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For what it's worth... - ER - 3/19/2009 10:32:38 PM
- Did anyone see Obama on Jay Leno last night? - Lindy - 3/20/2009 4:54:45 PM
- re: For what it's worth... - Eri - 3/20/2009 3:51:57 PM
- re: For what it's worth... - Marcia - 3/20/2009 12:40:36 AM
- I'm not surprised at the report, - ER - 3/19/2009 11:26:47 PM
- Inside AIG - TB - 3/19/2009 11:08:40 PM
- We are all just pawns in some bankers games....... - Lindy - 3/19/2009 10:57:18 PM
- Sometimes you are just plain screwed. - Bowser - 3/19/2009 10:56:15 PM

Elliot Spitzer comments on the AIG Bailout - Lindy - 3/20/2009 4:41:53 AM

Bailout Banker's Baffling Bogus Bonus - ER - 3/17/2009 4:31:56 PM
- Retention bonuses - TB - 3/19/2009 4:20:31 PM
  - re: Retention bonuses - ER - 3/19/2009 9:24:15 PM
- I disagree. When you are on welfare, you don't pass out millions to executives. - David F Mayer - 3/18/2009 8:30:22 PM
  - Mebbe so... - ER - 3/18/2009 9:16:53 PM
    - I repeat, the government has the right to void contracts. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 3/19/2009 2:34:23 AM
      - The government should not have the right to void other people's contracts that were legal when they were made. - ER - 3/19/2009 10:01:17 AM
        
        Actually, I'm enjoying the proposed solution - azstrummer - 3/19/2009 12:57:43 PM
- Lessee, the automakers had contracts too, with Unions. Had to re-negotiate them. - Bowser - 3/18/2009 6:08:11 PM
- The Dodd Amendment - TB - 3/18/2009 2:42:06 AM
  - Yeah, it was Dodd. - TB - 3/18/2009 11:58:00 PM
    - 'Strummer was right... - ER - 3/19/2009 12:22:36 PM
      - Dodd has been the Golden Boy of the financial industry for years. - TB - 3/19/2009 12:40:24 PM
        
        FALLING FOR THIS DOG AND PONY SHOW???? - ER - 3/19/2009 4:04:40 PM
- Bogus Explanation - Yea Yea Take The Money & Run - Marsby - 3/18/2009 12:12:09 AM
- Solution - The Special Financial Institution Bailout Bonus Tax Bracket! - z - 3/18/2009 12:09:12 AM
- I hate that I agree with you - azstrummer - 3/17/2009 9:21:52 PM
  - I hate that I agree with me. - ER - 3/17/2009 11:48:06 PM
    - "guillotine in 1789" lol! - z - 3/18/2009 12:02:11 AM
      - Nobody wins in a revolution. - ER - 3/18/2009 12:15:09 AM
        
        Revolutions are like labor strikes. - Bowser - 3/18/2009 2:59:10 AM
        
        the innocent are published? - ER - 3/18/2009 12:12:52 AM
- The employer may have a contractual obligation to include a bonus - z - 3/17/2009 7:21:51 PM
  - No employer hands out a bonus before the job's even started. - ER - 3/17/2009 11:33:55 PM

"...We are capitalizing your adventures [on Wall Street]" - ER - 3/15/2009 9:41:36 PM
- A familiar avatar - Robert - 3/16/2009 8:58:53 PM
  - an unfamiliar avatar - ER - 3/17/2009 4:42:49 PM
  - What really scares them about Stewart... - ER - 3/17/2009 1:14:35 AM
    - "other people's money" - TB - 3/17/2009 3:21:15 AM
      - Why it's different. - RubE - 3/17/2009 9:58:29 AM
        
        re: Why it's different. - TB - 3/17/2009 1:08:40 PM
        
        You used to like omnibus spending bills. What happened? (n/t) - alcaray - 3/17/2009 11:59:26 PM
        
        I used to like omnibus spending bills? - TB - 3/18/2009 1:27:25 AM
        
        Well you were comparatively sanguine about them... - alcaray - 3/18/2009 3:54:18 AM
        
