Because the Palestinians don't have a real government to order them to do so

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Because the Palestinians don't have a real government to order them to do so

z — 12/30/2008 7:03:36 PM (archived)

There's no question that Hamas is an unacceptable, terrorist organization.

Question - why did Israel encourage Hamas when it was first created, as a way to undermine any possibility of responsible Palestinian leadership and governance?

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100 tons of bombs dropped on Gaza - Lindy - 12/28/2008 2:29:16 AM
- Why Israeli and American indiscriminate Bombings and Shock and Awe won't work - Lindy - 1/2/2009 12:08:33 AM
  - re: indiscriminate bombings - TB - 1/2/2009 5:08:42 AM
    - More on the difference between the two sides - TB - 1/2/2009 4:39:57 PM
  - "â€œThey say my kids flew 40 meters before hitting the ground.â€" - Lindy - 1/2/2009 1:24:21 AM
    - How many kids died in Berlin, Dresden, or Tokyo? - Lee - 1/2/2009 1:38:51 AM
  - So what's your suggestion? - Lee - 1/2/2009 12:37:18 AM
    - re: So what's your suggestion? - Lindy - 1/2/2009 1:25:36 AM
      - Then keep quiet. - Lee - 1/2/2009 1:35:22 AM
        
        Actual Body Counts: Israel 3 Gaza 375 - Lindy - 1/2/2009 1:43:57 AM
        
        Yes, it is worth it. - Lee - 1/2/2009 1:54:01 AM
        
        Not that I want to have to take this to Flame - Lindy - 1/2/2009 1:39:09 AM
        
        Keep it civil then. - Lee - 1/2/2009 1:49:46 AM
        
        I do believe Hamas is a democratically elected government - Lindy - 1/2/2009 2:33:36 AM
        
        That's my point. - Lee - 1/2/2009 3:26:35 AM
        
        Scuse me? - Lindy - 1/2/2009 2:30:05 AM
- too bad the bombs weren't MK-77 Mod 4 - Obamavich - 12/31/2008 2:54:05 PM
  - Nuclear weapons are of no use in the Middle East - Raoul - 1/1/2009 9:36:45 AM
    - Wouldn't it be nice if this were a nuclear-free world? - Jacob - 1/2/2009 4:50:31 PM
- Galvanizing issue - azstrummer - 12/30/2008 6:14:22 PM
  - A basic misperception. - Bowser - 12/31/2008 5:12:11 PM
    - What do you call the wars of 48, 67, and 73? - Lee - 12/31/2008 10:46:03 PM
      - The result of Stalin's plan for the US in the middle east - E.P. - 1/3/2009 5:45:31 PM
      - I'm reluctant to answer you. - Bowser - 1/1/2009 12:29:09 AM
        
        Sounds like the answer of someone with no answer. - Lee - 1/1/2009 1:12:34 AM
      - ...completely forgotten by the "Enlightened." (n/t) - TB - 12/31/2008 11:00:44 PM
    - Some of what you say is probably true - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 7:29:30 PM
      - No. It isn't. - TB - 12/31/2008 9:25:52 PM
        
        TB's assertions and other delusions. The Israelis don't dispute their territorial ambitions. - Bowser - 12/31/2008 10:01:33 PM
        
        Hmm Chomsky's word or Toms......Let me ponder that - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 9:39:48 PM
        
        Argument from authority? - TB - 12/31/2008 10:55:34 PM
  - Wish it were that easy. - TB - 12/30/2008 9:22:40 PM
    - Nuclear destruction of Israel - azstrummer - 12/30/2008 10:36:22 PM
      - re: Nuclear destruction of Israel - TB - 12/30/2008 11:31:05 PM
        
        Tom, you're so deluded - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 1:37:35 AM
        
        re: deluded - TB - 12/31/2008 2:36:39 AM
        
        And just how do you propose - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 1:36:33 PM
        
        Now that's the $64,000 question. - TB - 12/31/2008 10:42:45 PM
        
        Just a few threads above, you were calling for building force fields around the whole region. - Lee - 12/31/2008 1:51:02 AM
        
        You're still an idiot Lee - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 1:37:54 PM
        
        Funny, I always thought that arguing two totally divergent points was the sign of an idiot. - Lee - 12/31/2008 3:59:54 PM
        
        Removing denial - RobVG - 12/31/2008 1:04:32 AM
- All the bombs in the world won't make the Palestinians good neighbors to the Israelis - z - 12/30/2008 4:56:37 AM
  - Yes and the SS were just policemen in Nazi Germany - Obamavich - 12/31/2008 2:47:12 PM
  - Reality check - TB - 12/30/2008 4:49:46 PM
  - So why aren't those "policemen" out arresting the militants firing rockets into Israel? - Lee - 12/30/2008 5:49:29 AM
    - Because the Palestinians don't have a real government to order them to do so - z - 12/30/2008 7:03:36 PM
      - Hamas was Israel's idea? - TB - 12/30/2008 8:52:34 PM
        
