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Another member of Patty Murray Fan Club heard from. - Tom Brosz - 12/31/2002 6:25:39 PM

California ready to hit the fan this year - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2002 10:06:13 AM
- Article sez they were doin' pretty good until GWB came along. - Bowser - 12/30/2002 10:30:23 AM
  - So the 'economy' = 'government budget'? - ebnelson - 12/31/2002 4:05:12 PM
  - Not even a good try... - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2002 11:33:41 AM
    - Because of the Liberal Posters Canon of Ethics, - - - - Bowser - 12/30/2002 12:40:30 PM
      - Cause and effect - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2002 1:26:50 PM
    - Liberal double-speak, indeed! - alcaray - 12/30/2002 11:48:08 AM
      - Ouch...! - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2002 1:22:12 PM
      - That be sticking your foot in it, and - Bowser - 12/30/2002 12:37:19 PM

U.S. had key role in Iraq buildup - Bowser - 12/29/2002 5:59:35 PM
- See, we tried diplomacy and it didn't work...Now we must invade... (n/t) - Scott - 12/30/2002 4:39:17 PM
  - Bulletin: Giving Iraq anthrax and smallpox ain't "diplomacy." - Bowser - 12/30/2002 6:24:02 PM
    - Re: Wondering about Nepal - Raoul Lannoy - 12/30/2002 6:45:03 PM
      - Send in Bowser and jimmy carter - ebnelson - 12/30/2002 7:09:04 PM
    - Re: Bulletin: Been through this one before. - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2002 6:40:33 PM
      - Frankly, - - - - Bowser - 12/30/2002 6:57:17 PM
        
        Anthrax has been used in agricultural research for decades - Larry J - 12/30/2002 8:19:56 PM
        
        How dare you call that farm in Ames, IA the "University of Iowa"...That would be Iowa State University!!! - Scott - 12/30/2002 8:54:16 PM
        
        Iowa, Ohio, what's the difference? - Larry J - 12/30/2002 9:04:20 AM

Having drugged pilots bomb friendlies - Bowser - 12/30/2002 6:30:37 PM
- Hiter would have loved those Canadians - ebnelson - 12/30/2002 8:39:09 PM
- Dang...thought all the Canadian loonies had shipped out to Iraq as human shields. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2002 6:41:39 PM
  - As if a human shield would work against this batch of politicians. - Bowser - 12/30/2002 7:07:52 PM
- Petition signers... - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2002 1:50:52 PM

Islamic extremist shoots four US doctors in Yemen - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/30/2002 8:25:03 PM
- We target terrorists; they target doctors and civilians - Matt Burley - 12/30/2002 5:44:23 PM
  - do you mean genus: Canis? (order Carnivora, Family Canidae, Genus Canis) Here Bowser...Come on...N/T (n/t) - Scott - 12/30/2002 5:54:57 PM
    - Guess what? - Bowser - 12/30/2002 7:56:43 PM
      - So the doctors are myrters for the cause of spreading hatred... - Scott - 12/30/2002 8:34:13 PM
      - Not bad, but... - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2002 9:40:19 AM
        
        American foreign aid. - Bowser - 12/30/2002 11:07:38 AM
        
        When your dad co-signed on your first car loan were you upset because he didn't just pay for the car? - Scott - 12/30/2002 12:56:54 PM
        
        Re: American foreign aid. - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2002 11:36:17 AM
- How can this be? - Larry J - 12/30/2002 4:14:16 PM
- Just the start... - E.P. Grondine - 12/30/2002 10:10:13 AM
  - Are their six million Palestinians in the area? - ebnelson - 12/30/2002 10:13:31 AM
- Link - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/30/2002 9:12:21 AM

