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Democrats driving off another cliff? - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2005 1:46:21 AM
- re: Nah... Just diving into a dumpster. - Scott Evil - 12/30/2005 6:10:30 AM
- I think the NSA actions are justified - SteveS - 12/29/2005 8:16:41 PM
  - You just don't get it, do you? - Lindy - 12/29/2005 10:12:35 PM
    - Well, I sure don't get that! - SteveS - 12/29/2005 10:53:02 PM
      - What vote? (n/t) - Lindy - 12/29/2005 11:18:10 PM
  - Where do you get the connection between this NSA kerfluffle... - alcaray - 12/29/2005 8:35:22 PM
    - re: connection - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2005 10:52:21 PM
    - You yahoo'n me again ;-) - SteveS - 12/29/2005 10:25:22 PM
      - Yeh, I was. To you and Tom, both... - alcaray - 12/29/2005 11:20:32 PM
        
        Oversight - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2005 4:42:05 AM
        
        Don't think you know what oversight means, in regards warrants (n/t) - alcaray - 12/30/2005 6:30:23 AM
        
        Fortunately, the Left doesn't get to set the parameters. - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2005 9:15:01 PM
        
        Thanks - SteveS - 12/30/2005 12:33:01 AM
- Nah, just straw men - Robert - 12/29/2005 6:46:26 PM
- Why didn't they ask - alcaray - 12/29/2005 4:54:36 PM
- re More of your straw people. We also support legal use of wiretaps. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/29/2005 3:16:36 PM
- Abramoff is Republican. So are Frist, DeLay, Lay, etc. - Bowser - 12/29/2005 1:59:25 PM
  - And about half of the money Abramoff went to Democrats like Patrck Kennedy and Harry Reid... - Larry J - 12/29/2005 3:10:55 PM
    - Abramoff has some pretty heavy duty connections - Lindy - 12/29/2005 10:33:08 PM
    - Story is not about campaign contributions. - alcaray - 12/29/2005 5:00:20 PM
      - How is a campaign contribution different from a bribe? - Larry J - 12/29/2005 7:04:53 PM
        
        It's Abramoff's connections to the Office of the President, money laundering of international drug smuggling and it's connections with the Mob - Lindy - 12/29/2005 10:39:25 PM
        
        The law attempts to delineate between that which is ok, from that which is punishably bad. - alcaray - 12/29/2005 8:11:18 PM
        
        re: The law attempts to delineate between that which is ok, from that which is punishably bad. - Lindy - 12/29/2005 11:23:25 PM
        
        Don't need to resort to frightingly cruddy sources like that, to know that Abramoff is a real bad apple. - alcaray - 12/29/2005 11:39:08 PM
        
        "Frightingly cruddy sources like that....." - Lindy - 12/30/2005 5:41:38 PM
        
        If I defecate upon Brosz's Newsmax, then I am honor bound to do the same to your Madcow. - alcaray - 12/30/2005 6:32:16 PM
        
        Just for drill... - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2005 9:17:12 PM
        
        Just for you, the Abramoff primer - Tony - 12/29/2005 7:40:05 PM
        
        Its the same old story. - Scott Evil - 12/29/2005 7:09:17 PM
        
        "Its those darn rich people and evil corporations! always trying to buy influence" - Lindy - 12/29/2005 10:44:10 PM
- re: Democrats driving off another cliff? - Laurie Street - 12/29/2005 2:50:45 AM
  - it is obviously a much more complicated issue than the Democrats want the US public to believe. - Scott Evil - 12/29/2005 2:32:54 PM
  - Poll - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2005 4:08:15 AM

For those who still have some time left over... - alcaray - 12/29/2005 9:11:48 PM
- What a bunch of leftist shlophppppp. - Scott Evil - 12/30/2005 6:06:22 AM
  - I don't agree. - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2005 9:12:32 PM
- re: For those who still have some time left over... - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2005 10:39:15 PM

FRED the BAKER DIES....Time 2 Make the DONUTS!!!!! - carl - 12/30/2005 5:11:36 PM

Kurds resist hope of unity in Iraq - Donald - 12/28/2005 3:17:34 PM
- re: Kurds resist hope of unity in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2005 12:35:27 AM

Two Big Terrorists Killed in Saudi Arabia - David F Mayer - 12/28/2005 2:19:28 PM
- That's good news - Lindy - 12/28/2005 6:13:18 PM

