The sun emits much more energy than my oven. So it must be the sun that heated my leftover lasagna.

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The sun emits much more energy than my oven. So it must be the sun that heated my leftover lasagna.

alcaray — 4/2/2008 2:46:56 AM (archived)

Think of a good argument. There are better ones out there.

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just the link in text form - JEKing - 3/31/2008 7:11:21 AM
- Such high-pitched emotions - JEKing - 4/1/2008 10:17:51 PM
  - I will bet you any amount of money that it will not happen. - alcaray - 4/2/2008 6:37:52 AM
    - I'm with alcaray - TB - 4/3/2008 3:35:22 PM
    - re: I will bet you any amount of money that it will not happen. - JEKing - 4/3/2008 6:57:11 AM
      - You describe a typical convention for either party. (n/t) - alcaray - 4/3/2008 6:13:55 PM
- Hansen's latest paper - TB - 4/1/2008 3:12:10 PM
- re: just the link in text form - Rational Mind - 3/31/2008 1:58:11 PM
  - "SourceWatch.org"? Sounds very reputable. - The Silent Majority - 4/1/2008 2:31:58 AM
  - It's "A Convienient Lie" - ARRELL - 3/31/2008 3:50:55 PM
    - re: It's not just the blogs - SteveS - 4/1/2008 12:40:50 AM
      - As TB so helpfully pointed out... - ARRELL - 4/1/2008 2:51:51 AM
        
        re: Why shouldnâ€™t I believe these scientist? - SteveS - 4/1/2008 1:49:59 PM
        
        re: Why shouldn't I believe these scientist? - TB - 4/1/2008 2:28:09 PM
        
        re: Still, there are quite a number of "wait a minute" things out there in the science, work done by real and responsible scientists, and these need to be discussed on a case-by-case basis, not by si… - Lee - 4/1/2008 5:01:34 PM
        
        I have never claimed that science was a democracy... - ARRELL - 4/1/2008 5:23:05 PM
        
        Okay, let's skip to the politics - TB - 4/1/2008 11:40:36 PM
        
        I thought we already had long ago... (n/t) - Yeti - 4/2/2008 2:24:03 AM
        
        Actually, most people here are pretty much ignoring it. (n/t) - TB - 4/2/2008 3:34:21 AM
        
        It is a political issue - Lee - 4/1/2008 8:02:06 PM
        
        re: Which facts - SteveS - 4/1/2008 7:23:43 PM
        
        A good place to start - ARRELL - 4/1/2008 7:45:00 PM
        
        re: Already seen it - SteveS - 4/1/2008 9:33:56 PM
        
        Riddle me this (and this is also for TB) - Yeti - 4/2/2008 2:10:36 PM
        
        re: Riddle me this (and this is also for TB) - gbaikie - 4/2/2008 11:21:26 PM
        
        re: Riddle me this (and this is also for TB) - SteveS - 4/2/2008 10:15:46 PM
        
        Post your sources, please, if you wish me to do your homework for you. (n/t) - Yeti - 4/3/2008 2:35:05 AM
        
        re: Did it answer your riddle or not? - SteveS - 4/3/2008 12:55:20 PM
        
        re: "I don;t have the links.... but they're from NASA!" - Yeti - 4/3/2008 3:26:58 PM
        
        Allow me.,, - TB - 4/3/2008 3:54:12 PM
        
        re: Allow me.,, - SteveS - 4/3/2008 7:11:16 PM
        
        NASA paper - TB - 4/3/2008 8:26:26 PM
        
        Sooo... - Yeti - 4/3/2008 4:18:52 PM
        
        re:I was not being dishonest! - SteveS - 4/3/2008 5:27:14 PM
        
        Okay, maybe not - Yeti - 4/3/2008 7:05:58 PM
        
        re: Riddle me this (and this is also for TB) - SteveS - 4/2/2008 4:48:19 PM
        
        This isn't going to get you anywhere. - TB - 4/2/2008 9:43:49 PM
        
        re: Weâ€™ll see - SteveS - 4/3/2008 1:32:07 AM
        
        Apocryphal - Yeti - 4/3/2008 2:37:08 AM
        
        re: No, real - SteveS - 4/3/2008 1:01:12 PM
        
        It appears - Yeti - 4/3/2008 3:43:36 PM
        
        re: It appears - SteveS - 4/3/2008 6:11:08 PM
        
        Oh, C'mon. Think about the argument you are making - Yeti - 4/3/2008 7:02:34 PM
        
        Careers - TB - 4/3/2008 4:08:39 PM
        
        re: Your standards of what is defined as "ruining a career" are a bit stiff. - Yeti - 4/3/2008 4:24:11 PM
        
