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N.C. Boaters Urged Not To Use GPS This Weekend - John - 6/12/2004 5:04:56 PM
- 60D=ST - SteveS - 6/12/2004 6:36:05 PM

A majority of Americans say Iraq war unjustified - Donald - 6/11/2004 1:09:41 PM
- This is from the exact same poll... - Larry J - 6/12/2004 6:22:52 PM
- Congratulations. You have played achump part in one of the most amazing big lie campaigns ever. - ebnelson - 6/12/2004 2:33:36 AM
- Meanwhile... - Larry J - 6/11/2004 2:12:26 PM
  - Meanwhile... - They're still there? After 3 1/2 years of GWB? And his promise? - Bowser - 6/12/2004 1:15:20 AM
- Another Poll - REB - 6/11/2004 1:26:24 PM
  - It's too early and the polls are too close to be meaningful - Gary - 6/11/2004 3:44:04 PM
    - re: It's too early and the polls are too close to be meaningful - REB - 6/11/2004 4:19:11 PM
      - Preaching to the choir - Gary - 6/11/2004 4:34:41 PM
        
        re: Preaching to the choir - REB - 6/11/2004 4:47:00 PM
  - It's a very close race. Wouldn't it be funny if - Buck Galaxy - 6/11/2004 3:00:51 PM
    - re: It's a very close race. Wouldn't it be funny if - REB - 6/11/2004 3:22:19 PM
      - Ditto that - Gary - 6/11/2004 4:19:20 PM
        
        re: Ditto that - REB - 6/11/2004 4:26:38 PM
- You forgot to add that the majority of Americans don't think Kerry can handle the war in Iraq - REB - 6/11/2004 1:18:59 PM
- Meanwhile:Brits confidence in Blair drops - Donald - 6/11/2004 1:13:10 PM

AP: Interrogators hired for Iraq despite ban - Alan G. Archer - 6/12/2004 3:35:29 PM
- How do you teach an old dog a new trick...can't. Need a new dog. (n/t) - Eric - 6/12/2004 4:25:43 PM

Laws to allow torture? - Raoul - 6/12/2004 11:06:15 AM
- Torture is an ultra-clear statement against God. (n/t) - Aaron - 6/12/2004 3:10:36 PM
- Some interesting points - including torture being counterproductive. (n/t) - Bowser - 6/12/2004 1:45:53 PM

Blair's party is starting to pay the price. - Bowser - 6/12/2004 2:58:37 AM
- re: Blair's party is starting to pay the price. - Frank Freeman - 6/12/2004 9:35:49 AM

It's getting spooky in Saudi Arabia - Gary - 6/9/2004 4:40:28 PM
- re: It's getting spooky in Saudi Arabia - Frank Freeman - 6/12/2004 9:16:33 AM
- re: spooky in Saudi Arabia - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2004 4:48:47 PM

Leftist Class Act Department - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 2:14:00 AM
- I see your point. - RobVG - 6/12/2004 3:35:00 AM
  - One clue: find out where they went to school. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 3:51:59 AM
    - It was a rhetorical question (n/t) - RobVG - 6/12/2004 4:00:17 AM
      - Maybe so, but it has real answers. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/12/2004 4:15:16 AM
- Well, Reagan was responsible for gassing Iranians, for one. - Bowser - 6/12/2004 2:51:18 AM

"Sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" - Bowser - 6/11/2004 3:12:10 AM
- Rumsfeld 'told officers to take gloves off with Lindh - Jack Herer - 6/11/2004 1:41:12 PM
  - John Walker Lindh is a traitor who was caught as an enemy combatant - ebnelson - 6/12/2004 2:40:59 AM
- Drip, drip, drip. - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 3:35:57 AM
  - "At some point it would seem to me that one could define the basic decency and worth of people by whether they condoned these practices." (n/t) - Bowser - 6/11/2004 4:19:14 AM
- Watching the lefties try and turn the war on how some prisoners were treated is so cute. Keep it up. (n/t) - ebnelson - 6/11/2004 3:35:43 AM
  - re: You are clueless!!! It's about law and being lawful. - Chris Vancil - 6/11/2004 6:32:59 AM
    - Pick a clue: the torture scandal is totally seperate from the war - ebnelson - 6/12/2004 2:37:44 AM
    - Then leave it to the law. - REB - 6/11/2004 1:07:07 PM
      - If the executive sees no need to follow the law... - alcaray - 6/11/2004 5:04:05 PM
        
