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Academic Diversity at Hahvid - Not! - p - 12/11/2004 2:11:07 AM

Bush's new Energy Sec - p - 12/11/2004 2:08:41 AM

Dish- interesting news - gbaikie - 12/10/2004 4:26:06 PM
- Obviously Wolfowitz is coaching them (n/t) - alcaray - 12/10/2004 5:14:52 PM
  - re: Obviously Wolfowitz is coaching them - gbaikie - 12/10/2004 7:28:40 PM
    - It was a joking example of partisan paranoia (see below for examples that are not jokes) (n/t) - alcaray - 12/10/2004 8:32:21 PM
      - Well, I thought it was funny - p - 12/11/2004 1:48:19 AM

Rumsfeld makes excuses for administration's incompetence - Donald - 12/9/2004 1:54:40 AM
- Rumsfeld makes invalid excuses for administration's incompetence - Publius - 12/10/2004 3:12:22 PM
- So is the armour adequate or not? - LJ - 12/9/2004 2:37:35 PM
  - re: Maybe, Maybe not. - Scott Evil - 12/9/2004 3:25:57 PM
    - If he was lying.......why the huge cheer? (n/t) - Tony - 12/9/2004 4:52:13 PM
      - It's been a real issue. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 5:44:19 PM
        
        Not trying to pick a fight (for once today), genuinely curious. - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:24:53 PM
        
        You know, now that you mention it... - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 9:13:55 PM
        
        Britain's civil war was about.... - Tony - 12/9/2004 9:42:40 PM
        
        "Breeding terrorists" myth - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 12:44:30 AM
        
        So sorry, thought terrorist was synonymous to insurgent to you guys... (n/t) - tony - 12/10/2004 3:58:21 AM
        
        Shouldn't be. - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 5:03:20 AM
        
        Plans going awry - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 12:33:03 AM
        
        That may be, but all things considered, Turkey probably best left out of it. (n/t) - tony - 12/10/2004 3:56:47 AM
        
        And Jordan, And Egypt, And Syria..... (n/t) - Publius - 12/10/2004 10:41:29 PM
        
        You could make a good case for that. - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 5:06:21 AM
        
        Sullivan says it better than me - Tony - 12/9/2004 6:29:22 PM
        
        Some articles on this. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 7:34:07 PM
        
        BTW - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:00:25 PM
        
        re: BTW - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 8:31:31 PM
        
        Rumsfeld's actual quote - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:42:56 PM
        
        "the army of desire" Good SF title. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/9/2004 9:58:06 PM
        
        Sounds more like Gore Vidal to me - but it's a great title (n/t) - Fox - 12/11/2004 12:28:16 AM
        
        That's the part that wins the hearts and minds - Tony - 12/9/2004 9:59:47 PM
        
        Gee, Tony, Don't you think poor ol' toms backside has had enough yet? - Davin L. - 12/9/2004 8:05:52 PM
        
        Not one bit - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:09:48 PM
        
        One last hint - Tony - 12/9/2004 7:50:57 PM
        
        "Arf" indeed. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 7:02:47 PM
        
        Arf Arf Arf. - Tony - 12/9/2004 7:35:55 PM
        
        Arf - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 7:56:53 PM
        
        Personally - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:07:32 PM
        
        re: Personally - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 8:27:02 PM
        
        The brilliant press - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:37:36 PM
        
