re: Really?

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re: Really?

Raoul — 10/9/2005 12:30:57 AM (archived)

When the US invades a country with a very different culture, claiming to bring "freedom" and as a result forces the inhabitants to change their habits, their way of life, and adopt the western one, it is by no mean bringing freedom! The huge contradiction is :freedom is the possibility to choose, but here can they really choose if those western values are enforced?

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Letter from al Qaeda - Tom Brosz - 10/7/2005 4:21:41 PM
- Interesting how this thread is going - Sam F. - 10/11/2005 11:21:33 PM
  - re: how this thread is going - Fox - 10/11/2005 11:41:13 PM
    - Yeah, al Qaeda, Monaghan, it's all part of the same ball of wax, right? - Sam F. - 10/12/2005 1:35:16 AM
      - Do you think al Qaeda just sprung up fully formed? - Mary Anne - 10/13/2005 6:10:47 PM
- So at least Isreal is safe until after they take down Syria, lebenan, and Egypt. - Scott Evil - 10/10/2005 3:47:32 AM
  - The leaders of Al Qaeda are insane fanatics. - David F Mayer - 10/11/2005 3:55:45 PM
    - don't worry I know of at least one person who will never submit to Islam - Scott Evil - 10/11/2005 8:56:11 PM
- Five thousand years and little has changed - except better weapons - LJK - 10/7/2005 5:08:00 PM
  - "Five thousand years" Not at all. 9,500 YEARS! - David F Mayer - 10/10/2005 4:56:37 PM
  - re: Five thousand years and little has changed - except better weapons - REB - 10/7/2005 5:41:48 PM
    - re: Really? - Raoul - 10/9/2005 12:30:57 AM
      - re: Really? - Tom Brosz - 10/9/2005 4:03:33 AM
        
        re: I give Europe about 50 years tops... - Scott Evil - 10/10/2005 3:51:14 AM
      - We're already brought freedom...now we're just taking over. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/9/2005 1:22:53 AM
        
        SDAI, you certainly have a way of spurring...ummm..."vigorous debate"... (n/t) - McFly - 10/9/2005 8:19:09 PM
        
        Just pushing the pretty, brightly lit buttons McFly. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/10/2005 8:18:53 AM
        
        "Deep down they all know that the US has already earned the right to rule the world and is, already, the de facto ruler of the world. " - Lindy - 10/9/2005 5:36:11 PM
        
        Red White & Blue Speedos - remember I'm a cultured 1/2 Euro. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/10/2005 8:17:27 AM
        
        Manifest Destiny: The excuse Americans invented for genocide. - Mary Anne - 10/9/2005 2:42:08 PM
        
        I gave up my plan to rule the world because its tough to compete with the Manifest Destiny - Scott Evil - 10/10/2005 9:14:15 PM
        
        Scott, you're disconnected from reality..... - Lindy - 10/10/2005 10:06:29 PM
        
        Lindy yu dung foo taut but funn ee see - Scott Evil - 10/11/2005 8:40:43 PM
        
        The Pledge was just for you MA...see how much I care? ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/10/2005 8:03:54 AM
        
        Are we going to get back to the point where I don't respond to you? - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 5:51:15 AM
        
        What happened to fun and wit? - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/11/2005 8:01:49 AM
        
        re: Did you? - Raoul - 10/9/2005 8:59:58 AM
        
        Guess we should have left Germany and Japan alone, then. - Tom Brosz - 10/9/2005 6:22:06 PM
        
        Not a very good answer.............. - Publius - 10/10/2005 6:16:23 PM
        
        re: East and West - Raoul - 10/9/2005 7:47:21 PM
    - What is freedom? - LJK - 10/7/2005 6:40:56 PM
      - What is freedom? Good question...... - Publius - 10/8/2005 6:15:19 PM
        
        re: What is freedom? Good question...... - McFly - 10/8/2005 10:06:27 PM
        
        Good illustration of my observation......... - Publius - 10/9/2005 2:53:57 PM
        
        Power of ownership and contract law - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/11/2005 10:48:26 AM
        
        Thank you for nicely defining - Publius - 10/11/2005 3:43:32 PM
        
        We are a nation of people and a nation of laws - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/11/2005 4:01:23 PM
        
        Conservatives are very adept at "the laws of the jungle" - Publius - 10/11/2005 7:35:20 PM
        
        re: Power of ownership and contract law - REB - 10/11/2005 2:24:56 PM
        
        Didn't Monaghan see The Village? - Tony - 10/10/2005 4:24:06 PM
        
        re: My Idea of freedom... - Scott Evil - 10/10/2005 4:00:21 AM
        
        Besides... - McFly - 10/9/2005 9:07:07 PM
        
        right to be free of Christians and Christianity - FrankC - 10/9/2005 8:48:15 PM
        
        or perhaps not - FrankC - 10/9/2005 9:20:17 PM
        
        re: Christian attempts to set up fundamentalist settlements have always failed - Scott Evil - 10/11/2005 10:05:37 PM
        
        Perhaps this will revive the O'Neil Space Colony concept - LJK - 10/10/2005 2:03:04 PM
        
        Your subjective and insulting observation? - McFly - 10/9/2005 8:04:31 PM
        
        re: illustration - Tom Brosz - 10/9/2005 6:33:37 PM
        
        re: illustration - Mary Anne - 10/9/2005 7:21:48 PM
        
        re: illustration - Tom Brosz - 10/10/2005 3:35:53 AM
        
        You really, really don't get this. - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 5:41:39 AM
        
