The tugboat and the supertanker

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The tugboat and the supertanker

Robert — 1/14/2007 12:21:19 AM (archived)

I could probably say something esoteric like "a sum of vectors", but basically I just figure that to deflect the massive inertia of American politics a couple of degrees closer to a better course requires the little tugboat to redline it on a perpendicular course. A tiny bit of Buchanan's basic beliefs, such as an isolationism that might result in a more restrained American foreign policy, couldn't do us anything but good.

I got a kick out of Art's metaphor of embracing the man with a "full-body condom" or whatever it was. Sure, can't disagree with that. Buchanan's gone nuts more than once in his career, and I'd only trust him with power if I had him on a tight leash (e.g. "a strong Democratic Congress"). I'd rather sic him on the GOP as Chairman and sit back and watch the bodies pile up.

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Polarization - TB - 1/13/2007 9:59:43 PM
- Follow-up -- does NPR lurk at HZ? - Fox - 1/20/2007 1:57:25 AM
  - LOL (n/t) - Yeti - 1/21/2007 7:30:38 AM
- A thought on all of this from an observer - Martha - 1/15/2007 12:50:49 PM
  - re: A thought on all of this from an observer - azstrummer - 1/16/2007 12:38:02 AM
    - Thank-you Art....and you can call me anything....except late for dinner (n/t) - Martha - 1/16/2007 4:42:32 AM
      - You're a good sport, Martha - Robert - 1/16/2007 5:19:18 AM
        
        I second that - azstrummer - 1/16/2007 3:31:25 PM
        
        Separating the men from... oh, wait... - Fox - 1/16/2007 6:50:13 PM
        
        In the Republican party you need a crowbar..... (n/t) - azstrummer - 1/16/2007 9:23:58 PM
        
        Damn, I thought it was just vaseline...... - Lindy - 1/16/2007 10:23:16 PM
        
        ewwww.....gross (n/t) - azstrummer - 1/16/2007 11:05:09 PM
        
        A good sport indeed. - et - 1/16/2007 6:39:18 AM
        
        re: A good sport indeed. - Martha - 1/16/2007 3:15:45 PM
        
        See what I have to put up with? - Robert - 1/16/2007 7:53:26 AM
- TB vs 7 leftists...and the winner is... - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/15/2007 12:28:54 PM
  - You, of course SDT. The impartial adjudicator... (n/t) - et - 1/15/2007 8:03:10 PM
    - Indeed - Yeti - 1/15/2007 8:10:16 PM
      - re: Indeed - TB - 1/15/2007 8:42:35 PM
        
        Perhaps you're asking the wrong question - Robert - 1/15/2007 9:08:47 PM
        
        Idealogies - Lindy - 1/16/2007 5:41:03 PM
- re: Why ? Because... - Raoul - 1/14/2007 9:06:21 AM
  - Because black-and-white thinking IS polarization. (n/t) - Bowser - 1/15/2007 7:15:05 AM
- "why there is such polarization?" - Robert - 1/14/2007 2:27:15 AM
  - re: "why there is such polarization?" - Martha - 1/17/2007 7:01:39 PM
    - "The answer is there is no answer.' - Lindy - 1/17/2007 9:35:10 PM
    - Not at all simplistic - Robert - 1/17/2007 8:22:42 PM
      - re: Not at all simplistic - Martha - 1/18/2007 11:30:19 AM
  - re: "why there is such polarization?" - Martha - 1/16/2007 6:41:46 PM
    - On apathy and passion - TB - 1/17/2007 5:41:54 AM
      - vapid - Robert - 1/17/2007 4:33:08 PM
        
        re: vapid - TB - 1/17/2007 7:54:12 PM
        
        And Vain! - Yeti - 1/19/2007 4:00:02 PM
        
        "Either we have to try to change things where this philosophy is being bred....." - Lindy - 1/17/2007 8:59:16 PM
      - re: On apathy and passion - Lindy - 1/17/2007 10:50:28 AM
    - re: "why there is such polarization?" - Robert - 1/16/2007 9:01:39 PM
      - Speak for yourself - azstrummer - 1/16/2007 11:10:05 PM
        
        re: Speak for yourself - Martha - 1/16/2007 11:50:21 PM
        
        ;-) (n/t) - Robert - 1/16/2007 11:12:30 PM
  - I think I've got the answer. - TB - 1/14/2007 3:02:37 AM
    - Yes? - Robert - 1/14/2007 3:10:37 AM
      - re: Yes? - Martha - 1/16/2007 5:32:21 PM
        
