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Byzantine politics swirling around the Chalabi raid - Gary - 5/22/2004 7:08:04 AM

Trucks made to drive without cargo in dangerous areas of Iraq - Bowser - 5/22/2004 1:32:02 AM
- So sayeth Seth - FrankC - 5/22/2004 6:40:42 AM

"Bremer's Lost His Mind"....... - Lindy - 5/21/2004 5:52:22 AM
- from "Bad enough" to even worse.... - Publius - 5/21/2004 5:04:44 PM
- Chalabi was always a POS - alcaray - 5/21/2004 3:53:30 PM
  - Says something about his handlers, doesn't it? - Bowser - 5/22/2004 5:57:14 AM
- "Damned if you do" department... - Tom Brosz - 5/21/2004 3:38:22 PM
  - When you lay down with dogs you get fleas......... - Lindy - 5/21/2004 4:18:36 PM
- Chalabi a spy for Iran - Buck Galaxy - 5/21/2004 6:47:43 AM

The Facts on Abu Ghraib . . . - D. Spires - 5/20/2004 10:58:27 PM
- Most prison abuse may have happened on a single day - Tom Brosz - 5/21/2004 7:25:30 PM
  - At least the photos seem to be....... - Tony - 5/21/2004 8:59:52 PM
    - That statement, if true... - FrankC - 5/22/2004 4:37:34 AM
    - That is an interesting statement. - Tom Brosz - 5/21/2004 10:38:00 PM

Not right and not fair - Donald - 5/20/2004 3:18:37 AM
- Thank you for a new experience... - REB - 5/20/2004 1:26:49 PM
  - For what its worth... - Donald - 5/20/2004 1:45:36 PM
- P.S. - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 3:51:24 AM
  - Well - Donald - 5/20/2004 4:29:46 AM
    - Increasing skyscraper safety - Larry J - 5/20/2004 2:06:21 PM
      - I like my idea - Lee - 5/21/2004 9:02:12 AM
        
        re: I like my idea - Larry J - 5/21/2004 7:26:57 PM
    - Lashing out - Mary Anne - 5/20/2004 1:29:30 PM
      - re: Lashing out - gbaikie - 5/20/2004 9:32:46 PM
        
        Thinking along different lines - Mary Anne - 5/22/2004 4:10:27 AM
- re: Not right and not fair - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 3:47:10 AM

"Fahrenheit 911" opens in Cannes, France - Lindy - 5/19/2004 5:06:30 AM
- Moore is both a RACIST and a HYPOCRITE!!!..I'm white, and male, and I'm NOT ASHAMED of being EITHER!!...UNLIKE THAT RACIST-HYPOCRITE, MR. MOORE!!! (n/t) - Jacob Samorodin - 5/19/2004 8:14:32 PM
  - re: Some impression - Raoul - 5/19/2004 11:02:15 PM
    - re: Some impression - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 3:32:17 AM
      - re: Some impression - Raoul - 5/20/2004 8:17:02 AM
        
        Why do I call Moore a liar? - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 4:22:47 PM
        
        I heard he got a 20 minute standing ovation at the end of the movie - Lindy - 5/21/2004 3:46:16 AM
        
        Nobody ever disappointed a Cannes audience by crapping on America (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/21/2004 4:35:08 AM
        
        re:Only a certain America (n/t) - Raoul - 5/21/2004 10:18:16 PM
    - Revulsion yes, fear hardly - FrankC - 5/19/2004 11:36:26 PM
      - Don't like the way he smells? Funny! (n/t) - alcaray - 5/19/2004 11:41:22 PM
        
        I confess - FrankC - 5/19/2004 11:47:54 PM
        
        Were you really down-wind of him? (becoming successively less subtle) (n/t) - alcaray - 5/20/2004 5:16:03 PM
        
        LOL - FrankC - 5/20/2004 5:42:39 PM
        
        Bottom line obvious, now: so you picked it from a published list of things conservatives are supposed not to like about Moore? (n/t) - alcaray - 5/20/2004 11:31:14 PM
        
        re: Bottom line - FrankC - 5/21/2004 12:27:52 AM
        
        Oh yeah? Well Bush stinks too! (n/t) - alcaray - 5/21/2004 3:22:44 PM
        
        sources please :) (n/t) - FrankC - 5/21/2004 3:27:11 PM
        
        People's choice - alcaray - 5/21/2004 4:04:03 PM
- Sure hope we get a chance to see it soon. - McFly - 5/19/2004 2:09:13 PM
  - If you are interested... - FrankC - 5/19/2004 9:27:22 PM
    - Thanks for the link, Frank. (n/t) - McFly - 5/20/2004 1:56:16 PM
  - re: Moore - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 5:57:49 PM
    - re: Moore - McFly - 5/19/2004 7:58:40 PM
- Hopefully... - Donald - 5/19/2004 1:45:10 PM

