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Remember when people ridiculed Hersh for claiming that Cheney had his own hit squad? - Eric - 7/17/2009 10:00:55 AM
- Cheney - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/18/2009 5:36:41 AM

Walter Cronkite dead at 92 - Eri - 7/18/2009 2:12:07 AM

Saw this coming. - TB - 7/17/2009 5:12:28 PM
- The triumph of the ADM lobby over good sense? (n/t) - alcaray - 7/17/2009 10:21:49 PM
  - Yeah, I smelled their stench on this, too. - TB - 7/17/2009 11:47:23 PM

On the rationing of health care - TB - 7/16/2009 5:07:08 AM
- I'm curious what your point is? - dtb - 7/16/2009 10:15:36 PM
  - Question: - TB - 7/17/2009 2:06:34 AM
    - They are nowhere close to eliminating all the providers of health plans. - alcaray - 7/17/2009 3:26:44 AM
      - Most likely outcome... - TB - 7/17/2009 3:55:39 AM
- Pssst......Tom - Lindy - 7/16/2009 3:41:36 PM

Is there any doubt... - TB - 7/15/2009 4:32:11 AM
- No, because all the attention would be focused on the new, stupid war he would have already started with Iran (n/t) - z - 7/15/2009 4:30:10 PM
- None whatsoever. - ER - 7/15/2009 1:01:02 PM
  - This conservative wouldn't be. - TB - 7/15/2009 5:13:24 PM
    - Same here. - REB - 7/15/2009 7:29:02 PM
      - re: "Better to let them fail, let smaller companies come in and fill the empty niche, and help those who are unemployed." - alcaray - 7/15/2009 9:58:51 PM
        
        We'll see. I do hope you are right. - REB - 7/16/2009 12:59:50 PM
        
        re: We'll see. I do hope you are right. - alcaray - 7/16/2009 7:18:58 PM
        
        Okay - REB - 7/16/2009 9:32:12 PM
        
        An employer must create more wealth than they use up. - TB - 7/16/2009 7:40:59 PM
        
        There is no question of that. - alcaray - 7/16/2009 8:18:37 PM
        
        California is broke. - TB - 7/16/2009 8:35:02 PM
        
        California unemployment insurance is bought and paid for... - alcaray - 7/16/2009 9:05:52 PM
        
        Do you really think GM is going to make it? - Lee - 7/16/2009 4:24:42 AM
        
        Most of the "true Chevy men" have been driving Toyotas for years. (n/t) - ER - 7/16/2009 1:19:29 PM
        
        No, they drive the 100s of thousands of Chevy, GM trucks and SUVs sold every year. - Lee - 7/16/2009 5:17:26 PM
        
        Top 20 best-selling cars last May - TB - 7/16/2009 6:49:22 PM
        
        If the conservatives want to boycott GM, that is their right. (n/t) - alcaray - 7/16/2009 4:36:26 AM
      - re: Same here. - TB - 7/15/2009 8:40:54 PM
        
        tax cuts, as I've shown before (do you need the reminder? I suppose I could look it up again.)... - alcaray - 7/15/2009 10:02:52 PM
        
        re: tax cuts, as I've shown before (do you need the reminder? I suppose I could look it up again.)... - TB - 7/16/2009 12:55:58 AM
        
        Any money for tax cuts or stimulus or new wars will come from debt. - alcaray - 7/16/2009 1:13:05 AM
    - Yep, you and the other "moderates" are so even-handed. (n/t) - ER - 7/15/2009 5:56:26 PM
- McCain isn't President threfore it is all Bush's fault - Baroke America - 7/15/2009 11:16:18 AM
- If he ran it up to prevent a worldwide credit collapse... - alcaray - 7/15/2009 7:05:49 AM
- We've got the "spend" part of Democratic policy rolling... - TB - 7/15/2009 4:42:27 AM
  - You explained this to me under Bush........you said..... - Publius - 7/15/2009 7:36:58 PM
    - What, tax increases? Can you be a bit more specific? (n/t) - TB - 7/15/2009 8:43:24 PM

CBO releases latest long-term budget outlook - TB - 7/16/2009 5:58:01 PM
- News story on CBO testimony - TB - 7/16/2009 9:12:40 PM

