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Obviously...the biggest Current Event is the DEATH OF THE HABITABLEZONE.COM - Lindy - 8/29/2009 1:13:53 AM
- Not death... - The Doctor - 8/29/2009 1:17:57 AM

Another great article on the health care issue - TB - 8/27/2009 6:14:52 PM
- An interesting aside on this subject. - Bowser - 8/27/2009 7:47:39 PM
  - Actually... - TB - 8/27/2009 9:49:47 PM
  - When will I be able to teach all of you (libs and cons) to stop generalizing! - Eri - 8/27/2009 9:33:03 PM
    - My requirement for universal health care - FrankC - 8/28/2009 5:25:05 PM
      - Good luck on that one. - TB - 8/28/2009 5:31:19 PM
        
        exactly - FrankC - 8/28/2009 5:58:02 PM
    - Here's another one for you. - Bowser - 8/28/2009 4:15:04 PM
      - If you can deliver universal health care to 300 million people for $100 billion a year, get back to us. (n/t) - TB - 8/28/2009 4:30:34 PM
        
        (shuffle, shuffle) TB's Used Car Lot & Card Parlor. 19th, 20th and 21st century versions. - Bowser - 8/28/2009 9:33:42 PM
        
        It's fun when you start speaking in tongues (n/t) - TB - 8/28/2009 10:14:37 PM
        
        Hey, $2 trillion would be a start, wouldn't it? Of course it would. (n/t) - Bowser - 8/28/2009 4:47:52 PM
        
        It isn't $2 trillion. - TB - 8/28/2009 5:11:30 PM
        
        Let's try this. There are people on these boards living with single-payer health insurance. - Bowser - 8/28/2009 5:24:43 PM
    - someday ;) (n/t) - Jody - 8/28/2009 2:27:46 PM
- Oh good grief - Eri - 8/27/2009 7:30:44 PM

Social Security under Obama: No Cost of Living Increases - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/28/2009 9:16:05 PM
- It's not like Obama decided this. - TB - 8/28/2009 9:32:21 PM
- Um, Social Security adjustments are dictated by CPI stats released by the Dept. of Labor and the President has nothing to do with it... (n/t) - z - 8/28/2009 9:25:54 PM
  - Nice try. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/28/2009 9:28:51 PM
    - Bowser tried that one on me. - TB - 8/28/2009 9:35:59 PM
      - The Executive Branch isn't staffed with lots of Republicans. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/28/2009 9:56:54 PM
    - Popularity Link - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/28/2009 9:33:34 PM
- Link - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/28/2009 9:24:45 PM

Bill would give president emergency control of Internet - TB - 8/28/2009 3:39:49 PM
- Don't like it, but don't blame Obama - dtb - 8/28/2009 8:13:05 PM
- Nobody objected when Bush ordered all commercial air traffic grounded on 9/11 - z - 8/28/2009 8:01:16 PM
- It seems to boil down to who you trust. - Bowser - 8/28/2009 6:52:55 PM
  - Or to be more accurate, which party is in power. (n/t) - TB - 8/28/2009 7:37:24 PM
    - Close to the same thing. There are some Republican's I might trust. (n/t) - Bowser - 8/28/2009 8:19:50 PM
- Come FULL CIRCLE - carl - 8/28/2009 5:38:07 PM

"How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Gigantic Deficits" - Paul Krugman - 8/25/2009 4:39:58 AM
- Growing the economy...... - Publius - 8/25/2009 2:56:27 PM
- And for a little perspective... - TB - 8/25/2009 4:50:43 AM
  - We need to remember Obama has been having to clean up Bush's legacy. - Bowser - 8/25/2009 5:20:15 AM
    - "Bush did it" - TB - 8/25/2009 5:41:09 AM
      - When do we restore the upper bracket rate? - E.P. - 8/28/2009 8:02:06 PM
      - Thanks for the belly laugh. - Eri - 8/26/2009 2:53:59 AM
        
        You can question all you like. - TB - 8/26/2009 4:53:30 AM
      - What A Dumb Comment - Marsby - 8/25/2009 10:03:13 PM
      - "if you are presented with a leaky boat in the middle of the ocean"... - Lindy - 8/25/2009 2:44:32 PM
        
        Defense Department - TB - 8/25/2009 5:18:47 PM
      - Thank you George Bush... Really... - Buck Galaxy - 8/25/2009 6:41:00 AM

