9/11/2004 4:37:59 AM
- I got an IBM Model B Selectric, used, in 1964. - Bowser - 9/11/2004 4:46:20 AM

WMD report due out in October - E.P. Grondine - 9/10/2004 5:22:32 PM
- re: WMD report due out in October - REB - 9/10/2004 5:49:26 PM
  - Thanks for the link - E.P. Grondine - 9/11/2004 4:12:58 AM
- Bad, bad intelligence - E.P. Grondine - 9/10/2004 5:44:44 PM

General Hodges said he was misled by CBS - Gary - 9/11/2004 4:09:50 AM

Remember 911 Tomorrow - Mark Eby - 9/10/2004 9:03:46 PM
- A pause in life, for those who fell. - RNE - 9/11/2004 3:54:05 AM
- Safe anniversary wished to all (n/t) - Tony - 9/10/2004 9:31:43 PM
- We must never forget. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 9:22:28 PM

On Forgeries - Chris Vancil - 9/10/2004 8:38:37 AM
- Forgery is rather tricky. - David F Mayer - 9/10/2004 2:49:32 PM
  - Unless the forger is selling to an already gullible buyer - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 3:47:59 PM
    - If CBS stands by the forged documents with the rest of the news media give CBS a pass? - Scott Evil - 9/10/2004 4:47:27 PM
      - CBS is not getting a pass so far - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 5:33:29 PM
  - re: Forgery is rather tricky. - Larry J - 9/10/2004 3:34:41 PM
    - The only person who can get away with forgery is a document expert who knows all the tricks. - David F Mayer - 9/10/2004 5:56:24 PM
- "wanted to get caught" - Robert - 9/10/2004 2:38:26 PM
  - re: who has anything to gain keeping alive this silly controversy over military records from three decades ago? - Scott Evil - 9/10/2004 4:55:29 PM
    - The Clintons??? Get over it dude, that was years ago (n/t) - Robert - 9/11/2004 2:22:25 AM
- Because the forgers are not only corrupt, they aer stupid. - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 1:55:22 PM

I'd like ebnelson, and Tony on one side, and Bowser and Don on the other to take a deep breath, pause, and recall some basics. - Jacob Samorodin - 9/10/2004 10:56:23 PM
- you got me confused with Scott? - tony - 9/11/2004 1:25:12 AM
- I agree on both statements. Thanks. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 11:05:28 PM

News story from 1 hour, 21 minutes ago... - Tom Brosz - 9/10/2004 1:48:00 AM
- CBS has launched an executive level internal investigation into the forgeries - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 3:19:52 AM
  - This can go three ways - GAry - 9/10/2004 5:12:49 AM
    - I pray to whatever higher power may exist - Lee - 9/10/2004 6:32:16 AM
      - No way - Gary - 9/10/2004 3:28:42 PM
        
        If they came in anyway from the Kerry campaign - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 3:49:51 PM
        
        re: I wonder if CBS will protect it sources if the sources have been proven to be providing forged documents... - Scott Evil - 9/10/2004 4:31:08 PM
        
        This is already bigger than Watergate. - Lee - 9/10/2004 5:42:24 PM
        
        In your dreams......... - Tony - 9/10/2004 6:29:30 PM
        
        This forgery was past on to CBS by DNC operatives to destroy Bush. - Lee - 9/10/2004 10:46:03 PM
        
        For the news media, Dan Rather's resignation under a coloud of suspicion would be bigger than Nixon's - Scott Evil - 9/10/2004 8:04:09 PM
- I saw a story on the superscript on MSNBC - Lee - 9/10/2004 2:45:14 AM
- It's just hell to see Bush have to defend himself against a smear. - Bowser - 9/10/2004 1:54:26 AM
  - Looks morelikely that the memos came not from DoD - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 3:37:36 AM

Is the US now fighting the Iraqi people? Not sure what's to come of this. - Bowser - 9/10/2004 7:37:34 PM
- All things bode ill for you Bowser - FrankC - 9/10/2004 8:36:43 PM
  - And what parts of that look good to you? That we control part of Baghdad, for instance? (n/t) - Bowser - 9/10/2004 8:58:53 PM
    - It's not going as well as I would like but we will eventually prevail (n/t) - FrankC - 9/10/2004 10:02:10 PM

