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Puerto Rico - Raoul - 8/15/2004 10:24:21 PM
- dream team = millionaire thugs (n/t) - FrankC - 8/16/2004 3:53:05 PM

939 - Donald - 8/15/2004 1:37:44 PM
- The war in Iraq is wrong and they know it! - Chiquita - 8/15/2004 3:17:42 PM
  - Nice piece of photshop. (n/t) - ebnelson - 8/15/2004 8:45:50 PM
    - The shot is real as far as I can tell, but not quite sure what point he's making. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 10:02:50 PM
      - re: No, Ed has it right... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 8/16/2004 8:55:10 AM
- Same mistake as yesterday - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 2:04:08 PM
  - It is Don's, just like Kerry's, patriotic duty to do all he can to weaken the war effort - ebnelson - 8/15/2004 8:55:38 PM
    - re: What a load of BS... Your being unpatriotic! (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 8/15/2004 9:50:42 PM
  - Hardly - Donald - 8/15/2004 2:24:28 PM
    - Would those soldiers be alive today if we had gone in with U.N. support? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 8:27:52 PM
      - re: Would those soldiers be alive today if we had gone in with U.N. support? - gbaikie - 8/15/2004 10:25:14 PM
    - The CIA Inflated The Data Don - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 2:36:00 PM
      - re: The CIA Inflated The Data Don - Chris Vancil - 8/16/2004 8:50:28 AM
        
        You're Arguing Tangential Side Issues - Mark Eby - 8/16/2004 1:15:31 PM
    - Criticize Bush All You Want - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 2:28:31 PM
      - Only as deserved - Donald - 8/15/2004 2:51:00 PM
        
        And Equally Offended By Endless Repetition of the Half That's Not (n/t) - Mark Eby - 8/16/2004 12:47:53 PM
        
        I Am Offended By The Half That Are Accurate (n/t) - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 3:10:12 PM
- 6,276 - Donald - 8/15/2004 2:01:05 PM

938 - Donald - 8/14/2004 1:30:35 PM
- Wrong - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 1:47:39 PM
  - You Both Forget Kuwait - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 3:17:24 PM
    - You forget that Kuwait happened 14 years ago... - Donald - 8/14/2004 3:52:10 PM
      - No, Irrelevant - Terms Not Fulfilled, Many Wars Lasted Longer (n/t) - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 4:00:15 PM
        
        Hogwash - Donald - 8/14/2004 4:05:04 PM
        
        What Alternate Reality Did You Come From? - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 5:15:20 PM
        
        One that was proven right - Donald - 8/14/2004 6:01:12 PM
        
        You're The One Ignoring History, Not Me - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 7:39:16 PM
        
        re: Ignoring History - Raoul - 8/15/2004 1:13:33 AM
        
        Duh, That Wasn't The Case - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 2:29:33 AM
        
        re: Acting on beliefs? - Raoul - 8/15/2004 8:36:54 AM
        
        No Probabilities - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 2:16:57 PM
        
        They told us they KNEW; now they only BELIEVED. - Mary Anne - 8/16/2004 11:04:37 AM
        
        Fair Enough But - Mark Eby - 8/16/2004 12:53:30 PM
        
        Imminet threat - SteveS - 8/16/2004 12:31:33 PM
  - re: Which ones? - Raoul - 8/14/2004 2:40:34 PM
  - The wrong ideals - Donald - 8/14/2004 2:12:45 PM
    - Did You Forget Your Own Words As well? - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 3:50:16 PM
      - Mark has a very good point. - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 8:13:42 PM
      - Finishing the job... - Robert - 8/14/2004 8:06:10 PM
        
        Two Lies - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 11:18:03 PM
        
        Ouch! What a stinging rebuttal! (n/t) - Robert - 8/15/2004 12:04:11 AM
      - We do have to finish the job... - Donald - 8/14/2004 3:55:17 PM
        
        Kerry said he would have voted for war authority, even with no WMD. Have you addressed that yet? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 7:56:29 PM

943 - Donald - 8/16/2004 12:49:29 PM

Kerry on the campaign trail - Tom Brosz - 8/16/2004 5:04:00 AM
- re: Kerry on the campaign trail - Chris Vancil - 8/16/2004 10:22:31 AM