        Actually... - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 9:24:08 PM
        
        Like I said - Tony - 12/9/2004 9:56:16 PM
        
        "inaccurate"? After you finished twisting what he said, parts of it do sound inaccurate. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/9/2004 7:17:30 PM
- Once again you prove your ignorance of military history - Larry J - 12/9/2004 2:28:16 PM
  - Hey, when you start the war you have only yourself to blame if you are not prepared. (n/t) - Publius - 12/10/2004 3:48:04 PM
    - Yeah, if the enemy would be so kind as to stick to our plans - Larry J - 12/10/2004 5:57:51 PM
  - Once again Larry uses his favorite line (n/t) - alcaray - 12/9/2004 4:52:38 PM
    - Too bad it's so true so often (n/t) - Larry J - 12/9/2004 7:28:15 PM
  - Exactly on point. - ebnelson - 12/9/2004 3:34:02 PM
  - But, but, but.... - Donald - 12/9/2004 3:03:16 PM
    - Once again... - Larry J - 12/9/2004 7:35:33 PM
    - re: But, but, but.... - ebnelson - 12/9/2004 3:28:21 PM
  - re: Once again you prove your ignorance of military history - LJ - 12/9/2004 2:39:39 PM
    - You improvise, you adapt, you overcome - Larry J - 12/9/2004 3:09:38 PM
      - IEDs - Tony - 12/9/2004 8:28:56 PM
        
        re: IEDs - Larry J - 12/9/2004 10:15:20 PM
        
        10, 5, 2, 1 - tony - 12/10/2004 1:51:41 AM
        
        Basic physics - Larry J - 12/10/2004 2:46:41 PM
      - Thanks for all the info - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 4:39:41 PM
    - Didn't you know? - Tony - 12/9/2004 3:04:10 PM
- Looking like another MSM soundbite attack. - ebnelson - 12/9/2004 1:04:51 PM
- Meanwhile: 1,276 - Donald - 12/9/2004 1:57:56 AM
  - And: Iraqis May Extend Election Amid Violence - Donald - 12/9/2004 2:10:15 AM
    - So eventually they get to vote.......... - Lindy - 12/9/2004 5:15:52 AM
      - re: They will never stop - Scott Evil - 12/9/2004 4:07:53 PM
        
        Solution to Silliness - Lindy - 12/9/2004 5:23:52 PM

Cape Cod - Soldier succumbs to BDS - phil - 12/10/2004 11:53:05 PM

Academia Update - phil - 12/10/2004 5:36:03 PM
- They ALL should have been shot, not pardonned. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/10/2004 8:10:00 PM
- Obviously, the Right are being oppressed in colleges and universities. - Mary Anne - 12/10/2004 6:17:21 PM
  - re: Obviously, the Right are being oppressed in colleges and universities. - phil - 12/10/2004 6:25:51 PM
    - So, it's democracy when the alumni holler, but not when the faculty does? - Mary Anne - 12/10/2004 6:38:22 PM
      - re: So, it's democracy when the alumni holler, but not when the faculty does? - gbaikie - 12/10/2004 7:47:54 PM

What is next for Iraq? - David F Mayer - 12/10/2004 8:07:22 PM

Homie Security Inspector General Fired - phil - 12/10/2004 6:34:57 PM

Canada gets it right......... - Publius - 12/10/2004 2:58:11 PM
- re: Canada gets it right......... - p - 12/10/2004 3:10:18 PM
  - The Moose is Loose? - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 4:49:08 PM
    - There's a Moose Loose aboot this hoose? (n/t) - Tony - 12/10/2004 5:39:57 PM
      - Chewing snoose! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 6:16:07 PM
  - Unlike, apparently, Sweden. (n/t) - ebnelson - 12/10/2004 3:45:35 PM
  - Funny that should come to your mind........... (n/t) - Publius - 12/10/2004 3:13:25 PM
    - Not really, lots of Canadians here in NE - p - 12/10/2004 3:53:01 PM

Sacked CIA official alleges retaliation for not faking WMD reports on Iraq - Eric - 12/10/2004 1:50:11 PM
- So what was wrong with the other threads on this exact same news story? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 4:43:02 PM
- The key word is "sacked". (n/t) - Gary - 12/10/2004 4:40:29 PM

When history is written. - Bowser - 12/9/2004 7:52:02 PM
- Credible? - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 8:01:23 PM
  - --Or--- - Gary - 12/10/2004 4:43:00 PM