        But see, you are presuming guilty before innocence. - REB - 6/11/2004 5:20:53 PM
        
        It was an if statement, knucklehead (n/t) - alcaray - 6/11/2004 5:40:10 PM

UNMOVIC discussing scrap problem in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 9:20:28 PM

Torture. Is there a place and time for it? - REB - 6/11/2004 12:18:25 PM
- A science fiction scenario... - Gary - 6/11/2004 4:06:52 PM
  - How do you know he's not a decoy? - Tony - 6/11/2004 9:12:33 PM
  - re: A science fiction scenario... - REB - 6/11/2004 4:35:11 PM
    - Let's make it more interesting - Gary - 6/11/2004 4:59:24 PM
      - re: Let's make it more interesting - REB - 6/11/2004 5:17:56 PM
        
        re: Let's make it more interesting - REB - 6/11/2004 5:25:52 PM
        
        It would be tricky and could go badly - Gary - 6/11/2004 5:47:40 PM
- There MAY be. - Bowser - 6/11/2004 2:03:46 PM

Statre Dept Lied to Boost Bush Ratings - Donald - 6/11/2004 2:03:34 AM
- BS! Total BS! No one lied. Stick to the facts and leave your Personal bias out of it. - REB - 6/11/2004 1:14:52 PM
  - Lies , damn lies and statistics. - RobVG - 6/11/2004 4:18:38 PM
    - re: Lies , damn lies and statistics. - REB - 6/11/2004 4:30:38 PM

Bush plans on being in the Middle East a long, long, long time. - Bowser - 6/11/2004 1:06:27 AM
- Democracy in the Middle East - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 2:31:01 AM
  - "Democracy" - meaningless to Cheney/bush. - Bowser - 6/11/2004 2:46:35 AM
    - Not one single paragraph with a basis in fact. A new record? I haven't been keeping track. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 3:07:07 AM
      - Keep saying that, and you'll believe it. The Big Lie. - Bowser - 6/11/2004 3:15:11 AM
        
        re: The Big Lie. - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 3:53:13 AM
        
        Do you know what you're saying? - Bowser - 6/11/2004 5:30:37 AM
        
        re: Do you know what you're saying? - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 5:51:40 AM
- And you and I get to pay for it - Donald - 6/11/2004 2:07:43 AM
  - And future Americans will be rewarded for our sacrifice with a free and prosperous Iraq. - REB - 6/11/2004 3:40:47 PM

Kerry leads Bush by 7 points in new poll, Democrat ahead 51 to 44 percent - Bowser - 6/10/2004 4:39:54 PM
- These are the same LA Times pollsters who predicted that Gray Davis would survive recall.. - Larry J - 6/11/2004 2:48:22 PM
- re: Kerry leads Bush by 7 points in new poll, Democrat ahead 51 to 44 percent - gbaikie - 6/10/2004 5:26:45 PM
  - Kerry lose CA and NY? Thats a bold prediction! (n/t) - alcaray - 6/10/2004 5:48:52 PM
    - If he believes that, and he put all his money where his mouth is, - - - - Bowser - 6/10/2004 6:36:38 PM
- There's been an undeniable shift in support to Kerry recently - m - 6/10/2004 5:15:01 PM

Terrorism statistics needed upward revision for more than a month. - alcaray - 6/10/2004 10:29:14 PM
- "We didn't lie, we just screwed up" - Fox - 6/10/2004 11:00:17 PM
  - They never seen to screw up in the other direction. - Bowser - 6/10/2004 11:46:45 PM
    - I've "seen" enough. I'll "Hop" away now. (NT) - REB - 6/11/2004 1:52:03 PM
    - Plenty of other people doing that. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 12:26:08 AM
      - And most of 'em belong to the Cheney/bush regime, don'tcha think? (n/t) - Bowser - 6/11/2004 1:07:57 AM

