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What I dislike about BOTH Liberals and Conservatives is their damned absolute self-righteousness, inflexibility, and certainty. - David F Mayer - 1/13/2005 11:53:13 PM
- What I dislike about generalities........ - Publius - 1/14/2005 4:01:40 AM
  - Generalities are ALWAYS pointless... :) (n/t) - R.L. - 1/15/2005 7:41:09 AM
    - "Generalities are ALWAYS pointless" a perfectly pointless generality. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/16/2005 10:01:11 AM
      - In general, yes (n/t) - R.L. - 1/16/2005 11:29:15 AM
  - Your last paragraph is a good restatement of my point. - David F Mayer - 1/14/2005 7:37:30 PM
  - All generalities, or just some of them? ;) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 4:50:18 PM
    - If I said "all generalities" that would be a generality. Some would be a selective use of a principle...geez (n/t) - Publius - 1/14/2005 9:49:17 PM
- Still making things up, operating on stereotypes. And, probably belongs on Flame. (n/t) - Bowser - 1/14/2005 12:41:37 AM
- Darn good thing YOU aren't like that!!! - R.L. - 1/14/2005 12:11:31 AM
  - I do NOT follow a party line. I try to think though each issue separately. Got it? (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/14/2005 7:38:22 PM
    - hmmm - Davin :. - 1/14/2005 9:00:15 PM
      - re: hmmm - Mark Eby - 1/16/2005 5:18:45 AM
        
        Ooookay mark - Davin L. - 1/16/2005 8:00:02 PM
        
        To Get A Reaction Like That - Mark Eby - 1/16/2005 9:36:04 PM
        
        re: To Get A Reaction Like That - Davin L. - 1/16/2005 11:33:18 PM
        
        Didn't Mean To Start A Flame War - Mark Eby - 1/17/2005 12:06:21 AM
        
        Yes, you did. We all know how to put two and two together. - Davin :. - 1/17/2005 12:26:33 AM
  - heh heh - my sentiments exactly (n/t) - Fox - 1/14/2005 4:05:59 AM

Comments on elections in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 1/15/2005 2:12:13 AM
- And how are these different that those in Eastern Europe after WWII - under the Soviets? (n/t) - Bowser - 1/15/2005 6:10:39 AM
  - Ask people who were there, read some history, and apologize for acting a fool. (n/t) - ebnelson - 1/16/2005 4:42:01 PM
  - Simple: More than ONE party is on the ballot. There is choice. Do you understand what that means? (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/16/2005 9:54:37 AM
  - Sorry, Bowser. Gotten tired of trying to explain astronomy to a fish. - Tom Brosz - 1/15/2005 6:34:56 PM
    - Motives, principles and methods, eh? In other words, none. (n/t) - Bowser - 1/15/2005 11:52:30 PM
      - Yeah, Bowser. Soviet Union = America. Right. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/16/2005 12:04:13 AM
        
        Occupied country voting only on choices approved by occupier. - Bowser - 1/16/2005 1:50:23 AM
        
        Hundreds of parties are more choice than ONE. The ONE party that the Far Left supported throughout the Cold War. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/16/2005 9:55:50 AM
        
        He's immune to facts, numbers, and simple reason. Forget it. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/16/2005 10:01:39 PM
        
        See. You just can't do it. Because. There is no difference, and you know that. - Bowser - 1/17/2005 12:09:11 AM
        
        Think. ONLY on choices approved by an occupying military power. And - - - - Bowser - 1/16/2005 5:30:45 PM
- One more from the Washington Post - Tom Brosz - 1/15/2005 4:45:02 AM

Soldier in Iraq comments on the media - Tom Brosz - 1/16/2005 12:25:40 AM
- Yeah, and I particularly noticed....... - Publius - 1/16/2005 3:47:09 PM
  - Your ignorance is showing. - Tom Brosz - 1/16/2005 9:59:34 PM

New twist with the United Iraqi Alliance party - Gary - 1/16/2005 7:16:45 PM

Castro is in big trouble now - Cuba has oil - LJ - 1/11/2005 4:53:50 PM
- Our neo-cons liked Batista even without oil. - Bowser - 1/12/2005 5:15:57 AM
  - Do think that Castro is better than Batista? - David F Mayer - 1/12/2005 11:42:36 PM
  - Our lefties don't mind Castro oppressing, jailing and killing tens of thousands of his own people - ebnelson - 1/12/2005 4:08:18 PM
    - can you link me to a supporting thread? (n/t) - alcaray - 1/13/2005 8:08:27 PM
      - Really? You seem to be informed, but are going to ask for links showing Castro is a tyrant? - ebnelson - 1/16/2005 4:45:29 PM
      - Next: alcaray wants links showing Republicans like tax cuts. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 4:23:01 AM
        
