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Notice the tread here folks...they don't like the message and strike out at the messengers... - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 2:51:46 PM
- Krugman has a track record...he is off track. - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 3:51:42 PM
- I do see a trend. - REB - 9/2/2004 3:01:45 PM
- Like you've done with the Swiftboat Vets? - Larry J - 9/2/2004 3:00:23 PM
  - Oh, my goodness! - Bowser - 9/2/2004 5:51:31 PM
  - re: Yes, as I explained in the text sometimes the messanger is an issue as well... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:12:48 PM
    - So you strike out at the messenger... - REB - 9/2/2004 3:19:50 PM
      - re: You don't get the irony of your post do you? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:21:57 PM
        
        Your irony is a little rusty. - REB - 9/2/2004 3:29:04 PM
        
        re: Your irony is a little rusty. - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 8:17:02 AM
        
        re: Your irony is a little rusty. - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 8:18:24 AM
        
        americans arguing about irony.........:-D (n/t) - Tony - 9/2/2004 4:18:02 PM
        
        I know, isn't it ironic :) NT - REB - 9/2/2004 7:21:31 PM

The administration is hiding bad economic news. Here's how. - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 7:20:08 AM

A Name? Gold for Republican's is a Democrat??? - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 3:49:49 PM
- Actually, why does the party whose members want to quit Iraq now, hide the fact? - ebnelson - 9/1/2004 7:28:08 PM
  - re: Outside republican convention being arrested for using their first amendment rights. - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 9:37:03 PM
    - 'Yawn' Is your definition of ''violation of 1st Amendmant' anytime a lefty can't scream what they want while they break stuff? - ebnelson - 9/1/2004 10:34:38 PM
      - re: You are boring. Did anyone say anything about ''violation of 1st Amendmant' - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 10:40:42 PM
        
        Look above Ed's where you say "arrested for using their first amendment rights" - REB - 9/2/2004 12:22:12 PM
        
        Uhh, read your own stuff, maybe? Good luck. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/1/2004 10:58:07 PM
        
        re: I don't think you quite get my point. - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 7:12:31 AM
        
        Good point. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:11:24 PM
        
        LOL! - REB - 9/2/2004 1:46:05 PM
        
        Oh, he does. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 2:09:08 PM
        
        There are protestors who want to get arrested. - REB - 9/2/2004 2:18:15 PM
        
        Oh, no kidding. - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 6:30:22 AM
    - they are being arrested because they are doing Illegal stuff - REB - 9/1/2004 9:40:42 PM
      - re: This is the biggest demonstration against any US president in history... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 10:37:52 PM
        
        So, they are still a bunch of idiots. More doesn't make them any better. NT - REB - 9/2/2004 12:14:43 PM
- Zell Miller - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2004 5:18:35 PM
  - re: Zell Miller - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 8:04:06 PM
    - A story about political parties, participation, and loyalty - Mary Anne - 9/1/2004 11:22:56 PM
      - I still remember the flowers strewn by the Left in front of Jeffords when he bailed out on the Republicans. - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 1:25:40 AM
        
        Notice how he never became a Democrat, either. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 3:20:11 AM
        
        Okay, how about this, then... - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 4:11:37 AM
        
        ~sigh~ Why do you think McCain is at the Republican Convention? - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 5:17:40 AM
        
        re: ~sigh~ Why do you think McCain is at the Republican Convention? - gbaikie - 9/2/2004 6:01:17 AM
        
        You never read, do you? Not really. You just look for something that fits your worldview and throw the rest away. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 6:09:33 AM
        
        Not really. - gbaikie - 9/2/2004 7:14:50 AM
        
        The manure endured by McCain was flung at him by members of his own party. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 11:59:07 AM
        
        re: Not really. - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 7:56:10 AM
        
        re: Not really. - gbaikie - 9/2/2004 9:31:23 AM
        
        re: Not really. - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:54:52 PM
  - Another myth, Blacks belong to the Democrats - REB - 9/1/2004 5:49:57 PM
    - re: "Belong to" is possibly the worst choice of words I've seen in a long time... - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 7:50:03 PM
      - That is the way many African Americans feel the Democrats look at them - REB - 9/1/2004 7:57:58 PM
        
        re: Right... - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 8:14:00 PM
        
        re: Right... - REB - 9/1/2004 8:22:43 PM
        
        re: "Democrats have made a career of telling Blacks they can not make it without their help" - alcaray - 9/1/2004 10:29:41 PM
        
        re: This is one of those Republican urban myths... Blacks are just simple folk and "we" guide them like sheep... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 7:59:03 AM
        
