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Global Cooling and the Climate-Industrial Complex - S - 5/21/2009 11:14:36 PM
- 'Paradox' of carbon cap and trade dawns on German warmists - S - 5/22/2009 4:14:48 PM
  - Hallmark of a scam - S - 5/22/2009 4:32:28 PM
- re: Global Cooling and the Climate-Industrial Complex - gbaikie - 5/22/2009 9:16:06 AM
  - re: Global Cooling and the Climate-Industrial Complex - gbaikie - 5/22/2009 11:16:06 PM
    - re: Global Cooling and the Climate-Industrial Complex - gbaikie - 5/22/2009 11:22:46 PM
  - China leads in coal production and consumption - S - 5/22/2009 2:49:01 PM
  - China realizes the benefits of CO2 production. - ER - 5/22/2009 10:44:34 AM
- "- - - this approach does not pass a basic cost-benefit test." - Bowser - 5/22/2009 3:52:35 AM
  - Wikipropaganda On Global Warming - S - 5/22/2009 6:17:05 AM
  - Read the whole link. (n/t) - TB - 5/22/2009 4:30:17 AM

UAE nuclear deal - TB - 5/22/2009 9:34:26 PM

Government power - TB - 5/22/2009 5:36:23 PM

We held hundreds of thousands of German POWs on American soil for years... - alcaray - 5/20/2009 11:10:09 PM
- Goalposts still in motion... - TB - 5/22/2009 5:03:13 PM
- I suspect - FrankC - 5/22/2009 2:00:17 AM
  - Too bad they closed alcatraz - Buck Galaxy - 5/22/2009 3:39:20 AM
    - "Is there any doubt?" - TB - 5/22/2009 3:05:28 PM
- And you see no difference at all? (n/t) - TB - 5/20/2009 11:18:21 PM
  - Many. - alcaray - 5/20/2009 11:19:48 PM
    - re: Many. - TB - 5/21/2009 12:19:50 AM
      - So you think they are so much more dangerous.... - alcaray - 5/21/2009 3:27:14 AM
        
        They're just playing politics because - Buck Galaxy - 5/22/2009 4:58:49 AM
      - Hi-terrorist prisoners? - ER - 5/21/2009 1:33:39 AM
        
        re: Hi-terrorist prisoners? - gbaikie - 5/21/2009 2:09:59 AM

Credit card "reform" - TB - 5/19/2009 5:21:59 PM
- Why stop at credit cards? - ER - 5/21/2009 2:17:03 AM
  - Indeed - Robert - 5/22/2009 1:46:00 AM
    - Thanks for the corroborating information, from an insider perspective. - ER - 5/22/2009 2:48:43 PM
    - re: Indeed - TB - 5/22/2009 3:39:33 AM
      - Yep - corrupt to that core. "The core assumption seems to be that the private sector is corrupt- - -" - Bowser - 5/22/2009 5:01:02 AM
        
        re: Yep - corrupt to that core. "The core assumption seems to be that the private sector is corrupt- - -" - Robert - 5/22/2009 5:24:00 AM
      - Have you ever heard of 'checks and balances'? - Robert - 5/22/2009 4:44:13 AM
        
        'checks and balances' - TB - 5/22/2009 2:34:31 PM
- Collusion, price fixing by CC companies? - Buck Galaxy - 5/20/2009 3:28:44 PM
- Any sympathy for those who have no alternative but to use their credit cards - z - 5/20/2009 11:47:23 AM
  - How is that relevant? - TB - 5/20/2009 6:40:10 PM
    - Let me know when you "get it" (n/t) - Lindy - 5/20/2009 11:05:22 PM
      - re: Let me know when you "get it" - TB - 5/20/2009 11:19:22 PM
        