Another British health care "anecdote" - TB - 8/26/2009 7:05:26 PM
- From what perspective are you arguing this? - Jefferson-Washington - 8/27/2009 3:05:12 PM
- And another... - Doug Ellison - 8/27/2009 11:03:38 AM
  - A U.S. survey on health care ratings - TB - 8/27/2009 6:46:06 PM
- Please, TB. IF ONE TRULY GAVE A DAMN about those people one would see it doesn't happen in your own country. - Bowser - 8/26/2009 7:57:27 PM
  - re: Please, TB. IF ONE TRULY GAVE A DAMN about those people one would see it doesn't happen in your own country. - TB - 8/26/2009 8:53:02 PM
    - So 6,938 is an acceptable number of women denied appropriate care during childbirth. - Mary Anne - 8/28/2009 2:59:33 PM
      - Oh, for God's sake. - TB - 8/28/2009 3:35:10 PM
        
        No, for people's sake. - Mary Anne - 8/28/2009 4:37:16 PM
        
        Beautifully written. - TB - 8/28/2009 5:28:34 PM
        
        Now, you do know I have never said I favor single-payer health care. - Mary Anne - 8/28/2009 5:39:10 PM
        
        re: Now, you do know I have never said I favor single-payer health care. - TB - 8/28/2009 6:22:34 PM
    - Any questions? - Doug Ellison - 8/26/2009 10:32:48 PM
      - Hey Doug I'm having a prob with your website - Buck Galaxy - 8/27/2009 3:56:51 AM
        
        DONE! (n/t) - Doug Ellison - 8/27/2009 7:08:56 AM
      - Bowser asked a question. I answered it. - TB - 8/26/2009 11:13:04 PM
- Are we proposing to cut health spending in half? - dtb - 8/26/2009 7:43:37 PM
  - See my post above. - Lee - 8/27/2009 1:39:19 AM
  - re: cut health spending in half - TB - 8/26/2009 8:54:33 PM
    - You're still dodging the point - dtb - 8/26/2009 9:16:06 PM
      - We will get less service for more money. How else can I put it? - TB - 8/26/2009 11:23:54 PM
        
        You lose. (n/t) - Eri - 8/27/2009 12:57:11 AM

Universal Healthcare. - Lee - 8/27/2009 1:10:07 AM
- This needs to be bumped up as well. (n/t) - Lee - 8/28/2009 4:54:36 PM

Banks "too big to fail" are even bigger. - TB - 8/28/2009 3:19:39 PM

Great Article on the Health Care Issue - Eri - 8/27/2009 2:53:38 PM
- Bumping this back into the active column. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 8/28/2009 3:11:25 PM

Ted Kennedy, architect for healthcare disaster. - Lee - 8/27/2009 5:13:35 AM
- There is no higher duty of government than to insure the welfare of it's citizens. - Bowser - 8/27/2009 6:23:27 AM
  - Bankrupting people isn't insuring their welfare. - Lee - 8/27/2009 11:41:51 AM
    - Exactly. "Current ArticleSubscribeAARP: 1.85 Million Americans Go Bankrupt Due To Medical Bills In One Year" - Bowser - 8/27/2009 4:07:15 PM
      - Good Lord. How many times have we gone over the Warren paper? (n/t) - TB - 8/27/2009 4:15:20 PM

Reagan on Medicare, 1961 - Buck Galaxy - 8/27/2009 6:03:28 AM

Ted Kennedy dead. No print stories yet. - Bowser - 8/26/2009 5:33:55 AM
- Possibly the most effective Senator in US history - z - 8/26/2009 12:34:45 PM
  - I don't like to admit this, but I feel less safe with him gone. Odd. (n/t) - Bowser - 8/27/2009 4:24:41 AM
  - Moses and the Promised Land - Eri - 8/27/2009 1:03:46 AM
  - Who's the Next Generation of Kennedy's? - carl - 8/26/2009 2:11:14 PM
    - re: Who's the Next Generation of Kennedy's? - It's US. (n/t) - Marcia - 8/26/2009 9:27:10 PM
      - re: Who's the Next Generation of Kennedy's? - It's US. - Marcia - 8/26/2009 9:32:42 PM
        
        re: Who's the Next Generation of Kennedy's? - It's US. - Marcia - 8/26/2009 11:14:19 PM

