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"Rice tells Russia not to use energy as weapon" - Bowser - 10/22/2007 11:18:08 PM
- re: "What gives" - SteveS - 10/23/2007 11:40:53 PM

New governor in Louisiana - TB - 10/23/2007 3:25:09 AM
- re: New governor in Louisiana - SteveS - 10/23/2007 10:18:42 PM

Bush: "The US does not use torture" - Jack Herer - 10/23/2007 3:34:05 PM
- re: Bush: "The US does not use torture" - gbaikie - 10/23/2007 9:07:47 PM
- Imagine the mindset of those who still insist Bush doesn't lie. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/23/2007 5:10:15 PM

Breathtaking abuse of the Constitution in Arizona - azstrummer - 10/20/2007 7:08:07 PM
- We had a sheriff like this too. - ER - 10/21/2007 8:46:32 PM
- News Flash, you are not a moderate. - Lee - 10/21/2007 4:19:35 AM
  - So glad you cleared that up - azstrummer - 10/21/2007 5:20:47 PM
    - McCain is in the pocket of the illegal lobby. - Lee - 10/22/2007 7:38:01 PM
    - Jeez, Tom "associates" with Kos as much as anyone around here. (n/t) - alcaray - 10/22/2007 7:33:39 AM
      - Well, I don't write for it. - TB - 10/22/2007 4:09:48 PM
        
        Thank you - azstrummer - 10/22/2007 6:45:15 PM
- re: Breathtaking abuse of the Constitution in Arizona - TB - 10/21/2007 1:42:01 AM
  - "This looks like it's more about the prosecutor than it is about the sheriff." - azstrummer - 10/21/2007 5:53:50 PM
- The Dick Cheney of sheriffs. - Bowser - 10/21/2007 1:03:42 AM
- Go get 'em! - Eri - 10/20/2007 8:02:52 PM
  - What's been so frustrating - azstrummer - 10/20/2007 8:37:39 PM
    - It's possible for the very self-aware to resist the temptations of power - Eri - 10/20/2007 8:56:30 PM
      - Using the state - azstrummer - 10/20/2007 9:08:26 PM
        
        Election - Mary Anne - 10/21/2007 3:22:42 AM
        
        re: Election - azstrummer - 10/21/2007 5:08:50 PM
        
        The only game in town - Mary Anne - 10/21/2007 7:07:41 PM
        
        Figures. - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/22/2007 7:16:42 AM
        
        Actually Techie - azstrummer - 10/22/2007 7:12:41 PM
        
        re: Actually Techie - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/22/2007 10:27:47 PM
        
        re: The only game in town - azstrummer - 10/21/2007 9:35:19 PM
        
        I thought heartless liberal was an oxymoron (n/t) - Eri - 10/21/2007 9:58:37 PM
        
        The biggest heart - azstrummer - 10/21/2007 10:26:08 PM
        
        I won't disagree - Eri - 10/22/2007 2:06:31 AM

Bush asks for $46 billion more for unending wars. Nothing for our kids! - Eric - 10/22/2007 8:11:06 PM
- Your kids will get to live in a world with only tiny fringes of Islamo-facism (n/t) - TAFKASE - 10/22/2007 9:01:33 PM

Bush rhetoric moves war with Iran to near certainty. - Bowser - 10/22/2007 2:10:08 AM
- Been a "near certainty" for a year or so, now. - TB - 10/22/2007 3:58:32 PM
  - Preparing the country for war. - Bowser - 10/22/2007 5:50:29 PM
  - re: Been a "near certainty" for a year or so, now. - Andrew - 10/22/2007 5:28:28 PM
    - If Iran gets the bomb, it will be the Isreali's who strike first. - TAFKASE - 10/22/2007 7:09:52 PM
    - re: Been a "near certainty" for a year or so, now. - TB - 10/22/2007 5:36:38 PM
      - re: Been a "near certainty" for a year or so, now. - azstrummer - 10/22/2007 7:51:20 PM
        
        They decided to go to war in Iraq 2 years before the invasion. - Bowser - 10/22/2007 8:33:07 PM
      - Only the left? Does the phrase "Faster, please" ring a bell? (n/t) - Tony - 10/22/2007 6:43:39 PM
- "Showdown With Iran" on Frontline - ds - 10/22/2007 3:03:00 AM

The other quagmire - 6 (six) years of war in Afghanistan - Bowser - 10/22/2007 5:14:52 PM
- Meanwhile, Bin Ladin releases a video begging the people of Iraq to reconsider their hatred of Al Queida - TAFKASE - 10/22/2007 7:03:43 PM