CBO report on taxes - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 11:07:02 PM
- Did You Have A Point? - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 1:58:49 AM
  - re: Did You Have A Point? - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 5:35:41 AM
    - The Rich Pay The Largest Share of Taxes - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 12:43:50 PM
      - Tax cuts and outsourcing - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 8:06:35 PM
        
        I'm Talking About Moving Manufacturing Over Seas Tom - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 11:11:21 PM
        
        You have any evidence of that connection either? - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 4:03:31 AM
        
        Nothing But Math, Economics, History, & Logic - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 4:47:47 AM
        
        re: Nothing But Math, Economics, History, & Logic - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 5:27:00 AM
        
        The Point Is Bush Sold His Cuts As A Jobs Stimulous - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 2:24:56 PM
        
        re: Reagan's Tax Cut - Chris Vancil - 8/16/2004 8:21:12 AM
        
        re: Oops...Reagan raised taxes five times...not three... - Chris Vancil - 8/16/2004 8:38:07 AM

Iraq News - Tom Brosz - 8/16/2004 6:50:48 AM

a truly thoughtful article on Iraq - Daniel L - 8/16/2004 5:01:43 AM

So, how's Chavez doing? - Tom Brosz - 8/16/2004 4:23:41 AM

Liechtenstein Prince Hands Power to Son - Lee - 8/16/2004 1:41:46 AM

Bush to announce troop redeployment on Monday - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 10:55:35 PM
- Okay, chill out a bit... - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 3:15:40 AM
  - Probably time to go... - FrankC - 8/15/2004 4:34:22 PM
- Pull All Of Them Out Of Germany - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 11:02:59 PM
  - Screw the Axis of Evil - phil - 8/15/2004 1:17:53 AM
    - re: Fighting terrorism - Raoul - 8/15/2004 8:32:05 AM
      - re: Fighting terrorism - gbaikie - 8/16/2004 1:03:52 AM
      - re: Fighting terrorism - p - 8/15/2004 1:46:46 PM
      - Strange These Articles Seem To Promote Tactics The Left In The US Abhors - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 1:46:22 PM
  - re: Be careful - Raoul - 8/15/2004 1:02:01 AM
    - What Insults? - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 2:21:07 AM
      - re: You said: Not welcome (n/t) - Raoul - 8/15/2004 8:06:24 AM
        
        I Believe The People Projecting That Image Are The Ones Being Insulting (n/t) - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 1:26:42 PM
      - Correction: How is not wanted an insult unless they are needed and not wanted implies stupidity? (n/t) - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 2:25:05 AM
    - What the mayors are really saying... - Larry J - 8/15/2004 1:49:30 AM
      - re: Yes, it's certainly a good argument (n/t) - Raoul - 8/15/2004 8:09:09 AM
        
        Which one? - Larry J - 8/15/2004 2:59:53 PM
        
        re: Both (n/t) - Raoul - 8/15/2004 7:01:47 PM
        
        To be blunt - Larry J - 8/15/2004 11:05:47 PM
      - The entire Nato bureaucracy should be dismantled. - Lee - 8/15/2004 2:46:20 AM
      - Farb. - RobVG - 8/15/2004 2:14:19 AM
      - Bringing the boys back home - Buck Galaxy - 8/15/2004 2:07:00 AM

Yet ANOTHER new Kerry Vietnam lie exposed - phil - 8/14/2004 6:05:58 PM
- Wrong - Donald - 8/14/2004 7:18:26 PM
  - Afraid Donald's right... - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 7:23:28 PM
    - Further evidence Kerry lied on this one - phil - 8/15/2004 1:58:46 AM
      - Still developing... - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 3:26:59 AM
      - re: Further evidence - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 3:22:50 AM
- IF it's true, how many people died? Compared to, say, Iraq? - Bowser - 8/14/2004 7:08:18 PM
  - Died Under Saddam? Soldiers During The War? Or Civilians During The War? - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 8:05:11 PM
    - Died in Vietnam, on both sides? By that standard, Iraq should have invaded US. - Bowser - 8/14/2004 10:35:58 PM
      - Missed The Reference - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 11:32:30 PM
      - Where? - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 11:00:18 PM
    - re: Died Under Saddam? Soldiers During The War? Or Civilians During The War? - Chris Vancil - 8/14/2004 9:22:04 PM
      - If You Promote A Policy Of Weak Response You Have Forgotten The Lesson Of 911 - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 10:41:50 PM
        
        re: If you breed terrorists and waste military resources then you have also forgotten 9/11 - Chris Vancil - 8/15/2004 12:16:09 AM
        