Republican health care bill - TB - 8/24/2009 10:48:16 PM
- Just Curious???? - Publius - 8/25/2009 3:33:04 PM
  - re: Just Curious - TB - 8/25/2009 5:42:33 PM
  - Again, how can you compete against someone who's also the referee? - Lee - 8/25/2009 4:59:06 PM
    - ask Bupa, PruHealth, Axa PPP, Aviva - Doug Elliso - 8/26/2009 7:58:57 AM
    - FedEx and UPS do a fine job - Buck Galaxy - 8/25/2009 5:55:08 PM
      - If you want real competition... - TB - 8/25/2009 6:50:53 PM
        
        Yes, let's make insurance companies bigger and fewer. - alcaray - 8/25/2009 9:58:57 PM
        
        What's the problem with that? - TB - 8/25/2009 10:17:13 PM
        
        And truly: do you see no problem with bigger and fewer? (n/t) - alcaray - 8/26/2009 6:21:05 PM
        
        No we aren't. (n/t) - alcaray - 8/26/2009 6:20:08 PM
        
        "the "public option" being just a step toward total government control" - Buck Galaxy - 8/25/2009 8:10:53 PM
        
        "Most doctors I've talked to" - TB - 8/25/2009 8:27:22 PM
        
        Well then. - Lee - 8/25/2009 8:18:10 PM
        
        re: If you want real competition... - Buck Galaxy - 8/25/2009 8:01:52 PM
        
        "The only way to get the single payer people on board is to tell them that." - TB - 8/25/2009 8:27:00 PM
        
        In short... - TB - 8/25/2009 6:54:59 PM
- Has it been endorsed by the GOP leadership? - Buck Galaxy - 8/25/2009 12:36:39 AM
  - Heh. What leadership? - TB - 8/25/2009 2:06:32 AM

"Dying for affordable healthcare..." - Eri - 8/23/2009 11:33:48 PM
- If they can't aford insurance, then a cross country trip is out of the question. - Lee - 8/24/2009 1:49:51 AM
  - Exactly. And that is why they're not being heard. (n/t) - Eri - 8/24/2009 2:01:31 AM
    - Just curious - Lee - 8/24/2009 2:08:39 AM
      - re: Just curious - TB - 8/24/2009 4:49:04 AM
        
        Most likely spent all his money trying to find out what what wrong with him. - Eri - 8/24/2009 1:59:02 PM
        
        re: Most likely spent all his money trying to find out what what wrong with him. - TB - 8/24/2009 4:08:08 PM
        
        as anecdotes go - FrankC - 8/24/2009 6:00:58 PM

White House to finally release new budget projections - TB - 8/22/2009 7:15:40 PM
- Never forget Obama's just a puppet. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/24/2009 10:06:12 AM
- Lower projected tax revenues - Buck Galaxy - 8/23/2009 4:51:50 AM
  - Huh? What?? How??? - Lee - 8/23/2009 7:05:55 AM
    - A lot of Democrats have kind of "left the building." - TB - 8/23/2009 6:46:41 PM
      - No one with half a brain expected Obama to undo the mess he was handed in six months. (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 8/23/2009 9:59:52 PM
        
        I expected what did happen: he made it worse. - TB - 8/23/2009 10:21:04 PM
      - Recession - alcaray - 8/23/2009 8:25:28 PM
        
        What about "decreasing taxation?" - TB - 8/23/2009 8:34:21 PM
        
        In a thread where you gripe about deficits you now advocate tax cuts. - Buck Galaxy - 8/23/2009 10:53:52 PM
        
        Tax cuts generate more overall revenues. Look at the record. (n/t) - TB - 8/24/2009 12:10:09 AM
        
        Bush's record? Explain how that helps your argument. (n/t) - alcaray - 8/24/2009 7:18:00 AM
        
        Look at the revenues. - TB - 8/24/2009 4:14:50 PM
        
        Obama did so, on the whole. You got a tax cut yourself, right? (n/t) - alcaray - 8/23/2009 10:51:11 PM
- re:Yes But Magic Health Care will ultimately save billions. - Baroke Obama - 8/23/2009 2:46:22 AM
- Yes, and MOST of these "stimulus" programs will stay forever. - David F Mayer - 8/23/2009 2:22:47 AM
- Yes, and MOST of these "stimulus" programs will stay forever. - David F Mayer - 8/23/2009 2:17:25 AM