No way to land large fast payloads on Mars - E.P. - 10/20/2007 4:02:19 PM
- Why didn't this go on the Space board? (n/t) - azstrummer - 10/21/2007 5:54:28 PM
  - A copy of it is there, too, w/ discussion. - Fox - 10/22/2007 5:41:15 PM
- re: No way to land large fast payloads on Mars - azstrummer - 10/21/2007 5:28:53 PM
- re: No way to land large fast payloads on Mars - Noah - 10/21/2007 2:51:19 PM

Well, another correct prediction - "Money gone, Iraqi refugees forced to go home" - Bowser - 10/21/2007 4:14:35 AM

Cameras, Crooks, and Deterrence - gbaikie - 10/17/2007 8:29:31 PM
- "Leniency to evil coupled with authoritarianism.....that is the Left" - Lindy - 10/20/2007 4:55:44 AM
- Numbers don't add up... - nick hoffman - 10/18/2007 2:55:02 PM
  - I imagine most camera footage is never viewed at all. - ER - 10/18/2007 3:43:35 PM
    - re: I imagine most camera footage is never viewed at all. - azstrummer - 10/18/2007 4:28:10 PM
- And yet unconstitutional surveillance doesn't bother the neo-cons. - Bowser - 10/18/2007 4:14:10 AM
- re: Cameras, Crooks, and Deterrence - ER - 10/18/2007 3:25:14 AM
  - The romance of surveillance. People are generally boring. - Bowser - 10/19/2007 1:04:28 AM
  - "No one will be watching us... why don't we do it in the road?" (n/t) - Fox - 10/18/2007 5:21:45 PM
    - "Touche. The best contribution yet to this thread." (n/t) - ER - 10/19/2007 12:08:03 AM
  - re: Cameras, Crooks, and Deterrence - gbaikie - 10/18/2007 7:51:22 AM
  - re: Cameras, Crooks, and Deterrence - TB - 10/18/2007 4:21:51 AM
    - re: Cameras, Crooks, and Deterrence - ER - 10/18/2007 1:24:53 PM
- Because American conservatives are so concerned about our right to privacy... - alcaray - 10/18/2007 1:58:01 AM
  - re: Because American conservatives are so concerned about our right to privacy... - TB - 10/18/2007 3:08:54 AM
    - You want to talk about whether it was conservatives or liberals who thought it was a good idea... - alcaray - 10/18/2007 5:34:36 AM
      - I don't know. Are there many cities where that is being done? - TB - 10/18/2007 5:06:16 PM
        
        We debated it here. - alcaray - 10/18/2007 10:18:16 PM
- Should be on Flame (n/t) - Lindy - 10/18/2007 1:45:21 AM
  - They don't know any better, Lindy. - Bowser - 10/18/2007 4:18:42 AM
- "Leniency to evil coupled with authoritarianism- in brief summary, that is the Left." - azstrummer - 10/17/2007 8:40:34 PM
  - Oddly, I don't see it that way... - nick hoffman - 10/18/2007 3:58:54 PM
    - re: Oddly, I don't see it that way... - azstrummer - 10/18/2007 4:26:49 PM
      - I agree with Nick - Fox, intentionally NOT moderating - 10/18/2007 5:17:12 PM
        
        Hadn't seen the bylaws - azstrummer - 10/18/2007 8:38:31 PM
        
        re: Hadn't seen the bylaws - gbaikie - 10/19/2007 12:57:03 AM
        
        "The Left" includes anti-evolutionists and anti-stem cell advocates? - alcaray - 10/19/2007 6:55:03 AM
        
        re: "The Left" includes anti-evolutionists and anti-stem cell advocates? - gbaikie - 10/19/2007 10:50:07 PM
        
        "Give me liberty or give me death" - azstrummer - 10/20/2007 8:57:28 PM
        
        re: "Give me liberty or give me death" - gbaikie - 10/21/2007 1:15:49 AM
        
        Ah, the retreat to fantasy. Why do I bother? (n/t) - alcaray - 10/20/2007 1:01:00 AM
  - re: "Leniency to evil coupled with authoritarianism- in brief summary, that is the Left." - gbaikie - 10/18/2007 12:51:28 AM
  - No big deal, Geoff ambushed me once on the Space board. - ER - 10/17/2007 11:54:46 PM
    - re: No big deal, Geoff ambushed me once on the Space board. - gbaikie - 10/18/2007 1:42:29 AM
      - I couldn't have expressed it better myself. - ER - 10/18/2007 2:18:23 AM
        
        re: I couldn't have expressed it better myself. - gbaikie - 10/18/2007 6:20:37 AM
        