        Yeah. - TB - 3/18/2009 4:05:33 AM
        
        Hmmm. Perhaps I should clarify. - alcaray - 3/18/2009 7:25:55 AM
        
        html cleanup - alcaray - 3/18/2009 6:46:14 PM
        
        A bit of perspective on spending - TB - 3/18/2009 4:11:05 AM
        
        So why not dismantle the government and replace it with the market? - ER - 3/17/2009 1:52:31 PM
        
        re: So why not dismantle the government and replace it with the market? - Lindy - 3/17/2009 7:01:48 PM
        
        No. It isn't what I want to do. - TB - 3/17/2009 2:25:33 PM
        
        Well, I don't want to dismantle the private sector, either. - ER - 3/17/2009 4:10:50 PM
  - I know Mark Twain... - TB - 3/16/2009 9:54:08 PM
    - That explains the 19th Century outlook. (n/t) - Robert - 3/19/2009 5:24:11 AM
      - re: That explains the 19th Century outlook. - TB - 3/19/2009 4:24:30 PM
    - I thought he was dead. (n/t) - Jody - 3/17/2009 1:04:57 AM
      - No, rumors of his death were highly exaggerated. (n/t) - ER - 3/18/2009 12:21:43 AM
- The day that Fox News scoops Jon Stewart on something - azstrummer - 3/16/2009 3:44:33 PM

After dumbing down "victory" in Iraq, Afghanistan is next. - Bowser - 3/18/2009 8:40:40 PM
- "Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history." George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950 (n/t) - Bowser - 3/19/2009 3:23:10 AM
- Solution remains the same: massive UN deployment to West Bank and Gaza - E.P. - 3/18/2009 9:39:59 PM

The Ten Commandments Adapted to Modern Business Practice - David F Mayer - 3/19/2009 12:15:19 AM

How Healthcare Reform Survived - Buck Galaxy - 3/18/2009 9:09:32 PM

A "Zone" for the movers and shakers? - TB - 3/18/2009 3:47:31 AM
- Sounds like it - Robert - 3/18/2009 7:57:46 PM
  - And they'll never forgive us for having better music. (n/t) - ER - 3/18/2009 8:21:03 PM
- Define movers and shakers. - SDAI-Tech1 - 3/18/2009 6:24:25 PM

Latest poll of Iraqis from ABC News - TB - 3/16/2009 4:41:55 PM
- News video from ABC - TB - 3/18/2009 3:58:24 AM
- Terrible News for the USA Haters. Good New for the Rest of Us. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 3/16/2009 9:53:22 PM
  - "Few credit the United States, still widely unpopular given the post-invasion violence, and eight in 10 favor its withdrawal on schedule by 2011 or sooner." (n/t) - Bowser - 3/16/2009 11:53:46 PM

For RobVG re Madoff - Bowser - 3/17/2009 3:51:41 AM
- Thanks Bowser - RobVG - 3/17/2009 4:19:47 AM
  - An article on just that. - Bowser - 3/17/2009 7:38:24 PM
    - Thanks! - RobVG - 3/18/2009 12:40:21 AM
  - re: Thanks Bowser - gbaikie - 3/17/2009 7:52:46 AM
  - I would bet. - Bowser - 3/17/2009 6:11:22 AM
- Losses - TB - 3/17/2009 4:02:49 AM

The Madoff situation seems typical. - Bowser - 3/17/2009 6:19:55 PM

I believe that advocating assassination and mass murder - FrankC-moderator - 3/16/2009 2:44:18 AM
- Not that you're seeking my approval... - et - 3/16/2009 6:13:51 PM
  - Or members of the three branches of government towards private citizens. (n/t) - Lee - 3/17/2009 10:54:42 AM
  - Hypocrisy and the Golden Rule. - Bowser - 3/16/2009 6:45:45 PM
    - You just don't know when to stop. - RobVG - 3/17/2009 1:40:43 AM
      - re: You just don't know when to stop. - Lindy - 3/17/2009 1:39:54 PM
        
        I must have missed the personal insults by TB - FrankC - 3/17/2009 4:29:36 PM
- In Bowser's defense... - TB - 3/16/2009 3:20:38 AM
  - A colorful hyperbolic remark directed to a politician - FrankC (moderator) - 3/16/2009 4:43:38 AM
    - What I said, FrankC, is that you advocate that same method of killing people. - Bowser - 3/16/2009 4:59:52 AM
      - It's discerning not diserning - FrankC - 3/16/2009 5:34:11 AM
        