Hitler's "non-agression" pacts - Publius - 6/6/2004 3:15:06 AM
- Kruschev and Kennedy - David F Mayer - 6/6/2004 5:48:20 AM
  - Kennedy and labor..... - Publius - 6/6/2004 2:11:35 PM
    - Pretty Savvy Way of Handling It - Lindy - 6/6/2004 6:02:11 PM
      - Kind of feels good to let the inner socialist out, doesn't it? - Tom Brosz - 6/6/2004 10:44:01 PM
        
        Brosz's six sense: "I see socialists" - RobVG - 6/7/2004 5:30:36 PM
        
        Sick? (n/t) - alcaray - 6/8/2004 4:38:40 PM
        
        Yeh, I know... "sixth" (n/t) - RobVG - 6/7/2004 5:32:30 PM
        
        So what happened to "nuance"? (n/t) - RobVG - 6/7/2004 3:45:17 PM
        
        Definition problems again? - Tom Brosz - 6/7/2004 5:15:09 PM
        
        pretty rough brushstrokes - Daniel L - 6/7/2004 3:07:11 PM
        
        not to mention a few................. - Publius - 6/8/2004 2:01:23 PM
        
        A few brief comments - Tom Brosz - 6/8/2004 4:00:15 PM
        
        The opposite is the case here - Daniel L - 6/9/2004 3:03:05 PM
        
        Markets - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2004 4:45:03 PM
        
        re: Markets - Daniel L - 6/9/2004 5:41:37 PM
        
        You might be surprised... - Larry J - 6/9/2004 8:27:54 PM
        
        re: You might be surprised... - REB - 6/10/2004 1:56:48 PM
        
        and yet .. - Daniel L - 6/11/2004 6:26:07 AM
        
        re: A few brief comments - SDG - 6/9/2004 2:32:11 PM
        
        re: pretty rough brushstrokes - Tom Brosz - 6/7/2004 4:58:30 PM
        
        ah - that should read: - Daniel L - 6/7/2004 3:41:17 PM
        
        italics html botch up - sorry (n/t) - Daniel - 6/7/2004 3:11:40 PM
        
        My "inner socialist"? - Lindy - 6/7/2004 1:15:14 AM
- re: Hitler's "non-aggression" pacts - Tom Brosz - 6/6/2004 4:17:13 AM
- Jokes about Hitler - Bowser - 6/6/2004 4:09:39 AM
  - "Springtime for Hitler" - Fox - 6/7/2004 2:34:27 AM
    - always remember......"It's good to be the King!"........... (n/t) - Publius - 6/8/2004 12:40:09 AM

From the "Hoping the Alligator Eats Us Last" Department: - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2004 9:35:46 PM
- Sounds more like the: "Hoping the Alligator Eats the French" Department: (n/t) - alcaray - 6/10/2004 5:04:23 PM
- France has done more to crack down on terrorist cells - Tony - 6/10/2004 4:18:11 PM
  - I've mentioned it here a number of times. - Tom Brosz - 6/10/2004 4:55:43 PM
    - Soory, humor impaired today - Tony - 6/10/2004 5:48:52 PM
    - So why the snide comment? - Tony - 6/10/2004 5:39:38 PM
      - re: So why the snide comment? - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 2:42:06 AM
- re: ?? - Raoul - 6/10/2004 5:37:07 AM
- Some people are so afraid of dying that life isn't worth living. - Bowser - 6/10/2004 4:29:08 AM
  - "as if ANY terrorist could do what we've done to innocent people" Cripes. - Tom Brosz - 6/10/2004 6:27:29 AM
- France outlawed Islamic head scarves in public schools - Alan G. Archer - 6/9/2004 9:53:36 PM