        Like I said, go talk to some Black Republicans and see how they feel. - REB - 9/2/2004 12:16:08 PM
        
        Just one quote to support your assertion, is all I ask. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/2/2004 3:52:19 PM
- Keep dreaming. - Scott Evil - 9/1/2004 3:58:41 PM
  - re: I think you are dreaming on... - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 4:48:49 PM

Update on the Islamic Bomb - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 3:49:45 AM
- I thought Pakistan owned the Islamic Bomb (n/t) - alcaray - 9/2/2004 6:10:40 PM
- I thought Pakistan owned the Islamic Bomb (n/t) - alcaray - 9/2/2004 6:10:38 PM
- Ultimatum - Art Martin - 9/2/2004 4:31:19 PM
  - re: Ultimatum only works if the target cares about dying. - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 5:13:43 PM
    - but the actual target does care - just not the leadership - Daniel - 9/3/2004 2:21:41 AM
      - One characteristic of Islamist terror leaders seems to be a marked lack of martyrdom. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 5:23:50 AM
- Update on the 200 Israeli nuclear weapons - Bowser - 9/2/2004 4:10:10 AM
  - I don't worry about nukes in civilized hands. Britain has them, too. Heck, I don't even worry about France's. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 4:22:46 AM

John Ashcroft is the worst attorney general in history. - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 8:21:41 AM
- Krugman, former Enron advisor, is starting to make Lindy and Bowser look sane by comparison (n/t) - Larry J - 9/2/2004 1:46:22 PM
  - Heh, heh. Can't attack the message, head right into ad hominem insults. - Bowser - 9/2/2004 4:57:01 PM
    - Such concern from Mr. dodger/awol/shirker hisself? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 6:10:04 PM
      - No content - probably belongs on Flame, ed. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/2/2004 8:37:29 PM
  - re: Oh, the irony is thick here... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:27:02 PM
- More blah blah from the proven undisputed king of wack job wrong journalism. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:01:11 PM
  - Hey Ed, you can't even string two sentences together - Lindy - 9/3/2004 5:20:43 AM
  - re: More blah blah from the proven undisputed king of wack job wrong journalism. - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:25:42 PM
    - He can spew his opinion with the best of them. - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 3:58:57 PM
      - While you, on the other hand, just spew (n/t) - Fox - 9/3/2004 5:12:21 AM

"Taliban reasserting control of Afghanistan" - Bowser - 9/2/2004 6:09:12 PM
- "Powell assured Karzai that Washington would be steadfast." And more. With no rational response. - Bowser - 9/2/2004 9:21:08 PM
- Labor Unions reasserting control of the Democrats - Scott Evil - 9/2/2004 6:37:38 PM
- You mean the Pakistan that smuggled nukes under clinton's nose and only stopped when Bush made them? - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 6:32:59 PM
  - Like you know for sure? - Lindy - 9/3/2004 5:11:30 AM
  - It was part of Madeline Albrights plan to make it so there would be more than one superpower in the world. - Scott Evil - 9/2/2004 6:43:13 PM
    - Help me understand. - Bowser - 9/2/2004 8:42:59 PM
      - The VRWC does not have a time machine. Yet. - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 8:49:11 PM

Democrats preparing counterattack on Bush - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 9:24:34 PM
- Kerry's record, thanks only to Kerry, is the question. Bush never made his a big deal. - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 3:47:38 AM
- Why Should A Real Issue Be Pressed When They Love A Nonissue So Much? - Mark Eby - 9/3/2004 2:31:25 AM
- Bush' jobs, poverty & health plans. Change the way the statiscs are compiled. - Bowser - 9/2/2004 11:52:43 PM
  - The actual press release from the Census Bureau - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 4:02:25 AM
- Man, can you blame them? - Art Martin - 9/2/2004 11:44:37 PM
  - Behold... - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 3:42:43 AM