New DOD briefing on the armor situation - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 11:56:34 PM
- These the same people who brought us the Tillman story? - Bowser - 12/10/2004 2:03:28 AM
  - It's all so easy when your criteria for credibility is that they agree with you. - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 2:14:08 AM
    - Actually Tom, it............ - Publius - 12/10/2004 3:24:35 PM
    - It's all so easy when your criteria for credibility is that they tell the truth. (n/t) - Bowser - 12/10/2004 6:28:57 AM
- An earlier story by Pitts (the reporter) on this subject - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 12:22:31 AM

Government: Evidence gained by torture allowed - Jack Herer - 12/9/2004 2:15:28 PM
- How reliable is evidence gained by torture, anyway? - LJ - 12/9/2004 2:57:33 PM
  - It could be very reliable. - Lee - 12/10/2004 7:14:29 AM

Whistleblower says Kerry won by 1.7 million votes - Lindy - 12/7/2004 6:09:40 AM
- Sorry, this won't go away.......... - Lindy - 12/8/2004 6:15:27 PM
  - You actually believed that crap? - R.L. - 12/9/2004 3:37:29 AM
  - If it is fraudulent, why don't the Democrats challenge the election in the courts? - David F Mayer - 12/8/2004 9:29:42 PM
  - re: won't go away.......... - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2004 7:00:23 PM
    - Small faded marbles? - Lindy - 12/9/2004 5:00:09 AM
      - Not really addressing my last statement, are you? - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 5:36:51 PM
        
        re: Not really addressing my last statement, are you? - Lindy - 12/9/2004 10:35:28 PM
        
        The critical counties didn't use Diebold machines. - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 12:46:54 AM
- Lindy, this is at least as credible as contrails and abductions. Thanks for the laughs. - ebnelson - 12/7/2004 8:08:43 PM
- Space aliens say Kerry won by 1.7 million votes (n/t) - p - 12/7/2004 7:35:40 PM
- Lindy, if this was a pile of crap it would have snow on the top of it. - Tom Brosz - 12/7/2004 4:53:45 PM
- P.S. You better act fast on impeachment. We're about to invade Iran. (n/t) - Scott Evil - 12/7/2004 3:17:49 PM
  - Invade Iran? - Lindy - 12/7/2004 4:00:57 PM
    - You said that the Iranian Nuke plant was going to be bombed in a few weeks- that was a few months ago - R.L. - 12/8/2004 10:00:09 PM
      - It was bombed. Mind control rays erased the incident from everybody's brain. - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2004 11:51:35 PM
        
        You're on top of your game tonight, Tom eh? - Lindy - 12/9/2004 4:56:23 AM
        
        You know whats really funny? - R.L. - 12/9/2004 5:16:58 AM
        
        surprise- the supreme intellectually honest person does not answer - R.L. - 12/10/2004 4:54:59 AM
        
        LOL of course! - R.L. - 12/9/2004 3:06:51 AM
- re: Whistleblower says Kerry won by 1.7 million votes - Publius - 12/7/2004 3:07:28 PM
  - Voting programmers confession - Jack Herer - 12/7/2004 4:26:23 PM
  - Diebold was never proven to have impeccable software - Lindy - 12/7/2004 4:12:18 PM
- Call Ted Kennedy and all your Democratic Senators and Demand an investigation and impeachment! (n/t) - Scott Evil - 12/7/2004 2:37:52 PM
  - Investigations are underway (n/t) - Lindy - 12/7/2004 4:13:08 PM
- The key phrase - Donald - 12/7/2004 1:44:27 PM
  - Is it even conceivable that Kerry and the Democrats would ignore major vote fraud that had cost them the election? My answer: ABSOLUTEY NOT! (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/7/2004 3:30:01 PM
- Funny how Kerry and the Democrats ignore the claims of massive vote fraud. The reason is simple: It did NOT happen. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/7/2004 7:00:31 AM