        Now I get it. - ER - 5/21/2009 1:11:36 AM
        
        Okay. - TB - 5/21/2009 3:37:11 AM
        
        Changing the subject again? (n/t) - ER - 5/21/2009 10:22:05 AM
        
        No, I was making a point - TB - 5/21/2009 4:44:13 PM
        
        So was I. - ER - 5/21/2009 5:14:26 PM
        
        re: So was I. - TB - 5/21/2009 5:42:18 PM
        
        No. - ER - 5/21/2009 5:54:46 PM
        
        re: No. - TB - 5/21/2009 6:27:07 PM
        
        This is getting really tiresome. - ER - 5/21/2009 7:36:50 PM
- So the banks are gonna pout? - Bowser - 5/20/2009 4:28:30 AM
  - And let's not forget the merchants, - ER - 5/20/2009 2:51:49 PM
- Gun rights bill attached - RobVG - 5/19/2009 8:26:36 PM
- Oh yeah, that's terrible. - RobVG - 5/19/2009 6:34:18 PM
- I don't understand why... - ER - 5/19/2009 6:32:56 PM
  - Who, the competent? (n/t) - TB - 5/19/2009 8:18:58 PM
    - No, the usurers (n/t) - ER - 5/19/2009 8:37:45 PM
      - Maybe I wasn't clear. - TB - 5/19/2009 8:50:58 PM
        
        I like my credit cards too. - ER - 5/19/2009 10:24:36 PM

Obama and Cheney's speeches - TB - 5/21/2009 5:59:09 PM
- DUELIN' DIMWITS - carl - 5/22/2009 2:00:49 PM
- "Government web sites are not famous for getting information up there rapidly." - Buck Galaxy - 5/22/2009 3:43:59 AM
  - re: Government web sites - TB - 5/22/2009 4:25:09 AM
    - Jeez you'll complain about anything - Buck Galaxy - 5/22/2009 4:57:18 AM
- Cheney forgets WTC was well into his watch. 'Nuff sed. - Bowser - 5/21/2009 10:43:56 PM

affluence to hardship - JEKing - 5/13/2009 10:00:24 PM
- Steps to solutions - E.P. - 5/18/2009 7:16:52 PM
- One last try... - ER - 5/15/2009 8:32:22 PM
  - I suppose..... - Lindy - 5/16/2009 12:38:30 AM
  - What were you looking for? (n/t) - TB - 5/15/2009 10:39:07 PM
- I believe there are other factors which even worsen that outlook. - Bowser - 5/14/2009 1:57:26 AM
  - Soylent Green - Jody - 5/16/2009 2:33:23 AM
    - re: Soylent Green - JEKing - 5/21/2009 11:23:00 PM
      - :) (n/t) - Jody - 5/22/2009 2:12:23 AM
- Altered state - ER - 5/14/2009 12:33:27 AM

Leaked OMB CO2 memo contradicts EPA findings - S - 5/13/2009 4:33:02 PM
- Dr. Peiser's plan: use CO2 warming to counter Sun's dormancy (n/t) - E.P. - 5/18/2009 7:05:07 PM
  - Hubris and Folly - S - 5/19/2009 2:43:11 AM
    - I don't know, he seems to be doing quite well in pulling it off (n/t) - E.P. - 5/19/2009 8:22:41 PM
      - Aha - S - 5/21/2009 9:53:34 PM
- EPA Holding a Smoking Gun Memo - Barrasso uncovers deception - S - 5/13/2009 10:15:22 PM
- Sticker shock in acting on global warming - S - 5/13/2009 10:07:14 PM

Electric Hummer gets 100 mpg - gbaikie - 5/20/2009 8:18:55 PM
- "electricity = oil?" - TB - 5/20/2009 9:02:13 PM
  - Mack ultracapacitors - RobVG - 5/21/2009 12:00:04 AM
    - A lot of people are going to be throwing in the towel. (n/t) - TB - 5/21/2009 1:21:10 AM

Another Republican moderate passes on 2012, joins Obama's State Dept. - z - 5/19/2009 2:53:19 PM
- Richard Quinn, author of the great McCain victory, tells us how to win? - TB - 5/19/2009 4:52:51 PM
  - Why not stay with Limbaugh? He didn't like McCain, either. Too liberal. - Bowser - 5/20/2009 4:24:00 AM
  - If you chase every moderate out the GOP, you definitely won't win (n/t) - z - 5/20/2009 2:44:34 AM
    - Look back to the elections the GOP did overwhelmingly win. - TB - 5/20/2009 3:52:32 AM
      - Reagan was conservative but his message and manner were stll inclusive - z - 5/20/2009 4:39:24 PM
      - Let's see... - dtb - 5/20/2009 4:26:57 AM
        