        Perhaps, just perhaps - Tony - 1/14/2005 3:08:30 PM
        
        No kidding! Just asking for support that would avert my use of the term - alcaray - 1/14/2005 4:27:23 PM
      - re: I can think of 'a' good thread... make that actual people/familIES. (n/t) - Marcia - 1/14/2005 3:41:59 AM
        
        re: I can think of 'a' good thread... make that actual people/familIES. - Marcia - 1/14/2005 3:47:06 AM
        
        I took Ed's term: "our lefties" to mean people who post here - alcaray - 1/14/2005 4:29:09 PM
        
        Given that, your point is more understandable. - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 4:54:29 PM
        
        Well then show me support for Castro that comes from some semi-reputable left-wing source - alcaray - 1/14/2005 5:30:12 PM
        
        Good question. - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 6:10:05 PM
        
        If you want to translate admiration of the man's IQ to some kind of support for his policies - alcaray - 1/14/2005 6:56:04 PM
        
        Assenting to reality - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 10:34:20 PM
        
        freedom is a new and separate topic from what we were discussing and what your right-wing spinmeister was pitching - alcaray - 1/14/2005 11:13:38 PM
        
        No. It isn't. - Tom Brosz - 1/15/2005 1:09:53 AM
        
        Yes it is. - alcaray - 1/15/2005 5:43:59 PM
        
        re: Alcaray, I understand now... - Marcia - 1/14/2005 5:40:46 PM
        
        I get defensive about it too... - alcaray - 1/14/2005 6:42:21 PM
        
        For the record... - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 7:00:30 PM
        
        Yeah and I wish we could keep Fallwell from running the RNC - alcaray - 1/14/2005 7:09:22 PM
        
        Falwell hasn't been within a parsec of the RNC power structure. - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 7:42:43 PM
        
        I agree to the limits of Fallwell's powers. I assert that his effect is exactly the same as MM's on the DNC. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/14/2005 8:14:14 PM
    - According to the LEFT, tyranny is only real when right-wing tyrants are involved. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/12/2005 11:50:32 PM
      - Show me where I, Tony, Bowser, or anybody showed support for Castro (n/t) - alcaray - 1/14/2005 4:30:31 PM
  - Oh come on - FrankC - 1/12/2005 6:59:32 AM
    - Of course there were neocons back then... - Larry J - 1/12/2005 6:59:51 PM
      - Ah, a new meme is born - Tony - 1/12/2005 7:05:26 PM
        
        Hardly a new meme. - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2005 7:48:07 PM
        
        Did this come about before or after - Tony - 1/12/2005 8:44:14 PM
        
        Look up "cabal" sometime. - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 1:39:04 AM
        
        re: Look up "cabal" sometime. - alcaray - 1/14/2005 11:23:32 PM
- re: Castro is in big trouble now - Cuba has oil - gbaikie - 1/11/2005 9:37:52 PM
- Old news. - ebnelson - 1/11/2005 8:02:36 PM

Senior CIA official: Bush is playing into Bin Laden's hands - Derek - 6/19/2004 1:48:45 PM
- The proof of how the Patriot Act is not being used politically - ebnelson - 6/19/2004 7:03:14 PM
  - re: The proof of how the Patriot Act is not being used politically - George - 1/16/2005 12:24:48 PM
  - On the other hand, it prevented me from cashing my daughter's babysitting check at the bank. - Mary Anne - 6/20/2004 1:35:06 PM
    - I cash checks made out to my kids all the time without any problem at all. Please point out where the PA forbids it. (n/t) - ebnelson - 6/21/2004 1:10:42 AM
      - I'll be sure to ask for chapter and verse next time I go into the bank. They cited the Patriot Act. - Mary Anne - 6/21/2004 1:37:55 AM
- Couldn't be more correct. - Bowser - 6/19/2004 3:15:43 PM
- re: Senior CIA official: Bush is playing into Bin Laden's hands - jr - 6/19/2004 2:49:05 PM
- Exuse me, but 9-11 happened before we did anything to Al Qaeda. - jr - 6/19/2004 2:47:04 PM
  - re: Al Qaeda wants Bush to win - Raoul - 6/19/2004 4:36:54 PM
    - Sure they do. Al Qaeda love the US blowing up their stuff... - jr - 6/19/2004 10:32:25 PM
      - Notice how the anti-Bush cultists can't see what we have done? - ebnelson - 6/20/2004 12:18:29 PM
      - re:Where? - Raoul - 6/20/2004 9:03:18 AM
      - Excuse me,,,,,,,,,,,,but what are you talking about?........ - Publius - 6/19/2004 11:43:00 PM
        