Sheep, Wolves, and Reality: on the Middle East - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2002 12:20:31 PM
- Leaving out the minor detail: Sharon continues to seize Palestinina lands - E.P. Grondine - 12/30/2002 10:12:46 AM
- The only solution (sorry EPG) - Buck Galaxy - 12/29/2002 12:40:43 PM
  - Yeh, making certain that all sources of water are on the Israeli side. n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 12/30/2002 4:39:34 PM
    - Re: sources of water - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2002 6:29:48 PM
      - It's largely desert. - alcaray - 12/30/2002 6:52:16 PM
  - Buck, I had dinner with some Russian-Israeli friends recently - Matt Burley - 12/29/2002 6:54:09 PM
  - Not the nicest solution... - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2002 1:19:02 PM
- Those sheep are trying to drive the wolves into the sea. - Bowser - 12/28/2002 2:18:54 PM
  - And how exactly would you define 'enormous losses'? - Matt Burley - 12/28/2002 5:42:32 PM
    - Childish ad hominem attack. - Bowser - 12/29/2002 8:15:06 PM
      - No, well documented non-childish non-ad hominem attack. - Matt Burley - 12/29/2002 8:36:18 PM
  - Re: Those sheep - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2002 2:30:04 PM
- Re: Barghouti - Raoul - 12/28/2002 12:51:13 PM
  - Re: Barghouti - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2002 2:24:42 PM
    - Re: Israeli leaders - Fox - 12/29/2002 8:19:41 PM
    - The 'Other Variable' (n/t) - RNE - 12/29/2002 2:02:38 PM

Israeli Army Kills Palestinian Boy in West Bank - Bowser - 12/29/2002 8:10:49 PM
- Re: Israeli Army Kills Palestinian Boy - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2002 10:32:13 AM
  - Story starts to shift a bit... - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2002 6:13:48 PM
  - A crock. - Bowser - 12/29/2002 10:57:18 AM
    - "at least the Palestinians were on their own land. The Israelis are invaders" - Matt Burley - 12/29/2002 1:17:27 PM
    - Huh??? - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2002 11:14:15 AM
      - You're right. It's not worth responding. - Bowser - 12/29/2002 11:23:52 AM
        
        Responsibility - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2002 11:46:50 AM

Arrest in Paris - Raoul Lannoy - 12/30/2002 5:35:29 PM
- At least a couple of hundred lives saved! - Scott - 12/30/2002 5:49:22 PM
- Sounds like it - Larry J - 12/30/2002 5:43:14 PM

The permanent revolution - Raoul Lannoy - 12/28/2002 5:33:38 PM
- Re: The permanent revolution - Bowser - 12/28/2002 8:22:02 PM
  - You promised war and suspended elections by now, bowser. Where are they? - ebnelson - 12/28/2002 3:50:21 PM
  - Re: The permanent revolution - Raoul Lannoy - 12/28/2002 9:22:16 AM
    - How can the US hold a Broker position when it is being attacked and villanized by one of the sides? - Scott - 12/30/2002 5:15:15 PM
    - Re: The permanent revolution - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2002 9:49:42 AM
      - Read the history. - Bowser - 12/28/2002 9:57:20 AM
        
        Hey Bowser, what was the Iraqi Kill Ratio in Gulf War I? - Scott - 12/30/2002 5:18:04 PM
        
        Re: YOU Read the history. - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2002 10:08:30 AM
        
        Don't bother. - Bowser - 12/28/2002 12:09:08 PM
        
        "It's all lies!" - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2002 12:16:22 PM
        
        I'm Half European...and I Know the Truth. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/28/2002 4:18:41 PM
        
        Re:2 weights... - Raoul Lannoy - 12/29/2002 10:21:47 AM
        
        Re: Re:2 weights... - SteveS - 12/29/2002 1:57:47 PM
        
        Re: Re:2 weights... - Raoul - 12/29/2002 3:59:21 PM
        
        Re: I agree... - SteveS - 12/29/2002 4:44:26 PM
        
        Bias? - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/29/2002 1:57:00 PM
- Opinions are like belly buttons. (nt) (n/t) - FrankC - 12/28/2002 5:57:28 PM
- Raoul, Trotsky was the Commisar of War. § (n/t) - ebnelson - 12/28/2002 3:51:02 PM
- "Cops and robbers are both evil because they use guns" - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2002 9:57:58 AM
  - Re: Leon Trotsky - Raoul Lannoy - 12/28/2002 12:20:28 PM
    - Raoul, read your history. Trotsky was the reason the Bolsheviks won the civil war. - ebnelson - 12/28/2002 3:28:58 PM
      - Re: Russian revolution - Raoul Lannoy - 12/29/2002 10:12:15 AM
        
        Read the history of the time. Trotsky was the war commisar. - ebnelson - 12/29/2002 6:20:18 PM
        
        Those evil Romanov's - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/29/2002 2:54:03 PM
        