"The future of America...in Iraq" - Tom Brosz - 12/25/2005 8:30:06 PM
- Wouldn't it be wonderful if the soldiers do come home carrying with them a greater understanding of hand-to-hand politics. - Scott Evil - 12/27/2005 2:56:38 PM
- Robert D. Kaplan - nick hoffman - 12/27/2005 7:44:37 AM
- It's an Op-Ed piece, so Kaplan is paid by - - - ? - Bowser - 12/27/2005 12:22:58 AM
  - You have no clue on Earth who Kaplan is, do you? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2005 5:35:40 AM
    - You have no intention of relating subject line to story object, do you? (n/t) - Bowser - 12/27/2005 10:15:13 PM
      - You've pretty much neutralized the concept of discussion here. - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2005 1:13:59 AM
        
        Well Tom - Lee - 12/28/2005 3:17:44 AM
- Mere fascism. Just ask the FarLeft. - David F Mayer - 12/26/2005 9:05:02 AM

Top 10 myths about Iraq in 2005. - et - 12/27/2005 5:38:57 PM
- broken link? (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 12/27/2005 11:20:00 PM
  - Trim off everything except the root of the URL and it takes you right to it. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/27/2005 11:51:30 PM

If Ken Lay gets off, the USA owes an apology to Al Capone (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/27/2005 7:21:58 PM

2,172 - Donald - 12/27/2005 2:31:29 PM

When Christmas cookies are outlawed, only outlaws will bake Christmas cookies - Tom Brosz - 12/26/2005 8:58:52 PM
- Requires registration. What was it about? (n/t) - Robert Clark - 12/27/2005 2:38:57 AM
  - Legal attacks on bakeries - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2005 5:33:48 AM

Politically correct Google. - Robert Clark - 12/25/2005 2:05:02 PM
- History - Tom Brosz - 12/26/2005 10:46:26 PM
  - re: History - Robert Clark - 12/27/2005 2:37:49 AM
- Long before its inception. - David F Mayer - 12/26/2005 9:09:23 AM
- re: Politically correct - Tom Brosz - 12/26/2005 12:05:46 AM
  - re:I agree. Each to his own and Google has never catered to all Christian religious dates. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/26/2005 2:32:57 AM
- re: Politically correct Google. - Mac - 12/25/2005 8:48:57 PM
  - His point is that they acknowledge every other holiday. - Lee - 12/25/2005 10:21:00 PM
    - re: Halloween is not Christian religious date, but All Saints day can be. You a wiccan? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/26/2005 2:37:46 AM
    - Maybe because Christmas and Hannakuh are on the same day this year? (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 12/26/2005 1:06:25 AM
      - re: Maybe because Christmas and Hannakuh are on the same day this year? - Robert Clark - 12/26/2005 1:33:55 AM

Latest on Iraq post election - Buck Galaxy - 12/26/2005 7:32:32 PM
- Encouraging? Hell Yes! They are talking and bickering instead of shooting. - David F Mayer - 12/27/2005 12:03:30 AM
- As long as most of them are yelling in meetings and not shooting... - Tom Brosz - 12/26/2005 7:49:37 PM

ANWR filibustered again. - Tom Brosz - 12/22/2005 6:23:25 AM
- There is no point to doing ANYTHING that will not get immediate results. - David F Mayer - 12/25/2005 7:27:58 PM
- FYI, a discussion or debate on a subject is NOT a filibuster - Publius - 12/24/2005 8:01:15 PM
- re: No Tom. - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2005 10:11:52 PM
  - How will the US ever become energy independent... - Larry J - 12/26/2005 9:32:31 AM
  - No Chris - Tom Brosz - 12/24/2005 8:38:24 PM
    - re: Sure Tom just avoid my points... - Chris Vancil - 12/24/2005 10:01:04 PM
      - re: points... - Tom Brosz - 12/25/2005 7:50:40 AM
        
        The Congress Repubs should beg for a filibuster on this issue. - Lee - 12/25/2005 8:59:00 AM
        
        re: Sending oil to China is now USA "domestic oil"...interesting misconceptions you have! (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/26/2005 2:18:13 AM
        
        And where does China come into this at? - Lee - 12/26/2005 3:46:02 AM
        
        Liberal mythology - Tom Brosz - 12/26/2005 4:20:25 AM
        
        re: Sure is some fictions there Tom. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/26/2005 8:48:41 PM
- No, they threatened a filibuster. - Lee - 12/22/2005 10:34:36 AM
  - Cowards in Congress - Scott Evil - 12/22/2005 10:41:10 PM

A true hero: Tilly Smith - Raoul - 12/26/2005 6:30:27 PM
- Thanks Raoul, I hadn't heard of her (n/t) - McFly - 12/26/2005 7:07:14 PM

2,168 - Donald - 12/26/2005 2:45:59 PM

More on Iraqi vote fraud - Buck Galaxy - 12/23/2005 9:33:45 AM
- You will be SO disappointed if the Iraqis sort this all out without violence. - David F Mayer - 12/23/2005 12:07:17 PM
  - Wrong. - Tom Brosz - 12/23/2005 8:24:28 PM
  - Who do you think you're talking to? - Buck Galaxy - 12/23/2005 8:07:29 PM
    - My apologies. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/25/2005 7:29:07 PM