Interesting speculation on those 'new' Bush memo - Larry J - 9/9/2004 6:28:53 PM
- How Stupid - Mark Eby - 9/9/2004 11:50:43 PM
  - re: the only explanation: Kerry still thinks Vietnam is a winner for him. - Scott Evil - 9/10/2004 9:57:23 PM
  - Well 'Doh!' - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 3:40:02 AM
- Keep checking the blog links here. Updates are coming in all the time. - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2004 10:33:50 PM
  - Powerline is devestating on Dan Rather's credibility and the DNC's ethics - ebnelson - 9/9/2004 10:50:26 PM
  - More... - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2004 10:42:13 PM
- re: Interesting speculation on those 'new' Bush memo - Chris Vancil - 9/9/2004 10:06:43 PM
  - Other possibility: the forgers (assuming a forgery) were just stupid. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2004 10:11:46 PM
    - re: In 1944, IBM designs the first typewriter with proportional spacing - Chris Vancil - 9/9/2004 10:28:46 PM
      - At least one expert has identified the font as Times New Roman, available only on modern computers. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2004 10:53:47 PM
        
        Times New Roman in use by The Times of London in 1932 (n/t) - Alan G. Archer - 9/9/2004 11:35:51 PM
        
        For typesetting, yes. But for typewritters? - Larry J - 9/10/2004 12:03:44 AM
        
        Probably not - Alan G. Archer - 9/10/2004 2:30:04 PM
      - But no kerning, and proportional was rare. - ebnelson - 9/9/2004 10:51:28 PM
        
        re: IBM's were not rare in 1970s and the type is to blurred to positively identify it. But if forged seems pretty stupid not to have used common fonts easly picked up on web. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/9/2004 11:08:10 PM
        
        Proportional typing machines were, and the kerning is something IBMs never did. - ebnelson - 9/9/2004 11:33:29 PM
        
        Like you know Kerning from a hole in your head. - Tony - 9/10/2004 6:45:44 PM
- Leaning towards fake. - Tony - 9/9/2004 8:34:01 PM
  - Documents - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2004 10:38:57 PM
    - So what if the Republicans planted them? - Art Martin - 9/9/2004 11:00:36 PM
      - You're serious, right? - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2004 11:15:14 PM
        
        re: You're serious, right? - Chris Vancil - 9/9/2004 11:23:25 PM
        
        re: You're serious, right? - Art Martin - 9/9/2004 11:22:41 PM
      - re: Concidering how stupid they would have to be to use "times" font it must be the RNC and Rove... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/9/2004 11:10:36 PM
        
        Oh really? Have you checked the font on Kerry's service records? Why won't he sign the paperwork releasing them??? (n/t) - Scott Evil - 9/10/2004 2:00:32 PM
        
        re: Considering how stupid they would have to be to use "times" font it must be the RNC and Rove... - gbaikie - 9/10/2004 7:09:46 AM
- All they have to do is come up with some story. - Bowser - 9/9/2004 8:21:26 PM
  - Do you like grape or orange koolaid? Don't mind the almond smell. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/9/2004 9:04:15 PM
- This reminds me of the Clinton smears after a "bimbo eruption". (n/t) - Bowser - 9/9/2004 7:41:46 PM
  - At least one forensics document expert believes it's probably a fake - Larry J - 9/9/2004 7:47:57 PM
    - re: Now then... Who would create a fake document to discredit Bush... - Scott Evil - 9/9/2004 8:01:06 PM
      - Hillary did it? Who knows. lol - Art Martin - 9/9/2004 11:14:25 PM
      - If you're REALLY paranoid... - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2004 8:08:35 PM
        