Some new information on the incident at the Syria-Iraq border - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 10:59:06 PM
- It appears that there are TWO unrelated incidents here. - David F Mayer - 5/21/2004 6:15:26 PM

Tom, I cant find the link I told you about... - alcaray - 5/19/2004 9:49:36 PM
- re: the link I told you about... - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 10:55:08 PM
  - Maybe. Too late to rerun the experiment the other way. (n/t) - alcaray - 5/19/2004 11:19:04 PM
    - re: the experiment the other way. - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 11:37:23 PM
      - Me too. We seem to be skipping a few steps in each post that leaves the other one guessing. - alcaray - 5/20/2004 11:27:47 PM
        
        Some clarification: - Tom Brosz - 5/21/2004 4:31:16 AM
        
        re: Some clarification: - alcaray - 5/21/2004 3:20:06 PM
        
        I think this all started with wondering why we were annoying Arabs with troops in Saudi Arabia. - Tom Brosz - 5/21/2004 4:00:27 PM
        
        And your insistance that without a continuing post-war military presence in SA... - alcaray - 5/21/2004 4:08:10 PM
      - Again, maybe - alcaray - 5/19/2004 11:45:12 PM
        
        Is there something in my scenario that sounds wrong to you? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 12:49:45 AM
        
        No. You have to have it exactly right. - alcaray - 5/20/2004 5:12:44 PM
        
        Huh? I don't agree with that statement. I think you lost me somewhere along the line. Sorry. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 10:42:05 PM
        
        Doh! (see above) (n/t) - alcaray - 5/20/2004 11:28:43 PM

Portland lawyer released. - RobVG - 5/21/2004 3:54:38 PM

Berg Arrests - Perspective - 5/21/2004 2:21:17 PM

Follow the money, an interesting map - SDG - 5/20/2004 9:04:45 PM
- Also from the same site - SDG - 5/20/2004 9:16:55 PM
  - Name search - Robert - 5/21/2004 3:57:57 AM
    - By the way, for another great site along these lines... - Tom Brosz - 5/21/2004 4:22:04 AM
    - re: Name search - Tom Brosz - 5/21/2004 4:19:12 AM

Tunnels? - Perspective - 5/20/2004 9:36:44 PM
- I have seen nothing much on this subject since the end of the war - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 10:30:58 PM
- re: Tunnels? - Raoul - 5/20/2004 9:57:29 PM

A Marine Sees What Defeatists Don't . . . - D. Spires - 5/20/2004 10:29:54 PM

U.S. Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Party . . . - D. Spires - 5/19/2004 10:22:24 PM
- U.S. Disputes Strike Report on Iraqi Wedding Party - REB - 5/20/2004 1:36:52 PM
  - What Is Sad - Perspective - 5/20/2004 6:41:46 PM
- Its only getting worse and worse - Donald - 5/19/2004 11:08:51 PM
- From what I've heard, there's more to this story. Wait for it. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 10:57:13 PM
  - re: From the DOD - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 4:19:10 AM
    - However... - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 4:41:04 AM
- That is what comes from using AK-47s as noisemakers in a war zone. Not too bright. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/19/2004 10:47:20 PM
  - That's THEIR Tradition....... - Lindy - 5/20/2004 3:53:07 AM
    - This is worse than Vietnam. (n/t) - Nick - 5/20/2004 2:32:37 PM
    - Evolution in action! - p - 5/20/2004 1:10:28 PM
    - re: That's THEIR Tradition....... A damned stupid tradition that means bullets raining down even during peacetime. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/20/2004 4:15:23 AM
      - re: INVADER - Raoul - 5/20/2004 9:17:54 AM
        
        Completely WRONG. It is the Iraqis that need to understand the rest of the world. - David F Mayer - 5/20/2004 8:09:55 PM
        
        Respectfully, no, you are wrong - alcaray - 5/20/2004 8:42:45 PM
      - This is why we are in deep trouble in Iraq - Donald - 5/20/2004 4:36:01 AM
  - What's none too bright... - Donald - 5/19/2004 11:12:44 PM

