So you don't believe Hamas' own words?

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So you don't believe Hamas' own words?

Lee — 12/28/2008 3:13:32 AM (archived)

They admit to breaking the cease fire and have been shelling Israeli civilians for over a week now. The defacto government of Gaza is attacking Irsael. Israel is responding in kind by attacking Hamas instillations. Those guys in black uniforms (sometimes they really do wear black) are the bad guys.

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100 tons of bombs dropped on Gaza - Lindy - 12/28/2008 2:29:16 AM
- Why Israeli and American indiscriminate Bombings and Shock and Awe won't work - Lindy - 1/2/2009 12:08:33 AM
  - re: indiscriminate bombings - TB - 1/2/2009 5:08:42 AM
    - More on the difference between the two sides - TB - 1/2/2009 4:39:57 PM
  - "â€œThey say my kids flew 40 meters before hitting the ground.â€" - Lindy - 1/2/2009 1:24:21 AM
    - How many kids died in Berlin, Dresden, or Tokyo? - Lee - 1/2/2009 1:38:51 AM
  - So what's your suggestion? - Lee - 1/2/2009 12:37:18 AM
    - re: So what's your suggestion? - Lindy - 1/2/2009 1:25:36 AM
      - Then keep quiet. - Lee - 1/2/2009 1:35:22 AM
        
        Actual Body Counts: Israel 3 Gaza 375 - Lindy - 1/2/2009 1:43:57 AM
        
        Yes, it is worth it. - Lee - 1/2/2009 1:54:01 AM
        
        Not that I want to have to take this to Flame - Lindy - 1/2/2009 1:39:09 AM
        
        Keep it civil then. - Lee - 1/2/2009 1:49:46 AM
        
        I do believe Hamas is a democratically elected government - Lindy - 1/2/2009 2:33:36 AM
        
        That's my point. - Lee - 1/2/2009 3:26:35 AM
        
        Scuse me? - Lindy - 1/2/2009 2:30:05 AM
- too bad the bombs weren't MK-77 Mod 4 - Obamavich - 12/31/2008 2:54:05 PM
  - Nuclear weapons are of no use in the Middle East - Raoul - 1/1/2009 9:36:45 AM
    - Wouldn't it be nice if this were a nuclear-free world? - Jacob - 1/2/2009 4:50:31 PM
- Galvanizing issue - azstrummer - 12/30/2008 6:14:22 PM
  - A basic misperception. - Bowser - 12/31/2008 5:12:11 PM
    - What do you call the wars of 48, 67, and 73? - Lee - 12/31/2008 10:46:03 PM
      - The result of Stalin's plan for the US in the middle east - E.P. - 1/3/2009 5:45:31 PM
      - I'm reluctant to answer you. - Bowser - 1/1/2009 12:29:09 AM
        
        Sounds like the answer of someone with no answer. - Lee - 1/1/2009 1:12:34 AM
      - ...completely forgotten by the "Enlightened." (n/t) - TB - 12/31/2008 11:00:44 PM
    - Some of what you say is probably true - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 7:29:30 PM
      - No. It isn't. - TB - 12/31/2008 9:25:52 PM
        
        TB's assertions and other delusions. The Israelis don't dispute their territorial ambitions. - Bowser - 12/31/2008 10:01:33 PM
        
        Hmm Chomsky's word or Toms......Let me ponder that - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 9:39:48 PM
        
        Argument from authority? - TB - 12/31/2008 10:55:34 PM
  - Wish it were that easy. - TB - 12/30/2008 9:22:40 PM
    - Nuclear destruction of Israel - azstrummer - 12/30/2008 10:36:22 PM
      - re: Nuclear destruction of Israel - TB - 12/30/2008 11:31:05 PM
        
        Tom, you're so deluded - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 1:37:35 AM
        
        re: deluded - TB - 12/31/2008 2:36:39 AM
        
        And just how do you propose - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 1:36:33 PM
        
        Now that's the $64,000 question. - TB - 12/31/2008 10:42:45 PM
        
        Just a few threads above, you were calling for building force fields around the whole region. - Lee - 12/31/2008 1:51:02 AM
        
        You're still an idiot Lee - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 1:37:54 PM
        
        Funny, I always thought that arguing two totally divergent points was the sign of an idiot. - Lee - 12/31/2008 3:59:54 PM
        
        Removing denial - RobVG - 12/31/2008 1:04:32 AM
- All the bombs in the world won't make the Palestinians good neighbors to the Israelis - z - 12/30/2008 4:56:37 AM
  - Yes and the SS were just policemen in Nazi Germany - Obamavich - 12/31/2008 2:47:12 PM
  - Reality check - TB - 12/30/2008 4:49:46 PM
  - So why aren't those "policemen" out arresting the militants firing rockets into Israel? - Lee - 12/30/2008 5:49:29 AM
    - Because the Palestinians don't have a real government to order them to do so - z - 12/30/2008 7:03:36 PM
      - Hamas was Israel's idea? - TB - 12/30/2008 8:52:34 PM
        
