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Johnny Carson - Raoul - 1/23/2005 9:23:43 PM
- Born in Corning Iowa (less than 10 miles from the childhood home of my wife, Anne Leftleaner.) - Scott Evil - 1/24/2005 3:04:04 PM
- Heeerrrrrreeeeee'sss Johnny! - Donald - 1/23/2005 11:36:29 PM

Anyone know what this salute means? - Eric - 1/21/2005 7:35:32 PM
- Illuminati Devil Hand Signals Prevalent Throughout Inauguration - Eric - 1/22/2005 8:02:57 PM
  - If I didn't know you better I would assume you were joking... - R.L. - 1/22/2005 9:31:07 PM
    - Ooh! Ooh! Permission to use the word "asshat" on this person, sir! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/22/2005 11:32:07 PM
      - Permission granted, however the correct term is 'lunatic asshat' for Eric - R.L. - 1/23/2005 1:17:38 AM
        
        Correction noted and logged, sir. - Tom Brosz - 1/23/2005 1:23:11 AM
        
        No, Tom, It is just plain funny no matter how many claim it (and an attempt to address a deeper issue) - R.L. - 1/23/2005 2:40:28 AM
        
        It's easy to "Spot The Looney" when they're talking about the Earth being flat. - Tom Brosz - 1/23/2005 3:27:51 AM
        
        Ok I am sick of this BS - R.L. - 1/23/2005 5:35:50 AM
        
        I never said the war was about oil... Look up my posts if you like - R.L. - 1/23/2005 5:24:49 AM
        
        Maybe the Democrats should have run a 5-year-old against him instead. - Tom Brosz - 1/23/2005 9:22:55 PM
    - Little Stuart is giving a hang ten hand sign, which is not associated with demonic salutes. - Eric - 1/22/2005 10:48:13 PM
- Hook'em Horns! - Larry J - 1/22/2005 6:10:46 PM
- Ahem... - RobVG - 1/22/2005 3:53:05 AM
- Its a salute to satan - R.L. - 1/21/2005 8:19:25 PM
  - Satan? - Eric - 1/21/2005 9:02:07 PM
    - You'd think the first picture should have clued you in. - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 9:26:50 PM
      - "W. Bush - Minion of Satan or Texas Sports Fan?" - E.P. Grondine - 1/22/2005 3:01:15 PM
- W? - Tony - 1/21/2005 8:17:17 PM
- Doesn't load for me. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/21/2005 8:04:14 PM
- I'll wait for a Texan to weigh in on this one. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 7:47:40 PM

Ukraine - Raoul - 1/23/2005 10:32:53 AM

testing 123 ~ stumblin' in - stanibol - 1/22/2005 5:47:59 AM
- Don't I know you from a religion board? - Mary Anne - 1/22/2005 1:53:51 PM
  - Aha! - Mary Anne - 1/22/2005 2:31:48 PM
    - Hi Mary Anne - stanibol - 1/23/2005 7:35:38 AM
    - that whole thread is an interesting foil, - jms - 1/23/2005 6:00:51 AM
- That was cryptic... (n/t) - R.L. - 1/22/2005 9:50:07 AM

And this - Bush Administration supports torture. After claiming torture is isolated, they ignored this item. Completely. - Bowser - 1/23/2005 5:59:53 AM

A voter in Iraq comments... - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2005 6:15:06 AM
- Ali's current comments - Tom Brosz - 1/23/2005 12:09:27 AM
- Someone comments, allegedly "a voter in Iraq". - Bowser - 1/19/2005 6:53:02 AM
  - re: allegedly "a voter in Iraq". - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2005 10:18:51 PM

The importance of the elections in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2005 7:31:36 AM
- "- - - democratically elected government - - - " - Bowser - 1/20/2005 4:51:40 PM
  - Yes We Know You Think - Mark Eby - 1/21/2005 3:05:06 AM
    - It's hard to imagine anyone being more wrong. - Bowser - 1/21/2005 5:57:14 PM
      - That Fig Leaf Isn't Covering Much - Mark Eby - 1/22/2005 4:37:58 AM
        