"Bush makes fresh appeal as meeting wraps up" - (Didn't he tell them he'd do it alone?) - Bowser - 6/10/2004 4:35:42 PM
- re: (Didn't he tell them he'd do it alone?) No, he did not. - ebnelson - 6/11/2004 12:28:30 AM
- re: "Bush makes fresh appeal as meeting wraps up" - (Didn't he tell them he'd do it alone?) - REB - 6/10/2004 7:33:44 PM
- "ROW = France, Germany, and Russia" - Tom Brosz - 6/10/2004 4:42:35 PM
  - re: "Amazing" - Fox - 6/10/2004 5:12:59 PM
    - ROW - Tom Brosz - 6/10/2004 11:39:35 PM
      - And the bribes. - Bowser - 6/11/2004 2:33:44 AM
    - Wow! Succinct and accurate. (n/t) - Bowser - 6/10/2004 6:29:24 PM

Nancy - Tom Brosz - 6/10/2004 6:50:07 AM
- Growing old and dying may be ok for lower animals, - Lee - 6/10/2004 7:52:58 AM
  - To come to terms with mortality is simple - alcaray - 6/10/2004 11:17:09 PM
  - Uh, maybe the wrong place. - Bowser - 6/10/2004 7:30:10 PM
  - Maybe. Maybe not. - Tom Brosz - 6/10/2004 4:20:44 PM
    - Youth: The fountain of idealism. - RobVG - 6/10/2004 5:28:40 PM
      - The AARP? (n/t) - m - 6/10/2004 10:50:45 PM
    - re: Maybe. Maybe not. - Larry J - 6/10/2004 4:46:43 PM
      - I just hate to see the passing of good people. - Lee - 6/10/2004 11:33:29 PM
        
        Apples and oranges - Tom Brosz - 6/11/2004 12:31:38 AM
      - re: Maybe. Maybe not. - REB - 6/10/2004 5:53:19 PM
  - To live at all........ - Lindy - 6/10/2004 3:09:46 PM
    - Even though I'm an agnostic, I say Amen, Lindy... (n/t) - McFly - 6/10/2004 4:15:33 PM

Rest in Peace, Ray Charles - Larry J - 6/11/2004 12:04:05 AM

E-Bay phishing scam - Tom Brosz - 6/10/2004 4:06:47 PM
- The people responsible should be forced to solve the rock problem. - David F Mayer - 6/10/2004 7:12:46 PM
  - Make them bust rocks until they pee gravel? ;-) (n/t) - Lee - 6/11/2004 12:03:36 AM
- Some examples of typical scams - Tom Brosz - 6/10/2004 4:44:35 PM
- A red flag - Robert - 6/10/2004 4:17:19 PM

US 'not bound by torture laws' - Derek - 6/8/2004 2:30:10 AM
- Memo Offered Justification for Use of Torture - Jack Herer - 6/8/2004 8:26:37 PM
- A legal opinion... - Larry J - 6/8/2004 6:06:59 PM
  - re: A legal opinion... - Chris Vancil - 6/10/2004 3:33:21 PM
  - Can you say, "stonewall"? - Fox - 6/8/2004 10:59:52 PM
    - Executive Privilege dates back to George Washington - Larry J - 6/9/2004 4:13:30 AM
      - Only one problem with that in this specific instance - Tony - 6/10/2004 1:48:56 PM
        
        Subpoena is the trigger - Fox - 6/10/2004 4:36:19 PM
      - Of course it does - Fox - 6/9/2004 3:41:45 PM
        
        "Torture" has a vague definition - Larry J - 6/9/2004 3:57:07 PM
        
        Nonsense - alcaray - 6/9/2004 4:33:16 PM
        
        The definitions of torture from the treaties themselves - Larry J - 6/9/2004 4:57:27 PM
        
        More weasling - Fox - 6/10/2004 4:08:24 PM
        
        Now that's a stretch - Larry J - 6/10/2004 4:51:04 PM
        
        re: a stretch - Fox - 6/10/2004 5:59:01 PM
        
        Why don't you read the actual memo? - Larry J - 6/10/2004 9:52:47 PM
        
        Sounds specific to me - alcaray - 6/9/2004 5:55:27 PM
  - This is simply an administration that changes the laws to suit their agendas - Lindy - 6/8/2004 7:53:36 PM
    - re: This is simply an administration that changes the laws to suit their agendas - Aaron - 6/8/2004 10:37:51 PM
- What kind of a moron would go to the Pentagon for either legal or moral advice? (n/t) - alcaray - 6/8/2004 4:20:46 PM
  - re: Hum...it would seem the senior JAG officers refused to give Bush what he wanted and then he asked GOP cronies for "advice"...there is more than one memo...As I said before...Bush is AMORAL. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 6/10/2004 3:22:29 PM
- What's wrong with this picture?..... - Publius - 6/8/2004 1:16:57 PM
- And Cheney/bush is prosecuting a few ENLISTED personnel. - Bowser - 6/8/2004 3:19:04 AM