        Yes - Robert - 1/16/2007 6:55:52 PM
        
        understood (n/t) - Martha - 1/16/2007 7:31:15 PM
      - Okay, I get it. (n/t) - TB - 1/14/2007 3:12:46 AM
        
        This is clearly a longterm project - Robert - 1/14/2007 3:35:59 PM
        
        re: Clearly, a long term project - Fox - 1/14/2007 6:47:12 PM
        
        re: Clearly, a long term project - Robert - 1/15/2007 3:58:29 AM
        
        The soft, chewy Center - Fox - 1/15/2007 8:12:14 PM
        
        Nougat Nation - Robert - 1/15/2007 9:03:57 PM
        
        Utopian dreams - Fox - 1/16/2007 2:31:22 AM
        
        Centrist heroes - azstrummer - 1/16/2007 9:04:54 PM
        
        re: Utopian dreams - Robert - 1/16/2007 6:07:29 AM
        
        " We bend so that we never break." - Lindy - 1/16/2007 8:30:57 PM
        
        "At least the last elections didn't appear fixed." - TB - 1/17/2007 5:09:44 AM
        
        re: "At least the last elections didn't appear fixed." - azstrummer - 1/18/2007 4:32:40 PM
        
        Shorter answer. - TB - 1/18/2007 9:40:10 PM
        
        We heard you the first 27 times you said this. - alcaray - 1/18/2007 10:02:27 PM
        
        Back then we didn't have a perfect lab experiment on the subject. - TB - 1/18/2007 10:46:38 PM
        
        Was it good for you too? - Lindy - 1/19/2007 1:22:55 AM
        
        So tell me - azstrummer - 1/18/2007 11:27:20 PM
        
        re: So tell me - TB - 1/19/2007 12:24:30 AM
        
        They found nothing - azstrummer - 1/19/2007 5:26:04 AM
        
        Maybe you don't get how this works. - TB - 1/20/2007 5:06:12 AM
        
        As I said once before... - alcaray - 1/18/2007 11:09:49 PM
        
        re: As I said once before... - TB - 1/19/2007 12:11:52 AM
        
        The steamroller - Robert - 1/16/2007 8:51:11 PM
        
        Presidential "debates" LOL - Lindy - 1/16/2007 10:45:21 PM
- Hogwash - azstrummer - 1/13/2007 11:57:16 PM
  - FANTASTIC post Art.... - Lindy - 1/16/2007 10:59:01 PM
    - Thanks Lindy - azstrummer - 1/16/2007 11:24:46 PM
  - When one has been SO wrong for SO long, the blaming of others has to get intense. - Bowser - 1/14/2007 1:06:46 AM
    - I must admit..... - Lindy (on second glass of wine) - 1/16/2007 11:08:02 PM
      - Now that gives me an idea - Robert - 1/16/2007 11:25:21 PM
        
        I'm in - azstrummer - 1/16/2007 11:35:04 PM
      - No, what you really must admit.. - azstrummer - 1/16/2007 11:13:12 PM
        
        re: No, what you really must admit.. - Lindy - 1/16/2007 11:39:45 PM
  - "Democrats again call for immediate and unconditional surrender." - TB - 1/14/2007 12:11:54 AM
    - re: "Democrats again call for immediate and unconditional surrender." - azstrummer - 1/14/2007 12:32:42 AM
      - re: "Democrats again call for immediate and unconditional surrender." - Lindy - 1/16/2007 11:32:49 PM
      - More lipstick, same pig - TB - 1/14/2007 1:04:09 AM
        
