"Red state" attitudes?

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"Red state" attitudes?

TB — 4/13/2008 5:23:43 AM (archived)

You don't see the condescension any more than a fish sees water, do you? We had similar conversations about Kerry as I recall.

The bone-deep conviction that, at best, most of America needs to be "taken care of," and at worst, actually controlled because they can't be relied on to make the right decisions on their own.

(You might want to update your "trog" stereotypes, particularly the "anti-NAFTA" one. Maybe you haven't noticed that, under severe union pressure, the Enlightened of the Democratic Party have taken that on board themselves.)

To be fair to Obama, at least he isn't pandering as hard right now as Hillary is. To hear her talk today you'd think she drove a pickup truck to the revival tent every night with three guns racked in the back.

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Obama feels the pain of the Flyover People - TB - 4/12/2008 12:38:54 AM
- Well, *I* was insulted... - Mary Anne - 4/12/2008 10:08:52 PM
  - Well, you're dead wrong - azstrummer - 4/15/2008 3:44:53 AM
    - I'm with you on this one, Art - McFly - 4/17/2008 11:13:59 PM
      - re: I'm with you on this one, Art - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/18/2008 6:20:41 AM
        
        This from someone who just equated Roosevelt, Hitler & Stalin. - Mary Anne - 4/18/2008 2:59:16 PM
        
        Amazing what propaganda does. - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/18/2008 10:31:33 PM
      - There's some truth to a lot of things. - Mary Anne - 4/18/2008 2:53:00 AM
    - It's too much to expect people running for office to make intelligent statements. - Mary Anne - 4/17/2008 6:06:06 PM
      - Intelligent statements - azstrummer - 4/17/2008 10:01:33 PM
        
        I was actually leaning toward Obama before, oh, 3 months ago. - Mary Anne - 4/18/2008 2:39:04 AM
        
        re: I was actually leaning toward Obama before, oh, 3 months ago. - TB - 4/18/2008 3:20:42 PM
        
        Ideas and principles v. ideology, my take. - Mary Anne - 4/18/2008 10:20:02 PM
        
        Interesting. - TB - 4/19/2008 12:53:56 AM
        
        Boy, you're fun to debate - azstrummer - 4/18/2008 2:48:46 PM
      - Now I'm insulted - Robert - 4/17/2008 8:50:07 PM
        
        Ah, but I'm not running for office. - Mary Anne - 4/18/2008 2:46:43 AM
        
        Lord love a duck, you should hear the people who DO run for local office in SF. - TB - 4/18/2008 4:20:45 AM
        
        You should see some of the people who have run for local office here. - Mary Anne - 4/18/2008 12:29:19 PM
        
        True, but you know what? - TB - 4/18/2008 3:29:00 PM
        
        re: True, but you know what? - Mary Anne - 4/18/2008 10:28:04 PM
        
        re: You should see some of the people who have run for local office here. - azstrummer - 4/18/2008 2:51:12 PM
  - re: Well, *I* was insulted... - Robert - 4/13/2008 2:43:01 AM
    - "Red state" attitudes? - TB - 4/13/2008 5:23:43 AM
    - I was watching MSNBC, and heard the tape played. - Mary Anne - 4/13/2008 4:04:04 AM
      - I believe you - Robert - 4/13/2008 4:17:33 PM
        
        I know. - Mary Anne - 4/13/2008 5:07:22 PM
        
        So when does the epiphany arrive? - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/13/2008 9:32:52 PM
        
        re: So when does the epiphany arrive? - gbaikie - 4/14/2008 4:15:24 AM
        
        Along with the Magi. - Mary Anne - 4/13/2008 11:41:02 PM
        
        It occurs to me... - TB - 4/14/2008 4:17:50 AM
        
        re: Along with the Magi. - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/14/2008 1:45:48 AM
        
        "A government minimum wage increase generates NO wealth and simply depreciates the value of currency." (n/t) - And it's People - 4/14/2008 6:19:55 PM
        
        Boy, you really hate FDR. - Mary Anne - 4/14/2008 1:59:01 AM
        
        re: Boy, you really hate FDR. - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/14/2008 7:38:12 PM
        