        THIS WHOLE THREAD NEEDS TO GO TO FLAME - Lindy - 3/16/2009 1:20:43 PM

Give credit where credit is due. - Lee - 3/17/2009 4:29:31 PM

Should Madoff Investors get a tax rebate? - RobVG - 3/14/2009 10:40:25 PM
- When did their investments become worthless? - Bowser - 3/15/2009 12:27:51 AM
  - From the start of the scam? - RobVG - 3/15/2009 4:04:05 PM
    - "Earnings" and principle. - Bowser - 3/16/2009 12:02:29 AM
      - Hope you see him. - RobVG - 3/16/2009 1:50:58 AM
        
        He didn't show. I'll email him, see if he answers. (n/t) - Bowser - 3/17/2009 3:13:36 AM
  - Tell that to the husband and wife sitting in Arizona in their RV unable to pay for the gas to leave. (n/t) - Eri - 3/15/2009 3:01:01 PM
    - Seems unlikely - TB - 3/17/2009 12:16:34 AM

The Truth about Credit Default Swaps - Jody - 3/16/2009 9:56:24 PM
- I think it was the Yeti that brought CDS to our attention. - RobVG - 3/16/2009 11:48:02 PM
  - "What a bunch of ****" - ER - 3/17/2009 1:08:57 AM

Obama's influence extends all the way...to...El Salvador - z - 3/16/2009 4:11:03 PM

Flame is available to insult and Community is for discussing moderation - FrankC - 3/16/2009 4:54:41 AM
- Kiss my ass. (n/t) - Bowser - 3/16/2009 5:00:28 AM
  - Bare it! ;) (n/t) - Jody - 3/16/2009 12:10:11 PM
  - That cuts me to the quick - FrankC - 3/16/2009 5:43:38 AM

"AIG Paying Millions in Bonuses Despite Receiving Federal Bailout" - Sure glad it's not union "bosses". - Bowser - 3/15/2009 12:18:25 AM
- "Dare to be Great" - ER - 3/15/2009 3:34:36 PM
- Rock stars, athletes, executives. - ER - 3/15/2009 1:26:30 PM
- That's disgusting. We should have let the *$%$#%!! fold. (n/t) - Eri - 3/15/2009 3:51:18 AM
  - Some of us have been saying that all along. - Lee - 3/15/2009 6:30:12 PM
    - On this one, I'm with you! - Eri - 3/15/2009 11:06:59 PM
- Simply Outrageous! (n/t) - David F Mayer - 3/15/2009 3:19:44 AM
  - But But But - Marsby - 3/15/2009 8:55:38 PM

Didn't McCain getted grilled for this? - Lee - 3/15/2009 7:22:14 PM
- Getted??? LOL Make that get - Lee - 3/15/2009 8:50:46 PM

Obama reverses Bush-era stem cell policy - Jody - 3/9/2009 5:10:19 PM
- Meanwhile, sneaking in the back door... - TB - 3/15/2009 5:29:22 PM
- stem cell funding - TB - 3/9/2009 10:56:58 PM
  - Thanks TB...I did not realize... - Jody - 3/11/2009 2:00:58 PM
    - Good question. - Lee - 3/15/2009 6:32:03 PM
  - Are you saying that science wasn't compromised by politics under GWB? (n/t) - Bowser - 3/10/2009 3:02:56 AM
  - Good question - ER - 3/10/2009 1:43:39 AM
    - Cloning - Buck Galaxy - 3/10/2009 4:53:36 AM
      - After-market parts - ER - 3/10/2009 9:27:38 AM
    - re: Good question - TB - 3/10/2009 3:14:21 AM
      - The scientists I've seen quoted - ER - 3/10/2009 9:18:48 AM
        
        Want to talk about Democrats and nuclear power again? - TB - 3/10/2009 3:34:57 PM
        
        Yeah, sure. - ER - 3/10/2009 4:28:09 PM
        
        This just in - Socrates II - 3/10/2009 12:04:55 PM

"Tales From Tortureâ€™s Dark World" - Bowser - 3/15/2009 4:24:41 PM

Oh my gosh, Jon Stewart is a genius - azstrummer - 3/11/2009 5:12:52 PM
- "Why in the world would anyone be idiotic enough to take him on?" - Lindy - 3/11/2009 11:29:45 PM
  - Why should anyone listen to any financial expert? - ER - 3/11/2009 11:44:02 PM
    - "There is a tide in the affairs of men, which when taken at the flood - - - " - Bowser - 3/12/2009 12:33:24 AM
    - There were some predicting the crash. - Eri - 3/12/2009 12:29:01 AM
      - I predicted it during the Reagan Administration, - ER - 3/12/2009 1:27:04 AM
        