Nary a neocon natter, no cluck, on " - - - what could be the biggest congressional scandal story in a century or more." - Bowser - 12/22/2005 7:58:51 PM
- Some funny named neocons on the list... - Larry J - 12/23/2005 12:21:15 AM
- throw the whole bunch out... - Scott Evil - 12/22/2005 10:38:39 PM
  - re: throw the whole bunch out... - LJK - 12/23/2005 1:03:18 AM
  - I would agree - Lindy - 12/22/2005 11:40:00 PM
    - Source? - Mac - 12/23/2005 1:53:51 AM
      - re: Source? - Lindy - 12/23/2005 3:30:43 AM
        
        re: Source? - Mac - 12/23/2005 3:58:53 PM
        
        Inbox old news - Lindy - 12/23/2005 8:30:32 PM
        
        Whoa...nice dodge. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/24/2005 8:33:57 PM
        
        I'll see your Sadam-lover - Mac - 12/23/2005 9:14:53 PM
        
        Well I know who the "Spoiled Sociopath with Low-Grade Mentality" is but....... - Lindy - 12/24/2005 1:21:03 AM
  - How sad if the only way to guard against corruption is term limits - alcaray - 12/22/2005 11:21:03 PM
- If you are innocent, you have nothing to worry about - alcaray - 12/22/2005 10:12:06 PM
  - Congress needs term limits. - Scott Evil - 12/22/2005 10:42:34 PM
    - Agreed. - David F Mayer - 12/23/2005 12:32:57 AM
      - Some Federal Judges Corrupted - Lindy - 12/23/2005 4:03:28 AM

Christmas in Iraq - alcaray - 12/23/2005 6:09:11 PM
- Not sure if your blogger is actually in Iraq - Sam F. - 12/24/2005 11:13:32 AM
  - I think that was sarcasm on his part, not a factual statement. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/24/2005 8:30:14 PM
- re: Christmas in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 12/24/2005 1:36:21 AM

A major global warming threat identified - Donald - 12/24/2005 4:04:39 PM

"Rumsfeld, in Iraq, announces troop reduction" - did anyone hear the field commanders say they needed fewer troops? - Bowser - 12/23/2005 10:01:02 PM
- Political pressure IMHO - Buck Galaxy - 12/23/2005 11:27:26 PM
  - re: Political pressure IMHO - Mac - 12/24/2005 5:41:12 AM

This just in: Iraqi voters smarter than the Bush administration - alcaray - 12/23/2005 5:48:21 PM
- Update from Iraq The Model - Tom Brosz - 12/23/2005 8:22:17 PM
  - "---a lot of U.S. behind-the-scenes support of the protests is going on." Quite democratic, eh?" - Bowser - 12/23/2005 9:33:42 PM
    - What would you prefer? - Tom Brosz - 12/24/2005 1:31:15 AM
      - Since when is the US participating in undermining an election "democratic"? - Bowser - 12/24/2005 4:56:18 AM

A new King George? - Chris Vancil - 12/21/2005 4:06:19 PM
- Time to talk seriously - McFly - 12/21/2005 6:20:39 PM
  - Like father, like son - Lindy - 12/22/2005 4:59:00 AM
  - should have said... - McFly - 12/21/2005 6:28:47 PM
    - What the law says... - Larry J - 12/22/2005 3:19:58 AM
      - re: Yes well it's a load of BS. He was required to go thru FISA courts and chose not to. - Chris Vancil - 12/22/2005 8:38:16 AM
        
        The law says otherwise - Larry J - 12/22/2005 2:41:07 PM
        
        re: Simple question for you ALL. Why do we have a FISA court? - Chris Vancil - 12/22/2005 10:20:13 PM
        
        Here's a little reading assignment... - Larry J - 12/23/2005 12:07:27 AM
        
        re: No Larry and other question. Who are called the LAW makers here in the old USA? - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2005 12:57:15 AM
        
        So that's the administration's position... - alcaray - 12/23/2005 12:25:35 AM
        
        You can read what a Clinton Administration Assistant Attorney General wrote on the same subject... - Larry J - 12/23/2005 12:55:20 AM
        
        re: Why is it that every time Bush does wrong you folks drag out a "Clinton Administration" hack? You think it makes your BS more tasty? - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2005 8:51:23 AM
        
        Nice try. - Tom Brosz - 12/23/2005 8:26:57 PM
        
        re:Yes on your part! It is simply a tired and stupid plan to cite Clinton era "experts" every time Bush step in it!. - Chris Vancil - 12/23/2005 10:02:30 PM
        
