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OBAMA Bi-POLAR!!! - carl - 8/19/2009 7:48:49 PM

The August heatwave in France in 2003 - TB - 8/19/2009 4:53:53 PM

PR firms getting into health care debate - TB - 8/19/2009 4:31:13 AM
- BO Pulled back his TOWNE MEETINGS - carl - 8/19/2009 2:10:22 PM
- Fight fire with fire - Buck Galaxy - 8/19/2009 5:18:56 AM
  - Fighting fire with a conflagration - TB - 8/19/2009 5:25:26 AM

Solutions for healthcare - TB - 8/12/2009 2:59:11 PM
- You gotta ration care to somebody - Baroke Obama - 8/14/2009 1:36:08 AM
  - Repeated lies. (n/t) - alcaray - 8/15/2009 9:44:23 PM
    - Which part is a lie??? Will it be illegal to leave the counrty for better care? (n/t) - Baroke Obama - 8/17/2009 1:19:42 PM
      - The lie is that in a proposed medical bill... - alcaray - 8/17/2009 5:16:15 PM
        
        Well they have to ration care somewhere... - Baroke Obama - 8/18/2009 4:27:20 AM
        
        Doesn't make sense. - alcaray - 8/18/2009 7:36:23 PM
        
        re: proposed medical bill - TB - 8/17/2009 5:52:43 PM
        
        The passage *provides* funds for end of life counseling. - alcaray - 8/17/2009 6:52:00 PM
        
        Sidebar - TB - 8/17/2009 6:26:26 PM
        
        You've never seen a for-profit, physician-owned hosptal in action! - z - 8/17/2009 7:58:26 PM
        
        Dentist - dtb - 8/17/2009 11:46:36 PM
        
        Have you? - TB - 8/17/2009 9:13:48 PM
        
        Sure, physicians at non-profits are pressured to overuse medical services, too - z - 8/18/2009 1:44:28 PM
        
        What exactly do you think surgeons do for a living? (n/t) - alcaray - 8/17/2009 6:53:23 PM
- Healthcare and unintended consequences - FrankC - 8/14/2009 1:16:45 AM
  - re: Healthcare and unintended consequences - Jack Herer - 8/14/2009 3:38:22 PM
    - Its not about money...Its about Logistics. - Baroke Obama - 8/17/2009 1:23:09 PM
    - Yes, and who's making big money in our current broken healthcare system? - z - 8/14/2009 3:52:32 PM
      - Well personally, I don't know a single doctor who is hurting for money... - Baroke Obama - 8/17/2009 1:29:05 PM
        
        One of the biggest problems with US healthcare... - z - 8/17/2009 3:39:28 PM
      - And this will improve when the "big money" is all in Washington? - TB - 8/14/2009 4:07:15 PM
- Which one of those health care ideas are endorsed by the GOP leadership? - Buck Galaxy - 8/13/2009 5:52:00 AM
  - Admmittedly the GOP does have a plan: Those who can pay get treated. - Baroke Obama - 8/14/2009 1:40:00 AM
    - The rich can always get better care. - alcaray - 8/14/2009 1:50:32 AM
      - Well I guess that depends on what we define as minimally adaquae - Baroke Obama - 8/14/2009 1:55:59 AM
        
        It is up to us to set the standard. (n/t) - alcaray - 8/14/2009 2:16:00 AM
        
        I wish it was up to us... But a bunch of foreigner's own the debt that we must finance to pay for our "Standard of care" - Baroke Obama - 8/14/2009 2:21:15 AM
        
        I might actually read your posts seriously if you knew how to spell the President's name. - Eri - 8/15/2009 12:18:48 AM
        
        re: You are correct. I should have more respect for the Leader. Thank you. (n/t) - Broke Obama - 8/17/2009 1:31:23 PM
        