        "In charge of the economy" - TB - 3/12/2009 2:13:46 AM
        
        Businessmen don't want to run the economy. - ER - 3/12/2009 9:44:34 AM
        
        re: Businessmen don't want to run the economy. - TB - 3/12/2009 4:33:28 PM
        
        Sometimes the naivete of the committed amuses me. - ER - 3/12/2009 6:58:38 PM
        
        Repeating the same thing at greater length is not a rebuttal. - TB - 3/13/2009 4:57:57 AM
        
        John 3:16 meets Rashomon - ER - 3/13/2009 6:28:52 PM
        
        re: John 3:16 meets Rashomon - TB - 3/13/2009 10:50:47 PM
        
        Here's what I think - ER - 3/14/2009 12:18:54 AM
        
        Businessmen are the economy. - Lee - 3/12/2009 4:50:23 PM
        
        Der Fuher ist Deutschland, huh Lee? (n/t) - McFly - 3/13/2009 12:14:32 PM
        
        Huh? - Lee - 3/13/2009 4:13:47 PM
        
        "When's the last time you got a job from someone who wasn't a businessman?" - ER - 3/13/2009 10:15:02 PM
        
        Hmm - who is the dog and who is the tail? - Laurie Street - 3/12/2009 5:39:28 PM
        
        It's dogs all the way down. - TB - 3/12/2009 5:49:49 PM
        
        One hand washes the other. - Lee - 3/12/2009 6:23:48 PM
        
        "both are careerists corrupted by ambition" - Lindy - 3/12/2009 12:56:02 PM
        
        And we've had the businessmen. Enron, Worldcom were just the start. - Bowser - 3/12/2009 3:51:25 AM
        
        Of course it's not the norm. - TB - 3/12/2009 4:23:48 AM
        
        All regulated. Every one. But lift the regulations, - - - ! (n/t) - Bowser - 3/12/2009 5:44:51 AM

New US administration on Cuba - Bowser - 3/11/2009 9:48:17 PM
- I have long favored free trade and tourism with Cuba. - David F Mayer - 3/12/2009 9:39:36 PM
  - "Each country must guarantee the safety of tourists from the other." - ER - 3/12/2009 11:46:32 PM
- I have no problem with this new policy - TB - 3/11/2009 10:57:04 PM
  - I never understood why we would trade with China, but not Cuba - REB - 3/13/2009 5:36:59 PM
    - Florida politics. (n/t) - Bowser - 3/13/2009 8:12:34 PM
- AHA! A captive audience. - ER - 3/11/2009 10:50:48 PM
  - I read it then, and just re-read it. - Bowser - 3/12/2009 12:26:59 AM
    - I asked my cousin about that... - ER - 3/12/2009 1:17:10 AM
      - I'd never considered that it wasn't completely homegrown. - Bowser - 3/12/2009 3:41:48 AM
        
        No need to postulate an outside conspiracy. - ER - 3/12/2009 10:14:18 AM
  - Sorry, bad link - ER - 3/11/2009 10:55:35 PM

It appears Bush treatment of Al Qaida operatives was covered by FDR proclamation - E.P. - 3/11/2009 6:47:59 PM
- Busted! Executive Assassination Ring disclosed. - Jack Herer - 3/13/2009 7:53:12 PM
- Link (n/t) - David F Mayer - 3/12/2009 9:57:30 PM

Foreclosures in America focused in 35 counties - TB - 3/12/2009 12:32:42 AM
- re: Foreclosures in America focused in 35 counties - ER - 3/12/2009 11:42:18 PM
  - Wonder if there's any connection with house flipping. - Lee - 3/13/2009 12:05:47 AM
  - re: Foreclosures in America focused in 35 counties - TB - 3/12/2009 11:52:56 PM
    - I think both of you are pretty close to the truth. (n/t) - ER - 3/13/2009 12:32:32 AM
      - re: I think both of you are pretty close to the truth. - Bowser - 3/13/2009 2:37:33 AM
        
        "And there didn't seem to be any way for a person to make a living. Except, maybe, by building more." - ER - 3/13/2009 10:54:16 AM

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