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Has anyone here read "Anvil of Stars" by Greg Bear? - ebnelson - 6/29/2003 2:46:32 AM
- Yep - Davin L. - 6/29/2003 4:35:59 AM
  - The relevant pats - ebnelson - 6/30/2003 12:40:07 AM
    - Well, aside from the fact Iraq never attacked us, did not have the capacity to attack us, did not have the means to attack us, Had nothing to do with Sept-11th, Was pre-emptively attacked for false r… - Davin L. - 6/30/2003 9:42:02 PM
      - So you flunked history as well as literature. Sorry about that. - ebnelson - 7/1/2003 3:54:02 AM
        
        Sorry Professor Ed! Please show me where I am wrong on any count and I will gladly go back to school! (in otherwords, I know you got nuthin') - Davin L. - 7/1/2003 2:31:02 PM

Blix - Raoul - 6/30/2003 9:02:21 PM
- Unfairly maligned - Don - 7/1/2003 1:22:46 AM
  - In a pigs eye. - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/1/2003 2:46:02 AM
    - re:Blame - Raoul - 7/1/2003 5:56:24 AM
    - Careful what you stick in there, Tech! you only have two of those!!! (n/t) - Davin L. - 7/1/2003 3:15:21 AM

Finally, here are 10 good questions for you Bush Supporters to ask him before the next election - Lindy - 6/30/2003 8:51:17 PM
- Speaking of direct quotes... - Robert - 6/30/2003 11:51:23 PM
  - Raining on their parade? - Lindy - 7/1/2003 3:37:11 AM
- Be sure to ask the democratic candidates where they stand on Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza - E.P. Grondine - 6/30/2003 10:47:43 PM
  - typo problems - - E.P. Grondine - 6/30/2003 10:50:24 PM
- re: The convenient 10. Why not 9, or 11 . . . ? - D. Spires - 6/30/2003 10:17:54 PM
- re: Finally, here are 10 good questions for you Bush Supporters to ask him before the next election - Davin L - 6/30/2003 9:36:08 PM

Give them more time! - Raoul - 6/29/2003 12:52:29 PM
- UN inspectors would have never found anything with Saddam hiding stuff and lying to them. - REB - 6/30/2003 12:08:21 PM
  - re: The inspectors - Raoul - 6/30/2003 4:45:24 PM
- Right on Raoul! - Lindy - 6/29/2003 6:33:51 PM
- re: Give them more time! - Marcia - 6/29/2003 4:07:48 PM
  - re: re: Give them more time! - Raoul - 6/29/2003 4:15:29 PM
    - re: re: re: Give them more time! - gbaikie - 6/30/2003 8:49:26 AM
- TIME: Who Lost the WMD? - Don - 6/29/2003 12:59:47 PM
  - Meanwhile: Attacks on troops in Iraq continue - Don - 6/29/2003 1:10:07 PM
    - Quit bothering us with the facts........ - Lindy - 6/29/2003 6:25:36 PM
      - You're absolutely right... - Don - 6/29/2003 11:18:00 PM
        
        Hell has frozen over. - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/1/2003 3:12:59 AM

BBC and the UK government - Raoul - 6/27/2003 8:27:13 PM
- The BBC is getting a reputation like the New York Times - Larry J - 6/28/2003 7:50:53 PM
  - License fee per household with a TV, not per set (n/t) - Tony - 6/30/2003 2:00:00 PM
    - Thanks for clearing that up - Larry J - 7/1/2003 3:00:03 AM
  - re: The BBC - Raoul - 6/29/2003 9:58:23 AM

Bush Misled US Into Iraq War--An Official Finding? - Splinx - 6/27/2003 4:53:19 PM
- Keep trying. The war was about Sadam and his child raping sons. - Scott Evil - 6/27/2003 5:28:06 PM
  - re: Regime change? - Raoul - 6/27/2003 7:25:27 PM
    - Because there is no regime there yet. - ebnelson - 6/28/2003 3:37:21 AM
      - re: Then let them decide - Raoul - 6/28/2003 10:53:31 AM
        
        WE did not do it in Germany or Japan, and we are not going to do it now. - ebnelson - 6/28/2003 11:24:24 AM
    - A Regime change... - FrankC - 6/28/2003 2:23:02 AM
      - they won't leave w/o the oil. that's why they took over Iraq in the first place. (n/t) - Joe - 6/28/2003 3:05:21 AM
        
        {;ease tell us how they will 'leave with the oil' - ebnelson - 6/28/2003 11:25:39 AM
        