Nevada: 140 mph winds yesterday - Eric - 12/10/2004 1:25:22 AM

Soldier at press conference was coached by the press. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 5:34:16 PM
- Your use of the word "coached" is inappropriate here. - Lindy - 12/9/2004 10:40:26 PM
- Were the cheers coached as well? Or do you think they were added in post-production? - R.L. - 12/9/2004 10:06:47 PM
- PS - Davin L. - 12/9/2004 7:14:40 PM
- Sounds apocryphal to me. Porn for the right wing bloggers. I am sure it will get turned into a 'Known Fact' in a few days (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/9/2004 7:10:36 PM
- Not much of an issue - FrankC - 12/9/2004 6:56:37 PM
- And so it begins (n/t) - Tony - 12/9/2004 6:32:54 PM
  - re: And so what begins? - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 6:44:12 PM
    - The distraction begins - Tony - 12/9/2004 6:51:25 PM
      - re: The distraction begins - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 7:06:01 PM
        
        The point for me is that it's been known for quite a long time, and is still a problem. - Mary Anne - 12/9/2004 10:27:42 PM
        
        Members of the press. - Tom Brosz - 12/10/2004 12:27:33 AM
        
        No - Tony - 12/9/2004 7:19:09 PM
        
        and in your reserved, unbiased and critical mind- how the hell could it not be a weapon? Oh, I see. Not reporting it! Yes, thats clearly the only way the media can be unbiased. Not report the bad stu… (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/9/2004 7:13:02 PM
- Coached? Now there's some spin - LJ - 12/9/2004 5:45:21 PM
  - Give me a break. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 5:54:20 PM
    - Aw come on Tom.. - FrankC - 12/9/2004 7:12:38 PM
      - re: Aw come on - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 7:51:23 PM

Quagmire update - Jack Herer - 12/8/2004 5:16:16 PM
- re: Quagmire update - gbaikie - 12/8/2004 6:06:56 PM
  - "Canada has legalized drug use" - Really? Tell me more. - LJ - 12/8/2004 6:52:18 PM
    - re: "Canada has legalized drug use" - Really? Tell me more. - gbaikie - 12/8/2004 7:19:30 PM
      - Ever notice... - R.L. - 12/9/2004 8:15:14 AM
        
        re: Ever notice... - gbaikie - 12/9/2004 8:52:22 PM
        
        I should have been clearer - R.L. - 12/9/2004 10:10:35 PM
        
        Good poins - LJ - 12/9/2004 6:46:21 PM
      - re: "Canada has legalized drug use" - Really? Tell me more. - LJ - 12/8/2004 9:49:15 PM

Report: CIA chief paints bleak picture in Iraq - Donald - 12/8/2004 4:05:51 AM
- re: Report: CIA chief paints bleak picture in Iraq - Jack Herer - 12/8/2004 1:47:03 PM
- Their righteous indignation about "classified" doesn't extend to Valerie Plame, however. - Bowser - 12/8/2004 5:43:15 AM
  - "The thrust of the arguments is that the document was classified - nothing to the substance." - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2004 4:22:12 PM
- From "Scrappleface" - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2004 5:37:55 AM
  - I see, censorship is patriotic. I love the redefinition game! (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/8/2004 3:54:38 PM
    - Detailed military information has always been secret, in many places and at many times throughout history. Guess why? Duh. - David F Mayer - 12/8/2004 9:55:36 PM
      - David, this thread has nothing to do with secrecy. Criticism is the point at hand, and its place. Nice try to reduce it to a binary emotional issue, though. (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/9/2004 2:33:24 AM
    - re: The redefinition game - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2004 4:16:17 PM
      - There are two kinds of criticism: accurate and inaccurate - alcaray - 12/8/2004 7:29:22 PM
        
        re: criticism: accurate, inaccurate, and destructive. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 2:59:24 AM
        
        I agree that criticism concerning vanity is pointless and in bad taste - alcaray - 12/9/2004 5:51:36 PM
        
        The details are not the important part. I'm talking about motives, here. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 6:29:15 PM
        