        I don't think the Chinese care. Or maybe they want to sell us medical equipment? (n/t) - alcaray - 8/14/2009 4:16:28 AM
- Btw, more on costs (diabetes) - dtb - 8/12/2009 6:04:01 PM
  - re: Under my plan, Babies will be tested for diabetes. - Baroke Obama - 8/14/2009 1:43:19 AM
  - "Costs" and "expenses" are not the same thing. (n/t) - TB - 8/12/2009 6:12:02 PM
    - re: "Costs" and "expenses" are not the same thing. - dtb - 8/12/2009 6:23:06 PM
      - Insurance - TB - 8/12/2009 7:08:37 PM
        
        Forcing others to pay your medical bills! (n/t) - alcaray - 8/12/2009 8:11:38 PM
        
        There's no "force" here. I still have choices. So far. - TB - 8/12/2009 8:57:44 PM
        
        re: There's no "force" here. I still have choices. So far. - Marcia - 8/12/2009 10:28:28 PM
        
        re: There's no "force" here. I still have choices. So far. - Marcia - 8/12/2009 11:08:45 PM
        
        Fair enough - dtb - 8/12/2009 7:35:50 PM
        
        re: Fair enough - TB - 8/12/2009 8:09:54 PM
        
        On the "every man to himself" point, see Megan McArdle's blog for examples (n/t) - dtb - 8/12/2009 8:26:59 PM
        
        Any particular post? (n/t) - TB - 8/12/2009 9:09:14 PM
- Works for whole foods - dtb - 8/12/2009 4:38:06 PM
  - I used to think that until I had kids... - Baroke Obama - 8/14/2009 2:05:23 AM
  - re: Works for whole foods - TB - 8/12/2009 6:01:53 PM
    - Interesting related comments on the Tree of Liberty quote - Socrates II - 8/13/2009 2:08:55 PM
      - re: comments on the Tree of Liberty quote - TB - 8/13/2009 4:02:20 PM

Traditionally Republican pharmaceutical industry group endorses the Obama healthcare reform - z - 8/18/2009 2:39:38 PM

Michael Yon: The Kopp-Etchells Effect - TB - 8/18/2009 1:59:01 PM

Obama's faith-based initiatives - TB - 8/17/2009 3:41:50 PM
- I would guess that Obama gets the benefit of the doubt because he's trusted. - Bowser - 8/18/2009 5:38:09 AM
- Well, if Obama ever prays to God, then leads the nation charging blindly into a stupid, disasterous war - z - 8/17/2009 6:41:54 PM
  - I know where Obama went to church for years - TB - 8/17/2009 6:49:58 PM

Gallup, conservatives rule? - FrankC - 8/17/2009 11:09:19 PM
- I think you'd be right. - Eri - 8/18/2009 3:48:43 AM

US MAIL, Bureaucracy & Healthcare - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/14/2009 7:21:07 PM
- Should be on Flame (n/t) - Please move - 8/15/2009 1:47:12 AM
  - Lindy, it doesn't matter where it ends up. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/15/2009 10:40:35 PM
    - Why would anyone read your long diatribe? - Lindy - 8/16/2009 3:52:16 PM
      - "nor do we read... " - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/17/2009 12:12:20 AM

Berlin: Bolt 9.58 - Raoul - 8/16/2009 8:01:44 PM

"Big Pharm" backing Obamacare? - TB - 8/15/2009 8:29:11 PM
- And it's the 47 million unemployed Americans in poverty who will suffer. (n/t) - Jefferson-Washington - 8/15/2009 11:21:01 PM

Questions for TB - David F Mayer - 8/12/2009 2:46:29 AM
- re: I will answer the questions! - Baroke Obama - 8/14/2009 2:15:44 AM
  - Absolute Bull - Marsby - 8/15/2009 10:45:00 PM
- [Subject line above has been edited] - RobertS - 8/12/2009 5:00:02 PM
- I'm tired, David. - TB - 8/12/2009 4:42:59 AM
- Dude! Use his handle! - alcaray - 8/12/2009 3:41:04 AM

