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George H. W Bush on Iraq - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 8:01:15 AM
- yawn yawn, even Bush 41 has said 911 changed it all. good luck (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 1:18:31 PM
  - re: You mean Dad changed his mind? Yawn? Pretty insensitive to our troops deaths aren't you. Well, his words are worth reading as the dire net results he predicted has come to pass. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 3:34:17 PM
  - always surfing the wave of someone else's tragedy. (n/t) - Eric - 9/3/2004 2:28:30 PM
    - Yeah right. Like FDR with Pearl Harbor - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 3:03:06 PM
      - re: Ed, you sadden me greatly. You equate an amorphous non-nation bunch of terrorists with Japan. 12/7 is not in away similar to 9/11 except in deaths and shock. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 3:52:42 PM
        
        So you don't think 3000 dead and billions of destruction and disruption is a big deal. Good luck. - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 3:58:13 PM
        
        re: Right you lose all my respect. Some of those billions came from shutting down an industry because of irrational fears on the part of this Administration. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 4:03:03 PM
        
        Irrational fears? - REB - 9/3/2004 4:18:14 PM
        
        Halting the airlines wass irrational? YGTBK - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 4:12:15 PM
        
        re: Let me help you and REB to think... - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 5:50:50 PM
        
        Work on your own thinking skills first - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 7:31:41 PM
        
        re: Work on your own thinking skills first - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 9:59:24 PM
        
        Good luck. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 3:39:34 AM
        
        re: Thank you. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/4/2004 8:43:18 AM
        
        Hold the boat, gang. - REB - 9/3/2004 7:50:19 PM
        
        And it only takes one person to set off a nuke to annulated a city. - REB - 9/3/2004 6:21:19 PM
        
        and you prevent a suitcase nuke attack by invading a country? - Art Martin - 9/3/2004 11:06:18 PM
        
        Yes - Mark Eby - 9/4/2004 3:12:16 AM
        
        re:You writing about Russian? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/4/2004 7:13:35 AM
        
        What seems hard to grasp for you - Tony - 9/4/2004 4:09:52 AM
        
        Far Easier - Mark Eby - 9/4/2004 3:04:53 PM
        
        re: And it only takes one person to set off a nuke to annulated a city. - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 10:08:24 PM
        
        Have to agree with Chris here - Art Martin - 9/3/2004 6:12:19 PM
- re: George H. W Bush on Iraq - Eric - 9/3/2004 12:58:10 PM

Zell Miller on John Kerry. - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 9:11:54 AM
- re: You must pardon Zell Miller for putting National Security above being a good Democrat - Scott Evil - 9/2/2004 6:23:29 PM
- Beldar comments... - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 5:35:22 PM
- Giving references - FrankC - 9/2/2004 3:19:31 PM
- Just shows that Kerry and the rest of the dems have changed quite a bit. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:02:40 PM
  - re: Oh sure that is what it is. Last year we just all decided to shift our views. Not as easy to swallow as Zell is a male prostitute for Republicans...is it... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 2:46:06 PM
    - man you Democratic nut cases are starting to hate everyone. - Scott Evil - 9/2/2004 6:26:24 PM
    - Do you like swallowing the idea of Sen. Zell Miller as a male prositiute? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 3:52:47 PM
      - re:Got sexual issue to work thru? Please, take them to an other board. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 8:20:43 AM
      - Don't ask that question to Barney Frank. =D (n/t) - Lee - 9/2/2004 7:51:55 PM
        
        So if Zell is a male prostitute, all questions should be referred to Barney Frank? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 8:17:12 PM
        
        Nevermind, it was a bad joke anyway. (n/t) - Lee - 9/3/2004 1:21:15 AM
- He got it right last night. - REB - 9/2/2004 12:08:00 PM
  - re: He "changed" his "opinion" around this time last year. And Bush and himself have called our troop "occupiers"...You wanted to hear what he said and it didn't matter if truth was there at all. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 2:55:12 PM
    - Miller changed when Tom Daschel tried to hold up the Homeland Security bill because it didn't contain collective barganing provisions. - Scott Evil - 9/2/2004 6:31:34 PM
    - He has seen the truth now. - REB - 9/2/2004 3:07:19 PM
      - re:Who's truth? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:13:48 PM
        
        That Kerry is not fit to be the Commander-and-Chief. - REB - 9/2/2004 3:24:27 PM
        
        re: Fine because by Zell's logic then Bush and Cheney are also not fit to be Commander-and-Chief ... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:31:37 PM
        