        Your reference to a so-called "real" education is duly noted and given the conscientious merit it warrants. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 4/14/2008 10:45:46 PM
        
        Ah...tit for tat. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/15/2008 12:01:11 AM
        
        ah, MaryAnne - Tony - 4/14/2008 4:01:06 PM
      - Video of a similar statement from a few years ago. - alcaray - 4/13/2008 7:37:20 AM
        
        I don't like the implication that people necessarily do stuff he doesn't identify with because they're compensating for something else. - Mary Anne - 4/13/2008 2:52:58 PM
        
        re: Video of a similar statement from a few years ago. - gbaikie - 4/13/2008 9:15:32 AM
      - Fuuny how he plays along and uses that "bitterness". - Lee - 4/13/2008 5:19:18 AM
        
        You know why I'm not voting for John McCain? - Mary Anne - 4/13/2008 2:13:01 PM
        
        Bossyboots versus the Dark Side - Robert - 4/13/2008 5:34:36 PM
        
        How about this. - Lee - 4/13/2008 8:32:43 PM
        
        The opposite of wolf - Mary Anne - 4/13/2008 8:11:13 PM
        
        Thanks - Robert - 4/13/2008 9:50:21 PM
        
        I feel your pain. - Lee - 4/13/2008 5:11:57 PM
        
        A small but crucial difference - Robert - 4/13/2008 5:46:05 PM
        
        re: A small but crucial difference - gbaikie - 4/15/2008 8:17:49 AM
        
        I don't see them as THE problem. - Lee - 4/13/2008 8:16:48 PM
        
        Me neither (clarification) - Robert - 4/13/2008 11:06:12 PM
        
        Re: evangelical Conservatives - Yeti - 4/15/2008 3:13:33 AM
        
        Republican Jihad - Robert - 4/15/2008 4:02:13 PM
        
        Being a Conservative - REB - 4/16/2008 1:59:03 PM
        
        re: Being a Conservative - Robert - 4/16/2008 8:33:57 PM
      - re: I was watching MSNBC, and heard the tape played. - gbaikie - 4/13/2008 4:54:16 AM
  - Counterpoint. - Bowser - 4/12/2008 11:26:50 PM
    - I know some of the people you describe too. - Mary Anne - 4/13/2008 12:46:55 AM
    - re: Counterpoint. - TB - 4/13/2008 12:40:40 AM
      - The collective, conservative you really believes that. - Bowser - 4/13/2008 1:58:46 AM
        
        Like others, you keep retreating to that delusion. - TB - 4/13/2008 2:48:35 AM
        
        The Eagles said it best. - Lee - 4/13/2008 5:20:44 PM
        
        You've trained me well. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/13/2008 4:07:19 AM
  - Great post - TB - 4/12/2008 10:42:14 PM
- Sure does - Robert - 4/12/2008 4:45:30 PM
  - So - Lee - 4/12/2008 11:26:08 PM
    - What's really funny... - TB - 4/13/2008 12:57:48 AM
  - You realize that the fact that you feel the same way he does really doesn't change the basic issue. (n/t) - TB - 4/12/2008 8:34:13 PM
- And the point you are trying to get across by cut and pasting Yet Another Blog is....? - ARRELL - 4/12/2008 1:18:38 AM
  - Please use the internet or something and look up the word "transcript." - TB - 4/12/2008 1:59:14 AM
    - I read the transcript, please look up "making your point" - ARRELL - 4/12/2008 2:03:49 AM
      - Odd... - TB - 4/12/2008 4:16:32 AM
        
        And hey, you want to see something from a blog? - TB - 4/12/2008 4:25:57 AM
        
        Pretty much all your links were to blogs... - ARRELL - 4/12/2008 6:59:56 AM
        
        Right. - TB - 4/12/2008 8:32:48 PM
- I thought that was one of the more rational things a politician has said. - Bowser - 4/12/2008 1:17:12 AM
  - Unfortunately - azstrummer - 4/15/2008 1:02:27 AM

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