        Breeding Terrorists? That's Quite A Stretch - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 12:33:06 AM
        
        re: Yes, breeding Terrorists... - Chris Vancil - 8/15/2004 2:49:58 AM
    - Saddam didn't kill the 3,000. - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 8:09:55 PM
      - I DIdn't Say He Did, I Said Weak Policy Of The Type Ignoring Saddam Did (n/t) - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 10:32:21 PM
      - re: Right, more like hundreds of thousands with stuff we sold him. - Chris Vancil - 8/14/2004 10:02:07 PM
        
        Stuff we sold him - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 10:36:57 PM
        
        re: Some of Our 1% - Chris Vancil - 8/15/2004 3:27:21 AM
        
        Old news. - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 3:48:49 AM
        
        re: Yes, and your's was also old news. - Chris Vancil - 8/15/2004 5:20:10 AM
        
        re: old news. - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 7:34:07 AM
        
        re: old news. - Chris Vancil - 8/15/2004 7:53:46 AM
        
        911 Caused A Lot Of People To Change Their Minds - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 1:55:42 PM
        
        re: Sad that people have to have bad things happen to change their minds... - Chris Vancil - 8/15/2004 9:46:29 PM
        
        re: Yes, it would seem we did. - Chris Vancil - 8/14/2004 11:58:25 PM
        
        I Haven't Seen It Before - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 10:52:15 PM
        
        France sold Iraq lots of weapons in the 1980s - Larry J - 8/15/2004 2:28:16 AM
        
        re: I Haven't Seen It Before - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 11:14:33 PM
  - re: how many people died? - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 7:54:10 PM
    - re: how many people died? - Chris Vancil - 8/15/2004 7:38:02 AM
      - Thousands of his fellow vets? - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 7:44:32 AM
        
        re: Thousands of his fellow vets? - Chris Vancil - 8/15/2004 8:47:57 AM
        
        re: Thousands of his fellow vets? (Corrected version of last post...War Crimes) - Chris Vancil - 8/15/2004 9:31:48 PM

"The uneasy Republicans" - Bowser - 8/15/2004 8:46:21 PM

One medal, already! - Raoul - 8/15/2004 10:43:21 AM
- Cool! Best of luck on more! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 8:28:57 PM

Wounded 3 times...or not? - phil - 8/13/2004 5:24:46 PM
- Now Is The Time For Allawi To Be Strong - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 12:55:00 PM
- Deserted - fer sure! Wasn't anywhere he could get wounded. (n/t) - Bowser - 8/14/2004 2:55:40 AM
  - You really are an ebarrasment to the left - R.L. - 8/14/2004 11:33:43 PM
  - Nailed! - FrankC - 8/14/2004 8:22:56 AM
    - re: Nailed! YES! Bowser exposed as a fraud (again) - phil - 8/14/2004 1:13:35 PM
      - Oh, no! Is it coming to a point where I have to actually READ your posts? (n/t) - Bowser - 8/15/2004 3:00:22 PM
      - No fair teasing him like that! (although the result *was* interesting) (n/t) - McFly - 8/15/2004 1:02:09 AM
- It is time to kill that pest once and for all. - David F Mayer - 8/13/2004 5:52:37 PM
  - Fallujah Groundhog Day or... - phil - 8/13/2004 6:32:24 PM

Najaf Officials Quit in Protest Over U.S.-Led Assault - Lindy - 8/13/2004 9:01:12 PM
- re: Najaf Officials Quit in Protest Over U.S.-Led Assault - gbaikie - 8/14/2004 1:27:56 AM
  - Improvements - gbaikie - 8/14/2004 2:22:31 AM
    - re: Improvements - gb - 8/15/2004 1:13:02 PM
- BTW, I see you've graduated from Truthout.org to al Jazeera. Big improvement. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 9:10:54 PM
  - re: Al Jazeera is necessary for Democracy - Raoul - 8/13/2004 9:47:37 PM
    - No Freedom of Press is Necessary for Democracy - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 1:45:56 PM
  - News is news is news, no matter where you live. - Lindy - 8/13/2004 9:17:43 PM
    - re: News is news is news, no matter where you live. - McFly - 8/14/2004 1:33:39 AM
      - Skepticism is essential - Art Martin - 8/14/2004 4:42:12 AM
        