Maybe, just maybe, Christians of whom Christ could be proud. - Bowser - 9/3/2004 3:06:10 AM
- Well at least the left won't be trying to censor these religious thoughts. - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 3:42:26 AM

The ol' "hit and run". "GOP backs away from Millerâ€™s blast" - Bowser - 9/3/2004 1:32:15 AM
- He is one sick puppie - Donald - 9/3/2004 3:14:13 AM
- Does this mean algore was being Kerry's sock puppet? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 2:47:02 AM
- Don't See A Problem - Mark Eby - 9/3/2004 2:28:19 AM

Most folks know the Lapham-drive... - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/3/2004 12:52:15 AM

Good site to dig through- the offical US Senate voting record page. - REB - 9/2/2004 8:04:57 PM
- re: I would hope this is not news to most people here. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 10:30:13 PM
- Here is another page on that site. - REB - 9/2/2004 8:10:20 PM
  - re:The Thomas - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 10:33:44 PM
    - Thomas legislation page is a very good reference location. I use it a lot. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 11:33:33 PM

And here's a smiley-faced Bush wearing an Air Force medal he didn't earn. - Bowser - 9/2/2004 12:52:10 AM
- Keep on shooting. - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:59:22 AM
  - Bowser shouldn't put down the National Guard. - REB - 9/2/2004 12:05:00 PM
    - Kerry has made it very clear he has no respect for the Guard. - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:05:43 PM
      - re: Really where? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:39:28 PM
        
        Boston acceptance speech - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 8:35:40 PM
        
        re:A quote? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 10:02:35 PM
- More on this... - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 1:19:20 AM
  - If you listen carefully, you can hear the sound of leftist marbles hitting the floor, one by one... (???) - Bowser - 9/2/2004 1:26:15 AM
    - The short and simple answer, for anyone short a few catseyes... - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 1:31:38 AM
      - If you don't read my citations, read your own. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/2/2004 4:11:13 AM
        
        And you didn't have any citations. No links. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 5:17:22 AM
        
        Slowly. Very slowly... - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 5:16:37 AM
        
        All part of the VRWC! Bush is a deserter/awol/dodger/shirker like all Guard members - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:07:22 PM
        
        Tom, when I read things like this, I know just what you mean. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 2:25:28 PM

Why Credibility Matters - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 8:56:00 AM
- And Kerry's vascilation and empty record is going to increase that how? - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:17:36 PM
  - re: Only when you stop buying the right's agenda will this "vacillation" nonsense also stop...all these RNC folks also have change their minds many times...deeper inspection is need on each issue to… (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:19:53 PM
    - Kerry's life is flip-flop, and he has no executive ability - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 3:57:15 PM
      - re: Right, and Bush is not? A spoiled rich kid who betrayed his fellows... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 4:07:14 PM
        
        No, like lying in front of the senate and running the VVAW (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 6:37:39 PM
        
        re:Why do you think Bush and Cheney didn't swear in for 9/11? - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 9:56:16 PM

2 soundbites bite the dust in one fell swoop - Tony - 9/2/2004 6:55:30 PM
- The poor guy, no one expects anything else from him. - Bowser - 9/2/2004 9:26:03 PM
- Could have beens..... - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 8:14:57 PM

A small cause for hope during the political silly season - Larry J - 9/1/2004 7:22:23 PM
- Somebody give her the URL of this website. ;) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 12:47:58 AM
- Hear hear!!! (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/1/2004 11:28:27 PM
- re: Thank Larry! Yes, liberals listen. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 10:01:46 PM
  - First one I've ever seen - Larry J - 9/2/2004 3:09:29 PM
    - "one" what? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/2/2004 8:51:39 PM