        But you keep driving it home. - Bowser - 1/22/2005 4:35:51 PM
        
        Nice Reply But - Mark Eby - 1/22/2005 6:03:56 PM
      - "One can understand without approving" - good point! - LJ - 1/21/2005 6:00:01 PM
  - This election will be imperfect. All elections are imperfect. It is the best that can be managed at this time. Why do you not accept that? (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/20/2005 5:22:19 PM
    - It is of genuine concern - alcaray - 1/20/2005 5:29:56 PM
      - re: It is of genuine concern - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2005 6:11:35 PM
        
        I am glad it is largely a phony issue (n/t) - alcaray - 1/20/2005 6:34:21 PM
      - If the Sunnis don't play the game, then the will not be able to help write the rules. It is THEIR choice to exclude themselves. THEY will suffer the consequences. - David F Mayer - 1/20/2005 6:06:16 PM
        
        Say C I V I L W A R (n/t) - Bowser - 1/20/2005 7:58:06 PM
        
        OK, "C I V I L W A R" Only the Sunnis are going to be wiped out if they don't stop attacking the Kurds and the Shi'ites. They are pouring gasoline on the very beds upon which they will lie. Outnumber… - David F Mayer - 1/21/2005 1:42:52 AM
        
        So next step: what happens to America's objectives if this happens? - Alcaray - 1/21/2005 3:22:14 AM
        
        A stable, pro-American government, dominated by Shi'ites and Kurds. The end of decades of violence caused by Saddam. The end of Sunni control of Iraq. Permanent USA bases in Iraq to project power in… (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/21/2005 3:29:44 PM
        
        By the way, you sound just like Saddam. (n/t) - Bowser - 1/21/2005 2:29:26 AM
        
        Uncanny, isn't it? (n/t) - LJ - 1/21/2005 2:32:25 AM
        
        Look, that is the Middle East. Revenge and Violence. I don't want it, but the Sunnis are setting themselve up for a fall. If they made a deal, they could be spared the retribution that is headed thei… (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/21/2005 2:32:07 AM
        
        Now you ARE beginning to understand. - Bowser - 1/21/2005 2:06:58 AM
        
        We shall see what happens in the next few months, after the Election. It may get better, it may get worse. Time will tell. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/21/2005 2:33:48 AM
        
        no question. point? (n/t) - alcaray - 1/20/2005 6:33:35 PM

Getting out of Iraq - E.P. Grondine - 1/22/2005 3:28:55 PM
- The problem with believing your own propaganda. - Bowser - 1/22/2005 4:22:10 PM

CIA predicts problems in Europe - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2005 5:54:13 PM
- re: CIA predicts problems in Europe - stanibol - 1/22/2005 7:28:47 AM
- Interesting - Davin :. - 1/20/2005 6:17:34 PM
  - re: Interesting - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2005 6:29:57 PM
    - Well, keep it in perspective - Davin :. - 1/20/2005 6:45:02 PM
      - The future is difficult to predict - Gary - 1/21/2005 4:01:24 AM

The Coming Wars - Jack Herer - 1/18/2005 3:15:05 PM
- re: The Coming Wars - stanibol - 1/22/2005 7:20:39 AM
- re: The Coming Wars - Tom Brosz - 1/18/2005 6:46:11 PM
- Before the Iraq war - Davin L. - 1/18/2005 5:28:48 PM
  - Interesting. And, you'll notice it's about Iran, not North Korea or Pakistan. - Bowser - 1/18/2005 7:37:29 PM
  - Alternatives - Tom Brosz - 1/18/2005 6:53:10 PM
    - just to point some of your rhetorical garbage out to you: - Davin L. - 1/18/2005 7:23:04 PM
      - So, you think the covert operations are good idea? Must have misread you. - Tom Brosz - 1/18/2005 7:48:51 PM
        