        No, Zell made it very clear he though Bush and Cheney are fit to be Commaner-and-Chief - REB - 9/2/2004 3:33:03 PM
        
        re: He changes him mind to suit the advantage to himself...your point is not there... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:34:46 PM
        
        Pissing off his party is not an advantage to himself. - REB - 9/2/2004 3:42:32 PM
        
        re: A clue: Who's convention did he speak at? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 4:03:43 PM
        
        Yes- that should tell you something. - REB - 9/2/2004 4:06:33 PM
  - At least Leiberman is still supporting his party. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 12:20:03 PM
    - If McCain had given the keynote for the Democrats, the left would be treating him like a hero. - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 5:05:57 PM
      - re: If McCain had given the keynote for the Democrats, he would have been thrown out of the Republican party. - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 7:38:15 AM
      - And you'd be saying they were desperate..... - Tony - 9/2/2004 6:34:26 PM
    - He's putting the country ahead of his party - Larry J - 9/2/2004 2:38:03 PM
      - "Shouldn't such behavior be encouraged?" - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 7:44:54 AM
      - re: He's putting his own self interest ahead the country and of his ex-party (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:33:17 PM
        
        He's retiring from the Senate and apparently all politics this year - Larry J - 9/2/2004 5:20:26 PM
    - Sort fo like Jeffords? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:03:18 PM
      - That makes no sense, Ed. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:09:33 PM
        
        How? Jeffords was a hero, in the media/dnc's eyes for leaving the party - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:14:34 PM
        
        Jeffords left his party over an issue, special education, that meant a lot to him. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:20:11 PM
        
        And defense of the nation isn't an important issue? - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 4:53:40 PM
        
        What does that have to do with the price of pomegrates in Calcutta? - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 3:49:19 AM
        
        Yes. And we are less safe now. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/2/2004 8:44:29 PM
        
        Honest Question: Is McCain for Veep a myth or a truth? - Tony - 9/2/2004 6:47:42 PM
        
        Actually, I don't know. - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 3:53:42 AM
        
        Wheels spinning: lemme see... what makes Kerry look worse? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/2/2004 6:56:10 PM
        
        Governor Miller values the future of his family over his party. - REB - 9/2/2004 1:39:56 PM
        
        That's fine. He should quit the party, then. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:49:22 PM
        
        Maybe he should. - REB - 9/2/2004 1:59:20 PM
        
        He won't, though. Not yet. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 2:11:53 PM
        
        Mirror principle again. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/3/2004 12:59:40 AM
        
        Another one making no sense - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 3:31:15 AM
        
        Are you doing very local things again, Mary Anne? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/3/2004 3:42:31 PM
        
        Yes, I am. I went to the grocery store just yesterday. - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 12:31:19 PM
        
        Another one making no sense - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 3:31:12 AM
        
        Shills - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 4:58:42 PM
        
        How many of them spoke from the podium? - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 3:41:30 AM
        
        re: How many of them spoke from the podium? - gbaikie - 9/3/2004 5:08:40 AM
        
        How do you get your head to do those things? - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 6:26:17 AM
        
        re: How do you get your head to do those things? - gbaikie - 9/3/2004 7:04:35 AM
        
        I think a majority of Republicans realize that this (anti-stem cell research) is a Luddite view - alcaray - 9/3/2004 3:48:02 PM
        
        re: I think a majority of Republicans realize that this (anti-stem cell research) is a Luddite view - gbaikie - 9/3/2004 10:14:29 PM
    - RE: At least Leiberman is still supporting his party - REB - 9/2/2004 12:28:40 PM

The employment numbers are out, and stronger than predicted - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 1:14:48 PM
- I heard an interesting factoid last night - Larry J - 9/3/2004 7:05:31 PM
- re: Stronger than predicted by whom? When is the "correct" scheduled for? Midnight Sunday? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 4:21:58 PM
- Numbers are good, but economists had been hoping for 150,000. - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 2:14:52 PM
  - "Disappointing" - Mark Eby - 9/3/2004 10:58:27 PM
    - Remember last spring? - Tom Brosz - 9/4/2004 12:00:23 AM
      - That News Wasn't Buried - Mark Eby - 9/4/2004 2:47:21 AM
        
        re: That News Wasn't Buried - gbaikie - 9/4/2004 6:48:20 AM
  - What's the spin on the first net job loss since Hoover? - Bowser - 9/3/2004 5:56:01 PM
    - re: first net job loss since Hoover. Not quite accurate. - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 7:27:43 PM
      - re: first net job loss since Hoover. Not quite accurate. - Chris Vancil - 9/4/2004 8:52:14 AM
      - Wondered what the spin was. I knew I could count on you. And - - - - Bowser - 9/3/2004 9:00:17 PM
      - Don't go messing up their spin and slander with facts, Tom (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 7:43:21 PM
  - Dems were hoping for less than 100,000. 144,000 is within margin of error. - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 4:14:03 PM
- 144,000 Jobs Added in August; Unemployment Rate Dips to 5.4% - REB - 9/3/2004 1:40:23 PM