        It seems many have forgotten about Afghanistan. - ebnelson - 6/20/2004 12:21:50 PM
        
        Yup, all them Aye-rabs look alike............ - Publius - 6/20/2004 1:20:14 PM
        
        Maybe to moronic lefties..but good luck (n/t) - ebnelson - 6/21/2004 1:08:51 AM
        
        You know, Ed, I've noticed that when someone hoists you on your own petard - Mary Anne - 6/21/2004 2:09:03 AM
        
        I noticed where Bowser called Pub silly and childish... - FrankC - 6/21/2004 7:03:20 PM
        
        LOL! Maybe so, Frank. Thanks. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 6/21/2004 9:37:49 PM
        
        Thanks Publius....... - Lindy - 6/20/2004 4:36:52 AM
        
        I think that they considered Afghanistan theirs.... - FrankC - 6/19/2004 11:52:40 PM
        
        Yeah, just like Oliver North and his contras...... - Publius - 6/20/2004 9:20:15 PM
        
        "Ran 'em out", eh? Well, who are we fighting? (n/t) - Bowser - 6/20/2004 12:52:06 AM
        
        As you know very well... - FrankC - 6/20/2004 1:25:18 AM

Good news from Afghanistan, Part 8 - Tom Brosz - 1/10/2005 5:34:33 AM
- Very Encouraging - Thanks (n/t) - Mark Eby - 1/16/2005 5:15:44 AM
- As usual... - Tom Brosz - 1/10/2005 7:53:23 PM
- Heh, heh. (n/t) - Bowser - 1/10/2005 7:08:27 AM

Bad News from Iraq - Part 7, 843, 529B - Iraq a new terror breeding groundWar created a haven - CIA advisers report - Bowser - 1/14/2005 4:38:30 AM
- Meanwhile: 1,360 American soldiers have been killed there - Donald - 1/14/2005 3:54:50 PM
- CIA advisers report - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 6:42:12 AM
  - To be more specific on the report... - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 6:51:18 AM
    - One more interesting chart... - Tom Brosz - 1/15/2005 9:56:37 PM

1,362 - Donald - 1/15/2005 3:22:34 PM

Member of Greenspan Commission - Bush lying. (Bowser - he's lying again) - Bowser - 1/15/2005 6:09:18 AM

Internet rumour of tsunami destruction of Diego Garcia - Eric - 1/14/2005 4:11:10 AM
- There is no Diego Garcia...It is a figment of the military industrial complex's imagination. - Scott Evil - 1/14/2005 5:21:31 PM
  - A conspiracy of cartographers? :) (n/t) - R.L. - 1/14/2005 11:49:15 PM
- What is it with the conspiracy people and claims of government coverups of deaths from natural disaster...? - R.L. - 1/14/2005 8:16:27 AM
  - I thought everyone knew... - jms - 1/14/2005 4:25:20 PM
    - It was the myth of fingerprints - Fox - 1/14/2005 7:30:56 PM
      - Haven't seen Mr Simon... - jms - 1/15/2005 5:43:49 AM
    - No, JMS, get with the program - Davin L. - 1/14/2005 7:00:51 PM
      - missed that part... - jms - 1/15/2005 5:46:12 AM
- Diego Garcia is just fine. - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 4:39:26 AM

It was the U.S. military shining lasers at aircraft. - Jack Herer - 1/14/2005 7:47:06 PM
- LINDY TO GO ON TRIAL......................... - Publius - 1/14/2005 11:04:23 PM
- The article you link suggests different - ebnelson - 1/14/2005 9:34:13 PM

More Al Qaeda in Iraq evidence. - REB - 4/30/2003 11:36:09 AM
- From one of your links - alcaray - 4/30/2003 5:16:29 PM
  - Re: From one of your links - REB - 4/30/2003 6:02:27 PM
    - Sorry, I can't figure out your post. n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 4/30/2003 9:12:36 AM
- Not exactly smoking guns - Don - 4/30/2003 1:25:53 PM
  - "Secularist vs. Islamist"... Me thinks you've listened to too many CNN talking heads. - Scott - 4/30/2003 3:25:35 PM
  - It is evidence...and there is lots of it. - REB - 4/30/2003 1:30:09 PM
    - got sources? - Davin L. - 4/30/2003 5:59:08 PM
      - Re: got sources? - REB - 4/30/2003 6:24:25 PM
        