        Israel didn't create Hamas - they exploited its existence to undermine the PLO - z - 12/31/2008 12:41:53 AM
- Obama's view - TB - 12/29/2008 8:29:52 PM
  - A slight correction - addition." - Bowser - 12/29/2008 10:42:22 PM
- Solution remains the same - E.P. - 12/29/2008 4:45:49 PM
  - And when Hamas kidnaps or attacks the UN peacekeepers? - Obamavich - 12/31/2008 4:07:36 PM
    - Who says it's an unwinnable situation? - Lee - 1/2/2009 1:58:59 AM
      - re: Who says it's an unwinnable situation? - E.P. - 1/2/2009 9:40:00 PM
        
        I doubt most Muslims could even find Israel on a map. - Lee - 1/2/2009 10:25:07 PM
  - All you have to do... - TB - 12/29/2008 7:50:04 PM
    - A thousand words - TB - 12/30/2008 12:58:57 AM
  - E.P?... Do you live in what was Indian country? - Jacob - 12/29/2008 5:25:57 PM
    - The normans integrated themselves - Raoul - 12/29/2008 5:53:01 PM
      - It's useless, Raoul. - Bowser - 12/29/2008 8:41:38 PM
        
        Why did Dan Rather lie to US? - Obamavich - 12/31/2008 4:15:02 PM
        
        Do bombs know the difference between civilians and combatants? - Jacob - 12/31/2008 5:48:38 PM
        
        In a way you are right. - Jacob - 12/30/2008 6:41:06 PM
      - The Palestinians are a weapon. - TB - 12/29/2008 7:59:09 PM
      - Well at least the Israelis don't cut off hands off of slave workers, like in the Congo. - Jacob - 12/29/2008 6:00:26 PM
        
        re: We're in 2008, almost 2009 and we should learn history (n/t) - Raoul - 12/29/2008 7:59:25 PM
        
        My point is is that there is no nation on earth that doesn't have blood on its hands. (n/t) - Jacob - 12/30/2008 5:47:14 PM
        
        In addition, I beleive there will come a day where humanity will have to give a final account of its wrong doings. - Jacob - 12/30/2008 6:20:27 PM
        
        Jacob, I understand your prediction - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 1:43:04 PM
        
        Weapons become deadlier and death is less acceptable - Raoul - 12/30/2008 9:23:18 PM
- Bombs are no good - Eric - 12/28/2008 12:44:53 PM
  - Nice photoshop. - Lee - 12/28/2008 5:13:48 PM
    - re: Nice photoshop. - Eric - 12/28/2008 5:56:05 PM
      - Total photoshop - SteveS - 1/2/2009 7:48:40 PM
      - The steady handedness of the photographer for one. - Lee - 12/28/2008 6:03:05 PM
- "Most of those killed were security men" - TB - 12/28/2008 3:15:19 AM
  - re: "Most of those killed were security men" - Lindy - 12/28/2008 3:09:57 PM
- Israel learned well from the Nazis. - Bowser - 12/28/2008 3:07:17 AM
  - Here's a history lesson, Bowser. - Jacob - 12/29/2008 4:29:20 PM
    - That argument has never crawled, let alone flown, Jacob. - Bowser - 12/29/2008 8:33:13 PM
  - Thank you Bowz - Lindy - 12/28/2008 4:13:51 AM
    - re: Airstrikes - TB - 12/28/2008 5:05:34 AM
      - re: Airstrikes - Doug Ellison - 12/28/2008 3:12:33 PM
        
        How many times do we have to repeat all this? - TB - 12/29/2008 12:38:58 AM
        
        No words of condemnation for firing "a few rockets"? - Lee - 12/28/2008 5:29:48 PM
        
        re: No words of condemnation for firing "a few rockets"? - Doug Ellison - 12/28/2008 11:45:33 PM
        
        re: I agree with - Johannes - 12/29/2008 7:21:32 PM
        
        Your alternative will only work with sane people. - Lee - 12/29/2008 12:01:51 AM
        
        re: I agree with - Johannes - 12/29/2008 7:25:07 PM
        
        re: Airstrikes - Lindy - 12/28/2008 3:17:03 PM
        
        re: Airstrikes - Lindy - 12/28/2008 4:29:32 PM
- The solution is simple. - Lee - 12/28/2008 3:07:13 AM
  - "Israel is hitting legitimate targets, what targets are Hamas aiming at" - Lindy - 12/28/2008 4:26:24 AM
    - Hamas is aiming at civilians. What part of that don't you get? - Lee - 12/28/2008 5:12:30 AM
    - So by your "hitting" and "aiming at" theory... - TB - 12/28/2008 4:51:08 AM
  - So you don't believe Hamas' own words? - Lee - 12/28/2008 3:13:32 AM
  - Simplistic ignorance is the hallmark of the toxic bigot, don't you think? (n/t) - Bowser - 12/28/2008 3:08:19 AM
    - [Response by Lee deleted - use of names] - Space Moderator Nick - 12/28/2008 5:17:03 AM

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