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The Noble Press - gbaikie - 6/17/2004 11:55:16 AM

Interview with Gen Karpinski - LJ - 6/17/2004 4:15:51 AM

26 Ex-U.S. Diplomats Urge Bush's Ouster - Donald - 6/16/2004 6:23:07 PM
- re: 26 Ex-U.S. Diplomats Urge Bush's Ouster - gbaikie - 6/16/2004 11:28:05 PM

Supremes dodge another bullet - Fox - 6/14/2004 11:02:45 PM
- What did Diana Ross do this time? (n/t) - Art Martin - 6/15/2004 3:36:56 PM
  - *grin* Thanks, Art (n/t) - Fox - 6/15/2004 9:03:21 PM
- What does the 1st Amendment have to do with it? - Lee - 6/15/2004 6:23:06 AM
  - Everything - Fox - 6/15/2004 9:18:46 PM
    - But where did the case law come from? - Lee - 6/16/2004 12:07:43 AM
      - First example - Fox - 6/16/2004 7:18:38 PM
  - Careful what you ask for - Art Martin - 6/15/2004 4:08:30 PM
    - I agree - Lee - 6/16/2004 12:01:47 AM
    - And thanks, again - well put (n/t) - Fox - 6/15/2004 9:06:16 PM
  - So any other body than congress is able to abridge 1st amendment rights? Think about it. (n/t) - alcaray - 6/15/2004 3:26:27 PM

"I'm cheeky, I'm sexy, whatever. You know, I've got a lot of life inside." - FrankC - 6/15/2004 5:00:03 PM
- If you say so, Frank, but somehow I doubt it. (n/t) - Bowser - 6/16/2004 4:39:34 AM
  - of course you doubt it... - FrankC - 6/16/2004 3:38:52 PM
    - lot of that going around (n/t) - alcaray - 6/16/2004 5:51:01 PM
- Well... - alcaray - 6/15/2004 6:27:19 PM

More Quagmire: Iraqi Deputy Foreign Minister Killed - Donald - 6/12/2004 1:22:19 PM
- re: Quagmire - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 9:25:55 PM
  - Quagmire - REB - 6/14/2004 1:58:16 PM
    - Not so confusing, guys. - alcaray - 6/14/2004 5:26:17 PM
- Terrorists as Pests - Lindy - 6/12/2004 3:47:53 PM
  - You present a severely limited definition of Terrorism....... - Publius - 6/13/2004 10:04:06 PM
    - No Political Agenda Here Publius - Lindy - 6/16/2004 4:06:53 PM
  - re: Terrorists as Pests - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 9:16:28 PM
    - re: Terrorists as Pests - gbaikie - 6/13/2004 12:03:59 AM
      - re: Terrorists as Pests - REB - 6/14/2004 2:03:22 PM
  - re: Terrorists as Pests - RobVG - 6/12/2004 5:14:33 PM
    - (finite- in the short run) (n/t) - RobVG - 6/12/2004 5:19:37 PM

Cheney's Secret Bunker Disclosed. - Jack Herer - 6/15/2004 4:07:36 PM
- This just in: Huge stash of Rogaine found in bunker (n/t) - Art Martin - 6/16/2004 3:51:47 PM
- TIME magazine to pick up Site R replacement cost? - E.P. Grondine - 6/16/2004 3:29:46 PM
- ohfercryinoutlowd! - Pete Stanley - 6/16/2004 8:38:14 AM
- An elevator ride from Halliburton's Board Room? (n/t) - Bowser - 6/16/2004 4:35:22 AM
- Site R located in Raven Rock mountain - Jack Herer - 6/15/2004 6:20:14 PM
- They're right about Anne Frank. - Tom Brosz - 6/15/2004 5:24:08 PM
  - And who "outted" Valerie Plame? - Bowser - 6/16/2004 4:37:37 AM
    - re: And who "outted" Valerie Plame? - Pete Stanley - 6/16/2004 8:46:08 AM
      - I think it had to be higher. - Bowser - 6/16/2004 2:02:45 PM
- Drudge is probably jealous of the scoop (n/t) - alcaray - 6/15/2004 4:15:48 PM