Mainstream media bias, nailed to the wall. - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 1:53:43 AM
- Headlines - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 8:53:13 PM
  - So? - Mary Anne - 8/15/2004 11:24:57 PM
    - re: So? - Alasdair - 9/4/2004 8:42:56 AM
- Who is Jason? - Mary Anne - 8/14/2004 1:19:32 PM
  - re: Who is Jason? - Tim McNabb - 9/1/2004 1:28:54 PM
    - I appreciate your approach to documentation. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:53:20 AM
  - Who does he have to be? - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 8:49:25 PM
    - re: Who does he have to be? Identifiable. - Mary Anne - 8/16/2004 12:05:27 AM
    - Kind of off the main topic - Robert - 8/15/2004 5:23:17 PM
    - BTW... - Tom Brosz - 8/14/2004 9:46:58 PM
      - Interesting. No outfit name? - Mary Anne - 8/15/2004 11:26:33 PM
        
        His e-mail address is right there. Write him a letter. - Tom Brosz - 8/16/2004 7:41:52 PM
        
        Jeez, Tom, I have four emails, but only one is traceable. - Mary Anne - 8/17/2004 7:56:16 PM
        
        re: Jeez, Tom, I have four emails, but only one is traceable. - Observer - 9/1/2004 3:31:03 PM
        
        Thank you. I'm happy you understand my point. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:48:13 AM
        
        re: Thank you. I'm happy you understand my point. - Matt - 9/2/2004 7:58:36 PM
        
        True as far as it goes. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 9:26:01 PM
        
        re: Jeez, Tom, I have four emails, but only one is traceable. - Tim McNabb - 9/1/2004 1:21:25 PM
        
        And he's at Blogger, so he would have to have committed fraud to have gotten those... - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 4:46:38 AM
        
        Fine. Have it your way. The man is imaginary. - Tom Brosz - 8/17/2004 8:47:01 PM
        
        ~sigh~ - Mary Anne - 8/17/2004 10:14:57 PM
        
        re: ~sigh~ - Jason Van Steenwyk - 9/1/2004 3:12:29 AM
        
        Yeah, and Id just like to point out what a great organization is the MBLA - Jason Van Steenwyk - 9/2/2004 4:02:18 PM
        
        PS: that was me (n/t) - alcaray - 9/2/2004 4:03:19 PM
        
        LOL! (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 6:52:49 AM
        
        How do I know you are the same person? - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:47:27 AM
        
        re: How do I know you are the same person? - Tim McNabb - 9/2/2004 5:11:55 AM
        
        It's not so much the address as the type of address - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 6:01:03 AM
        
        re: It's not so much the address as the type of address - tim McNabb - 9/2/2004 5:49:03 PM
        
        This whole blogger authority thing has been on my mind for a while. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 10:52:14 PM
        
        Please keep it up! - alcaray - 9/3/2004 5:09:48 PM
        
        Oops. Ya got me. - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 6:29:06 PM
        
        I think there's a distinction between a purveyor of news and one of opinions - alcaray - 9/2/2004 6:33:44 PM
        
        re: ~sigh~ - Alasdair - 9/1/2004 7:57:05 PM
        
        ~tbbbthhh~ - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 2:18:33 AM
        
        re: ~tbbbthhh~ - Alasdair - 9/2/2004 6:38:34 AM
        
        "Great Game": Jason is a spy? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/2/2004 4:09:25 PM
        
        A Gilligan's Island reference! How cute! - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 12:09:08 PM
        
        re: A Gilligan's Island reference! How cute! - Alasdair - 9/3/2004 6:24:34 AM
        
        And this is pertinent to the main point of the discussion how? - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 6:45:46 AM
        
        re: And this is pertinent to the main point of the discussion how? - Alasdair - 9/3/2004 8:30:05 AM
        