        I was thinking of recent decades - TB - 5/20/2009 5:48:37 AM
        
        Reagan, the fiscal conservative who practiced keynesian economics (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 5/20/2009 5:07:21 PM
        
        Long-term cycles - dtb - 5/20/2009 2:34:52 PM
- Obama's political strategy? - ER - 5/19/2009 3:30:04 PM
  - And it may just be to have a representative government, a concept regarded by the loonies as weird. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/20/2009 9:33:22 PM

California special election - TB - 5/20/2009 6:35:29 AM
- Editorial morphing - TB - 5/20/2009 7:49:27 PM

Ted Kennedy in remission - TB - 5/19/2009 8:23:28 PM
- Great news. - REB - 5/19/2009 8:26:50 PM
  - Maybe not. - TB - 5/20/2009 1:19:36 AM
    - Man... - Jody - 5/20/2009 1:11:18 PM

what's your economic stress index? - SDG - 5/18/2009 7:32:10 PM
- Trouble in Ecotopia - ER - 5/18/2009 8:08:19 PM
  - Foreclosures tilt the numbers? - TB - 5/18/2009 9:20:17 PM
    - Good points, - ER - 5/18/2009 9:36:17 PM
      - More generally on Oregon - dtb - 5/19/2009 1:54:52 PM
      - Much of the dark brown stain out here emanates from Sacramento. (n/t) - TB - 5/18/2009 10:06:20 PM
        
        Having lived in California, I don't doubt that for a moment. - ER - 5/18/2009 10:18:39 PM
        
        Regional patterns - dtb - 5/19/2009 2:04:00 PM
        
        re: Regional patterns - ER - 5/19/2009 5:17:48 PM
        
        Don't know. What's Oregon's government like? - TB - 5/18/2009 10:44:22 PM

A very real threat - A strong Taliban with nuclear weapons. - Bowser - 5/17/2009 7:06:02 AM
- Chainsaw duel in the dark. - ER - 5/19/2009 3:06:48 PM
- Gosh Gee, ya think so... - E.P. - 5/18/2009 7:08:15 PM
- Seeing as we once.... - Lindy - 5/17/2009 1:53:07 PM

Auto industry desperately treading water? - TB - 5/18/2009 10:46:37 PM
- USA Auto industry's REAL problems. - David F Mayer - 5/19/2009 4:02:31 AM
- Excellent Idea! I have been in favor of this for decades. - David F Mayer - 5/19/2009 3:24:17 AM
- China to hand them another. - RobVG - 5/19/2009 1:54:38 AM

Republican-appointed Supreme Court men say it's perfectly fine to discriminate against pregnant women - z - 5/18/2009 7:16:39 PM
- An ugly little secret that everybody knows but nobody talks about. - ER - 5/18/2009 9:18:28 PM
  - Oh, I think there's a lot of ignorance and real hatred out there - z - 5/18/2009 11:03:29 PM
    - Bigotry still exists. - ER - 5/19/2009 1:27:41 AM

Ban Questionable Wall Street Practices. - David F Mayer - 5/18/2009 8:36:11 PM
- The problem is that financial innovation frequently outpaces - z - 5/18/2009 11:08:54 PM
  - Pretty smart guys. - ER - 5/19/2009 12:53:59 AM
- I'm sorry Dave. I can't do that. - ER - 5/18/2009 9:33:46 PM
  - Wrong. They CAN be made illegal and SHOULD be made illegal. - David F Mayer - 5/18/2009 9:43:11 PM
    - You're preaching to the choir. - ER - 5/18/2009 11:01:02 PM