For REB - tony - 9/2/2004 3:40:42 AM
- re: For REB - gbaikie - 9/2/2004 5:18:09 AM
  - Cool: Geoff is the author of the Bush plan (n/t) - alcaray - 9/2/2004 6:12:41 PM
- Kerry's "realistic" plan: - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 4:58:22 AM
  - An it is still very unclear. No Details. (And thanks Tony for looking) - REB - 9/2/2004 12:02:53 PM
    - Any luck on the "bush flips" question? (n/t) - Tony - 9/2/2004 2:22:46 PM
      - What flip? He has made his stance clear. - REB - 9/2/2004 2:37:09 PM
        
        Let me rephrase the question so I make my intent clearer..... - Tony - 9/2/2004 3:14:57 PM
        
        Okay, shoot. - REB - 9/2/2004 3:40:51 PM
        
        is this worth it? - Tony - 9/2/2004 4:22:55 PM
        
        re: is this worth it? - gbaikie - 9/2/2004 6:08:11 PM
  - A bit more on NATO in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 5:04:51 AM
- Nattering nabobs of negativism - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 4:09:32 AM

Just turned on radio - tony - 9/2/2004 2:18:47 AM
- re: Just turned on radio - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 6:56:32 AM
- Text of Zell Miller's speech - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 3:55:35 AM
- Oh, it was Miller time - tony - 9/2/2004 3:10:35 AM
  - re: Oh, it was Miller time - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 7:21:04 AM
  - 40 states. Minimum. - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 3:51:13 AM
    - Care to enumerate the principles of the Republican party? - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 12:41:08 PM
      - re: principles of the Republican party - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 5:27:07 PM
    - re: For 12 dark years... - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 7:47:34 AM

Do people lie to pollsters? - FrankC - 9/2/2004 3:57:08 PM
- Don't I wish - Art Martin - 9/2/2004 4:16:50 PM
- Possibly - Tony - 9/2/2004 4:16:36 PM
  - You'e got it right - E.P. Grondine - 9/2/2004 4:53:10 PM

Heinz funds the EII? - REB - 9/2/2004 2:59:41 PM
- Kerry thought getting back door funding from his wife was pretty cool - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 3:48:33 PM

Andrew Sullivan as Hamlet... - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/1/2004 6:34:45 PM
- He killed the king in the end, you know. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 12:57:30 PM
  - and the King killed him...:) - FrankC - 9/2/2004 3:33:47 PM
- Good work Tech1! (n/t) - FrankC - 9/2/2004 5:28:16 AM
- You Studbolt! :) (n/t) - RobVG - 9/2/2004 3:48:22 AM
- Very well done, SDAI-Tech1 (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/1/2004 10:18:11 PM
- Congratulations on getting linked to by Sullivan! - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2004 6:56:35 PM
  - Ditto that. Good luck with your blog (n/t) - Gary - 9/2/2004 2:53:36 AM
  - Thanks Tom... - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/1/2004 7:17:42 PM
    - re: Thanks - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2004 10:26:40 PM

Bush's 'Decisiveness' is Scripted - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 9:06:07 AM
- re: Not really - Scott Evil - 9/2/2004 1:29:41 PM
- Grotto is empty of ideas that connect to truth - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:04:22 PM
- re: Bush's 'Decisiveness' is Scripted - gbaikie - 9/2/2004 10:18:10 AM

No way out of no-win situation - Donald - 9/2/2004 12:22:12 AM
- Krugman knows "The Truth" - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 2:35:20 AM
  - re: Krugman knows it - Raoul - 9/2/2004 5:35:01 AM
    - Krugman only makes sense if you think appeasement and capitulation are cool - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:10:03 PM
  - No wonder Donald and Bowser like Krugman so much - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 2:55:12 AM
- Actually, if you listen to the media, we already won. - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 12:51:30 AM
- re: no-win situation - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 12:47:12 AM
  - Check Afghanistan- "Karzai - - - little more than the mayor of Kabul." - Bowser - 9/2/2004 1:00:10 AM
    - Keep hoping. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 1:20:18 AM
      - Try to say something. The article confirms what we know. Afghanistan is on it's way back to the Taliban. - Bowser - 9/2/2004 1:27:30 AM
        