Diplomats and Military Commanders with tough talk about Bush. - alcaray - 6/14/2004 9:03:44 PM
- Adm. Crowe was against the Persian Gulf War, too. - ebnelson - 6/15/2004 11:38:13 PM
  - Patriot act? No. - alcaray - 6/16/2004 3:23:13 PM
- What's the difference in them and the Vet group that called for Kerry's defeat? (n/t) - FrankC - 6/15/2004 5:24:19 AM
  - Different set of people. Different skill sets. Different criticisms. Etc. (n/t) - alcaray - 6/15/2004 3:28:40 PM
- Is that nice? - RobVG - 6/14/2004 10:09:08 PM
  - Ah: bribed. Good way to skip the research of their pasts. (n/t) - alcaray - 6/14/2004 10:17:05 PM

USA to keep custody of Saddam Hussein - David F Mayer - 6/16/2004 12:18:12 PM

The Evacuation of Saudi Arabia - Success_Machine - 6/16/2004 10:24:29 AM

Iran plowing ahead toward nuclear weapons - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2004 5:53:31 AM
- It all started with Eisenhower's "Atom's for Peace" program. - David F Mayer - 6/14/2004 1:32:06 AM
  - re: Nuclear energy - Raoul - 6/14/2004 5:45:38 AM
    - Humbug. The Department of Energy, along with the Nuclear Engineering Establishment - David F Mayer - 6/14/2004 10:42:11 AM
      - Ocean thermal gradients are interesting but...... - Gary - 6/16/2004 7:04:17 AM
      - Powering Guam vs. powering Kansas City - Mary Anne - 6/14/2004 11:26:06 AM
        
        Decentralization versus economy of scale. - David F Mayer - 6/14/2004 12:39:40 PM
        
        Power grids AC versus DC - Gary - 6/15/2004 3:52:12 PM
        
        re: Power grids AC versus DC - David F Mayer - 6/15/2004 8:05:47 PM
        
        re: Power grids AC versus DC - Larry J - 6/15/2004 4:10:03 PM
        
        re: Power grids AC versus DC - David F Mayer - 6/15/2004 9:03:42 PM
        
        The problem with high voltage DC transmission... - Larry J - 6/15/2004 9:18:30 PM
        
        re: The problem with high voltage DC transmission... - David F Mayer - 6/15/2004 9:35:51 PM
        
        Speaking of saving energy - REB - 6/15/2004 1:06:21 PM
- So you finally have found WMD's....a real case of Right Church---Wrong Pew......... - Publius - 6/13/2004 8:41:57 PM
  - Regarding WMDs - Larry J - 6/14/2004 9:25:19 PM
    - re: Regarding WMDs - REB - 6/15/2004 12:42:22 PM
  - Iran did not have to hide them like Iraq did. - REB - 6/14/2004 2:11:53 PM
    - Yeah, the tooth fairy found 'em under Sadr's pillow........ (n/t) - Publius - 6/14/2004 6:07:12 PM
      - Just keep ignoring the evidence. - REB - 6/14/2004 6:34:03 PM
- rSo talking harshly has not worked with Iran, either. We need clinont/albright to hide harsh reality for us again. - ebnelson - 6/13/2004 1:16:40 PM

Humorous bit about the L.A. Times poll - Gary - 6/15/2004 4:29:00 PM
- Lying push polls from the same paper that tried to torpedo the Cal. recall. - ebnelson - 6/15/2004 11:35:48 PM

Abu Ghraib Used Aggressive Tactics - RobVG - 6/13/2004 2:51:40 AM
- Secret world of US jails - Eric - 6/14/2004 12:39:58 AM
  - When a nasty little monkey annoys the BIG GORILLA, he is going to be torn limb from limb. - David F Mayer - 6/14/2004 1:26:23 AM
    - Your post is offensive David - Lindy - 6/14/2004 3:21:46 AM
      - YOUR post is offensive. These guys were, for the most part, caught in the act of fighting for Al Qaeda. The HELL with them. - David F Mayer - 6/14/2004 10:46:53 AM
        
        So now you're judge and jury? - Lindy - 6/14/2004 5:04:02 PM
        
        It is the business of the captors to separate the wheat from the chaff. - David F Mayer - 6/14/2004 6:25:23 PM
        
        Before or after the Accord violations? Or are the violations part of the chaff separation process? (n/t) - alcaray - 6/14/2004 8:40:21 PM
        