        Pump it then ship it to the US until the well is dry - long term stay intended from the start. (n/t) - Joe - 6/28/2003 11:51:16 AM
        
        And your experience in the oil patch is....... - ebnelson - 6/28/2003 9:28:30 PM
        
        re: And your experience in the oil patch is....... - Mary Anne - 7/1/2003 2:24:14 AM
        
        " {;ease" = "Please" n/t (n/t) - ebnelson - 6/28/2003 11:27:30 AM
    - Join the army of one. - Joe - 6/28/2003 1:28:25 AM
      - re: Join the army of one. - Lindy - 6/28/2003 5:36:51 AM
        
        Lindy - Todd - 6/28/2003 9:04:07 AM
    - For the oil, obviously... - Scott Evil - 6/27/2003 8:23:31 PM
      - Mr. Evil - Todd - 6/28/2003 8:51:09 AM
        
        Todd - ebnelson - 6/28/2003 11:29:40 AM

Sergeant from the U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division: Why are we still here? - Joe - 6/30/2003 10:12:52 AM
- re: Because . . . - D. Spires - 6/30/2003 9:19:32 PM

Legendary Actress Katharine Hepburn Dies . . . - D. Spires - 6/30/2003 3:08:44 AM
- re: Legendary Actress Katharine Hepburn Dies . . . - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/30/2003 3:32:42 PM
  - PS....She was Yare ;-) - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/30/2003 3:47:53 PM
    - re: Aye, she was mghty yare (archaic 'yar') . . . - D. Spires - 6/30/2003 8:35:36 PM

Centrifuge parts back case on Iraq - REB - 6/27/2003 2:13:47 PM
- My bet is that no matter what evidnece is unearthed - ebnelson - 6/28/2003 10:56:36 AM
- re: Centrifuge parts back case on Iraq - Scott Evil - 6/27/2003 5:29:54 PM
- Grasping at straws - Robert - 6/27/2003 4:08:11 PM
  - re: Grasping at straws - Lindy - 6/28/2003 7:23:40 AM
    - Another song for all the libs to sing... ;-) - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/28/2003 1:09:07 PM
  - In for a dime, In for a dollar - FrankC - 6/27/2003 5:11:17 PM
    - re: In for a dime, In for a dollar - Robert - 6/27/2003 7:12:29 PM
      - The point is already made - FrankC - 6/27/2003 9:03:52 PM
        
        Pragmatically....... - Lindy - 6/28/2003 5:57:33 AM
        
        re: The point is already made - gbaikie - 6/28/2003 3:41:21 AM
        
        other countries don't matter - FrankC - 6/28/2003 4:15:52 AM
        
        re: other countries don't matter - gbaikie - 6/28/2003 5:36:51 AM
  - Do you really think this is all Saddam was hiding? - REB - 6/27/2003 4:49:39 PM
    - Red herring - Robert - 6/27/2003 6:51:40 PM
      - Proof that Saddam lied. - REB - 6/27/2003 7:26:13 PM
        
        So NOW we can bomb innocents because of a lie?? - Lindy - 6/30/2003 5:34:12 PM
        
        Proof that the sky is blue - Davin L. - 6/27/2003 8:09:48 PM
- and just in case it isn't clear - LJ - 6/27/2003 3:37:16 PM
  - What they show. - RobVG - 6/27/2003 4:21:29 PM
    - re: What they show. - LJ - 6/27/2003 5:14:02 PM
      - One Answer - Lindy - 6/28/2003 6:18:51 AM
- And do you really, truly believe that a few centrifuge parts justified the war and all it entailed? Wow. - LJ - 6/27/2003 3:36:00 PM
  - Do you really believe this is all Saddam was hiding? - REB - 6/27/2003 4:39:46 PM

12 Killed in Balcony Collapse - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/29/2003 1:33:37 PM
- How many people should a small balcony be expected to hold? - Larry J - 6/30/2003 1:21:14 PM
  - rI'd say about 175 lbs per sq. ft. - Scott - 6/30/2003 2:30:09 PM
    - re: rI'd say about 175 lbs per sq. ft. - SDG - 6/30/2003 4:30:47 PM
      - PS, I don't think the building code is faulty - SDG - 6/30/2003 4:43:07 PM
- Yup... - Don - 6/29/2003 1:51:31 PM
- 15 die in train derailment - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/29/2003 1:35:27 PM
  - Suicide bomber in Chechnya - another 15 die. - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/29/2003 1:37:49 PM
    - 5 die in overnight road accidents. - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/29/2003 1:42:03 PM
      - 17 die in Philippines Rebel Attack - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/29/2003 1:45:12 PM
        