        Krugman has a .000 batting record, and his op/ed don't prove squat. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 2:56:00 AM
        
        What article? No link. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 1:33:20 AM
        
        You be right. Here 'tis. And the situation is worse than I imagined. - Bowser - 9/2/2004 4:06:52 AM
- If Krugman says it is really bad, it must be getting ready to be really improved. - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 12:33:19 AM

CNN refuses ad criticising GOP platform - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 10:26:01 PM
- More on this story - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 1:08:30 AM
  - The protesters' signs were not ensconced in the Democratic platform and suggested as a subject for a Constitutional amendment. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:02:05 PM
- Just saw another swift boat Ad on FOX torching Kerry - Todd - 9/2/2004 12:10:36 AM
  - Things are going his way. - Gary - 9/2/2004 1:02:39 AM
- It's that damned biased media! Again!! - Bowser - 9/1/2004 11:02:35 PM

The Opportunity Costs of the Iraq War - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 8:51:15 AM

977 - Donald - 9/1/2004 12:29:11 AM
- The wounded are casualties, too. - Bowser - 9/1/2004 2:55:59 AM
- Donnie, just go ahead and post 978 - 1000 in a continuous spamathon - ebnelson - 9/1/2004 1:00:55 AM
  - They may mean nothing to you.... - Donald - 9/1/2004 1:16:20 AM
    - You are the one who dishonors them by lying about their mission - ebnelson - 9/1/2004 6:21:53 PM
    - You dishonor their deaths. - jr - 9/1/2004 2:02:50 AM
      - re: You honor your dead by putting a face to them. This administration has tried to make the slain just a pile of dead bodies with no names, no ambitions and no lives to cry for the lose of. Bush has… (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 3:03:18 PM
        
        the response of the troops to Bush's leadership strongly disputes your claim. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/1/2004 6:23:38 PM
        
        re: No! It is does not! (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 8:56:05 PM
        
        So does! Good luck (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/1/2004 11:00:44 PM
        
        re: Does not! You're a funny guy! Break a leg...no really...break a leg! (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 8:04:45 AM
        
        Yes! It does! nt - REB - 9/1/2004 8:59:39 PM
        
        I agree with Jr. Donald dishoners them because he is using them as a political tool. - REB - 9/1/2004 3:58:28 PM
        
        re:And Bush is Not? You must of missed the first day of the RNC then... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 8:46:24 PM
        
        I have not seen Bush used these deaths as a political tool. I see Donald do it about every day. - REB - 9/1/2004 8:49:59 PM
        
        re:You're not looking. Try listening to the news or watch him tomorrow night (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 8:58:20 PM
        
        I have been looking and I have yet to see the President do what you say. - REB - 9/1/2004 9:07:07 PM
        
        re: You have been looking??? - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 10:24:06 PM
        
        Should politicians be responsible for their acts. - Bowser - 9/1/2004 5:07:31 PM
        
        What does that have to do with Donald dishonoring these deaths with his political agenda? - REB - 9/1/2004 5:33:23 PM
      - No... - Donald - 9/1/2004 2:16:58 AM
    - You have the perseverance. Now if only you had... - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/1/2004 1:42:24 AM
    - re: They obviously mean nothing to you, except as political pawns. - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2004 1:36:40 AM
      - Tell us again, Daddy, why did they die? - Bowser - 9/1/2004 2:37:30 AM
        
        They died for the same reason that the firefighters died on 9/11. - Scott Evil - 9/1/2004 1:36:20 PM
        
        How many Iraqis were involved in WTC? - Bowser - 9/1/2004 2:07:27 PM
        
        That doesn't matter. How many Iraqi's were plotting similair acts around the world? - Scott Evil - 9/1/2004 3:32:36 PM
        
        Wrong in so many ways- that is Bowserland. - REB - 9/1/2004 1:09:10 PM
      - Unfortunately... - Donald - 9/1/2004 1:54:37 AM
        
        Evasion. - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2004 2:49:31 AM
        
        Indeed - Donald - 9/1/2004 4:02:08 AM
        
        re: Indeed - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2004 4:17:32 AM

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