Back 10 or 15 years ago, everyone agreed that CO2 was up and the AGW skeptics did not agree temperature was up. The claim by the climatologists was- increased CO2 would increase temperature- and they presented a causal model based on physics for why this would happen- IR opacity and reflectivity.
15 years later, wow- we are all in agreement that we are warming. But now the new Quibble form the AGW denialist position (held almost uniformly by people who don't work in the field or research and publish in the topic) is 'Oh, Sure- theres warming, but its not caused by the CO2'.
Do you see the problem yet?
Well, lets continue.
We have the observation that CO2 concentrations and global temperatures rise in tandem, dating back into the distant past. On one hand we have a causal mechanism by which CO2 raises temperature. On the other hand we have what? Pixie dust?
Do you have any science showing how increased temperature leads to increased CO2? You do realize that the Denialist camp claimed not 5 years ago that increased temperature will lead to increased CO2 uptake by encouraging global vegetation. Do you have any science attributing the nascent warming trend to anything else?
Occam's Razor obviously is not sharp enough to penetrate the politically fueled arguments here.
Yeti
Current Events » in reply to re: Already seen it
Riddle me this (and this is also for TB)
The whole thread (128 posts)
- just the link in text form
- Such high-pitched emotions
- Hansen's latest paper
- re: just the link in text form
- "SourceWatch.org"? Sounds very reputable.
- It's "A Convienient Lie"
- re: It's not just the blogs
- As TB so helpfully pointed out...
- re: Why shouldn’t I believe these scientist?
- re: Why shouldn't I believe these scientist?
- re: Still, there are quite a number of "wait a minute" things out there in the science, work done by real and responsible scientists, and these need to be discussed on a case-by-case basis, not by si…
- I have never claimed that science was a democracy...
- Okay, let's skip to the politics
- It is a political issue
- re: Which facts
- A good place to start
- re: Already seen it
- re: Already seen it
- "What proof is there that CO2 is causing the earth to warm?"
- re: That's not true
- LOL I encourage everyone to look at the link- It really makes my point
- Ummm, ooookaayy... just one thing before I reply
- re: That's not true
- Break it down.
- re: Break it down.
- never mind (n/t)
- re: Break it down.
- We're talking parts per million
- "THe effects on temperature are negligible at best. "- That is nonsense, the science says otherwise...
- No we are not talking parts per million. And anyway, how would you know SteveS' objection till he has voiced it.
- CO2 levels are around 380 ppm (parts per MILLION)
- More used to seeing it as a percent. (n/t)
- CO2 levels are around 380 ppm (parts per MILLION)
- re: Break it down.
- "What proof is there that CO2 is causing the earth to warm?"
- A good place to start
- I have never claimed that science was a democracy...
- re: Still, there are quite a number of "wait a minute" things out there in the science, work done by real and responsible scientists, and these need to be discussed on a case-by-case basis, not by si…
- re: Why shouldn't I believe these scientist?
- Most of those organizations don't put the question to a vote by their members.
- re: Why shouldn’t I believe these scientist?
- That won't work.
- re: It's not just the blogs
- As TB so helpfully pointed out...
- re: It's "A Convienient Lie"
- Global warming.
- "for some reason believe that the issue of Global Warming is a political one"
- re: It's not just the blogs