Republicans must think that Winston Churchill was a dangerous Socialist! - z - 8/15/2009 12:33:28 AM
- Again... - TB - 8/15/2009 4:58:58 AM
  - You missed the whole point of why Churchill helped create the NHS - z - 8/15/2009 5:32:08 PM
    - re: Every citizen and legal resident... - Lee - 8/15/2009 7:40:11 PM
    - re: You missed the whole point - TB - 8/15/2009 5:55:27 PM
- Churchill also used the passengers of the Lusitania as human shields and propaganda pawns to lure the US into fighting Britain's war. - Lee - 8/15/2009 1:07:11 AM

Another Venezuela update - TB - 8/15/2009 4:52:45 PM

"Canada Needs Sperm Donors" - TB - 8/11/2009 5:36:49 PM
- "For every 100 donor candidates only 5 have buggers that swim the right way. " - Lindy - 8/14/2009 12:18:12 AM
- Georgia and Florida? - FrankC - 8/11/2009 11:59:16 PM
  - Earn thousands a week "working" from home! (n/t) - Lee - 8/14/2009 11:42:00 AM
  - Lifetime earning Potential, anyone? (n/t) - Nick Hoffman - 8/14/2009 4:13:18 AM
  - Snicker. Needing $$? (n/t) - Eri - 8/13/2009 12:21:09 AM
    - Alas, at my age we are talking poverty level at best (n/t) - FrankC - 8/13/2009 10:16:01 PM
      - Awwwwwwww. - Eri - 8/15/2009 1:29:52 AM

IBD: Brits wouldn't have a chance if they lived in Britain - dtb - 8/10/2009 8:12:33 PM
- Hawking - TB - 8/10/2009 8:59:00 PM
  - I'm sure if his IQ were 85 instead on 185 he would have received exactly the same care. - Baroke Obama - 8/14/2009 1:49:20 AM
  - Hawking speaks out: wouldn't be here w/o the NHS - dtb - 8/12/2009 2:42:14 PM
    - If Hawking thinks so, I would say that settles it. - TB - 8/12/2009 6:07:48 PM
      - Hey, I wrote them about the gaffe... - Lindy - 8/14/2009 1:14:15 AM
  - ALS care US vs UK - dtb - 8/10/2009 9:45:20 PM
    - Yes. - Barole Obama - 8/14/2009 1:52:45 AM
  - So there's still choice in Britain, you are saying. (n/t) - alcaray - 8/10/2009 9:09:08 PM

Les PAUL Dies, Father of the Electric Gee-TAR - carl - 8/13/2009 7:01:17 PM

More on Congressional jets - TB - 8/12/2009 6:23:44 PM

GOP on health care - dtb - 8/10/2009 4:56:14 AM
- re: GOP on health care - TB - 8/10/2009 3:14:42 PM
  - KrautHammer on Healthcare - RobVG - 8/11/2009 12:56:00 AM
    - re: KrautHammer on Healthcare - TB - 8/11/2009 4:12:33 AM
- GOP on health care - ER - 8/10/2009 3:00:03 PM
  - deja vu and the brown shirts too! - Publius - 8/10/2009 9:50:02 PM
    - Watch the use of personal names please. - alcaray - 8/11/2009 12:46:14 AM
      - It's okay - TB - 8/11/2009 4:03:15 AM
        
        A rule is a rule. - alcaray - 8/11/2009 4:38:04 AM
    - re: deja vu - TB - 8/10/2009 11:21:52 PM
      - can you spell l-e-g-t-i-m-a-c-y ? - Publius - 8/10/2009 11:47:45 PM
        
        re: can you spell "f-a-i-l?" - TB - 8/11/2009 4:01:20 AM
      - can you spell l-e-g-t-i-m-a-c-y ? - Publius - 8/10/2009 11:47:22 PM
        