Change of leadership at GM - TB - 7/16/2009 5:13:54 AM
- As long as they KEEP TOYOTA Intact - carl - 7/16/2009 6:46:40 PM
- re: Change of leadership at GM - Lindy - 7/16/2009 3:43:14 PM
  - Good Lord. - TB - 7/16/2009 5:26:52 PM
    - You are supposing... - Lindy - 7/16/2009 5:48:38 PM
      - Well, you won't like the thread above either. (n/t) - TB - 7/16/2009 5:59:14 PM

Obama Quote of the Week - TB - 7/14/2009 3:42:11 PM
- For an even better example of corruption, bad governance, and a failed state - z - 7/14/2009 8:46:32 PM
- Just what we'd expect from you, TB. - ER - 7/14/2009 5:58:12 PM
  - re: Just what we'd expect from you - TB - 7/14/2009 9:55:45 PM
    - That same old dead end route youve gone soooooo many times before. - ER - 7/14/2009 11:35:58 PM
      - Corruption - TB - 7/15/2009 12:03:47 AM
      - re: dead end route - TB - 7/14/2009 11:54:48 PM
        
        Your rap is ideological boilerplate. - ER - 7/15/2009 12:17:17 AM
        
        re: Your rap is ideological boilerplate. - TB - 7/15/2009 1:09:01 AM
        
        Businessmen need politicians, TB. - ER - 7/15/2009 2:04:08 AM
        
        "Smaller" has an exact meaning. - TB - 7/15/2009 3:16:57 AM
        
        "Smaller" has a very broad and general meaning. - ER - 7/15/2009 1:21:19 PM
        
        re: "Smaller" - TB - 7/15/2009 5:36:46 PM
        
        re: "Smaller" - ER - 7/15/2009 6:38:28 PM
        
        re: "Smaller" - TB - 7/15/2009 7:21:08 PM
        
        Well, for starters, - ER - 7/15/2009 7:37:48 PM

Will the Republicans follow Sarah Palin into political oblivion? - z - 7/14/2009 9:19:14 PM
- As I sit here listening to Bach... - Baroke America - 7/15/2009 11:24:49 AM
- I know these people, - ER - 7/15/2009 1:38:52 AM
  - Palin's constituency - z - 7/15/2009 1:48:56 PM
    - Democratic constituency - TB - 7/15/2009 7:19:53 PM
    - Palin's drones - ER - 7/15/2009 2:20:10 PM

Still no word from DICK? - Buck Galaxy - 7/13/2009 7:59:57 AM
- A Pyrrhic victory? Or charity for all? - ER - 7/15/2009 1:52:57 PM
- plotting - Eric - 7/14/2009 9:33:35 AM
  - There was plenty of that during the Bush years - Lindy - 7/14/2009 4:38:04 PM
- What's actually going on - TB - 7/13/2009 3:30:40 PM
  - We already knew that's what you were going to say. - ER - 7/13/2009 5:16:05 PM
  - Man, you are delusional in a big way. - Buck Galaxy - 7/13/2009 3:45:55 PM
    - Really. - TB - 7/13/2009 7:32:08 PM
      - You miss the point, as always. Who gives a rat's ass about Pelosi being vidicated, besides Pelosi? - Buck Galaxy - 7/14/2009 2:37:56 AM
        
        re: The Democrats are hanging the CIA and US Military out to dry - Baroke America - 7/14/2009 4:19:09 AM
        
        A reality check on that. - Bowser - 7/14/2009 5:46:52 AM
        
        You're being duped. Again. - TB - 7/14/2009 3:28:22 AM
        
        You're the one trying to do the duping - Buck Galaxy - 7/14/2009 8:36:18 AM
        
        Does it bother you at all that you're so easily duped? - TB - 7/14/2009 3:27:45 PM
        
        So the crime is not Cheney withholding info from Congress, it's the NYT breaking the story about it? - Buck Galaxy - 7/14/2009 3:48:45 PM
        
        Last time. There never was a "crime." (n/t) - TB - 7/14/2009 4:29:57 PM
        
        That remains to be seen. DICK is not talking for a reason - Buck Galaxy - 7/14/2009 8:37:00 PM
        