Gates changes U.S. commander in Afghanistan - Buck Galaxy - 5/12/2009 6:43:56 AM
- re: changes - TB - 5/12/2009 5:02:31 PM
  - What is a winning strategy? - Buck Galaxy - 5/13/2009 4:52:37 AM
    - Great ground intelligence, and long range snipers - E.P. - 5/18/2009 7:24:38 PM
    - re: What is a winning strategy? - TB - 5/13/2009 5:45:59 AM
      - That didn't take long - Buck Galaxy - 5/13/2009 3:33:59 PM
        
        Numbers - TB - 5/13/2009 4:26:02 PM
        
        Your link credits then president elect Obama - Buck Galaxy - 5/14/2009 6:53:16 AM
        
        No. It doesn't. - TB - 5/14/2009 4:35:42 PM
        
        Double talk - Buck Galaxy - 5/15/2009 1:50:50 AM
  - In other words, "nation building." - Bowser - 5/12/2009 5:51:10 PM
    - re: In other words, "nation building." - Hans - 5/12/2009 9:59:53 PM
      - Our action in Afghanistan was tactical. - ER - 5/13/2009 1:46:56 AM
        
        And strategic. - Bowser - 5/13/2009 4:24:38 AM
        
        re: And strategic. - ER - 5/13/2009 11:00:07 AM
        
        When I have time I'll pursue this. - Bowser - 5/13/2009 6:46:46 PM
        
        There may have been some truth to that at one time. - ER - 5/13/2009 7:06:27 PM
      - Read a history of the area. - Bowser - 5/12/2009 10:53:25 PM
        
        re: Read a history of the area. - gbaikie - 5/13/2009 4:23:10 AM
        
        I can see how it could have seemed that way. - Bowser - 5/13/2009 7:08:47 PM
        
        re: I can see how it could have seemed that way. - Hans - 5/13/2009 8:17:00 PM

The new attack: this recession is Obama's fault - E.P. - 5/18/2009 7:19:42 PM

"NYT: Conservatives map strategy in court fight." An appeal to the basest of the base. - Bowser - 5/17/2009 5:44:27 PM
- It wasn't Republicans that made the word "Bork" into a verb. (n/t) - TB - 5/17/2009 8:05:50 PM
  - Actually, it WAS Republicans that made "Bork" into a verb. - ER - 5/18/2009 4:09:19 AM
    - Not really. - TB - 5/18/2009 2:23:34 PM
      - I'm not picking sides, - ER - 5/18/2009 4:10:38 PM
      - Lessee. Obama has a mandate from The People. That is, "Ignore Conservatives." - Bowser - 5/18/2009 3:22:33 PM
  - It was, however, Republicans who nominated Bork. Can you imagine? (n/t) - Bowser - 5/17/2009 11:03:59 PM
    - Didn't even see the point go by, did you? (n/t) - TB - 5/18/2009 3:26:56 AM
      - Reality, TB. Not everyone who disagrees with you has missed the point. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/18/2009 4:19:31 AM
        
        Not everyone, no. (n/t) - TB - 5/18/2009 2:22:19 PM
- Is this the link you intended? - alcaray - 5/17/2009 7:08:10 PM
  - It is indeed. Thanks. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/17/2009 7:45:14 PM

War solves nothing? - Lee - 5/17/2009 3:09:40 PM
- The problem with war - FrankC - 5/17/2009 7:12:38 PM
- Lee, Lee, Lee! - Bowser - 5/17/2009 3:40:03 PM

Just saying... - FrankC - 5/16/2009 5:40:08 PM
- re: New 'Prisoner Abuse' Photographs Emerge Despite US Bid to Block Publication - Eric - 5/16/2009 10:02:56 PM

George Will - TB - 5/15/2009 1:01:22 AM
- George Will is probably right, as history has shown him to be very often. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 5/15/2009 12:49:59 PM
- hmmm... political allocation of wealth and opportunity. - alcaray - 5/15/2009 1:52:22 AM
  - Which is why the GOP lost last election.. - Lee - 5/15/2009 11:43:12 AM
  - Maybe you haven't noticed - TB - 5/15/2009 4:00:12 AM
    - Whoever goes in there will come out the same way - Socrates II - 5/15/2009 5:22:15 PM
      - Bingo. - TB - 5/15/2009 5:44:13 PM
        