        Now, they can't which of 3 folks "outed" Plame. - Bowser - 9/9/2004 9:39:54 PM
        
        It just HAD to be the work of Karl Rove!!! (n/t) - Larry J - 9/9/2004 8:25:10 PM
        
        re: Ah Ha... the Kerry Campaign was framed... (n/t) - Kari Supporter - 9/9/2004 8:11:18 PM
- Definitely one for the "48 Hour" rule. - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2004 6:41:56 PM
  - Keep in mind that we're talking about an Air National Guard unit - Larry J - 9/9/2004 7:00:21 PM
    - re: An air Guard unit using state of the art word processing equipment in 1972? - Scott Evil - 9/9/2004 7:44:15 PM
      - You've never heard of the top secret operation code named "Proportional Font"? (n/t) - Art Martin - 9/9/2004 11:16:04 PM
        
        Have you ever seen the cast off, worn out crap that the National Guard was stuck with back then? - Larry J - 9/10/2004 12:17:49 AM
      - re: An air Guard unit using state of the art word processing equipment in 1972? - Larry J - 9/9/2004 8:23:35 PM
        
        re:I would like to take this time and make a public apology to President Carter. - Scott Evil - 9/9/2004 8:32:58 PM
- More - Pete Stanley - 9/9/2004 6:35:49 PM
  - While still reserving judgement... - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2004 6:47:38 PM
    - The blogosphere... - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/9/2004 7:15:10 PM
      - re: The blogosphere... - Tom Brosz - 9/9/2004 8:17:29 PM
        
        'The blogosphere is like SETI@Home for politics' - Larry J - 9/9/2004 9:01:36 PM
      - More BS from Tech-1 - Lindy - 9/9/2004 7:42:17 PM
      - The Susan Estrich comlumn may turn out to be one of the stupidest things she ever does. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/9/2004 7:17:58 PM
        
        I agree. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/9/2004 7:22:16 PM

For Phil - alcaray - 9/10/2004 4:33:14 PM
- re: For Phil - phil - 9/10/2004 8:51:12 PM

What's Scaring Bush In These Swing States - Chris Vancil - 9/9/2004 8:33:19 AM
- Anecdotal evidence from a swing state. - Mary Anne - 9/9/2004 12:20:19 PM
  - Ther's A Reason Anecdotal Evidence Is Rejected In Science - Mark Eby - 9/9/2004 11:54:58 PM
    - Yes. But we're talking about politics. - Mary Anne - 9/10/2004 1:11:55 AM
      - Which Candidate Won PA last Time? - Mark Eby - 9/10/2004 11:14:21 AM
        
        Not the same one who won in my county. - Mary Anne - 9/10/2004 7:57:49 PM
  - After latest primary election I'm a bit worried - Art Martin - 9/9/2004 4:09:25 PM
    - re: Were I a Republican in heart, I could simply go out and beat up a gay guy or something. - Scott Evil - 9/9/2004 9:05:03 PM
      - I'm just planting that suggestion so you leave the atheists alone. (n/t) - Art Martin - 9/9/2004 9:52:30 PM
  - More anecdotal evidence from a somewhat swing state. Or two. - Bowser - 9/9/2004 3:27:38 PM
    - re: More anecdotal evidence from a somewhat swing state - Fox - 9/9/2004 8:26:05 PM

Little John stumbles into forged document scam - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 7:50:24 PM

Bush Rage Warning Proving True - Mark Eby - 9/10/2004 11:25:24 AM
- cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/10/2004 3:42:59 PM
- Due to the 'Truth in Advertising' Laws... - Larry J - 9/10/2004 2:18:22 PM
- re:Please get over the hatred on Newt. he's been out of office for 10 years now! - Scott Evil - 9/10/2004 2:05:45 PM
  - he's been out of office for 4 years now - I don't hate him, I just don't like him - E.P. Grondine - 9/10/2004 4:34:19 PM
- The docs are frauds. - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 1:56:45 PM
  - The forgery was VERY STUPID. - David F Mayer - 9/10/2004 5:43:48 PM
    - The Barnes interview was no more clever. - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 6:52:36 PM

Oh my God, confirmation of Kerry in Cambodia - ebnelson - 9/10/2004 6:49:23 PM

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