        A test - TB - 7/14/2009 9:58:34 PM
        
        I don't think that's a fair test. - alcaray - 7/14/2009 10:21:23 PM
        
        Ohfercrissake! Ordering illegal activity is criminal. That's basic to legal systems. (n/t) - Bowser - 7/14/2009 6:51:00 PM
    - What the "briefings" were like, and why there is confusion. - Bowser - 7/13/2009 4:35:28 PM
- I remember now hearing about the prisoners - Lindy - 7/13/2009 1:33:18 PM

Latest CBO report on ongoing health care plan - TB - 7/15/2009 4:14:09 AM

Levi Johnston says Palin quitting over money - Lindy - 7/10/2009 4:49:56 PM
- Can't blame her for putting her financial future first - Baroke America - 7/14/2009 4:31:58 AM
- Levi's not finished "Palin's Fame Went to her Head" - Lindy - 7/13/2009 3:35:43 PM
- Trailer trash. - ER - 7/11/2009 3:52:22 PM
  - One must apply national standards to a national issue. - Bowser - 7/11/2009 4:24:33 PM
    - "We must realize that on the grander scale he's a natural." - Lindy - 7/11/2009 5:27:25 PM
      - Man, you guys are COLD. - ER - 7/11/2009 9:42:41 PM
        
        re: Man, you guys are COLD. - Lindy - 7/12/2009 5:19:54 AM
        
        It's her. - Bowser - 7/11/2009 10:18:42 PM
        
        And I think yer funny too - Lindy - 7/12/2009 5:17:57 AM
        
        Judge 'em all, I say! - Eri - 7/12/2009 12:55:23 AM
        
        "Blind hog finds acorn!" - Bowser - 7/12/2009 5:23:28 AM

"Liz Cheney Might Run for Office." Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney - which name is most offensive? - Bowser - 7/13/2009 10:34:08 PM

"U.S. commander: Afghan forces insufficient." Killing more people will solve the problem. - Bowser - 7/11/2009 5:49:44 AM
- "Saddam's life wasn't worth one American kid's life." - Lindy - 7/13/2009 1:55:27 PM
- No. Killing THE RIGHT people will solve the problem. Quality not quantity of targets is what counts. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 7/12/2009 8:19:22 PM
- And just think, this all could have been avoided. - Eri - 7/12/2009 12:46:02 AM

I remember reading "USA has already lost in Iraq" many times. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 7/3/2009 2:55:09 PM
- Somebody did win in Iraq. - ER - 7/10/2009 1:22:00 PM
  - Monday morning - TB - 7/11/2009 7:55:15 PM
    - The world is safer with Cheney gone. And was safer with Saddam in place. - Bowser - 7/11/2009 9:34:22 PM
      - So the Busheviki didn't just lie to us, but to their own people, too. - ER - 7/11/2009 10:35:43 PM
    - re: Monday morning - ER - 7/11/2009 9:08:50 PM
- By what standards has it been "won"? - Bowser - 7/3/2009 4:59:02 PM
  - By military standards it has been won - Buck Galaxy - 7/7/2009 5:59:00 AM
    - By military standards it lasted 2 months. Consider an auction. - Bowser - 7/7/2009 6:23:54 AM
      - The military's job isn't to make a profit - Buck Galaxy - 7/8/2009 4:25:42 AM
        
        Some missions aren't worth the cost. "Winning" some auctions is foolish. (n/t) - Bowser - 7/8/2009 8:22:07 AM
  - Because Saddam is dead and the democratic government is in power. - David F Mayer - 7/6/2009 10:42:54 PM
    - LOL! That 'democratic government' will last for about 15 minutes after we leave! - z - 7/7/2009 12:30:04 PM
      - "most hated country in the world" - TB - 7/7/2009 2:05:52 PM
        
        you say that with confidence. Who IS then? (n/t) - Doug Ellison - 7/7/2009 6:38:53 PM
        
        re: Who IS then? - TB - 7/8/2009 12:54:11 AM
        
        Damning with feint praise - Robert - 7/8/2009 11:24:12 PM
        
        re: Who IS then? - Doug Ellison - 7/8/2009 8:00:54 AM
        
        Links - TB - 7/9/2009 7:23:26 PM
        
        re: Links - Doug Ellison - 7/10/2009 2:56:46 PM
        
        re: Links - TB - 7/11/2009 1:34:10 AM
        
        re: Links - Doug Ellison - 7/13/2009 6:48:05 AM
      - For the sake of your hero, you'd better hope not. (n/t) - TB - 7/7/2009 1:57:22 PM
  - I think you called it Bowz.... - Lindy - 7/4/2009 12:22:23 AM