        Yeah, and its still not evidence - Davin L. - 4/30/2003 3:01:23 PM
    - Hardly - Don - 4/30/2003 1:42:13 PM
      - Re: Hardly - REB - 4/30/2003 1:47:59 PM
        
        Re: Hardly - Don - 4/30/2003 2:48:29 PM
        
        Re: Hardly - REB - 4/30/2003 4:28:43 PM
        
        ET phone Iraq? - Davin L. - 4/30/2003 6:04:27 PM
        
        Repeat...give it up REB. - Tom Brosz - 4/30/2003 6:12:17 PM
        
        Scraping? - LJ - 4/30/2003 7:04:55 PM
        
        Go read up on that region, Tom - Davin L. - 4/30/2003 3:16:04 PM
        
        Cripes... - Tom Brosz - 4/30/2003 6:37:10 PM
        
        God, I feel like the Amazing Randy, or Skeptical enquirer here... - Davin L. - 5/1/2003 2:10:55 PM
        
        Re: God, I feel like the Amazing Randy, or Skeptical enquirer here... - gbaikie - 5/1/2003 8:56:18 AM
        
        Sigh - REB - 4/30/2003 6:11:52 PM
        
        Re: Sigh - Davin L. - 4/30/2003 3:23:06 PM
        
        I did not. Ø (n/t) - et - 4/30/2003 9:20:09 AM
- Ansar al-Islam - et - 4/30/2003 9:37:44 AM
  - Re: Ansar al-Islam - Tom Brosz - 4/30/2003 3:00:49 PM
    - Ansar al-Islam fi Kurdistan (Supporters of Islam in Kurdistan) - et - 5/1/2003 5:39:45 PM
    - Ansar al-Islam 101 just for you, tom - Davin L. - 5/1/2003 8:30:03 AM
      - re: Ansar al-Islam 101 just for you, tom - Puzzletop - 1/14/2005 6:03:14 PM
        
        Boy, that was special. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 10:35:19 PM

Infant mortality - the US isn't doing too well: CDC - LJ - 1/12/2005 5:25:26 PM
- The problem is that of differing standards. - David F Mayer - 1/13/2005 12:45:27 AM
  - And I am sure you don't want to look at Cuba's literacy rate... - Publius - 1/14/2005 10:00:03 PM
    - With your last sentence, I am in agreement. - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 10:19:32 PM
- Article dissected ... - Larry J - 1/12/2005 6:28:37 PM
  - The point is not so much - LJ - 1/12/2005 8:30:48 PM
    - re: The point is not so much - SDG - 1/12/2005 10:11:55 PM
      - Low birth weight has a high correlation with infant mortality - Larry J - 1/12/2005 10:42:16 PM
      - Medical costs - LJ - 1/12/2005 10:42:00 PM
        
        re: Medical costs - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 2:14:59 AM
        
        Medical equipment - origins - LJ - 1/13/2005 4:22:42 PM
        
        re: Medical equipment - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 6:50:13 PM
        
        The unit - LJ - 1/13/2005 10:41:28 PM
        
        P.S. - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 2:15:42 AM
      - R & D - LJ - 1/12/2005 10:28:12 PM
- Links - LJ - 1/12/2005 5:33:39 PM
  - I see NationMaster gets their data from the CIA factbook - just different years (n/t) - LJ - 1/12/2005 5:39:12 PM
- Statistics - Gary - 1/12/2005 5:32:51 PM
  - re: Statistics - LJ - 1/12/2005 6:05:35 PM
    - your table - SDG - 1/12/2005 7:19:26 PM

Liberal blogs were shills for Howard Dean - Gary - 1/14/2005 4:57:51 PM
- Ignoring for now that you probably wouldn't go near a liberal blog - tony - 1/14/2005 9:07:13 PM
- Not that big a deal. - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 5:49:45 PM

Bush Administration urges Americans not to focus on numbers in election. - Bowser - 1/13/2005 3:44:45 PM
- Another view... - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 4:17:25 PM
  - Agreed. NO one could say this was a legitimate election. - Bowser - 1/13/2005 5:27:46 PM
    - Yeah, but when you know the results in advance, printing the tee shirts is no problem... - Publius - 1/14/2005 2:52:31 PM
    - A lot more legitimate than the last one. - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 6:41:53 PM
      - Betcha Allawi doesn't get 99.999%.......no mandate! (n/t) - Tony - 1/13/2005 8:33:13 PM
      - Hint: Focus on numbers in an election. - Bowser - 1/13/2005 7:50:58 PM
        
        re: Hint: Focus - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2005 12:47:29 AM
        