        10 Things You Never Knew about Mohammed Atta - Lindy - 6/14/2004 5:40:24 PM
- re: Abu Ghraib Used Aggressive Tactics - RobVG - 6/13/2004 5:51:49 PM
  - re: Abu Ghraib Used Aggressive Tactics - Alan G. Archer - 6/13/2004 9:02:39 PM
- New Abu Torture Photos - Dogs Tear Flesh From Iraqis - Eric - 6/13/2004 2:16:58 PM
- What's at stake - Mary Anne - 6/13/2004 1:02:56 PM
  - re: What's at stake - Tom Brosz (public library in Wisconsin) - 6/15/2004 5:31:52 PM
    - re: What's at stake - gbaikie - 6/15/2004 10:42:52 PM
  - Thank you, Mary Anne, for giving voice to those powerful, anguished words (n/t) - McFly - 6/14/2004 1:50:23 PM
  - a national soul at stake............... - Publius - 6/13/2004 9:04:17 PM
- re: No, sir! - Raoul - 6/13/2004 9:43:16 AM
- re: Abu Ghraib Used Aggressive Tactics - Alan G. Archer - 6/13/2004 5:59:27 AM

Beijing auto show......... - Publius - 6/13/2004 9:33:08 PM
- re: Slave labor isn't the only thing you should be worried about - Success_Machine - 6/14/2004 1:49:52 PM
  - Language not that effective a barrier........ - Publius - 6/14/2004 6:02:53 PM
    - re: Language not that effective a barrier........ - Success_Machine - 6/15/2004 11:20:08 AM
    - Position to pollute. - RobVG - 6/14/2004 6:35:52 PM
      - Much more worried about the economic pollution than the environmental one.................... (n/t) - Publius - 6/15/2004 6:36:26 PM

Kerryâ€™s Quagmire. - REB - 6/15/2004 11:47:14 AM
- Kerry remains unexamined - Gary - 6/15/2004 4:16:13 PM
  - Kerry lacks direction. - REB - 6/15/2004 4:26:48 PM
    - Let's hope he would continue Bush's policies - Gary - 6/15/2004 4:40:48 PM
      - re: Let's hope he would continue Bush's policies - REB - 6/15/2004 4:46:58 PM

Karzai is thankful for US help in Afganistan - REB - 6/15/2004 4:22:12 PM

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again! Persistance defeats another terrorist. - David F Mayer - 6/15/2004 3:04:34 AM

Politics' unsavory ingredients - alcaray - 6/14/2004 11:38:00 PM

Good News From Iraq, Part 3 - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 5:04:17 AM
- And then there's this - Larry J - 6/14/2004 9:18:38 PM
- Good news from the quagmire. Thanks Tom! - REB - 6/14/2004 6:01:18 PM

Gorbachev - We all lost the Cold War, particularly the USA and the USSR. - Bowser - 6/12/2004 3:49:39 AM
- Loosing it would have been an all out nuclear war. - REB - 6/14/2004 2:16:38 PM
- The losses are incalculable - S - 6/14/2004 3:58:43 AM
- Losers always call for a tie. - ebnelson - 6/13/2004 3:40:20 AM
- collapse of C.C.C.P........................ - Publius - 6/12/2004 12:29:32 PM
  - re: collapse of C.C.C.P........................ - Alan G. Archer - 6/12/2004 4:56:40 PM
    - collapse of C.C.C.P........................ - Publius - 6/13/2004 9:18:55 PM
- Some more comment on this - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 5:41:55 AM
  - Hey, when I look and see........ - Publius - 6/13/2004 9:24:06 PM
- Gorby is absolutely right - Buck Galaxy - 6/12/2004 5:07:34 AM
  - should say "never happened" (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 6/12/2004 8:04:40 AM
- "We contend that the strategy of deterrence prolonged the Cold War and helped to extend the life of communism in eastern Europe and the Soviet Union"--- How so? (n/t) - RobVG - 6/12/2004 4:25:16 AM
  - Oh, that's easy. - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 4:49:54 AM
    - 24 used @ $4.13 (n/t) - RobVG - 6/12/2004 5:04:35 AM
      - Must be getting late--that one slid past me. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 5:21:36 AM
        
        NOT WORTH MUCH (n/t) - RobVG - 6/12/2004 5:30:21 AM
        
        Value of "We all lost the Cold War" at Amazon. (Was it that obscure?) (n/t) - RobVG - 6/12/2004 5:27:58 AM
        
        LOL...you, my friend, are truly a man of the Internet age... (n/t) - McFly - 6/14/2004 2:52:18 PM
    - 24 used @ $4.13 (n/t) - RobVG - 6/12/2004 5:04:07 AM
- That has got to be the biggest pantload I've heard all week. - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 4:14:10 AM
  - We both read the same book, by day and by night....... - Publius - 6/13/2004 9:46:19 PM
  - Didn't say "tie". Said everyone lost. Which is true. - Bowser - 6/12/2004 5:53:25 PM
    - Central players - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 9:34:15 PM