        Ah. Clever boy. - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 12:11:47 PM
        
        re: Ah. Clever boy. - Alasdair - 9/4/2004 8:27:31 AM
        
        re: ~sigh~ - Jeb Hoge - 9/1/2004 2:30:01 PM
        
        Another country heard from - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 2:25:50 AM
        
        re: ~sigh~ - Eric Blair - 9/1/2004 12:44:05 PM
        
        No, some people will never get it. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 2:33:20 AM
- Neil Boortz - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 11:20:44 PM
- re: Maybe the Mainstream Media don't want to touch it because they don't know for sure were the lie is... - Chris Vancil - 8/13/2004 3:40:14 PM
  - If they gave it 10% of the attention of the 'Bush AWOL' non-story earlier this year, it'd be a major improvement - Larry J - 8/13/2004 3:58:57 PM
    - Re; Bush being AWOL is news! He is the sitting POTUS and this isn't resolved except in your mind. - Chris Vancil - 8/13/2004 9:51:50 PM
      - You prove the main point. - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 10:09:12 PM
        
        re: You prove the main point. - Chris Vancil - 8/14/2004 9:49:33 PM
        
        re: the main point. - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 4:27:28 AM
        
        re: the main point. - Chris Vancil - 8/15/2004 5:47:34 AM
        
        Kerry and dangerous assignments - Tom Brosz - 8/15/2004 7:54:26 AM
        
        re: Any where in Vietnam was dangerous...get a clue! - Chris Vancil - 8/16/2004 9:55:06 AM
        
        Do you have any source that shows Kerry deliberately chose Vietnam over Germany? - Tom Brosz - 8/17/2004 6:43:24 PM
        
        You're making a gross exaggeration - Larry J - 8/17/2004 2:35:47 PM
        
        From the San Francisco Examiner - Larry J - 8/14/2004 12:25:09 AM
- As Tim Blair put it... - Larry J - 8/13/2004 2:02:55 PM
- ....and then there is this, ......... - Publius - 8/13/2004 12:54:34 PM
  - Still killing the messenger, are we? - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 5:03:17 PM
- Then there's this... - Tom Brosz - 8/13/2004 5:08:25 AM
- re: Mainstream media bias, nailed to the wall. - tony - 8/13/2004 4:02:24 AM
- The infotainment media is fighting for its political life - Gary - 8/13/2004 3:28:09 AM
  - The internet as primary news source? Oh, good! - Mary Anne - 8/14/2004 12:47:43 PM
    - re: The internet as primary news source? Oh, good! - Aaron - 9/1/2004 8:38:29 AM
      - Spoken as someone who wouldn't know what libraries do if one fell on him. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 3:05:36 AM
        
        re: Spoken as someone who wouldn't know what libraries do if one fell on him. - Alasdair - 9/4/2004 8:37:17 AM
        
        re: Spoken as someone who wouldn't know what libraries do if one fell on him. - A Little Observer - 9/2/2004 3:26:02 PM
        
        When you don't have anything of substance to say, attack the speaker. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 9:10:01 PM
        
        re: When you don't have anything of substance to say, attack the speaker. - Alasdair - 9/4/2004 8:41:09 AM

Where is Bush's Poll Bump? He is the incumbent? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 4:23:22 PM
- Where Was Kerry's? - Mark Eby - 9/3/2004 10:50:54 PM
  - re: Depended on who polls you read...just as it does now. With CBS poll Kerry had 7%... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/4/2004 1:07:23 AM
- You mean like the 11 point lead being reported by Time? - Larry J - 9/3/2004 8:15:43 PM
- If they were bad for the Pres., they would be over the place wall-to-wall - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 7:21:44 PM
- If Bush wins.... - FrankC - 9/3/2004 4:38:51 PM
  - re: If Bush wins....about half this country will not be OKAY... - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 5:39:26 PM
    - No matter who wins, the country remains a work in progress - McFly - 9/3/2004 6:43:58 PM
      - I don't think you understand. - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 2:05:57 AM
      - re: No matter who wins, the country remains a work in progress - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 10:41:07 PM
    - about half this country will be disappointed - FrankC - 9/3/2004 6:41:23 PM
      - Civil disobedience is bad and embarrassing? You guys don't have a clue what this country is about. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/3/2004 7:23:33 PM
        
        I didn't see you out there alcaray. Not your style? (n/t) - FrankC - 9/3/2004 7:29:42 PM
        
        What could that possibly have to do with the foundation of our country? And the embarrassment you feel concerning it? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/3/2004 9:44:13 PM
    - He'll get a big bump. - Bowser - 9/3/2004 6:12:17 PM
- You might want to wait for the polls. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 4:29:21 PM
  - re: You might want to wait for the polls. - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 5:34:00 PM
  - LOL! Maybe Chris has a time machine. - REB - 9/3/2004 4:33:45 PM
    - re:I wish I had a time machine to send you back in... - Chris Vancil - 9/4/2004 6:50:20 AM