        Yeah, you do that a lot. ;-) - Davin L. - 1/19/2005 6:31:09 PM
        
        Same post, attempted HTML fix - Davin L. - 1/19/2005 6:44:31 PM
        
        more on Iran - Davin L. - 1/20/2005 3:32:11 AM
        
        Damn good post. - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2005 7:38:16 PM
        
        re: Damn good post. (the 'more later' part) - Davin L. - 1/19/2005 11:45:22 PM
        
        re: the 'more later' part - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2005 5:11:12 PM
        
        Again, in parts... Sorry - Davin :. - 1/20/2005 5:29:18 PM
        
        re: Again, in parts - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2005 6:09:10 PM
        
        re: Again, in parts - Davin L. - 1/20/2005 11:58:26 PM
        
        Back over the net... - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 4:46:10 AM
        
        re: nonsense - Davin :. - 1/21/2005 4:08:19 PM
        
        Slow lob over the net... - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 6:14:10 PM
        
        Still not *Quite* what I'm saying - Davin L. - 1/21/2005 8:28:29 PM
        
        Iran instead of Iraq - Tony - 1/21/2005 6:23:07 PM
        
        re: Iran instead of Iraq - Davin L. - 1/21/2005 8:36:41 PM
        
        Damn good last paragraph. Thanks. (n/t) - Tony - 1/20/2005 3:34:41 PM
        
        PS: More later, when I'm not at work. (n/t) - Davin L. - 1/19/2005 8:15:57 PM
        
        thanks, but grrrr for not listening - Davin L. - 1/19/2005 8:01:12 PM
        
        Listen to yourself, too. - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2005 10:38:22 PM
        
        PS - Davin L. - 1/19/2005 11:29:21 PM
        
        sorry, you got me confused. How does my argument work against me? Oh, I see. Only if you construct a strawman! Thanks for clearing that up - Davin :. - 1/19/2005 11:28:14 PM
        
        Attention robert S - Davin L. - 1/19/2005 6:34:55 PM
        
        And if Iran had folks over here surveying US nuke facilities? - Bowser - 1/18/2005 8:44:16 PM

He just can't help himself - "Gap between Bush's rhetoric, reality" - Bowser - 1/21/2005 7:36:47 AM
- re: He just can't help himself - "Gap between Bush's rhetoric, reality" - stanibol - 1/22/2005 7:15:48 AM

DoD taken over by lawyers - alcaray - 1/19/2005 4:24:19 PM
- figgered it out: "nascent operational capability" is what you use to counter "weapons of mass destruction-related program activities" (n/t) - alcaray - 1/20/2005 7:20:15 PM
- My personal opinion is that the Anti Ballistic Missile Defense Program is doomed to failure. - David F Mayer - 1/19/2005 10:55:40 PM
  - I think you are too pessimistic. - Scott Evil - 1/20/2005 2:21:43 PM
    - I said that the system should be tested against the number of missiles that it was designed to intercept. Not more. It would still fail miserably until quite a few FULL-SCALE tests like mine were per… (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/20/2005 6:04:09 PM
    - "The better our defenses, the less likely we are to be attacked." - are you sure? - LJ - 1/20/2005 5:52:24 PM
      - "Mr. President! We cannot allow a mineshaft gap!" - Mary Anne - 1/21/2005 2:08:17 AM
        
        Defenses - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 5:38:35 PM
        
        But wouldn't it be worth the extra money to give the ABM system a realistic test? - David F Mayer - 1/21/2005 9:06:13 PM
        
        "Infallible" defense and a false sense of security - Mary Anne - 1/21/2005 8:46:48 PM
        
        re: "Infallible" defense - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 10:32:53 PM
  - No, the reason why such tests will never be conducted... - Larry J - 1/20/2005 1:29:32 AM
    - "Not only that, but you'd end up shooting all of your missiles every 6 months" Absurd. Of course, you have spares to replace the ones to be fired. - David F Mayer - 1/20/2005 6:02:10 PM
      - You have no clue as to how complex systems are tested - Larry J - 1/20/2005 8:36:10 PM
        
        My point is simple: Only a FULL SCALE test can prove the reliability of such a system. Look at the "Patriot 1 Missile" It was a total failure. Why? Because it had never undergone a baptisim of fire. - David F Mayer - 1/21/2005 1:47:22 AM
        