Extreme violence - Raoul - 5/19/2004 6:33:22 PM
- Why wait for the whole story? You've made up your mind. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 8:37:33 PM
  - I really don't understand your position against anything palestinian. - et - 5/19/2004 9:18:52 PM
    - You don't know the whole story either. - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 11:53:46 PM
- Tell me, Raoul!..How is the European media comparing the 41 Iraqis at a wedding killed by Americans, and the 10 palestinians killed by Israelis? (n/t) - Jacob Samorodin - 5/19/2004 8:08:10 PM
  - re: They report and don't "compare" (n/t) - Raoul - 5/19/2004 10:47:43 PM
- If the Palestinians cared about their children, they should have accepted the Barak deal. - David F Mayer - 5/19/2004 6:44:26 PM
  - re: the Palestinians that care about their children and want real peace, aren't the ones in charge. - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 3:36:30 AM
    - There is that, of course. Criticism of Arafat is considered "collaboration" and punishable by immediate death. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/20/2004 8:12:28 PM

cartoonist Thompson's (accurate) take on June 30 - Daniel - 5/20/2004 8:54:33 AM
- My favorite transfer of power cartoon - Donald - 5/20/2004 1:58:56 PM
  - an older Mars/Iraq one (Draughon) - Daniel - 5/20/2004 4:30:32 PM
    - re: an older Mars/Iraq one (Draughon) - Raoul - 5/20/2004 4:38:19 PM
    - - sorry, wrong HTML code, try this - Daniel - 5/20/2004 4:33:03 PM
      - ok .. THIS will work. I just know it - daniel - 5/20/2004 4:40:32 PM

Sarin confirmed in artillery shell - Tom Brosz - 5/18/2004 5:05:21 PM
- Media spin of the day... - Tom Brosz - 5/18/2004 11:12:05 PM
  - You have proof of course - Tony - 5/19/2004 3:35:43 PM
    - Failure - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 8:28:13 PM
      - I completely can't see why either your A or B must be true. - alcaray - 5/19/2004 10:15:20 PM
      - Yes, Failure - Tony - 5/19/2004 8:44:17 PM
        
        Okay, once more... - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 8:56:51 PM
        
        Ah well, once more for me too - Tony - 5/20/2004 3:57:15 PM
- Yesterday, you urged caution - alcaray - 5/18/2004 9:30:34 PM
- Just the tip of the iceberg of hidden chemical weapons in Iraq. - David F Mayer - 5/18/2004 8:26:32 PM
  - Tempting thought. Hope you are right. (n/t) - alcaray - 5/18/2004 10:29:21 PM
- I think if they had viable gas they'd be using it as gas. - Bowser - 5/18/2004 5:52:29 PM
  - Escalation? - Lindy - 5/18/2004 5:58:05 PM
    - The shell was of Iraqi manufacture. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/18/2004 6:14:00 PM
- re: Sarin confirmed in artillery shell - REB - 5/18/2004 5:17:14 PM
  - Last Night; ABC 3rd story, NBC- 3rd, CBS- 4th - RobVG - 5/18/2004 5:25:21 PM
  - Unmarked shell - Tom Brosz - 5/18/2004 5:24:13 PM
    - re: Unmarked shell - Larry J - 5/18/2004 5:59:40 PM
      - by Jove, I think you've got it!.......... - Publius - 5/18/2004 8:41:30 PM
        
        There was an unmarked nerve gas artillery shell - Tom Brosz - 5/18/2004 9:55:46 PM
        
        Back in HS metal shop - alcaray - 5/18/2004 10:33:34 PM
        
        I don't quite get where you're going with this... - Tom Brosz - 5/18/2004 11:23:36 PM
        
        What did the empty shells we found previously, look like? - alcaray - 5/18/2004 11:40:31 PM
        
        I wouldn't change my vote based on one shell - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 1:35:36 AM

"Winds of Change" war update - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 3:39:51 PM

Weather May Explain Mexico UFO Stir . . . - D. Spires - 5/18/2004 1:06:34 AM
- FLIR Representative Talks About Air Force Images - Juan - 5/19/2004 1:15:06 AM
- After 50 years and ZERO results, UFOs are no longer worthy of investigation. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/18/2004 1:52:06 PM
  - As a charter member of the Flat Earth Society.....welcome! (n/t) - Publius - 5/18/2004 8:21:13 PM
  - The Great and Powerful Oz has spoken! - Fox - 5/18/2004 4:28:47 PM
    - Yawn. And what have the last 50 + years revealed of any interest that was NOT already known? (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/19/2004 6:21:55 PM
- Trust the pilots. - Jack Herer - 5/18/2004 1:27:04 PM
  - re: They did not see 'craft' -- they saw 'something' . . . - D. Spires - 5/18/2004 10:18:33 PM
    - Their radar alerted them that there was something there. That's how they found out. (n/t) - Jack Herer - 5/19/2004 12:59:49 PM
      - re: That's how they found out -- what . . . ? - D. Spires - 5/20/2004 3:09:33 AM
      - Their radar alerted them. - Lindy - 5/19/2004 5:14:54 PM
        
        re: Lemme try this again . . . - D. Spires - 5/20/2004 3:32:23 AM
        
        re: Ball Lightning link . . . - D. Spires - 5/20/2004 3:35:08 AM
        
        Freaky stuff, just imagine what we could learn from it. - Lee - 5/20/2004 5:01:56 AM
        