Signs that the war on terrorism can be won: Special Forces in action. - Tom Brosz - 9/4/2004 12:43:43 AM
- The Special Forces are incredible people. - Bowser - 9/4/2004 1:08:06 AM
  - Re: MIAs - Tom Brosz - 9/4/2004 1:13:42 AM
    - Went out to chop wood. Don't know what I'm going to do with all this wood. - Bowser - 9/4/2004 3:05:35 AM
    - That's mighty disappointing. - Bowser - 9/4/2004 2:31:06 AM
      - As far as MIAs are concerned, there's a lot of blame to go around. - Tom Brosz - 9/4/2004 6:37:56 AM

Bush Signs Homeland Bill Nov. 25, 2002 - Chris Vancil - 9/4/2004 1:56:01 AM
- Well if the war is an illusion, what is the problem? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 4:13:19 AM
  - re: You don't read any of this do you? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/4/2004 5:35:46 AM

11 Kurds killed in Turkey clashes - Bowser - 9/4/2004 4:56:21 AM

Text of Bush's acceptance speech - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 4:18:55 AM
- Kerry held midnight rally in Ohio. - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 5:17:22 AM
- It was superb. He kept the twinkle. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/3/2004 4:28:07 AM
  - I'm thinking of switching parties - Lindy - 9/3/2004 5:06:12 AM
    - I already did - Art Martin - 9/3/2004 7:10:30 PM
      - I figured out what I've been missing - Lindy - 9/4/2004 4:26:07 AM
    - Lindy is voting for Bush- told you it's going to be a landside:) (n/t) - gbaikie - 9/3/2004 5:12:09 AM
      - Always knew Lindy was a closet conservative - FrankC - 9/3/2004 1:54:23 PM

So Kerry now wants the right to decide how people should think about the military - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 3:06:31 AM
- In 1992 when Clinton was running for office, ... - Larry J - 9/3/2004 6:44:33 PM
  - re: In 1992 Republicans seemed to think it was big deal that Clinton avoided the draft. - tony - 9/4/2004 4:23:57 AM
- Kerry tried for, and failed to get, a deferment, too. A fact that seems to erase itself from certain brains every time I bring it up. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 4:05:06 AM
  - The anti-Bush cult is not rational. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 1:13:21 PM

Fair, Balanced and Accurate media moment of the day - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 4:23:40 AM

Election projections: Bush pulls into lead over Kerry - David F Mayer - 9/3/2004 5:44:11 AM
- Ah, you see- America is suffering from Electile disfunction. (n/t) - Davin L. - 9/3/2004 6:24:32 AM
  - Reminds me of a very old "dialect" joke... - Tom Brosz - 9/4/2004 12:07:48 AM
    - know how to hold a chinese election? (n/t) - tony - 9/4/2004 4:20:17 AM
  - re: Ah, you see- America is suffering from Electile disfunction. - Yes, Davin said it Robert! - 9/3/2004 6:29:13 AM

Fight Against Terrorism Requires Facing Unpleasant Facts - Chris Vancil - 9/4/2004 1:43:01 AM
- Well, if you find some facts, please post them. - ebnelson - 9/4/2004 4:14:52 AM
- re: Facing Unpleasant Facts - Tom Brosz - 9/4/2004 1:56:00 AM

Good ol' conservative family values. - Bowser - 9/1/2004 3:04:06 AM
- The Terminator gave an awesome speech. - Scott Evil - 9/1/2004 1:17:57 PM
  - I'll be back - REB - 9/1/2004 2:06:08 PM
- Text of Arnold's speech - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2004 3:22:22 AM
  - Cut to reality. Not words. Almost anyone can read a speech. (Except Bush.) - Bowser - 9/1/2004 3:24:08 AM
    - Yeah, the party of Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Robert Byrd is going to tell me how it is. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2004 3:45:38 AM
      - re: You're jealous! Yea! The repubs have Honest Ab Linc...oh he's dead... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/1/2004 8:42:14 AM
      - Not to mention "STARS" out the yin yang - FrankC - 9/1/2004 3:53:29 AM
      - Bill Bennett, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Richard Nixon, etc. - Bowser - 9/1/2004 3:49:50 AM
        
        40 states. Minimum. - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2004 3:51:45 AM
        
        Thoughtful reply. - Bowser - 9/1/2004 4:12:13 AM
        
        Reparations For Slavery Is A Goofball Idea. - Mark Eby - 9/4/2004 3:51:11 AM
        
        He's right, you know. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:45:23 PM
        