        I don't think I've ever seen a more feeble defense of Michael Moore in my life. - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 8:16:00 PM
        
        Both Are Zeolots And Untrustworthy - Mark Eby - 8/14/2004 12:24:08 PM
    - And that's why it's a big improvement:) (n/t) - gb - 8/14/2004 1:30:40 AM
    - Know your enemy - Art Martin - 8/13/2004 9:30:30 PM
- So, where's the outrage about Sadr running a military operation out of a holy site? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 9:09:55 PM
  - The US is over there, killing Muslims, and they're defending their ground. - Bowser - 8/14/2004 4:37:57 AM
    - You haven't seen the news in about six weeks, right? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 6:01:27 AM
      - The US ISN'T over there killing Muslims? They aren't in their own country? (n/t) - Bowser - 8/14/2004 2:45:51 PM
        
        re: The insurgents are killing a hell of a lot more Muslim civilians than we are. Keep up. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 8:58:19 PM
  - If the Chinese Invaded US because of our WMD's and they didn't like our President and they wanted to bring us into into communism.......... - Lindy - 8/13/2004 9:14:22 PM

Greenland ice core project yields probable ancient plant remains - Derek - 8/15/2004 6:05:48 AM

America's reception at the Olympics - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 4:33:48 AM

That tough-talking Cheney shoves his foot in it. - Bowser - 8/14/2004 10:34:02 PM
- re: tough-talking - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 10:41:01 PM
  - Kerry is just full of it. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/14/2004 11:19:58 PM
    - Did you read her book? - RobVG - 8/15/2004 3:35:50 AM

Terrorist prisoners to stage hunger strike in Israel - David F Mayer - 8/15/2004 2:59:11 AM

Storm track. Refresh as needed! - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 8:35:14 AM
- National radar loop - Jack Herer - 8/13/2004 2:53:53 PM
  - Am I the only Florida resident who posts here? - Lindy - 8/13/2004 8:00:29 PM
    - Only 20 Miles From The Border and about 10,000 Miles Through It - Mark Eby - 8/15/2004 12:50:01 AM
    - There IS A GOD!!!! - p the cruel - 8/13/2004 9:39:25 PM
      - Oh, shush - Lindy - 8/13/2004 10:22:02 PM
        
        Check that the hill is stable under heavy rain. I speak from California experience. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 11:16:43 PM
        
        Bookmark this for the next nor'easter, Lindy. - Mary Anne - 8/13/2004 10:35:48 PM
    - Stay safe. Don't take chances. Keep us posted. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 9:12:02 PM

Where "terrorism" and drug company profits cross. - Bowser - 8/14/2004 9:14:11 PM

Election timeline - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 8:56:35 PM

"...Illegal but gratifying right hook..." - jms - 8/13/2004 4:22:37 PM
- Tom Tomorrow's stuff should be... - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/13/2004 10:32:56 PM
  - Oh, the irony! - Shepherd - 8/14/2004 5:01:28 PM
  - There are sheep... - jms - 8/14/2004 5:54:00 AM
- What's the big deal? We've seen Bush apply those same fingers to his own nose. (n/t) - McFly - 8/13/2004 5:22:32 PM

Wait! Memory not so "seared" after all! - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 5:12:35 PM
- Gee. Anywhere is SE Asia was closer than Daddy's campaign headquarters. (n/t) - Bowser - 8/14/2004 4:35:09 AM
- Photographic PROOF of Kerry's Excellent Christmas in Cambodier Adventure - phil - 8/13/2004 5:30:02 PM
- From the State Dept's 'Cambodia Man' 1968-72 - Larry J - 8/13/2004 5:24:48 PM
  - Revealed! How JFK got "that hat" - p - 8/13/2004 9:56:17 PM

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