Michelle Obama is eating. No cameras, please. - TB - 8/23/2009 9:08:22 PM
- Photo of people w/cameras and phones that day - dtb - 8/23/2009 11:22:48 PM
  - re: Photo of people w/cameras and phones that day - E.P. - 8/24/2009 3:43:11 PM
- NY Times also reports customers were taking photos - dtb - 8/23/2009 11:14:02 PM
- Original source? Conflicts w/NBC report - dtb - 8/23/2009 11:10:03 PM
  - You make a good point - TB - 8/23/2009 11:20:21 PM
- OMG, you people LOOK for something to criticize! - Eri - 8/23/2009 9:24:46 PM
  - Do you think your personal phone should be confiscated in a public place? (n/t) - TB - 8/23/2009 10:18:59 PM
    - You people are so desperate, you'll make up anything. (n/t) - Eri - 8/23/2009 11:15:40 PM

Dems to ram public option through with 51 votes - Buck Galaxy - 8/19/2009 3:33:29 AM
- Luft - JEKing - 8/19/2009 11:50:18 PM
  - So when Magic care comes to town can I quit my job? (n/t) - Baroke Obama - 8/22/2009 2:06:09 AM
    - re: So when Magic care comes... - JEKing - 8/23/2009 8:11:06 PM
      - Sweet. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/23/2009 11:22:56 PM
      - O, the hysteria! (n/t) - alcaray - 8/23/2009 8:27:25 PM
  - re: Luft - TB - 8/20/2009 12:33:43 AM
    - Thanks for expanding the topic, TB. At least Luft is working with the nuts and bolts. (n/t) (n/t) - JEKing - 8/20/2009 8:17:30 PM
- Story here - Buck Galaxy - 8/19/2009 3:37:34 PM
- Someday we'll all look back and realize how completely insane it was... - z - 8/19/2009 11:59:08 AM
  - The solution to your example is simple, if brutal: - Mary Anne - 8/21/2009 7:23:54 PM
    - The example stunk. - TB - 8/22/2009 7:13:10 AM
  - Preventative care - TB - 8/19/2009 4:35:03 PM
  - Nah, people like Tom will still be bitching about it and finding fault. - Eri - 8/19/2009 12:52:55 PM
    - re: people like Tom - TB - 8/19/2009 4:13:31 PM
      - And how do people become homeless, pray? - Mary Anne - 8/21/2009 7:41:30 PM
        
        "people who fall into none of those categories" - TB - 8/22/2009 8:08:33 AM
    - People like Tom will end up using the public option (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 8/19/2009 3:36:07 PM
      - After the government methodically destroys the private ones, probably. - TB - 8/19/2009 5:40:35 PM
- Oh, *please* let them try that! (n/t) - TB - 8/19/2009 4:01:21 AM
  - They have the votes, and the other side refuses to deal - Buck Galaxy - 8/19/2009 4:07:40 AM
    - "Refuses to deal?" - TB - 8/19/2009 4:13:31 AM
      - re: "Refuses to deal?" - Eri - 8/19/2009 12:57:25 PM
      - It's now or never for health care reform - Buck Galaxy - 8/19/2009 5:17:07 AM
- I doubt they'll get it. - Lee - 8/19/2009 3:54:39 AM

September 15 is drop dead date for bipartisan healthcare reform - Buck Galaxy - 8/22/2009 3:43:56 AM
- It'll pass in some form, then the deficits will come home to roost. - Lee - 8/22/2009 7:03:35 AM
  - What you describe is exactly what will happen WITHOUT reform. (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 8/22/2009 7:13:52 AM
    - They're running $1.5 TRILLION deficits now. - Lee - 8/22/2009 9:33:53 AM
- Endgame strategies - Buck Galaxy - 8/22/2009 3:49:49 AM
  - re: Endgame strategies - Marcia - 8/22/2009 4:12:09 AM
    - People who like their health insurance can keep it. (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 8/22/2009 4:30:51 AM
      - For a while. - TB - 8/22/2009 6:31:20 AM
        
        re: For a while. - Doug Ellison - 8/22/2009 10:35:39 AM
        
        re: For a while. - TB - 8/22/2009 6:55:21 PM
        
        Private insurance will have an opportunity to prove if they deliver any value to the system - Buck Galaxy - 8/22/2009 7:15:31 AM
        
        You're not hearing any of this, are you? - TB - 8/22/2009 7:24:24 AM
        
        Your example - Buck Galaxy - 8/22/2009 4:06:22 PM
        
        So what happens - Lee - 8/22/2009 6:33:07 PM
        
        Ways to compete - Buck Galaxy - 8/23/2009 1:36:11 AM
        
        Where are you getting these numbers? - TB - 8/23/2009 4:18:53 AM

An American Perspective on British NHS - Eri - 8/22/2009 6:43:33 PM
- Since it's free, we should put all americans on the plan - BAroke Obama - 8/23/2009 2:55:46 AM
- And then... - TB - 8/22/2009 6:59:33 PM
  - re: And then... - Doug Ellison - 8/22/2009 7:23:00 PM
    - Me too. - Eri - 8/22/2009 8:57:58 PM