        Re: sorry : Czar regime, I meant (n/t) (n/t) - Raoul Lannoy - 12/29/2002 10:46:16 AM
    - Re: Trotsky - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2002 12:25:06 PM
      - Re: Trotsky - Raoul - 12/29/2002 10:28:40 AM
        
        Re: Trotsky - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2002 10:38:45 AM
  - You've heard the solution. - Bowser - 12/28/2002 10:01:50 AM
    - And that solution is? (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2002 12:16:53 PM

Do you think the carriers are headed for Iraq or N. Korea or both? - Scott - 12/27/2002 11:38:28 AM
- N. Korea doesn't have oil waiting to be pumped. n/t (n/t) - Bowser - 12/27/2002 12:56:47 PM
  - Then you care to explain why the US has 40,000 troops in South Korea? - Matt Burley - 12/27/2002 1:21:20 PM
    - You forget whom you are trying to discuss something with. - ebnelson - 12/28/2002 3:12:55 PM
    - Duh! A deterrence. Sorry. - Bowser - 12/27/2002 1:33:37 PM
      - so exactly who is holding me hostage? - Justin Kelly - 12/27/2002 7:12:23 PM
        
        Why do you think you're there? - Bowser - 12/29/2002 7:24:08 PM
        
        Which is why the PulYoungYangs won't attack Soeul you MohrRon... - Scott - 12/30/2002 4:55:57 PM
        
        Answer my question - Justin Kelly - 12/29/2002 10:20:16 AM
      - You're even stupider than I thought - Matt Burley - 12/27/2002 3:44:18 PM
      - Truman's Korean legacy...darn that Strom keeps looking better! (n/t) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/27/2002 2:57:16 PM
        
        Eisenhower. - Bowser - 12/28/2002 8:04:32 PM
        
        Deep Maroon or Burgundy? - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/29/2002 2:10:00 PM
  - That's right! We're just planning on using them as slave labor. (n/t) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/27/2002 1:18:27 PM

Colin Powell - U.S. would protect Iraqi oil fields. - Bowser - 12/29/2002 2:15:06 PM
- Do you do this to prove you don't read the articles or to see if others do? - ebnelson - 12/29/2002 3:06:35 PM
  - From the UN, US, and Arab news sources... - Matt Burley - 12/29/2002 4:24:41 PM
    - Well said. § (n/t) - ebnelson - 12/30/2002 1:30:34 PM

U.S. Oil Above $33 as War Clouds Darken - Bowser - 12/30/2002 11:42:49 AM
- Better seize those Iraqi fields soon! Glad you see the importance! (n/t) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/30/2002 1:06:59 PM

War on february 21st? - Raoul - 12/29/2002 12:18:32 PM
- Liberation for oppressed Iraqis would make for a wonderful New Year's n/t (n/t) - Matt Burley - 12/29/2002 6:42:55 PM
- A grain of salt - Fox - 12/29/2002 1:37:03 PM

Some good news from Africa - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2002 11:58:30 AM
- Related article. Kenyan opposition cruises to victory - Bowser - 12/29/2002 6:34:52 PM
  - Agreed - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2002 6:38:33 PM

I'm making a fortune off of this one... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/27/2002 5:56:12 PM
- This is what countries ruled by close to rational people do. - ebnelson - 12/29/2002 3:28:44 PM
- Bones - Lindy - 12/28/2002 8:47:08 PM

Bush: Iraq tops agenda for 2003. - Bowser - 12/28/2002 2:10:50 PM
- It's time Bowser.... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/29/2002 2:20:08 PM
- Pretzel Logic - ebnelson - 12/28/2002 3:47:34 PM

The religious war - p - 11/25/2002 6:33:48 PM
- Ain't Caucasian love wonderful!! - Bowser - 11/25/2002 7:28:20 PM
  - Statistics - Tom Brosz - 11/25/2002 8:23:51 PM
  - Re: Ain't Caucasian love wonderful!! - p - 11/25/2002 8:16:17 PM
  - Jerry Pournelle incites hate crimes? - ebnelson - 11/25/2002 7:34:13 PM
  - Bowser, are you anti-Semitic? - Matt Burley - 11/25/2002 3:25:01 PM
    - Huh. - Bowser - 12/29/2002 10:09:00 AM
    - I'll vouch for Bowser - Scott - 11/25/2002 3:28:24 PM
      - Re: other opinions - Raoul - 11/26/2002 5:34:22 PM