        You don't see a difference between showing your opinion and keeping others from showing theirs? - alcaray - 8/11/2009 12:48:49 AM
        
        Sorry Pub. Reply was intended to follow TB's post. (n/t) - alcaray - 8/11/2009 12:50:01 AM
  - re: health care - TB - 8/10/2009 3:38:21 PM
    - 60% of bankruptcies are medical bankruptcies. 70% of those had insurance. - Buck Galaxy - 8/11/2009 4:55:20 AM
      - re: 70% of those had insurance. - TB - 8/11/2009 4:33:07 PM
        
        re: 70% of those had insurance. - Buck Galaxy - 8/12/2009 2:40:34 AM
        
        Buck... - TB - 8/12/2009 5:10:41 AM

Bets on Hillary - TB - 8/11/2009 4:49:04 PM
- LOL! Things are just getting good. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/12/2009 2:45:58 AM
- Yeah, she's such a quitter - Buck Galaxy - 8/12/2009 2:42:09 AM
- Around where? - dtb - 8/11/2009 5:07:04 PM

Euro v Sterling Pounds - Raoul - 8/10/2009 8:46:50 PM
- re: Euro v Sterling Pounds - Doug Ellison - 8/10/2009 10:28:45 PM
  - Well, Ireland's an island too, but that didn't stop them from joining the Eurozone - z - 8/11/2009 4:33:47 PM
    - so? (n/t) - Doug Ellison - 8/11/2009 4:44:15 PM
      - The point is that the argument that joining the Eurozone - z - 8/11/2009 5:45:54 PM
        
        Of course they probably wouldn't mind. - Lee - 8/11/2009 6:18:56 PM
        
        Well if the latest season of Britain's Got Talent is any indication - z - 8/12/2009 2:19:29 AM
  - re: Euro v Sterling Pounds - Raoul - 8/11/2009 4:22:31 PM
  - re: Euro v Sterling Pounds - Spacer - 8/10/2009 10:45:43 PM
    - They can call themselves Oceania! (n/t) - ER - 8/11/2009 1:12:00 AM

Mainstream media declares war on Internet - TB - 7/25/2009 8:34:18 PM
- No, big business perverts the free market. - ER - 7/26/2009 1:46:06 PM
  - Where the heck did that come from? - TB - 7/26/2009 7:19:15 PM
  - I am not at my best today - FrankC - 7/26/2009 7:09:49 PM
    - "Mainstream media" is a buzzword. - ER - 7/26/2009 8:29:53 PM
      - I assume you sent it via pm from .net - FrankC - 7/26/2009 8:54:55 PM
  - Patents - RobVG - 7/26/2009 6:58:05 PM
- re: Mainstream media declares war on Internet - NetExpert - 7/26/2009 6:38:46 AM
  - Get information regarding what's going on inside the U.S. from China or Russia ? - Eri - 7/26/2009 5:07:00 PM
    - re: Get information regarding what's going on inside the U.S. from China or Russia ? - NetExpert - 7/26/2009 10:38:31 PM
  - The Chinese, the Russians and the Indians are not worried about profit? - Mary Anne - 7/26/2009 1:05:04 PM
    - re: The Chinese, the Russians and the Indians are not worried about profit? - NetExpert - 7/26/2009 10:35:00 PM
      - I agree, to a point. - Mary Anne - 7/27/2009 12:11:26 AM
        
        re: I agree, to a point. - NetExpert - 7/27/2009 5:32:19 AM
        
        When you can get reliable information out of a war zone and an interview with the President of Russia, let me know. - Mary Anne - 7/27/2009 11:08:47 AM
        