        By your "reasoning"... - Larry J - 1/21/2005 2:34:44 PM
        
        By my reasoning, the only decent test is a full-scale REALISTIC test. - David F Mayer - 1/21/2005 9:00:19 PM
- I like Ann Coulters silly rhetoric better... - Davin :. - 1/19/2005 9:30:25 PM
- US Missile Test Failure Caused By 'Minor' Glitch: General - Bowser - 1/19/2005 4:36:00 PM
  - And if the integrated system were to be tested, hundreds of minor glitches would surface, rendering it totally worthless. - David F Mayer - 1/21/2005 1:49:04 AM

ABC succeeds in finding their inauguration corpse. - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 7:39:55 PM

Latest Iraq poll on elections - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 7:01:45 PM

Irritating article by Peggy Noonan - Gary - 1/21/2005 6:38:16 AM

"Michael Moore Bodyguard Arrested on Airport Gun Charge" - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 5:40:50 AM

Chrenkoff makes a point - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 5:08:14 AM

C-130s delivered to Iraq military - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2005 6:37:42 PM
- Considering the US has C-130s coming out it's hangars, - Bowser - 1/21/2005 2:27:13 AM
- Evergreen tree? What's that about? (n/t) - alcaray - 1/20/2005 10:10:44 PM
  - It's called "tree topping" - Larry J - 1/20/2005 10:58:17 PM
    - Well, everyone knows about the evil spirits... - alcaray - 1/20/2005 11:54:55 PM
      - re: evil spirits - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 4:33:22 AM

Another sad event in Iraq - Eric - 1/21/2005 3:51:03 AM
- re: Another sad event in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2005 4:15:42 AM

Bush Inauguration Speech - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2005 5:36:48 PM
- I think it was an excellent speech - Gary - 1/21/2005 3:43:51 AM
- re: Bush Inauguration Speech - Tom Charlton - 1/21/2005 12:57:46 AM
  - "Thank goodness for the Red States!" - Mary Anne - 1/21/2005 1:59:07 AM
- "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self." - Larry J - 1/20/2005 9:21:20 PM
- re: Bush Inauguration Speech - gbaikie - 1/20/2005 8:30:59 PM
- Yawn................ - carl - 1/20/2005 6:03:51 PM
  - And the meaning is the opposite of what's said. (n/t) - Bowser - 1/20/2005 8:02:56 PM
  - Lips get tired reading the whole thing? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2005 6:09:56 PM

1,365 - Donald - 1/17/2005 4:34:35 PM
- And how many have the terrorists lost so far? (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/17/2005 5:25:02 PM
  - Tell me (n/t) - alcaray - 1/17/2005 7:06:33 PM
    - re: Tell me - Tom Brosz - 1/17/2005 7:41:07 PM
      - How many have been detained and have been determined to be enemy, rather than civilian? - David F Mayer - 1/17/2005 7:47:46 PM
        
        Where do you get your secret knowledge of "Iraqi army prisons" from? - alcaray - 1/17/2005 9:30:48 PM
        
        You don't want to know. You may think that you do, but you don't. - DFM - 1/17/2005 10:42:12 PM
        
        Why would I not want to know something? You are such a drama king. - alcaray - 1/17/2005 11:34:43 PM
  - This isn't a sports scorecard - Donald - 1/17/2005 6:15:18 PM
    - P.S. The 100,000 number is still crap. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/17/2005 6:36:52 PM
      - No it isn't. It's not a hard, accurate number, but it's a reasonable estimate. (n/t) - LJ - 1/17/2005 9:12:17 PM
        