The Bush campaign engine has not warmed up yet. - David F Mayer - 6/10/2004 8:00:20 PM
- My advise for Bush and Cheney - Alan G. Archer - 6/10/2004 9:43:40 PM

California National Guardsman alleges abuse in Iraq - Alan G. Archer - 6/9/2004 9:35:46 PM
- Controversial Internal Pentagon â€œWorking Group Report on Detainee Interrogations in the Global War on Terrorism - Jack Herer - 6/10/2004 4:42:35 PM
- sounding worse all the time - Daniel L - 6/10/2004 3:28:38 PM
- Boy, is that Guardsman gonna get it!! - Bowser - 6/9/2004 11:49:11 PM
  - I am sick to death....... - Lindy - 6/10/2004 2:45:06 AM
    - Rumsfeld's solution to torture... - Jack Herer - 6/10/2004 4:25:40 PM
      - That is very true - Alan G. Archer - 6/10/2004 9:05:05 PM

We can all sleep a little easier tonight... - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2004 5:10:59 PM
- Yep! - Bowser - 6/9/2004 7:32:42 PM
  - re: Yep - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2004 8:20:07 PM
    - I just dislike all religions equally....well except the Buddhists - Art Martin - 6/10/2004 12:06:54 AM
      - re: What religion did the nazis practice? Or the black hand? Or the tutsis? (n/t) - Success_Machine - 6/10/2004 8:05:03 AM
        
        Answers - alcaray - 6/10/2004 4:54:58 PM
      - re: religions - Tom Brosz - 6/10/2004 1:51:45 AM
        
        Rape of Nanking religion: Shinto and Budhism (n/t) - alcaray - 6/10/2004 4:51:29 PM
    - Read the red print in the New Testament. - Bowser - 6/9/2004 11:54:24 PM

You can tell a man by the enemies he makes... - Tom Brosz - 6/8/2004 7:24:11 PM
- There's room for realism, I hope. - Bowser - 6/9/2004 5:07:12 PM
  - The realism is that El Salvador and Nicaragua have rejected the commies the leftists here supported in UN monitored elections. - ebnelson - 6/10/2004 4:04:35 AM
  - The things one does - FrankC - 6/9/2004 6:44:53 PM
    - "He who means well and doesn't do well is a damned fool!" (n/t) - Bowser - 6/9/2004 7:35:10 PM
  - Okay, a modification to the original post - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2004 5:32:49 PM
    - Something over 300,000 of 'em didn't "slip into slavery", did they? (n/t) - Bowser - 6/9/2004 7:36:27 PM
      - "Better red than dead," again, huh? - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2004 9:09:46 PM
        
        Exactly what you described happened. - Bowser - 6/10/2004 4:18:41 AM
        
        Different philosophies - Tom Brosz - 6/10/2004 6:33:51 AM
        
        Given the number of people killed by their own communist governments... - Larry J - 6/10/2004 1:25:35 AM
- Yep. - Bowser - 6/8/2004 9:31:15 PM
  - re: You can tell a man by the stretch he makes - SteveS - 6/8/2004 10:13:12 PM
    - What's really funny... - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2004 2:44:09 AM
      - re: What's really funny... - SteveS - 6/9/2004 1:54:54 PM
        
        Well, it isn't the "Bush Economy" any more. - Tom Brosz - 6/9/2004 4:12:38 PM
        
        It is the "Bush economy" - pumped to the max. - Bowser - 6/9/2004 5:15:07 PM
      - Well did Cheney say those things or not? - Bowser - 6/9/2004 3:16:58 AM
        
        Maybe, but... - SteveS - 6/9/2004 1:42:29 PM
        
        What Cheney said... - FrankC - 6/9/2004 3:31:51 AM

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