        19 die in Spanish train head-on collision - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/29/2003 1:48:10 PM
        
        8 die in house explosion in Grozny - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/29/2003 1:51:47 PM

Israel's WMD's - Raoul - 6/29/2003 4:05:46 PM
- Yes, It's a sign of a democracy under stress - Matt Burley - 6/30/2003 1:30:50 AM
  - re: Fallout - Raoul - 6/30/2003 4:39:56 PM

Retired Terrorist Nelson Mandela still Angry with Bush - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/29/2003 8:13:44 AM
- Many wonder how history would treat him if he had remained out of prison - ebnelson - 6/30/2003 12:47:45 AM
- Retired Terrorists plan reunion next weekend - Fox - 6/29/2003 1:24:12 PM
  - re: Retired Terrorists plan reunion next weekend - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/30/2003 12:12:06 AM
    - Four words - Fox - 6/30/2003 3:14:13 AM
      - Four more words - Fox - 6/30/2003 3:24:59 AM
        
        damn links... - Fox - 6/30/2003 3:27:24 AM
    - "However they spared their violence for the military forces of Britain and did not target civilians." - Mary Anne - 6/30/2003 3:11:04 AM
      - trying the link again - Mary Anne - 6/30/2003 3:13:48 AM
        
        Dang! The ULTIMATE PC Encyclopedia - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/30/2003 3:04:38 PM
- re: Forgetting - Raoul - 6/29/2003 10:05:59 AM
  - A life lived and spent in service of American-esque ideals? Irrelevant. He's against Bush so therefore he is a terrorist... See how simple life can be when you get rid of the cpacity to think or ques… (n/t) - Davin L. - 6/29/2003 9:00:11 PM
    - The Mandela's: Nelson & Winnie - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/29/2003 11:53:11 PM
      - Tech, Nelson NOTEQUAL winnie - Davin L. - 6/30/2003 4:55:17 AM
      - False analogy, and other stories - Fox - 6/30/2003 4:35:07 AM

Dow starts on a rise today despite predictions of it opening low. - REB - 6/30/2003 2:31:40 PM

SARS Breakdown by Country - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/29/2003 6:31:57 AM
- re: SARS started in Asia . . . - D. Spires - 6/30/2003 3:21:22 AM
- Your conclusion is very very unlikely - ebnelson - 6/29/2003 8:37:27 PM
- Thats complete BS - Davin L. - 6/29/2003 7:22:26 PM
  - re: Hardly BS . . . - D. Spires - 6/30/2003 3:14:33 AM

AP: U.S. Death Toll in Iraq Passes 200 - Don - 6/29/2003 1:23:55 AM
- U.S. Death Toll in WMD Terrorist Attack Would Easily Pass 10,000 (n/t) - Matt Burley - 6/29/2003 6:39:55 AM
  - Thank god Irag didn't have any... Oh, Wait... (n/t) - Davin L. - 6/29/2003 7:11:26 PM

WMD.. - Todd - 6/28/2003 6:39:52 AM
- Damn. A conservative AND a Texan AND I agree with you. How do I keep on livin' ?? ;-) - Davin L. - 6/29/2003 4:28:18 AM
- Listen Grasshopper - FrankC - 6/29/2003 2:19:46 AM
  - re:Imperialism - Raoul - 6/29/2003 9:52:36 AM
    - This is true - FrankC - 6/29/2003 4:42:55 PM
- Meanwhile: U.S. Says Remains of Two Missing Soldiers Found - Don - 6/28/2003 1:18:37 PM
  - And: U.S. Soldier Killed, Four Hurt in Baghdad Attack - Don - 6/28/2003 1:20:32 PM
- re: The Israelization of US policy - Raoul - 6/28/2003 10:46:58 AM
  - Democracy in Iraq? - Don - 6/28/2003 1:30:59 PM
    - re: Democracy in Iraq? - Lindy - 6/29/2003 5:25:50 PM