        re:Ahhh, the Arrogance of the Talent - NetExpert - 7/27/2009 8:18:30 PM
        
        Not Rush or Rachel. Real reporters. - Mary Anne - 7/27/2009 9:37:48 PM
        
        re: Real reporters. - TB - 7/27/2009 10:17:24 PM
        
        Thank you. Not free. - Mary Anne - 7/28/2009 2:13:17 AM
- Well, that's going to be a mess if they all do that. - Eri - 7/26/2009 1:19:11 AM
  - Probably not so much. - Mary Anne - 7/26/2009 3:34:20 AM
    - They do. As a former journalist, I'm all for paying them for their work. - Eri - 7/26/2009 4:17:08 AM
      - Chaos - Mary Anne - 7/26/2009 4:20:56 AM
- re: Mainstream media decide to test copyright law. - Mary Anne - 7/26/2009 12:49:51 AM
  - re: Mainstream media decide to test copyright law. - NetExpert - 7/26/2009 10:52:36 PM
    - Copyright law makes no distinctions between news production and other creative work. - Mary Anne - 7/27/2009 12:46:46 AM
      - re: Copyright law makes no distinctions between news production and other creative work. - NetExpert - 7/27/2009 5:10:59 AM
        
        The reason newspapers are in the trouble they are today is that people are not paying them for what they supply. - Mary Anne - 7/27/2009 11:22:18 AM
        
        re: Killing an environmental monster - NetExpert - 7/27/2009 8:31:12 PM
        
        Electricity, Electricity - Mary Anne - 7/27/2009 10:02:29 PM
        
        re: Electricity, Electricity - NetExpert - 7/28/2009 2:13:13 AM
        
        They are collecting data. - Mary Anne - 7/28/2009 3:16:54 AM
        
        re: They are collecting data. - NetExpert - 7/28/2009 6:53:20 AM
        
        Oh, for pete's sake. - Mary Anne - 7/28/2009 12:15:14 PM
        
        You don't get it - NetExpert - 7/29/2009 3:03:57 AM
    - Everyone has a monopoly on their own property. - alcaray - 7/27/2009 12:14:58 AM
      - re: Everyone has a monopoly on their own property. - NetExpert - 7/27/2009 7:08:56 AM
        
        What you make with your very own hands is yours. - alcaray - 7/27/2009 11:40:48 PM
        
        Depends what you make - Nick Hoffman - 7/31/2009 6:22:24 AM
        
        If you make news coverage, and you have a whole worldful of competitors, then you can do what you want with your product. - alcaray - 7/31/2009 6:33:50 PM
        
        The actual issue is at the end of the article. - Mary Anne - 7/27/2009 12:08:01 PM
        
        re: The actual issue is at the end of the article. - NetExpert - 7/27/2009 8:33:31 PM
        
        If Google had written all those books, I would support their position. - Mary Anne - 7/28/2009 2:18:33 AM
        
        re:OPEC owns its oil - NetExpert - 7/28/2009 6:44:15 AM
        
        Yes. Yes it does. - Mary Anne - 7/28/2009 11:52:32 AM
        
        re: Yes. Yes it does. - NetExpert - 7/29/2009 3:30:04 AM
        
        They aren't saying people may not link. - Mary Anne - 7/30/2009 1:49:27 PM
        
        No they are trying to chrage them for doing so... - NetExpert - 7/31/2009 1:51:37 AM
        
        We subscribe through EBSCO and ProQuest already. - Mary Anne - 8/11/2009 5:55:28 AM
  - re: Mainstream media - TB - 7/26/2009 3:44:27 AM
    - Hence the tracking programs. - Mary Anne - 7/26/2009 4:15:25 AM
      - re: Hence the tracking programs. - NetExpert - 7/26/2009 10:57:11 PM
        
        Civil law is only a weapon if someone is willing to sue. - Mary Anne - 7/27/2009 12:27:32 AM
        
        re: Civil law is only a weapon if someone is willing to sue. - NetExpert - 7/27/2009 4:49:23 AM
        
        Selling a product is not equivalent to setting up a cartel. - Mary Anne - 7/27/2009 11:26:29 AM
        
        re: Selling a product is not equivalent to setting up a cartel. - NetExpert - 7/27/2009 8:38:07 PM
        