        Israel didn't create Hamas - they exploited its existence to undermine the PLO - z - 12/31/2008 12:41:53 AM
- Obama's view - TB - 12/29/2008 8:29:52 PM
  - A slight correction - addition." - Bowser - 12/29/2008 10:42:22 PM
- Solution remains the same - E.P. - 12/29/2008 4:45:49 PM
  - And when Hamas kidnaps or attacks the UN peacekeepers? - Obamavich - 12/31/2008 4:07:36 PM
    - Who says it's an unwinnable situation? - Lee - 1/2/2009 1:58:59 AM
      - re: Who says it's an unwinnable situation? - E.P. - 1/2/2009 9:40:00 PM
        
        I doubt most Muslims could even find Israel on a map. - Lee - 1/2/2009 10:25:07 PM
  - All you have to do... - TB - 12/29/2008 7:50:04 PM
    - A thousand words - TB - 12/30/2008 12:58:57 AM
  - E.P?... Do you live in what was Indian country? - Jacob - 12/29/2008 5:25:57 PM
    - The normans integrated themselves - Raoul - 12/29/2008 5:53:01 PM
      - It's useless, Raoul. - Bowser - 12/29/2008 8:41:38 PM
        
        Why did Dan Rather lie to US? - Obamavich - 12/31/2008 4:15:02 PM
        
        Do bombs know the difference between civilians and combatants? - Jacob - 12/31/2008 5:48:38 PM
        
        In a way you are right. - Jacob - 12/30/2008 6:41:06 PM
      - The Palestinians are a weapon. - TB - 12/29/2008 7:59:09 PM
      - Well at least the Israelis don't cut off hands off of slave workers, like in the Congo. - Jacob - 12/29/2008 6:00:26 PM
        
        re: We're in 2008, almost 2009 and we should learn history (n/t) - Raoul - 12/29/2008 7:59:25 PM
        
        My point is is that there is no nation on earth that doesn't have blood on its hands. (n/t) - Jacob - 12/30/2008 5:47:14 PM
        
        In addition, I beleive there will come a day where humanity will have to give a final account of its wrong doings. - Jacob - 12/30/2008 6:20:27 PM
        
        Jacob, I understand your prediction - azstrummer - 12/31/2008 1:43:04 PM
        
        Weapons become deadlier and death is less acceptable - Raoul - 12/30/2008 9:23:18 PM
- Bombs are no good - Eric - 12/28/2008 12:44:53 PM
  - Nice photoshop. - Lee - 12/28/2008 5:13:48 PM
    - re: Nice photoshop. - Eric - 12/28/2008 5:56:05 PM
      - Total photoshop - SteveS - 1/2/2009 7:48:40 PM
      - The steady handedness of the photographer for one. - Lee - 12/28/2008 6:03:05 PM
- "Most of those killed were security men" - TB - 12/28/2008 3:15:19 AM
  - re: "Most of those killed were security men" - Lindy - 12/28/2008 3:09:57 PM
- Israel learned well from the Nazis. - Bowser - 12/28/2008 3:07:17 AM
  - Here's a history lesson, Bowser. - Jacob - 12/29/2008 4:29:20 PM
    - That argument has never crawled, let alone flown, Jacob. - Bowser - 12/29/2008 8:33:13 PM
  - Thank you Bowz - Lindy - 12/28/2008 4:13:51 AM
    - re: Airstrikes - TB - 12/28/2008 5:05:34 AM
      - re: Airstrikes - Doug Ellison - 12/28/2008 3:12:33 PM
        
        How many times do we have to repeat all this? - TB - 12/29/2008 12:38:58 AM
        
        No words of condemnation for firing "a few rockets"? - Lee - 12/28/2008 5:29:48 PM
        
        re: No words of condemnation for firing "a few rockets"? - Doug Ellison - 12/28/2008 11:45:33 PM
        
        re: I agree with - Johannes - 12/29/2008 7:21:32 PM
        
        Your alternative will only work with sane people. - Lee - 12/29/2008 12:01:51 AM
        
        re: I agree with - Johannes - 12/29/2008 7:25:07 PM
        
        re: Airstrikes - Lindy - 12/28/2008 3:17:03 PM
        
        re: Airstrikes - Lindy - 12/28/2008 4:29:32 PM
- The solution is simple. - Lee - 12/28/2008 3:07:13 AM
  - "Israel is hitting legitimate targets, what targets are Hamas aiming at" - Lindy - 12/28/2008 4:26:24 AM
    - Hamas is aiming at civilians. What part of that don't you get? - Lee - 12/28/2008 5:12:30 AM
    - So by your "hitting" and "aiming at" theory... - TB - 12/28/2008 4:51:08 AM
  - So you don't believe Hamas' own words? - Lee - 12/28/2008 3:13:32 AM
  - Simplistic ignorance is the hallmark of the toxic bigot, don't you think? (n/t) - Bowser - 12/28/2008 3:08:19 AM
    - [Response by Lee deleted - use of names] - Space Moderator Nick - 12/28/2008 5:17:03 AM

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