What I think - LJ - 6/26/2003 8:20:06 PM
- What the French think........ - Lindy - 6/27/2003 5:37:53 AM
- Fortunately you will never be in charge. - ebnelson - 6/27/2003 5:12:48 AM
  - And Neither Will You, Ed......Thank God! (n/t) - Lindy n/t - 6/27/2003 5:26:23 AM
  - And Neither Will You, Ed......Thank God! (n/t) - Lindy n/t - 6/27/2003 5:26:05 AM
- Thanks LJ- I enjoyed that and appreciate the time and energy you put into it! (n/t) - Davin L. - 6/27/2003 12:30:27 AM
- Please do. - Scott - 6/26/2003 11:31:16 PM
- I Know! Let's amend the Constituion giving the UN the power to call for impeachment. Then the ROW will have to love us and trust us again. - RobVG - 6/26/2003 11:07:40 PM
- re: What I think - FrankC - 6/26/2003 9:52:18 PM
- re: Saddan Hussein justified the attack . . . - D. Spires - 6/26/2003 8:56:07 PM
  - re: re: In that case... . . . - Raoul - 6/26/2003 10:07:16 PM
    - Because thats not the way to make a statement that the Middle East Street will understand - Scott Evil - 6/26/2003 11:38:37 PM
    - re: History says it doesn't work . . . - D. Spires - 6/26/2003 11:20:52 PM
  - re: re: Saddan Hussein justified the attack . . . - Davin L. - 6/26/2003 9:23:58 PM
    - re: No . . . - D. Spires - 6/26/2003 10:58:05 PM
      - Yes.... - Davin L. - 6/27/2003 12:28:52 AM
        
        re: Funny . . . - D. Spires - 6/28/2003 8:36:33 PM
        
        "I am certainly sure that any nation that claims to do the above in self defense, incorrectly, has just done a bad thing. Unjustified killing is murder." - Lindy - 6/27/2003 5:01:26 AM
        
        re: "I am certainly sure that any nation that claims to do the above in self defense, incorrectly, has just done a bad thing. Unjustified killing is murder." - Marcia - 6/27/2003 1:15:28 PM
        
        "After he and his followers killed thousands? " - Lindy - 6/27/2003 6:44:34 PM
        
        re: "After he and his followers killed thousands? " - Davin L. - 6/27/2003 9:55:25 PM
        
        re: re: "I am certainly sure that any nation that claims to do the above in self defense, incorrectly, has just done a bad thing. Unjustified killing is murder." - Davin L. - 6/27/2003 5:47:22 PM
        
        Morally permissible...... - Lindy - 6/28/2003 5:19:39 AM
        
        re: Morally permissible...... - Marcia - 6/29/2003 3:39:14 PM

AP: Two U.S. Troops Wounded in Iraqi Attack - Don - 6/29/2003 12:39:35 PM
- Perhaps Bush didn't lie... - Don - 6/29/2003 12:50:56 PM
  - LA TIMES: U.S. Credibility Under Fire - Don - 6/29/2003 12:54:09 PM
    - Meanwhile: Boy's Killing Angers Iraqis - Don - 6/29/2003 1:13:37 PM

Saddam Aide Captured - clues to Saddam's whereabouts - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/29/2003 8:09:13 AM

No winner in the Democratic Online Primary - REB - 6/27/2003 6:12:37 PM
- A preview of the election of 2004. n/t (n/t) - ebnelson - 6/29/2003 2:43:34 AM
- If Bush were to falter - Frank Chandler - 6/27/2003 7:00:35 PM
  - Who is this joker? (auto-fill error) (n/t) - FrankC - 6/27/2003 7:03:29 PM

Bush re-elect numbers - FrankC - 6/28/2003 3:22:55 AM
- the link - FrankC - 6/28/2003 3:26:46 AM
  - Trying to predict in a chaotic situation: Israeli-Palestinian conflict drvies US politics - E.P. Grondine - 6/28/2003 4:48:57 PM

CNN 'breaking news' - Davin L. - 6/25/2003 9:54:42 PM
- U.S.: Banned arms evidence in Iraq - Matt Burley - 6/25/2003 10:47:53 PM
  - The revisionists will simply rationalize this and all evidence away - ebnelson - 6/26/2003 2:53:53 AM
    - If anything it shows just how peaceful the Iraqi regime was. - Lee - 6/26/2003 4:33:56 AM
  - re: U.S.: Banned arms evidence in Iraq - Davin L. - 6/25/2003 11:14:58 PM
    - Odds-and-ends?!? Don't be ridiculous. Saddam was concealing plans to reconstitute his nuclear program - Matt Burley - 6/26/2003 2:18:40 AM
      - Millions of documents = a few Odds-and-ends - Scott - 6/26/2003 4:02:20 PM
      - The people who are discounting this are demonstrating an amazing ability to ignore fact and rationalize. Enjoy it. n/t - ebnelson - 6/26/2003 12:16:21 PM
- re: CNN 'breaking news' - Scott Evil - 6/25/2003 10:12:28 PM
  - re: re: CNN 'breaking news' - Davin L. - 6/25/2003 10:15:19 PM
- MSNBC story - old stuff, but still significant - LJ - 6/25/2003 10:03:26 PM
  - CNN sucks, it seems - Davin L. - 6/25/2003 10:18:50 PM
    - Egg on OUR national face? - FrankC - 6/26/2003 1:17:38 AM
      - Beware ye who quote polls - Tony - 6/26/2003 4:39:09 AM
        