        First of all, I have never been a journalist. I just think they have a right to be paid. - Mary Anne - 7/28/2009 2:34:03 AM
        
        re: First of all, I have never been a journalist. I just think they have a right to be paid. - NetExpert - 7/28/2009 7:07:08 AM
        
        Do you read what other people write, really? - Mary Anne - 7/28/2009 12:36:07 PM
        
        You just don't get it.... - NetExpert - 7/29/2009 3:42:11 AM
  - If we were to declare war on Brazil... - Eri - 7/26/2009 1:18:20 AM

You can't make this stuff up...strange bedfellows dept. - ER - 8/10/2009 9:51:28 PM
- Republican or Democrat - Eri - 8/11/2009 2:57:02 AM
- If God is a Republican... - alcaray - 8/10/2009 10:17:15 PM

Renaissance of Business Ethics - David F Mayer - 8/9/2009 2:26:53 PM
- Some businesses serve neither their owners nor their customers - E.P. - 8/10/2009 4:13:06 PM
  - Bingo! 100% Correct! (n/t) - David F Mayer - 8/11/2009 1:39:01 AM
- re: Renaissance of Business Ethics - TB - 8/9/2009 6:23:05 PM
  - Where are the footnotes, TB? - ER - 8/9/2009 7:12:41 PM
    - Or maybe, like Rome, the U.S. will fall soon. - Eri - 8/9/2009 8:52:36 PM
      - Of course. - ER - 8/9/2009 9:37:45 PM
    - Nobody reads them anyway - TB - 8/9/2009 7:57:46 PM
      - Ther Real Selection Effect. - ER - 8/9/2009 8:24:48 PM
        
        re: Ther Real Selection Effect. - TB - 8/9/2009 8:31:53 PM
        
        If you really need to place me, - ER - 8/9/2009 9:39:40 PM
  - The Unethical Corporations may not be the majority, but they are large enough and corrupt - David F Mayer - 8/9/2009 6:53:25 PM
    - He has to say that, Dave. It's his job. - ER - 8/9/2009 7:50:43 PM
      - re: It's his job. - TB - 8/9/2009 8:12:02 PM
        
        Correct. Government Is No More Or Less Corrupt Than Business. They Are In Bed with Each Other. - David F Mayer - 8/9/2009 11:27:55 PM
        
        Getting personal, eh? - ER - 8/9/2009 8:51:09 PM
        
        You've got some nerve saying that after your long treatises on my psychology. - TB - 8/9/2009 8:59:34 PM
        
        My apologies. - ER - 8/9/2009 9:14:39 PM
        
        Government work is where the smart people are headed. - TB - 8/10/2009 1:18:54 AM
        
        That explains why you favor NASA and military spending - E.P. - 8/10/2009 4:10:02 PM
        
        Ya gotta serve somebody... - ER - 8/10/2009 1:49:45 AM
        
        re: Ya gotta serve somebody... - TB - 8/10/2009 2:56:00 AM
        
        re: Ya gotta serve somebody... - ER - 8/10/2009 10:51:43 AM

Question is, WHAT DID BUBBA TAKE to North Korea? - carl - 8/6/2009 2:06:47 PM
- Well the last time he negotiated with them, they got the bomb. - Lee - 8/6/2009 2:54:52 PM
  - WOW, Book, MOVIE DEAL in the WORKS! - carl - 8/10/2009 5:36:19 PM
  - They got the bomb when Bush messed up a good thing. (n/t) - alcaray - 8/6/2009 10:58:16 PM
    - They got the bomb because both Clinton & Bush refrained from a pre-emptive strike against their nuclear facilities. - David F Mayer - 8/9/2009 3:06:33 PM
      - I doubt it, but we will never know for sure. - alcaray - 8/9/2009 4:58:16 PM

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