European Union Hit by Major Election Loss - David F Mayer - 6/14/2004 10:50:04 AM

Coalition Provisional Authority poll - 80% of Iraqis have unfavorable opinion of U,S. Forces - Bowser - 6/12/2004 6:52:08 PM
- Occupation hurts national ego - Buck Galaxy - 6/13/2004 6:47:16 AM
  - It should be interesting to see................. - Publius - 6/13/2004 8:51:56 PM
- Well, the Iraqi people need to get into self-government. Then they can bitch about their OWN government instead of ours. - David F Mayer - 6/13/2004 4:40:28 AM
  - the same solution........ - Publius - 6/14/2004 12:45:10 AM
- Hearts and minds - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 9:13:24 PM

Al Qaeda - will they attack America to skew the election? - REB - 6/11/2004 3:36:25 PM
- Fear mongering....simple as that. The president uses that card often. (n/t) - Derek - 6/11/2004 10:17:57 PM
  - The president does not have too. 9/11 and Al Qaeda do it well on their own - jr - 6/12/2004 4:59:07 AM
- They will SURELY try. I HOPE that we can stop them, but they are a slippery bunch. - David F Mayer - 6/11/2004 7:12:58 PM
- re:They want Bush to win - Raoul - 6/11/2004 6:38:19 PM
  - That is not what the article you posted, or common sense, says. - ebnelson - 6/12/2004 2:27:11 AM
  - Help me out here, you guys... - McFly - 6/11/2004 7:26:13 PM
    - An important question to ask.. - Gary - 6/11/2004 8:42:49 PM
      - Just because ObL is educated does not mean - ebnelson - 6/12/2004 2:31:35 AM
  - Yes, Al Qaeda wants Bush to win so that they can enjoy more B-52 and Hellfire missile attacks. They enjoy seeing their main operatives (like Sheikh Mohammed captured and tortured. They are really hap… (n/t) - David F Mayer - 6/11/2004 7:04:46 PM
    - Can you justify this post, or is it all random nonsense such as another conservative posts? (n/t) - Bowser - 6/12/2004 1:28:40 AM
      - It is common sense. Only an idiot would think otherwise. nt - jr - 6/12/2004 8:47:30 PM
    - re: Al Qaeda doesn't mind hellfire attacks - Raoul - 6/11/2004 8:00:00 PM
      - Your post is completely absurd. - David F Mayer - 6/11/2004 11:48:57 PM
        
        David, I think you may have been confused by... - Alan G. Archer - 6/12/2004 1:19:28 PM
        
        re: David, I think you may have been confused by... - Alan G. Archer - 6/12/2004 1:37:56 PM
        
        persecution of any group seems...... - Publius - 6/14/2004 12:39:17 AM
        
        re: Consider this - Raoul - 6/12/2004 7:59:47 AM
- Is the Pope Polish? (n/t) - Does he poop in the woods? - 6/11/2004 3:49:35 PM

Conservative Party of Canada wants to Scrap Kyoto Accord - Success_Machine - 6/13/2004 1:10:33 PM
- re: Quote Of The Day - Success_Machine - 6/13/2004 1:25:09 PM

Deja vu all over again... - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 4:18:55 AM
- The reason why.......... - Publius - 6/12/2004 12:10:42 PM
- Bush = Reagan? - Robert - 6/11/2004 4:54:12 PM
  - re: Bush = Reagan? - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 9:26:39 PM
    - re: Don't generalize - Raoul - 6/12/2004 8:03:36 AM
      - re: Don't generalize - gbaikie - 6/12/2004 11:15:02 PM
      - Sorry. It's true. - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 11:02:53 PM
- Point: It was much easier to deflect the BS with Reagan in office. (n/t) - RobVG - 6/11/2004 4:52:11 AM
- That's all well and good but a lot of us believed in Reagan. - RobVG - 6/11/2004 4:45:57 AM
  - A lot of people said exactly the same kind of thing about Reagan. - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 5:43:10 AM
    - re: You point is invalid: A lot of people said similar stuff of Hitler as well... - Chris Vancil - 6/11/2004 6:37:47 AM
      - As I pointed out to Robert... - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 9:58:42 PM

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