        But how far do we spread the authority? - Socrates II - 5/15/2009 8:08:47 PM
        
        Following the Constitution would be nice. - Lee - 5/16/2009 1:45:05 PM
        
        I would be happy with simply halting the continued concentration of it. - TB - 5/15/2009 10:18:14 PM
        
        re: But how far do we spread the authority? - gbaikie - 5/15/2009 9:30:00 PM
  - I think you nailed the reaction of most people reading that (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 5/15/2009 3:07:20 AM
- The bank robbers are incensed by the pickpockets. After Bush and Iraq this is high comedy. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/15/2009 1:52:00 AM

Will GM Bankruptcy really Tank the ECONOMY? - carl - 5/11/2009 7:32:16 PM
- It doesn't look good. - ER - 5/12/2009 2:11:34 AM
  - re: It doesn't look good. - TB - 5/12/2009 4:26:34 AM
    - You may very well be right. - ER - 5/12/2009 10:43:05 AM
      - re: You may very well be right. - TB - 5/12/2009 5:20:17 PM
        
        So who actually shot JFK? - ER - 5/12/2009 6:29:48 PM
        
        Smoke from the correct smoking gun... - alcaray - 5/12/2009 9:58:07 PM
        
        Back to the fog - TB - 5/12/2009 7:04:01 PM
        
        I offer the olive branch - ER - 5/12/2009 8:32:56 PM
        
        No compromise, no negotiation, my-way-or-the-highway. (n/t) - Bowser - 5/12/2009 11:25:07 PM
        
        olive branch? - TB - 5/12/2009 11:07:34 PM
        
        re: olive branch? - ER - 5/13/2009 12:57:20 AM
        
        re: olive branch? - TB - 5/13/2009 3:01:53 AM
        
        re: olive branch? - ER - 5/13/2009 10:32:35 AM
        
        "Reasonable thinkers" - TB - 5/13/2009 5:14:39 PM
        
        It wouldn't have ended like this in a sports bar. - ER - 5/13/2009 6:10:42 PM
        
        re: It wouldn't have ended like this in a sports bar. - SDAI-Tech1 - 5/13/2009 6:40:21 PM
        
        I get to be Frank Gorshin - TB - 5/13/2009 9:21:28 PM
        
        â€œA critic is someone who never actually goes to the battle, yet who afterwards comes out shooting the woundedâ€ - ER - 5/13/2009 6:52:27 PM
        
        No one wants me to come to battle. - SDAI-Tech1 - 5/14/2009 12:46:18 AM
        
        I thought you were going to say it was from Stoker or Wilde or someone. - alcaray - 5/13/2009 10:51:39 PM
        
        I liked the quote. - ER - 5/14/2009 12:38:45 AM
        
        I liked it too. - alcaray - 5/14/2009 1:40:41 AM
        
        Woah! - alcaray - 5/14/2009 1:47:47 AM
        
        I vant to dlink yor blahd. - ER - 5/14/2009 2:01:40 AM
    - Have you ever looked into the causes of The Great Depression? - Bowser - 5/12/2009 7:08:32 AM
      - German default - E.P. - 5/12/2009 10:23:33 PM
      - This whole mess started with $4.00/gal gas and $5.00/gal diesel. - Lee - 5/12/2009 11:56:01 AM
        
        You don't pay for a war with tax cuts for the wealthy - E.P. - 5/12/2009 10:28:49 PM
        
        EVEN Far Back as 1973 - carl - 5/12/2009 4:43:26 PM
        
        Gas is creeping back up...notice? - Lindy - 5/12/2009 4:51:58 PM
        
        Seasonal RIP-OFF! - carl - 5/12/2009 6:36:15 PM

Two items on the changes in leadership in Afghanistan - TB - 5/13/2009 6:11:36 PM
- After 7 years of failure, twice as long as WWII, etc. - - - (n/t) - Bowser - 5/13/2009 6:36:27 PM

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