        That's for sure Tony - FrankC - 6/26/2003 5:21:52 AM
      - re: Egg on OUR national face? - Davin L. - 6/26/2003 1:41:38 AM
        
        Egg on OUR national face? - FrankC - 6/26/2003 2:42:19 AM
        
        re: Egg on OUR national face? - Davin L. - 6/26/2003 4:47:12 PM
    - You really believe Saddam didn't have WMD? - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/25/2003 11:52:21 PM
      - You really believe Saddam DID have WMD??!! - Lindy - 6/26/2003 5:20:48 AM
        
        Third grade logic - FrankC - 6/27/2003 4:56:36 PM
        
        Even if that were true, what's wrong with it? - Lee - 6/27/2003 1:12:25 AM
        
        What's wrong with it??!! - Lindy - 6/27/2003 4:35:06 AM
      - Do you still believe SARS is Race specific? What about 'vorticies' or 'vorlons' or whatever those were? - Davin L. - 6/26/2003 12:56:32 AM
        
        Yes, Yeppers and Yessirree. - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/26/2003 7:25:43 AM
        
        And you forgot 'bob' - Davin L. - 6/26/2003 4:45:03 PM
        
        Bloodwork and SARS. - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/27/2003 6:20:21 AM
        
        Says Tech-one: Malaria is a virus.... - Davin L - 6/28/2003 4:56:18 AM
        
        Misquoting me doesn't change anything. - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/28/2003 10:04:19 AM
        
        And I forgot... - Davin L. - 6/26/2003 8:53:37 PM
        
        I liked your version of West Side Story better than the original. - Scott Evil - 6/26/2003 4:26:33 PM

Ed - It looks like you have nothing to worry about - Don - 6/27/2003 4:47:51 AM
- Thanks for your concern - ebnelson - 6/27/2003 5:08:20 AM
  - re: Thanks for your concern - Joe - 6/27/2003 7:28:51 AM
    - re: re: Thanks for your concern - ebnelson - 6/28/2003 3:39:09 AM

The Nuclear Finds in Iraq - Don - 6/27/2003 5:11:18 AM
- SEATTLE TIMES: Conned into a war, and nobody seems to care - Don - 6/27/2003 1:25:19 PM
  - Nope, Just Nobody's Buyin Media Con - Mark Eby - 6/28/2003 2:41:20 AM
- SEATTLE PI: We went to war under false circumstances - Don - 6/27/2003 1:21:23 PM
- Iraq, al-Qaida not linked, U.N. finds - Don - 6/27/2003 1:17:30 PM
  - Meanwhile: U.S. Soldier Shot Shopping in Baghdad-Witnesses - Don - 6/27/2003 1:28:40 PM

Implications - LJ - 6/24/2003 5:55:47 PM
- multi-reply - LJ - 6/25/2003 10:31:48 PM
  - Geez LJ - FrankC - 6/28/2003 2:12:14 AM
  - re: multi-reply - RobVG - 6/25/2003 11:28:47 PM
  - Your opinions are always welcome! - alcaray - 6/25/2003 10:51:51 PM
    - I was wrong. - RobVG - 6/26/2003 3:50:40 PM
      - Thanks Rob - LJ - 6/26/2003 5:47:36 PM
    - Impeachment - LJ - 6/25/2003 11:08:26 PM
      - As much as I, um, 'dislike' bush..... - Davin L. - 6/25/2003 11:23:27 PM
    - Woops! I attributed RobVG's words to FrankC - alcaray - 6/25/2003 10:54:28 PM
- re: Implications - RobVG - 6/25/2003 2:38:47 AM
  - re: re: Implications - Raoul - 6/25/2003 5:51:22 AM
    - I said 'please'. - RobVG - 6/25/2003 4:15:15 PM
- true to form - FrankC - 6/24/2003 7:52:25 PM
  - re: true to form - alcaray - 6/24/2003 10:38:01 PM
  - Yeah, well, I have no choice but to bite... - Davin L. - 6/24/2003 9:59:03 PM
    - Yeah, well - FrankC - 6/25/2003 1:03:28 AM
      - re: Yeah, well - Davin L. - 6/25/2003 2:55:27 PM
  - re: true to form - ditto - LJ - 6/24/2003 8:29:50 PM

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