General Motors Emerges from Bankruptcy. - David F Mayer - 7/10/2009 2:18:25 PM
- "...a partnership with eBay to test auctioning vehicles online" - RobVG - 7/11/2009 1:30:33 AM
  - "GM needs to produce and sell quality cars- desirable cars- at an affordable price." Never! It is against GM policy. Anything but that! (n/t) - David F Mayer - 7/12/2009 4:00:42 AM

We have been told repeatedly that nothing could possibly be done about Palestine. - alcaray - 7/11/2009 1:30:36 AM
- re: We have been told repeatedly that nothing could possibly be done about Palestine. - Bowser - 7/11/2009 5:23:00 AM
  - It is all relative... - Jody - 7/11/2009 5:39:03 PM
  - I feel that things are changing. I could be wrong. - alcaray - 7/11/2009 6:49:02 AM

Sure enough, as US troops withdraw, Iraq begins falling apart - z - 7/10/2009 8:51:59 PM

No Obamamania in Mother Russia - Socrates II - 7/8/2009 6:53:21 PM
- Man, if there was an Olympic event in gloomy, depressing cynicism - z - 7/8/2009 10:03:21 PM
- Here's yet another accurqte news source - E.P. - 7/8/2009 8:47:11 PM
  - It's just a blog commentary, so please relax (n/t) - Socrates II - 7/8/2009 9:24:33 PM
    - It's just spin, so sit on it (n/t) - E.P. - 7/10/2009 8:16:48 PM
- Pravda - "Obama makes Russians love Americans again." - Bowser - 7/8/2009 8:42:38 PM

Restrictions on executive pay led to immediate return of TARP money - E.P. - 7/10/2009 8:15:52 PM

These are the kind of people who overthrew the democratically elected president of Honduras - z - 7/8/2009 3:10:15 PM
- "Honduras is a country..." - Lindy - 7/8/2009 8:54:18 PM
- Translation of a slur - any thoughts here ER? - z - 7/8/2009 4:24:53 PM
  - You say potato, I say... - ER - 7/8/2009 5:32:32 PM
    - In some Central American countries - z - 7/8/2009 9:55:17 PM
      - The Spanish language speakers I have been aquainted with - FrankC - 7/9/2009 2:55:53 AM
        
        And how to insult Arabs - z - 7/10/2009 2:51:19 PM

Showdown time on public option - Buck Galaxy - 7/9/2009 5:16:24 AM
- AMA debate by specialty. - Bowser - 7/9/2009 7:51:55 PM
- Why didn't the author mention the company's that are non-profit? - Lee - 7/9/2009 11:46:15 AM
  - re: company's that are non-profit--a real joke/hoax - Publius - 7/9/2009 3:42:44 PM
  - re: Why didn't the author mention the company's that are non-profit? - Buck Galaxy - 7/9/2009 3:13:16 PM
- How does forcing the unemployed to buy health insurance solve anything? - Baroke America - 7/9/2009 6:22:51 AM
  - Obviously you are someone who has studied this issue - Buck Galaxy - 7/9/2009 3:15:25 PM

She should never have dissed Letterman. - ER - 7/4/2009 1:46:21 PM
- Palin has hurt the cause of women in politics - Buck Galaxy - 7/5/2009 11:22:15 PM
  - No more than Katie Couric has ruined the cause of women by being a failed news anchor - Baroke America - 7/9/2009 6:18:22 AM
- "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." - podrock - 7/5/2009 1:40:13 PM
- She could've been a contender. - Lee - 7/5/2009 12:41:43 PM
  - Why bother? - RobVG - 7/5/2009 5:09:24 PM
  - re: She could've been a contender. - ER - 7/5/2009 1:17:06 PM
    - Well I do blame the media some. - Lee - 7/5/2009 3:52:13 PM
    - She embodies the Conservative Credo - "I'm victimized because I am like you." - Bowser - 7/5/2009 3:44:49 PM

Israeli settlers stoning Palestinian kids. - alcaray - 7/9/2009 2:25:01 AM

A new chapter in Identity Theft - your SS number is not safe! - Nick Hoffman - 7/7/2009 1:14:31 AM
- There is a solution - ER - 7/7/2009 3:21:00 PM

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