        It's hard to believe you work at a university. - TB - 4/3/2008 9:14:16 PM
        
        So essentially - Yeti - 4/4/2008 7:48:50 PM
        
        re: So essentially - TB - 4/4/2008 11:53:47 PM
        
        Woha. What do you want to discuss? - Yeti - 4/2/2008 6:49:29 PM
        
        re: Riddle me this (and this is also for TB) - TB - 4/2/2008 3:20:40 PM
        
        re: Already seen it - SteveS - 4/1/2008 9:33:18 PM
        
        "What proof is there that CO2 is causing the earth to warm?" - ARRELL - 4/1/2008 10:33:41 PM
        
        re: That's not true - SteveS - 4/2/2008 1:26:44 AM
        
        LOL I encourage everyone to look at the link- It really makes my point - ARRELL - 4/2/2008 3:35:28 AM
        
        You're a lot more comfortable at this level, aren't you? - TB - 4/2/2008 4:25:18 AM
        
        :) nope, but the paper is oviously at the level you and steve are comfortable with - ARRELL - 4/2/2008 4:33:06 AM
        
        Running on bluff now, are we? (n/t) - TB - 4/2/2008 5:03:13 AM
        
        Did you even read the paper? And you are claiming Arrel is bluffing this? - Yeti - 4/2/2008 1:29:21 PM
        
        No. Neither did you. - TB - 4/2/2008 2:57:31 PM
        
        Re: "neither did you" - Oh, bullshit. Now you're trying to bluster your way out. Doing exactly what you accused RL of doing. - Yeti - 4/2/2008 3:21:51 PM
        
        What bluster? I said I didn't read it. - TB - 4/2/2008 5:12:11 PM
        
        The bluster: Claiming I didn't read it- that I just googled up a refutation - Yeti - 4/2/2008 6:57:56 PM
        
        No, but the paper does... - ARRELL - 4/2/2008 5:43:09 AM
        
        re: Thanks for the link - SteveS - 4/2/2008 5:32:56 PM
        
        Ummm, ooookaayy... just one thing before I reply - ARRELL - 4/2/2008 3:06:13 AM
        
        Break it down. - alcaray - 4/1/2008 10:10:09 PM
        
        re: Break it down. - gbaikie - 4/2/2008 5:01:58 AM
        
        never mind (n/t) - alcaray - 4/2/2008 6:06:51 AM
        
        re: Break it down. - SteveS - 4/2/2008 12:32:06 AM
        
        Oh... my... god... you were really serious about that link? - ARRELL - 4/2/2008 3:47:02 AM
        
        I don't think the paper says that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. - alcaray - 4/2/2008 3:25:24 AM
        
        We're talking parts per million - Lee - 4/1/2008 11:40:52 PM
        
        "THe effects on temperature are negligible at best. "- That is nonsense, the science says otherwise... - ARRELL - 4/2/2008 12:00:18 AM
        
        They haven't worked it out. - Lee - 4/2/2008 12:20:57 AM
        
        No we are not talking parts per million. And anyway, how would you know SteveS' objection till he has voiced it. - alcaray - 4/1/2008 11:51:57 PM
        
        CO2 levels are around 380 ppm (parts per MILLION) - Lee - 4/2/2008 12:12:25 AM
        
        More used to seeing it as a percent. (n/t) - alcaray - 4/2/2008 12:26:25 AM
        
        Think about this. - Lee - 4/2/2008 12:39:44 AM
        
        re: Think about this. - gbaikie - 4/2/2008 3:31:52 AM
        
        That is a problem isn't it. - Lee - 4/2/2008 4:22:35 AM
        
        Why do you need an exact number to start to worry? - alcaray - 4/2/2008 4:33:56 AM
        
        re: Why do you need an exact number to start to worry? - gbaikie - 4/2/2008 6:29:17 AM
        