Persons of the Year - Raoul - 12/29/2002 9:54:01 AM

China closes internet Cafes - for improvements. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/27/2002 5:53:10 PM
- The Thought Police - Coming Soon to America - 12/28/2002 8:51:26 PM

Patty Murray and the Deafening Silence of the Media, cont. - Tom Brosz - 12/26/2002 10:18:23 AM
- The only silence of the Media is that no one reports continued Israeli expansion - E.P. Grondine - 12/28/2002 8:18:37 PM
- Please help me; I really don't get it. - alcaray - 12/27/2002 6:06:27 PM
  - Again, that particular "Look" I mentioned. - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2002 7:31:00 PM
    - You're not getting any "look" from me. - alcaray - 12/27/2002 9:24:01 AM
  - Did Bin Ladin Build a road? - Scott - 12/27/2002 6:34:51 PM
- Bulletin: Not every patriot is a jingoist. - Bowser - 12/26/2002 12:17:22 PM
  - Just what has Bin Ladin Done that is Constructive? - Scott - 12/27/2002 5:01:37 PM
  - Not every uninformed cynic is a patriot, Bowser. - ebnelson - 12/27/2002 2:34:36 PM
  - Re: Bulletin - Tom Brosz - 12/26/2002 4:51:19 PM
    - Its really ok though... - Scott - 12/27/2002 5:08:01 PM
    - What a worldview! - Bowser - 12/26/2002 6:04:19 PM
      - Good God, do you EVER address the point? (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2002 9:39:54 AM
        
        Will you EVER realize he avoids posts he can't handle? ;-) (n/t) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/27/2002 7:00:49 PM
  - Ignorance is saddening... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/26/2002 1:21:40 PM

Palestinians kill Jews - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/27/2002 5:25:02 PM
- Solution remains the same: massive UN deployment - E.P. Grondine - 12/28/2002 8:10:50 PM
  - Unfortunately, the UN wants Israel dead too. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2002 12:17:51 PM

Is bin Laden operating in eastern Georgia? - E.P. Grondine - 12/28/2002 8:08:51 PM

Alien Creator - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/27/2002 5:35:43 PM
- So much for the human clone - FrankC - 12/28/2002 5:47:11 PM
- Re: Who? - Raoul - 12/28/2002 11:41:06 AM
  - I was thinking about... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/28/2002 12:35:22 PM

The Rand boys idea for fighting terror domestically - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/27/2002 6:10:57 PM
- Re: 9 terrorists arrested near Paris (chechens) - Raoul Lannoy - 12/28/2002 11:26:03 AM
  - Re: Ok, 4 terrorists (n/t) (n/t) - Raoul - 12/28/2002 11:29:05 AM

314 mil lotto winner is gonna...... - Dan - 12/26/2002 10:13:31 AM
- I thought the rich didn't pay taxes? - For - 12/26/2002 10:27:16 AM
  - That's the withholding rate not the tax. It remains to be seen how much his tax rate will be. n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 12/27/2002 5:48:07 PM
    - Being off the charts... Its probably pretty close to what he'll pay. - Scott - 12/27/2002 6:04:51 PM
      - I would SO love to be in a position to pay taxes on millions of dollars. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2002 7:32:20 PM
        
        Yes, but after taxes he still didn't beat the odds.... - Scott - 12/27/2002 8:56:37 PM
        
        On an investment of $1, he wins $113,000,000.00. And that's not beating the odds? n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 12/27/2002 9:26:24 AM
        
        he got screwed out of $7,000,000.00 statistically speaking... - Scott - 12/27/2002 11:25:17 AM
  - But the top rate used to be 90%...The Democrats long for the Good 'ol days! - Scott - 12/26/2002 10:31:51 AM
    - Maroon!! - Bowser - 12/26/2002 2:55:23 PM
      - Was there an inheritance tax then? - Scott - 12/27/2002 6:12:59 PM
      - Please tell us all how you learned to ignore facts so well. - ebnelson - 12/27/2002 2:35:59 PM
      - Re: Maroon!! - Tom Brosz - 12/26/2002 4:53:22 PM
        
        Re: Maroon!! - Bowser - 12/26/2002 5:56:34 PM
        
        You mean the old tax write-off that used to encourage drilling for domestic oil but no longer exists? - Scott - 12/27/2002 3:54:34 PM

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