        That's a dismal view - FrankC - 9/1/2004 4:44:06 AM

More terrorism in Russia - REB - 9/3/2004 12:25:04 PM
- More here. - Tom Brosz - 9/4/2004 1:19:42 AM
- re: More terrorism in Russia - REB - 9/3/2004 4:01:34 PM
  - re: More terrorism in Russia - REB - 9/3/2004 4:09:36 PM
    - You're not alone. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/4/2004 12:04:36 AM
    - don't be embarrassed, feel proud of your humanity (n/t) - Daniel L - 9/3/2004 7:41:43 PM
      - Thanks - REB - 9/3/2004 8:15:08 PM
- There is no word in Russian for "mercy". (n/t) - David F Mayer - 9/3/2004 2:12:15 PM
  - Ð¼Ð¸Ð»Ð¾ÑÐµÑ€Ð´Ð¸Ðµ (n/t) - Alan G. Archer - 9/3/2004 3:23:38 PM
    - The Russian script didn't display correctly :( (n/t) - Alan G. Archer - 9/3/2004 3:26:39 PM
      - Not to worry. - Bowser - 9/3/2004 5:57:55 PM
        
        re: Not to worry. - Alan G. Archer - 9/3/2004 10:46:43 PM
        
        I think I understood the mesage - my feelings exactly...(n/t) (n/t) - E.P. Grondine - 9/3/2004 8:37:47 PM
- Refresh this for updates - Tony - 9/3/2004 2:05:57 PM
  - Thanks for the link. I'm watching this one. Too much fog right now. Horrible. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 4:00:59 PM

"Nader Gets on November Ballot in Florida" - Bowser - 9/2/2004 6:28:20 PM
- re: "Nader Gets on November Ballot" - Fox - 9/3/2004 3:30:36 AM
- Whatcha wanna bet Florida goes for Bush. One way or the other. - Bowser - 9/3/2004 12:01:07 AM
- Ok tell Rumsfeild he can turn off the Black-ops hurricane generator now...Florida is a lock. (n/t) - Scott Evil - 9/2/2004 6:44:56 PM
  - Speaking of, I do hope Lindy is okay. - REB - 9/2/2004 7:25:17 PM
    - I think Lindy os on the west side of Florida. If so, she will be OK. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 8:36:32 PM
      - Francis is predicted to cut right across the center of Florida - REB - 9/2/2004 9:08:46 PM
        
        Luckily storm surge of the ocean only really happens on the side it hits. - Art Martin - 9/2/2004 11:47:42 PM
        
        They were saying 2 1/2 million were leaving. - REB - 9/3/2004 12:29:11 PM
- Another part of the VRWC comes to fruition...bwhhhaahaahaa (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 6:35:41 PM
  - dunno about "vast" or "conspiracy"... - alcaray - 9/2/2004 8:47:04 PM
    - Not true. - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 9:06:25 PM
      - Was that a deliberate mischaracterization of what I said? - alcaray - 9/2/2004 11:36:09 PM
        
        I don't know. How do you define a "Republican push?" (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 4:03:37 AM
        
        No, obtuse one. I commented about getting on the ballot. You changed it to funding. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/3/2004 3:37:38 PM
      - Now, what would it take to demonstrate to you significant Republican funding? - Bowser - 9/2/2004 9:30:07 PM
        
        One in ten does not strike me as significant. - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 9:55:39 PM
        
        Please. TB - Nader has pointed out that it is a myth, largely pushed by Democrats, that he is financed by any kind of organized Republican funding. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/2/2004 10:15:37 PM
        
        Still a myth. That a fraction of donors are Republicans does not imply an organized party plot. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 11:35:08 PM
        
        Heh, heh. Just bit you on the nose, and you say you don't see it. - Bowser - 9/2/2004 11:55:36 PM
        
        Unless you can show me that the other 90 percent didn't give large amounts of money to Democrats too, you've got nothing. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/4/2004 12:10:37 AM
    - Getting Perot to run on his own nickle was the best trick ever. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 8:58:49 PM

This is priceless... - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 5:32:07 PM
- If Sen. Ted Kennedy wants to help elect Kerry, he should come out in favor of Bush. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 9/3/2004 5:35:42 AM
- Kerry does seem lackluster. - Bowser - 9/2/2004 5:46:01 PM
  - It's Simple - Mark Eby - 9/3/2004 2:05:43 AM
    - Aside from the trademark, "I voted for Clinton so my view counts more than yours".... - Tony - 9/3/2004 3:28:21 PM
      - No, I Think My View Is More Objective - Mark Eby - 9/3/2004 11:19:33 PM
    - "having won two wars" - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 12:53:45 PM
    - "having won two wars far easier than predicted by the press " - Bowser - 9/3/2004 3:12:50 AM
      - Nice Evasion By Reinventing History - Mark Eby - 9/3/2004 11:13:51 AM
        