        Why? - alcaray - 12/9/2004 7:13:05 PM
        
        Three words - Distraction, distraction, distraction (n/t) - Tony - 12/9/2004 7:52:02 PM
      - There is tear-down criticism and constructive criticism, granted - Tony - 12/8/2004 5:32:14 PM
- Bowser has a thread on this down below. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2004 5:19:17 AM

Inadequate vehicle armor for soldiers in Iraq - LJ - 12/8/2004 9:38:18 PM
- Also, in case anyone is interested, the rest of the conversation. - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2004 11:48:43 PM
  - re: Also, in case anyone is interested, the rest of the conversation. - LJ - 12/9/2004 2:49:22 PM
    - re: the rest of the conversation. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 4:36:30 PM
  - And the follow-up news conference... - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 12:22:20 AM
- What's happening with military armor - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2004 11:36:33 PM
  - So you (like Rumsfeld) think this is adequate? - alcaray - 12/9/2004 12:04:08 AM
    - Read the actual news conferences first. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 12:26:27 AM
      - I read every word. Also saw video last night. What is your point? (n/t) - alcaray - 12/9/2004 4:48:32 PM
      - You're asking a lot, Tom. - Larry J - 12/9/2004 1:06:43 AM
        
        Yeah, I've noticed. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2004 2:50:17 AM
- That is a REAL shame. You know that I am FOR continuing until the new government gets established. But, for heaven's sake, give our guys what they need to do it. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/8/2004 9:52:04 PM

US casualty figures in Iraq - something to think about - LJ - 12/9/2004 12:25:53 AM
- Combat medicine has been improving for over 100 years - Larry J - 12/9/2004 1:24:08 AM
  - re: Combat medicine has been improving for over 100 years - LJ - 12/9/2004 2:55:05 PM
    - re: Combat medicine has been improving for over 100 years - Larry J - 12/9/2004 3:16:18 PM
- re: US casualty figures in Iraq - something to think about - Eric - 12/9/2004 1:22:51 AM
  - re: I used to work for a company that built the cabs for the Humveys - Scott Evil - 12/9/2004 3:57:15 PM
  - Try reading the whole story, not just the predigested version - Larry J - 12/9/2004 1:28:47 AM

Coalition of the biilling - LJ - 12/8/2004 10:24:54 PM
- Maybe they remember who brought down the Iron Curtain. - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2004 11:28:38 PM
  - Huh? (n/t) - LJ - 12/9/2004 2:40:52 PM
- re: Coalition of the biilling - LJ - 12/8/2004 10:28:48 PM

1,275 - Donald - 12/7/2004 9:17:16 PM
- I think the "killed in combat" number has just hit 1,000. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/7/2004 10:25:51 PM
  - And that's 1000 mothers, 1000 fathers, etc. And the others are just as dead. (n/t) - Bowser - 12/8/2004 7:25:24 AM
    - Just as dead. - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2004 4:42:02 PM
      - I once heard a Navy guy talking about service on an aircraft carrier. He said that on every cruise, somebody gets killed. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/8/2004 9:50:33 PM

U.S.: Iraq rebels aided by sources in Syria - David F Mayer - 12/8/2004 9:48:20 PM

Homeland Security continues to be a joke - phil - 12/8/2004 8:17:17 PM
- re: Homeland Security continues to be a joke - LJ - 12/8/2004 9:44:11 PM

The falling greenback - LJ - 12/7/2004 10:47:19 PM
- re: The falling greenback - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2004 3:13:04 AM
  - Your scope is funky - alcaray - 12/8/2004 4:22:40 PM
    - further..... - Publius - 12/8/2004 6:43:34 PM
      - re: further..... - gbaikie - 12/8/2004 8:09:41 PM
- Remember the conservatives hereabouts... - alcaray - 12/7/2004 11:47:46 PM
  - re: Remember the conservatives hereabouts...You didn't - p - 12/8/2004 2:25:45 AM
    - We must be talking about different posts (n/t) - alcaray - 12/8/2004 4:17:57 PM
- also - Davin L. - 12/7/2004 11:22:08 PM

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