        It is not even in the ball park - ebnelson - 1/19/2005 3:56:11 AM
        
        Yes it is - LJ - 1/21/2005 2:37:41 AM
    - Yeah, what the hell do enemy losses have to do with how a war is going? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/17/2005 6:36:21 PM
      - Nothing. After all, the enemy has infinite resources, infinite money, infinite recruits, infinite power. We are fighting an invincible opponent. We might as well give up. [Or, rather, that is what th… - David F Mayer - 1/17/2005 10:54:27 PM
        
        can't tell if you agree or disagree with Tom (n/t) - alcaray - 1/18/2005 7:14:15 PM
        
        re: can't tell if you agree or disagree with Tom. Then READ what I wrote. You will find out what I mean. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/20/2005 6:10:02 PM
        
        Tom was talking about whether counts of enemy losses meant anything - alcaray - 1/21/2005 3:30:34 AM

Another Marine's e-mail from Iraq - Tom Brosz - 1/18/2005 9:41:46 PM
- It's always been absolutely great over there. And keeps getting worse and worse. - Bowser - 1/18/2005 11:33:57 PM
  - If you have been told once, you have been told a million times: stop exagerrating. (n/t) - ebnelson - 1/19/2005 8:20:30 PM
  - Yeah, what the hell would one of the guys over there on the front know about it. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2005 2:37:28 AM
    - Now he'd know his area very well. Extremely well. And how come it's a mess if it's always good? - Bowser - 1/19/2005 3:10:51 AM
      - As always the real picture lies somewhere between - Tony - 1/19/2005 5:55:07 PM
        
        re: the real picture - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2005 7:12:39 PM
        
        confusing hearing with listening? - tony - 1/19/2005 7:31:05 PM
        
        You might find Andrew Sullivan interesting today. - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2005 8:23:01 PM
        
        I read that - Tony - 1/20/2005 3:32:47 PM
        
        Now, go over that little list you just made... - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2005 5:17:47 PM
        
        Didn't say they were false - Tony - 1/20/2005 5:20:31 PM
        
        Okay, misinterpreted the phrase "injection of reality." (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2005 5:38:59 PM
        
        What do you want from me? - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2005 7:51:43 PM
        
        re: What do you want from me? - gbaikie - 1/20/2005 1:12:31 PM
        
        They want you to have a lobotomy and become another liberal (n/t) - Join us! It's painless!! - 1/20/2005 3:52:20 AM

Rice confirmed by committee - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2005 8:04:06 PM
- Even Joe Biden voted for her. - Scott Evil - 1/20/2005 2:03:22 PM
  - In committee - Mary Anne - 1/20/2005 3:07:45 PM
    - re: In committee - Davin :. - 1/20/2005 4:00:26 PM
      - Yeah, but they are all team players. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/20/2005 5:31:40 PM
- Not everyone thinks Rice is a good public servant. You wanted unanimous? (n/t) - alcaray - 1/19/2005 10:21:17 PM

Major Saudi Mullah comes out against terror. - David F Mayer - 1/20/2005 5:19:52 PM

I've figured out Barbara Boxer's role in the Democratic Party... - Tom Brosz - 1/18/2005 8:15:07 PM
- Would it really hurt Rice to tell her off? - Lee - 1/19/2005 8:48:53 AM
  - It is a confirmation hearing. Want me to dig up some choice GOP quotes from the Clinton years? (n/t) - alcaray - 1/19/2005 3:58:50 PM
  - re: Would it really hurt Rice to tell her off? - Marcia - 1/19/2005 3:02:28 PM
    - Seems like kissing up didn't work either. - Lee - 1/20/2005 8:37:49 AM
    - Marcia is right - Gary - 1/19/2005 4:16:45 PM
      - That and evade all of the hard questions. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/19/2005 4:57:35 PM
        
        re: That and evade all of the hard questions. - gbaikie - 1/20/2005 3:55:36 AM
        
        You don't follow congressional hearings much, do you. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/20/2005 4:45:56 PM
- re: The tsunami is a tragedy, not a wonderful opportunity - Raoul - 1/19/2005 6:46:48 AM
- I just figured out your role in The Habitable Zone... - et - 1/18/2005 9:15:06 PM
  - Do you think Condy is a weak woman? - ebnelson - 1/19/2005 3:52:57 AM
    - Good grief! (n/t) - alcaray - 1/19/2005 4:00:08 PM

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