        Managhan is forcing you to live in "Sinless City"? - Sam F. - 10/9/2005 4:41:37 PM
        
        Here are a few details: - Mary Anne - 10/9/2005 7:36:40 PM
        
        Publius commented on his *own* freedom - Sam F. - 10/10/2005 7:13:34 AM
        
        The most pervasive aspect of abuse is shutting people up. - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 4:48:48 AM
        
        Please. Just. Stop. It. - Sam F. - 10/11/2005 9:08:40 AM
        
        You don't understand it either. - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 1:00:06 PM
        
        You don't understand it either Mary Anne............ - Publius - 10/11/2005 7:53:58 PM
        
        So, how do you feel about education vouchers? - Tom Brosz - 10/11/2005 2:07:05 PM
        
        Not for religious schools. - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 4:15:16 PM
        
        re: Publius commented on his *own* freedom - REB - 10/10/2005 4:22:37 PM
        
        Oh, please. Get back to me when they cancel Christmas. - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 5:49:31 AM
        
        You kvetch, and I'll kvail....... - Publius - 10/11/2005 7:42:33 PM
        
        A Question for you. - REB - 10/11/2005 12:32:00 PM
        
        No, no, and no. - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 1:21:07 PM
        
        re: No, no, and no. - REB - 10/11/2005 1:42:35 PM
        
        The reason why it looks like Christianity is being removed... - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 5:00:23 PM
        
        There is a prejudice against Christians in this country - REB - 10/11/2005 5:39:18 PM
        
        Listen: - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 6:13:09 PM
        
        re: Listen: - REB - 10/11/2005 6:27:39 PM
        
        The Christians in my part of the country - Mary Anne - 10/12/2005 12:30:50 AM
        
        re: There is a prejudice in this country - Fox - 10/11/2005 6:07:15 PM
        
        Many on the left are trying to cancel Christmas. Some places have taken Christ out of Christmas. Some places are not calling it Christmas anymore. - REB - 10/11/2005 12:21:28 PM
        
        re: trying to cancel Christmas - Fox - 10/11/2005 6:24:41 PM
        
        People can call it what they want. It's still December 25. - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 1:33:38 PM
        
        Mary Anne is surrounded by religious fundamentalists - Tom Brosz - 10/11/2005 2:14:01 PM
        
        Anti-Halloween-ism - Fox - 10/11/2005 5:29:12 PM
        
        Don't you know that almost all serial murderers have carved pumpkins at some time in their lives? - Scott Evil - 10/11/2005 9:35:08 PM
        
        re: Anti-Halloween-ism - Tom Brosz - 10/11/2005 5:58:11 PM
        
        There you go quoting that demonicly possessed witch again. - Scott Evil - 10/11/2005 10:17:40 PM
        
        correcting link - Fox - 10/11/2005 5:35:28 PM
        
        And, while we're on the subject... - Fox - 10/11/2005 8:31:39 PM
        
        Don't ask me. I suppose angels, fallen or otherwise, don't count. - Tom Brosz - 10/11/2005 8:37:46 PM
        
        Yes, that's the problem. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/11/2005 2:59:01 PM
        
        It must be nice to have money. - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 6:21:11 PM
        
        It must be nice to have an excuse. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/12/2005 11:17:42 PM
        
        It must be nice to accept balkanization as the norm. - Mary Anne - 10/13/2005 6:12:18 PM
        
        That hat been in freefall for a while now? - Sam F. - 10/11/2005 10:31:33 PM
        
        So they won. - Mary Anne - 10/12/2005 12:33:22 AM
        
        re: People can call it what they want. It's still December 25. - REB - 10/11/2005 1:58:00 PM
        
        Thank you for finding what I really said. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 6:26:54 PM
        
        Happy winter solstice........... - Publius - 10/11/2005 3:55:17 PM
        
        Merry Christmas to you. - REB - 10/11/2005 4:01:11 PM
        
        The only kind of Christianity that makes sense to me... - alcaray (the subversive) - 10/10/2005 10:43:02 PM
        
        Christianity doesn't make sense to me, period. - Sam F. - 10/11/2005 12:02:44 AM
        
        Sorry to hear that. - alcaray - 10/11/2005 6:37:32 PM
        
        Do not! - Sam F. - 10/11/2005 10:43:14 PM
        
        Hey, how do you feel about Skinner's idea in Walden II... - alcaray - 10/12/2005 5:51:00 PM
        
        re: Skinner's idea in Walden II... - Tom Brosz - 10/13/2005 4:10:24 PM
        
        I haven't seen Rand's ripping - alcaray - 10/13/2005 4:34:23 PM
        
        Deliberately narrowing the field to a pinpoint. - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 5:45:12 AM
        
        Actually, I widened the scope to the issue of instilling belief systems of all kinds in children. - Sam F. - 10/11/2005 8:18:33 AM
        
        Read the history of the United States, with special attention to its colonial and founding period. - Mary Anne - 10/11/2005 1:39:33 PM
        
        First person plural again - Sam F. - 10/11/2005 11:03:27 PM
        
        OK: the Untied States of America it is. - Mary Anne - 10/12/2005 12:08:41 AM
        
        Iranian opinions - Tom Brosz - 10/8/2005 8:02:19 PM
      - re: What is freedom? - gbaikie - 10/7/2005 7:54:44 PM
      - Hopefully - FrankC - 10/7/2005 6:58:09 PM

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