        As usual... - alcaray - 4/2/2008 6:52:52 AM
        
        re: As usual... - gbaikie - 4/2/2008 8:20:35 AM
        
        try again - alcaray - 4/2/2008 5:00:02 PM
        
        re: try again - gbaikie - 4/2/2008 9:22:14 PM
        
        And like a poll. - Lee - 4/2/2008 6:12:34 AM
        
        Real world solutions? - alcaray - 4/2/2008 6:43:46 AM
        
        Posted that last one before it was done - sorry. - alcaray - 4/2/2008 6:46:38 AM
        
        To be fair to the scientists - Lee - 4/2/2008 5:11:04 PM
        
        You don't think they could be genuinely concerned? (n/t) - alcaray - 4/2/2008 10:29:33 PM
        
        The sun emits much more energy than my oven. So it must be the sun that heated my leftover lasagna. - alcaray - 4/2/2008 2:46:56 AM
        
        re: You got one of those outdoor ovens? - SteveS - 4/2/2008 11:08:08 PM
        
        re: "Water vapor is a far more effective green house gas than CO2." - Yeti - 4/2/2008 1:28:18 AM
        
        Most of those organizations don't put the question to a vote by their members. - Lee - 4/1/2008 3:24:59 AM
        
        Riiiiiight.... its all a big conspiracy of those evil scientists - ARRELL - 4/1/2008 4:06:31 AM
        
        No Conspiracy just fact. - Lee - 4/1/2008 5:08:21 AM
        
        Amazing.... and all those other scientist just remain silent?! lol - ARRELL - 4/1/2008 5:51:27 AM
      - That won't work. - TB - 4/1/2008 2:18:49 AM
      - re: It's not just the blogs - scientist - 4/1/2008 2:05:25 AM
        
        re: That's the whole point - SteveS - 4/1/2008 1:00:16 PM
        
        I Agree with TB. You need to pick a consistent handle and use it. (n/t) - Yeti - 4/1/2008 2:57:13 AM
        
        Pick a handle and stick to it. (n/t) - TB - 4/1/2008 2:26:09 AM
    - re: It's "A Convienient Lie" - gbaikie - 3/31/2008 6:43:59 PM
      - re: It's "A Convienient Lie" - No Foolin - 3/31/2008 6:46:47 PM
    - Global warming. - Lee - 3/31/2008 5:48:14 PM
      - And from Geenland. - Lee - 3/31/2008 6:16:04 PM
        
        Make that Greenland - Lee - 3/31/2008 6:17:42 PM
        
        re: Make that Greenland - adult - 3/31/2008 6:29:17 PM
        
        Snide remarks is a poor argument. - Lee - 3/31/2008 6:46:37 PM
        
        re: Snide remarks is a poor argument. - adult - 3/31/2008 6:48:48 PM
        
        Pick a handle and stick to it. I don't know who you think you're fooling. - TB - 3/31/2008 8:29:40 PM
      - And from Austria - Lee - 3/31/2008 6:15:08 PM
      - re: Global warming. - No Nonsense - 3/31/2008 5:53:24 PM
    - "for some reason believe that the issue of Global Warming is a political one" - TB - 3/31/2008 4:16:49 PM
      - Dont be an idiot - ARRELL - 3/31/2008 4:30:17 PM
        
        re: Dont be an idiot - TB - 3/31/2008 5:24:34 PM
        
        re: Dont be an idiot - et - 3/31/2008 5:45:50 PM
        
        re: Dont be an idiot - gbaikie - 4/1/2008 12:17:01 AM
        
        Too easy: "He may be a scientist [doubtful actually] but his job is as an manager. " - ARRELL - 4/1/2008 4:15:55 AM
        
        re: Too easy: "He may be a scientist [doubtful actually] but his job is as an manager. " - gbaikie - 4/1/2008 8:54:42 AM
        
        It really isn't an act, is it.....? - ARRELL - 4/1/2008 9:24:27 AM
        
        re: It really isn't an act, is it.....? - gbaikie - 4/2/2008 12:14:02 AM
        
        Evidence? I see no Evidence! - Tony - 4/1/2008 12:52:00 PM
        
        re: It really isn't an act, is it.....? - O Merka - 4/1/2008 12:43:46 PM
        
        Not sure who you are... - ARRELL - 4/1/2008 4:37:31 PM
        
        What's your point? - TB - 3/31/2008 8:34:20 PM
        
        re: Dont be an idiot - Rational Being - 3/31/2008 5:21:36 PM

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