        re: More lipstick, same pig - azstrummer - 1/16/2007 12:44:58 AM
        
        Nice goalpost moving. - TB - 1/16/2007 4:14:17 AM
        
        Don't need to. You couldn't kick a ball into the Grand Canyon. (n/t) - azstrummer - 1/16/2007 9:22:43 PM
      - That post was from me. In response to "Polarization" from TB. (n/t) - Bowser - 1/14/2007 12:50:17 AM
  - Olbermann be praised brother. Amen. (n/t) - et - 1/14/2007 12:04:43 AM
- And yet... - Robert - 1/13/2007 11:33:15 PM
  - re: And yet... - TB - 1/14/2007 1:14:50 AM
    - re: Isn't that the problem? - Raoul - 1/14/2007 10:49:00 AM
    - No, it wouldn't be productive. - Robert - 1/14/2007 2:29:04 AM
      - "Providing so many rich examples of polarization isn't addressing the question, it's only reinforcing the need to answer it. " - Lindy - 1/17/2007 12:07:51 AM
      - I'll throw you one clue... - TB - 1/14/2007 3:05:00 AM
        
        In other words... - alcaray - 1/15/2007 7:54:43 AM
        
        No. - TB - 1/15/2007 8:51:08 PM
        
        "I watch good! Red light stop, green light go, yellow light go very fast." - alcaray - 1/15/2007 10:19:49 PM
        
        re: "I watch good! Red light stop, green light go, yellow light go very fast." - Lindy - 1/17/2007 1:54:45 AM
        
        Aww shucks. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/17/2007 7:16:56 PM
        
        re: No. - Robert - 1/15/2007 9:11:47 PM
        
        Interesting. - TB - 1/16/2007 4:16:14 AM
        
        Yes and no - Robert - 1/16/2007 5:12:09 AM
        
        On arriving at answers - TB - 1/16/2007 5:50:45 AM
        
        And just who is Jane Galt? - Robert - 1/16/2007 6:28:41 AM
        
        re: And just who is Jane Galt? - TB - 1/17/2007 3:44:14 AM
        
        In fact - Yeti - 1/17/2007 7:23:47 AM
        
        Actually... - TB - 1/17/2007 8:08:14 AM
        
        You and I had an interchange... - alcaray - 1/18/2007 6:17:09 PM
        
        Try this one on for size. - Yeti - 1/17/2007 4:53:25 PM
        
        I would count that as a definite point for you. - TB - 1/17/2007 8:06:55 PM
        
        re: I would count that as a definite point for you. - Pissed-as-hell Yeti! - 1/17/2007 9:36:48 PM
        
        Should we make a list over the past thirty years? - TB - 1/17/2007 10:30:34 PM
        
        We have opposible thumbs and frontal lobes. - Yeti - 1/17/2007 10:46:08 PM
        
        "Broad brush?" - TB - 1/17/2007 11:33:36 PM
        
        Spurious specificity - Robert - 1/17/2007 3:57:39 PM
        
        are you insane? Or did you just lose all of your memory? - Yeti - 1/17/2007 7:21:47 AM
        
        Hindsight bias - Robert - 1/17/2007 5:48:39 AM
        
        "Nobody I remember said, "Hey, what if the Sunnis and Shiites start a civil war?" - Lindy - 1/17/2007 4:17:27 AM
        
        Exact quotes, please. Mentioning sectarian war. (n/t) - TB - 1/17/2007 5:47:41 AM
        
        re: Exact quotes, please. Mentioning sectarian war. - Lindy - 1/17/2007 11:02:53 AM
  - re: And yet... - azstrummer - 1/13/2007 11:57:59 PM
    - No, I swear, I don't have that kind of power! - Robert - 1/14/2007 12:16:50 AM
- Buchanan sidebar - TB - 1/13/2007 10:11:03 PM
  - And here I thought it was a reply to my PB comment. (n/t) - et - 1/14/2007 12:09:17 AM
  - And yet... - Robert - 1/14/2007 12:08:13 AM
    - A question worth its own thread... - TB - 1/14/2007 1:41:58 AM
    - I said I thought he was honest... - et - 1/14/2007 12:13:12 AM
      - The tugboat and the supertanker - Robert - 1/14/2007 12:21:19 AM

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