        The question - how is this different that Eastern Europe under the Soviets. - Bowser - 1/14/2005 1:57:48 AM

Flu shot update - phil - 1/12/2005 11:48:18 PM
- re: Flu shot update - Fox - 1/14/2005 4:20:39 AM
- Getting harder to find folks who didn't already get the flu, around here (n/t) - alcaray - 1/13/2005 8:02:09 PM

A Cover-Up Is a Cover-Up - gbaikie - 1/14/2005 1:37:05 AM

This just in from the Left: al Qaeda not a threat. - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2005 2:32:25 AM
- I wonder what HE was smoking when he wrote that. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/12/2005 11:38:47 PM
- P.S. "Al Qaeda not a threat" is not the point of the article, neither is it mentioned (n/t) - Tony - 1/12/2005 5:52:09 PM
  - So, what do you think the point was? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 1:34:20 AM
    - Try this - tony - 1/13/2005 5:35:36 AM
      - Okay, so how about letting the Democrats know? - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 6:02:04 AM
        
        You know, it is possible to have different viewpoints - Tony - 1/13/2005 2:54:04 PM
        
        Not really a "new" viewpoint. - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 4:28:05 PM
        
        P.S. re: crisis - Tony - 1/13/2005 6:46:12 PM
        
        Bush and crisis mode - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 6:57:30 PM
        
        Believe it or not, I like that quote. - Tony - 1/13/2005 8:37:21 PM
        
        So you say. - Tony - 1/13/2005 5:03:23 PM
        
        My enumeration of Scheer's marbles is based on a lot more columns than this one. ;) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 4:18:53 PM
- Dick Cheney is Jewish? (n/t) - Tony - 1/12/2005 5:48:25 PM
- Hey! Neither is Zarqawi! - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2005 7:51:32 AM
  - Zarqawi is a myth. Al Qaeda is a myth. The World Trade Center was destroyed by fairies and elves. And a couple of ogres as well. - David F Mayer - 1/13/2005 12:14:00 AM

Is torture systematic, institutional, and national policy under Bush? - Bowser - 1/13/2005 1:03:28 PM
- Yes, it's true. (n/t) - Eric - 1/13/2005 3:14:19 PM
  - I think the neocons want to ignore this one. They've claimed otherwise. - Bowser - 1/13/2005 7:52:27 PM

First hand account from Sumatra - p - 1/13/2005 12:01:04 AM
- re: Excellent, p... but foreign forces now have until March 26th to aid in the effort. - Marcia - 1/13/2005 3:05:52 PM

Islamofascist Update: Assasination plot in Holland - p - 1/12/2005 11:51:34 PM
- Western Europeans had best wake up - ebnelson - 1/13/2005 6:39:26 AM
- U.S. Considers Elite Hit-Squads for Iraq -Report - post below (n/t) - Bowser - 1/13/2005 5:24:48 AM
  - Shooting murderers = Shooting innocent people - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 5:58:59 AM

Norman Podhoretz follow-up - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2005 3:51:58 AM

Search for WMD in Iraq ended: Effort folded shortly before Christmas - Donald - 1/12/2005 3:33:06 PM
- Link to Duelfer report - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2005 7:32:57 PM
- What about firings at the US Gov? - Jack Herer - 1/12/2005 6:25:13 PM
  - It's already happening at the CIA - Larry J - 1/12/2005 6:54:54 PM
    - Is it? - E.P. Grondine - 1/13/2005 12:25:50 AM
- o efing joy... - E.P. Grondine - 1/12/2005 3:51:11 PM
  - more efing joy... - E.P. Grondine - 1/12/2005 3:56:08 PM

An essential of guerilla warfare - support of the population - as seen by experts. - Bowser - 1/12/2005 5:14:51 AM
- Mao and Giap left out the intimidation and extortion of the population to force them into submission and support. - ebnelson - 1/12/2005 4:06:48 PM
- "Experts." What, the "Encyclopedia of Marxism??" Good frigging grief. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2005 5:46:05 AM
- Keep trying. I already blew your arguments out of the water twice. - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2005 5:43:18 AM
  - Your only hope is to define Iraq as something other than an insurgency or guerilla war. - Bowser - 1/12/2005 6:26:18 AM
    - Well, given what they found in Fallujah... - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2005 6:58:41 AM
      - When your point is demonstrated to be false, change the subject. Classic. - Bowser - 1/12/2005 1:10:41 PM
        
        Did not change subject. - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2005 7:39:22 PM

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