        Not reinvented - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 1:01:41 PM
        
        The War To Topple Saddam - Mark Eby - 9/3/2004 11:32:12 PM
        
        When it's "over." - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 8:12:58 PM
        
        re: When it's "over." - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 10:50:15 PM
  - Liberal media - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 8:59:20 PM
    - Getting old - Tony - 9/2/2004 9:57:14 PM
    - Let's drive a stake through that particular piece of propaganda. - Bowser - 9/2/2004 9:43:30 PM
      - Then Why The Long Faces? - Mark Eby - 9/3/2004 2:12:33 AM
  - Kerry is tired: this campaign stuff is taking more than 120 days (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 6:31:30 PM

Bush Inventing The "Clinton Recession" - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 7:30:25 AM
- "Are you going to believe me or your own lying eyes?" - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 4:20:10 PM
  - re: "Are you going to believe me or your own lying eyes?" - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 10:20:22 PM
  - Oops. That should have gone under your "not the point" post. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 4:21:21 PM
- Start of the downturn - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 3:12:17 PM
  - re: Not the point. NBER is nonpartisan and they have always calculated recessions beginning and ending and the "Clinton Recession" is a Bush invention. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 3:59:32 PM
- The left hiding the Clinton recession. Good luck. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 3:03:58 PM
- The Economy was sliding down during Clinton's last year. - REB - 9/3/2004 12:16:42 PM

Clinton in for heart surgery - LJ - 9/3/2004 4:26:55 PM
- Here's wishing him a full and speedy recovery (n/t) - McFly - 9/3/2004 5:10:14 PM
  - Now he an Cheney have something in Common - REB - 9/3/2004 7:13:41 PM
    - 2 things in common :-) - Tony - 9/3/2004 9:27:55 PM

US flanked by hurricanes; East and West - Derek - 9/3/2004 2:25:37 PM
- Good and bad news - Art Martin - 9/3/2004 5:45:35 PM
  - re: Good and bad news - REB - 9/3/2004 6:25:44 PM
    - re: Good and bad news - Art Martin - 9/3/2004 7:19:48 PM

China to build pebble bed reactors? - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 5:46:23 AM
- Great article Tom - Art Martin - 9/3/2004 6:39:41 PM
- Interesting info on nuclear power - LJ - 9/3/2004 4:29:50 PM
- "Wouldn't it be massively ironic if, in twenty years, our nation and the world was scattered with safe, cheap nuclear reactors labeled "Made in China?" " - David F Mayer - 9/3/2004 6:05:19 AM
  - re: "Wouldn't it be massively ironic if, in twenty years, our nation and the world was scattered with safe, cheap nuclear reactors labeled "Made in China?" " - Art Martin - 9/3/2004 6:41:52 PM
  - re: "Wouldn't it be massively ironic if, in twenty years, our nation and the world was scattered with safe, cheap nuclear reactors labeled "Made in China?" " - Davin L. - 9/3/2004 6:21:16 AM
    - Good point. - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 3:15:46 PM
    - Breeder reactors - Gary - 9/3/2004 7:05:37 AM
      - Any plutonium can be used in a bomb. - David F Mayer - 9/3/2004 2:14:53 PM
        
        re: Any plutonium can be used in a bomb. - Davin L. - 9/3/2004 3:43:52 PM
- Nuclear power is totally worthless from an economic standpoint. - David F Mayer - 9/3/2004 6:03:32 AM
  - Suddenly now we get an allergy to subsidies? - Tom Brosz - 9/3/2004 3:17:27 PM
  - The history does not seem to support that completely. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 3:04:58 PM
  - Pebble bed reactors are different - Gary - 9/3/2004 7:12:19 AM
    - No they are not. All reactors can fail with possible breach of containment and loss of coolant. None is insured to reasonable levels. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 9/3/2004 2:16:36 PM
      - I am not moved unless you can cash out that claim - Davin L. - 9/3/2004 3:39:52 PM
  - That argument - Davin L. - 9/3/2004 6:18:24 AM
    - If it has not been done despite 50 years of intense effort and a trillion dollars of investment, it may not be doable. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 9/3/2004 3:02:51 PM
      - But your still arguing up the wrong tree - Davin L. - 9/3/2004 3:36:01 PM