        Radar can pick up atmospheric phenomenae such as meteor trails, clouds, inversion layer effects, and many, many more. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/19/2004 6:20:04 PM
    - Something isn't nothing, and therefor not a nonevent. (n/t) - Lee - 5/19/2004 4:22:57 AM
- Does Ball Lightening Show Up on Radar? - Lindy - 5/18/2004 3:01:36 AM
  - It is fast as lightning (n/t) - FrankC - 5/18/2004 5:07:19 AM
    - Actually it moves pretty slow. - Lee - 5/18/2004 5:19:47 AM
      - then in this case... - FrankC - 5/18/2004 5:52:39 AM
  - re: Yes . . . - D. Spires - 5/18/2004 3:25:51 AM
- Which would open up a whole other can of worms. - Lee - 5/18/2004 1:41:29 AM

Sarin shell produced after first Gulf War? - Tom Brosz - 5/20/2004 5:00:58 AM

Some good news from Iraq - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 11:40:03 PM
- Thank (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/20/2004 4:13:17 AM

Actor Tony Randall Dies at 84 . . . - D. Spires - 5/18/2004 10:12:01 PM
- Classy guy, met him a few times - carl - 5/19/2004 6:08:28 PM
  - re: I particularly liked him in Gremlins 2 -- and The Mating Game -- Pillow Talk . . . - D. Spires - 5/20/2004 3:00:58 AM

I propose psychological testing for all US Military personnel...and have lots of straight jackets on hand. - Jack Herer - 5/19/2004 7:35:21 PM
- Our military: an example. - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 11:00:46 PM
- Amazing how the Left can revel in collective guilt and stereotyping when it suits their purposes. - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 8:32:26 PM
  - Petard time - alcaray - 5/19/2004 11:01:00 PM
    - Good Lord, do you think this is the only place I've seen such an opinion? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 11:26:14 PM
      - Of course not. And I'm sure that Jack could dig up other cases to support for his thesis. - alcaray - 5/19/2004 11:39:04 PM
  - A bulls-eye, Tom - McFly - 5/19/2004 9:07:15 PM

Project for the New American Century - Enquiring minds - LJ - 5/18/2004 6:26:15 PM
- Nope - Larry J - 5/18/2004 7:11:36 PM
  - re: nervous - Tom Brosz - 5/18/2004 11:11:30 PM
    - re: Nervous - not me - Fox - 5/19/2004 7:41:12 PM
      - Allies - Tom Brosz - 5/19/2004 8:44:26 PM
        
        re: Allies - Raoul - 5/19/2004 11:14:26 PM
        
        re: Allies - Fox - 5/19/2004 9:42:03 PM
  - An Americentric reply to an Americentric doctrine - LJ - 5/18/2004 9:52:16 PM
    - It's every country's responsibility to look out for its own best interests - Larry J - 5/18/2004 10:27:46 PM
    - And see... - LJ - 5/18/2004 9:55:46 PM
  - re: However - Raoul - 5/18/2004 7:47:21 PM
    - Soft power doesn't have a very good track record - Larry J - 5/18/2004 8:28:54 PM
      - re: The Cold War - Raoul - 5/18/2004 9:22:42 PM
        
        re: The Cold War - Larry J - 5/18/2004 10:13:19 PM
        
        Trying again. Did Saddam have nukes, WMDs? - Bowser - 5/19/2004 4:39:39 AM
        
        Yes, he had chemical WMD. - REB - 5/19/2004 11:42:25 AM
      - Lessee - did Saddam have nukes, WMDs? - Bowser - 5/18/2004 9:16:32 PM

If you take the "no more Bush", and add the pro-Kerry, it would seem like a landslide. - Bowser - 5/18/2004 3:38:16 AM
- re: If you take the "no more Bush", and add the pro-Kerry, it would seem like a landslide. - Perspective - 5/18/2004 2:25:27 PM
  - Right After I Posted That - Perspective - 5/18/2004 2:29:02 PM
    - The numbers are going to be all over the board. - Bowser - 5/18/2004 2:57:27 PM
      - Nader factor as well... - E.P. Grondine - 5/19/2004 7:49:30 PM

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