        No, that really is the Bush administration's position. - alcaray - 12/23/2005 6:16:29 AM
        
        It is helpful to differentiate a legal opinion from THE LAW - alcaray - 12/22/2005 4:06:51 PM
        
        re: THE LAW - Tom Brosz - 12/23/2005 5:44:55 AM
        
        Please tell me that you understand that's the administration's position (n/t) - alcaray - 12/23/2005 6:17:27 AM
        
        That's not going to work. - Tom Brosz - 12/23/2005 7:19:12 AM
        
        We'd never have anything to talk about if that held true...:-) (n/t) - Tony - 12/23/2005 4:15:51 PM
        
        But that's my position that you just articulated - alcaray - 12/23/2005 3:51:30 PM
        
        Federal Judge quits in Protest of Bush's New Law - Lindy - 12/22/2005 3:57:35 PM
      - Larry, nobody cares. - Tom Brosz - 12/22/2005 6:19:52 AM
        
        Your next fact on this will be your first... (n/t) - Tony - 12/22/2005 5:27:15 PM
        
        re: Larry, nobody cares. - Scott Evil - 12/22/2005 2:43:50 PM
        
        re: Not for more repub spin! - Chris Vancil - 12/22/2005 8:46:22 AM
        
        So, is citing the law spin? - Larry J - 12/22/2005 2:42:11 PM
        
        re: When you start citing applicable law I will listen...never the less we need to seriously start an investigation into ALL of Bush's amoral behavior not just this BS. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/22/2005 9:59:56 PM
        
        Who's pulling what from where now? - tony - 12/22/2005 3:34:17 PM
        
        As everyone keeps telling me, what the hell do bloggers know? - Tom Brosz - 12/23/2005 5:23:30 AM
    - Well, my understanding is that a large number of leakers have stepped forward - alcaray - 12/21/2005 10:56:54 PM
    - re: should have said...Down with King George! - Chris Vancil - 12/21/2005 8:30:48 PM
      - "The bending and contorting of the Constitution to justify a grasping, irresponsible Administration under the banner of â€œnational securityâ€ are an outrage" - US Senator Robert C. Byrd - 12/22/2005 5:32:29 AM
    - Mark Twain: "History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes" - Fox - 12/21/2005 6:47:59 PM

Bird Flu Victims Die After Drug Resistance - LJK - 12/23/2005 4:25:56 PM
- I'm a little skeptical about this story - alcaray - 12/23/2005 7:32:06 PM
  - re: I'm a little skeptical about this story - Mac - 12/23/2005 7:59:11 PM

Next on NOVA: "Wave That Shook the World" - LJK - 12/23/2005 7:48:04 PM

87% MSNBC Poll Favor Immediate Bush Impeachment - Jack Herer - 12/22/2005 7:07:56 PM
- re: SDF's (n/t) post - Fox, as Moderator - 12/22/2005 10:28:59 PM
  - I too objected to the term 'intern' (n/t) - R.L. - 12/22/2005 11:51:43 PM
  - What word should I have used? (n/t) - SDF - 12/22/2005 11:01:21 PM
    - You should have described the act graphically in non offensive terms... (n/t) - R.L. - 12/23/2005 7:24:21 PM
    - For instance, you could have broken the sentence - Fox, as Moderator - 12/23/2005 2:08:29 AM
    - "ashes hauled" "some" "a hummer" (n/t) - Euphemismo - 12/23/2005 1:48:22 AM
    - might try an acronym or cute-sounding nickname that not everyone knows (n/t) - alcaray - 12/22/2005 11:23:17 PM
- Not a realistic expectation. - David F Mayer - 12/22/2005 8:01:01 PM
  - DF opinion - "Nearly ALL of the Sunnis will join up with the new government that has them represented proportionately to their population - Bowser - 12/22/2005 9:38:04 PM
    - It is not over yet. There may be a recount. The government WILL address - David F Mayer - 12/23/2005 12:35:13 AM
    - It is not over yet. There may be a recount. The government WILL address - David F Mayer - 12/23/2005 12:35:10 AM
- Smartest thing Tom ever said: - Tony - 12/22/2005 7:30:15 PM
  - Thanks. Saved me from having to post it yet one more time. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/23/2005 4:45:18 AM
- 4. I don't know - alcaray - 12/22/2005 7:27:42 PM
  - re: 4. I don't know - azstrummer - 12/22/2005 7:56:42 PM
    - Bullies - Lindy - 12/23/2005 4:33:33 AM
    - "Mandate" - Mac - 12/23/2005 1:44:29 AM
  - Due diligence - Bowser - 12/22/2005 7:54:15 PM

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