The terrorists that did nothing in the nighttime. - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2004 6:52:35 PM
- good question - R.L. - 9/2/2004 12:18:25 PM
- Your ignoring the implications of the recent Russian suicide hijackings. - Gary - 9/1/2004 11:34:34 PM
- re: A label - Raoul - 9/1/2004 9:27:13 PM
  - Interesting observation... - Tom Brosz - 9/1/2004 10:37:41 PM
    - re: Interesting observation... - gbaikie - 9/2/2004 5:27:22 AM
- WTC was preventable, and seemingly so is any other complex plot. - Bowser - 9/1/2004 7:45:50 PM
  - Ditto Pearl Harbor, Little Big Horn, etc. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/1/2004 11:06:25 PM
- You could be right - FrankC - 9/1/2004 7:43:55 PM
- My Theory... - Scott Evil - 9/1/2004 7:41:57 PM
- re: The terrorists that did nothing in the nighttime. - Larry J - 9/1/2004 7:33:18 PM
  - Unfortunately... - Robert - 9/2/2004 3:59:02 AM
    - Conversely - Larry J - 9/2/2004 7:54:57 PM
    - Taking a line from FDR, I see. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:12:49 PM
      - Oh yes - Robert - 9/2/2004 3:23:00 PM
        
        That was wonderfully stated - Art Martin - 9/2/2004 5:07:30 PM
    - re: Fear is being used by both Bush and Bin Laden - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 7:04:12 AM
    - Agreed. Definitely a balancing act. - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 5:22:10 AM
- re: "What if they are blowing smoke?" Who is the "they" in your sentence? - alcaray - 9/1/2004 7:23:44 PM
  - re: "What if they are blowing smoke?" Who is the "they" in your sentence? - gbaikie - 9/3/2004 4:58:42 AM
    - You are ignoring what I wrote - alcaray - 9/3/2004 4:49:05 PM
  - The 9-11 attacks took a bit more than what you said - Larry J - 9/1/2004 7:45:12 PM
    - According to the 911 Commission, the cost was about $500K (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/1/2004 11:05:22 PM
    - no kidding (n/t) - alcaray - 9/1/2004 10:50:24 PM
- re: The terrorists that did nothing in the nighttime. - REB - 9/1/2004 7:18:54 PM

George W. Bush's missing year - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 7:48:31 AM
- yawn, that lead balloon was posted, and deflated, here earlier this week - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 1:12:18 PM
  - re: Linda Allison is the widow Allison and she has a different perspective from possible "enemies" of Bush... and he was still AWOL... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 3:36:37 PM
    - That lady's new story is only going to humor the Kerry Koolaid Kids. - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 4:10:34 PM
- Old old ground that has been stomped on over and over. - REB - 9/3/2004 12:27:12 PM

Some Bush from last time around... - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 8:14:14 AM
- Exactly right. Thanks. - ebnelson - 9/3/2004 1:19:50 PM

Cheney Super Hawk? Right...Cheney terminated more weapons systems... - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 8:34:12 AM
- re: Oops...the link. - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 8:39:06 AM
  - You shouldn't have gone through the trouble. - REB - 9/2/2004 1:41:26 PM
    - Here are the pertinent parts, so it will be less trouble. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 2:17:37 PM
      - Those 1992 reductions were a direct result of the Berlin Wall coming down - Larry J - 9/2/2004 2:59:05 PM
        
        re: My point isn't that Cheney necessarily was wrong "then" only that his a hypocritical A**hole.. - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:10:50 PM
        
        Then what was Kerry's excuses for his votes during the 1980s? - Larry J - 9/2/2004 5:31:58 PM
      - Thanks, I already read it, and like I said it wasn't worth the trouble. - REB - 9/2/2004 2:24:03 PM
        
        Amazing the differing levels of proof needed for cheney and Kerry (n/t) - Tony - 9/2/2004 3:09:34 PM
        
        Isn't it, thou. - REB - 9/2/2004 3:34:06 PM
        
        Sometimes I wonder - Tony - 9/2/2004 7:02:01 PM
        
        re: Sometimes I wonder - REB - 9/2/2004 7:20:18 PM
        
        Here - Tony - 9/2/2004 7:49:15 PM
        
        Thanks. - REB - 9/2/2004 7:55:31 PM
        
        You just graduated to my nonsensical hack list - alcaray - 9/2/2004 6:54:19 PM
        
        Actually you have been on my nonsensical list for a while. - REB - 9/2/2004 7:13:06 PM
        
        ...but you have not risen to the level of Bowser, Donald or Chris V. - REB - 9/2/2004 7:23:03 PM
        
        re: ...but you have not risen to the level of Bowser, Donald or Chris V. - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 8:25:45 AM
        
        re: ...but you have not risen to the level of Bowser, Donald or Chris V. - REB - 9/3/2004 12:09:07 PM

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