Government approves new AIG CEO salary - TB - 8/20/2009 3:22:57 AM
- Outrageous! - Lindy - 8/22/2009 4:00:05 PM
- Absurd. Another government giveaway to the rich businesscrooks. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 8/21/2009 1:40:44 PM
- Performance Bonus? - YouGottaBe Kidding - 8/20/2009 3:58:10 AM

How government will "compete" with private insurance companies - TB - 8/19/2009 4:15:02 PM
- As far as I am concerned, private insurance companies can all go to hell. - David F Mayer - 8/21/2009 1:39:19 PM
  - The federal government should insure property. autos, lives, crops. etc... - Baaroke Obama - 8/22/2009 1:48:33 AM
    - Heck, we can even insure currency swaps! AIG has nothing on Me! - Baroke no more Obama - 8/22/2009 1:54:36 AM
  - re: private insurance companies - TB - 8/21/2009 4:28:50 PM
    - Already non profit - Buck Galaxy - 8/22/2009 12:27:30 AM
      - "Hundreds of billions?" - TB - 8/22/2009 6:25:31 AM
      - Just think of what you'll save on auto insurance when you pay for it along with your new federal drivers license - Barroke no more Obama - 8/22/2009 1:50:41 AM
    - Right. And those are the ones who pay their claims. The rest are scum. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 8/21/2009 11:29:38 PM
      - If you don't like unpaid claims then you won't like medicare (n/t) - Baroke Back Obama - 8/22/2009 1:52:06 AM
- "From the Trojan Horse's mouth" - TB - 8/19/2009 6:12:13 PM
  - There will always be people who want a single payer system - Buck Galaxy - 8/20/2009 7:02:27 AM
    - You go girl!!! - Baroke Obama - 8/22/2009 2:03:46 AM
    - re: There will always be people who are economically ignorant - TB - 8/20/2009 8:24:24 AM
      - re: Not to mention that Medicare was designed to squeeze out private insurance just like Obama Care - Baroke Obama - 8/22/2009 2:00:15 AM
      - How can you compete against a competitor who's also the referee? - Lee - 8/20/2009 3:50:24 PM

"Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling" - TB - 8/19/2009 6:48:20 PM
- re: "Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling" - Unbelievable. - Marcia - 8/22/2009 4:22:16 AM
- Would you rather have China do it? - E.P. - 8/19/2009 9:18:31 PM
  - Either it's about the environment, or it isn't. - TB - 8/19/2009 10:03:24 PM
    - We need domestic sources - E.P. - 8/21/2009 8:38:49 PM
    - Difference betwen "environment" and "pretty neighborhood" - dtb - 8/21/2009 12:04:25 PM
      - re: "environment" - TB - 8/21/2009 4:13:32 PM
      - Because if you ship all of your industry overseas, you're going to have a very weak nation. - Lee - 8/21/2009 3:11:58 PM
        
        Right (n/t) - E.P. - 8/21/2009 8:39:26 PM

Rep Boehlert - E.P. - 8/21/2009 8:35:23 PM

New Blow Job from Bill? - nick hoffman - 8/19/2009 10:05:25 AM
- Yup, but MONICA Gave a GOOD Blow Down Under - carl - 8/19/2009 2:08:42 PM
  - Everythings backwards down here - Nick Hoffman - 8/19/2009 11:51:17 PM
- Nick, you're so bad! - Eri - 8/19/2009 12:48:57 PM
- New York City is at Risk - Lindy - 8/19/2009 12:46:26 PM
  - Full Earth view with Hurricane Bill from newest US weather satellite - Socrates II - 8/19/2009 3:13:37 PM
    - Certainly a contender... - Patiently waiting - 8/20/2009 3:53:23 AM
      - Hurricane Bill may be weakening - Socrates II - 8/21/2009 1:56:55 PM

Getting rid of W's appointees and their cronies - E.P. - 8/19/2009 5:20:43 PM
- BIA? (n/t) - TB - 8/19/2009 5:49:19 PM
  - Yes,, BIA - E.P. - 8/19/2009 9:13:52 PM
    - re: Yes, BIA - TB - 8/19/2009 10:06:31 PM

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