        ER called you strident? The nerve of that guy. (n/t) - alcaray - 10/18/2007 7:40:00 AM
        
        c'mon... - SDAI-Tech1 - 10/18/2007 3:19:32 AM
        
        and if you'll notice - azstrummer - 10/18/2007 2:45:40 PM
        
        re: c'mon... - ER - 10/18/2007 3:52:56 AM
        
        Well, at least that explains why the mirror is fogged. (n/t) - TB - 10/18/2007 4:23:05 AM
        
        Do you accuse me of employing smoke and mirrors, Monsieur? (n/t) - ER - 10/18/2007 1:34:14 PM

Meanwhile, back at the ranch - "Ex-top envoy calls Iraqi government a failure" - Bowser - 10/20/2007 12:29:09 AM
- Bad Bowser.......bad - Lindy - 10/20/2007 4:41:07 AM
  - Lessee. 170,000 US paid mercenaries in Iraq. - Bowser - 10/20/2007 4:57:38 AM
    - and Pelosi killed the Iraq surtax on the wealthy in a heartbeat - E.P. - 10/20/2007 3:39:56 PM
      - Powell won't run, Dean can't get elected (n/t) - Eri - 10/20/2007 4:54:55 PM
    - Interesting statistics - Lindy - 10/20/2007 2:28:55 PM

When the meeting is over - E.P. - 10/20/2007 4:52:32 PM

Ok who hee keeps bidding up the price of the Harry Reid Smear letter? - TAFKASE - 10/19/2007 1:31:57 PM
- Hope the bidding keeps going up so he has to match $5 million at least! - Eri - 10/20/2007 5:30:23 AM
- Seen Harry Reid trying to jump in front of the parade? - TB - 10/19/2007 4:44:38 PM
  - reid is trying to appear as if he has apologized for lying about Limbaugh's statements - TAFKASE - 10/19/2007 4:50:47 PM
- I'd almost bet ya 2.1m that the bid is fake..... (n/t) - Tony - 10/19/2007 1:47:48 PM
  - Nope. - TB - 10/19/2007 5:18:02 PM

Another setback for Cape Wind Project - TB - 10/19/2007 7:49:34 PM

First Taliban/al Qaeda assassination attempt on Bhutto fails in Pakistan - TB - 10/18/2007 9:22:48 PM
- And now, finally, the response? - TB - 10/19/2007 5:03:31 AM
  - It will go better for Pakestan this time... - TAFKASE - 10/19/2007 1:39:05 PM
    - Maybe. - TB - 10/19/2007 4:46:07 PM
      - Do you think that the recent success in Iraq has shown the Pakestani leadership that there is another way? - TAFKASE - 10/19/2007 4:53:36 PM
        
        Behind 100 to 3, and doing a sack dance? Silly. (n/t) - Bowser - 10/19/2007 7:23:54 PM
        
        I doubt it. - TB - 10/19/2007 6:20:51 PM
- "Blind Hog May Have Found Acorn" - you might be right. - Bowser - 10/19/2007 2:24:05 AM
- Hit 'em early and often, but more likely Musharref and Bush. - Bowser - 10/19/2007 12:08:02 AM
  - You know, I saw that response coming clear down Broadway. - TB - 10/19/2007 1:56:47 AM
    - You've trained me well. - Bowser - 10/19/2007 2:43:18 AM
      - Pakistan - TB - 10/19/2007 2:58:42 AM

"IMF says dollar "overvalued'" - Bowser - 10/18/2007 1:52:55 AM
- Parity with the "Pacific Peso"? - nick hoffman - 10/18/2007 2:22:45 PM
  - the Austrailian's run an unending trade deficit also... - TAFKASE - 10/18/2007 2:59:10 PM

The Man Who Knew Too Much - azstrummer - 10/16/2007 2:58:24 PM
- Why am I not surprised? - Lindy - 10/18/2007 1:52:37 AM
- Lockheed-Martin has built 24 F-16's for Pakistan. (n/t) - Jody - 10/17/2007 2:05:00 AM
- Pakistan got the bomb in the 1990's. - Lee - 10/16/2007 9:04:31 PM
  - re: Pakistan got the bomb in the 1990's. - TB - 10/16/2007 11:59:23 PM
    - Brainstorming - azstrummer - 10/17/2007 3:28:16 PM
    - in 20 years, the same loons will be blaming the Bush administration for giving Iran Bomb technology... - TAFKASE - 10/17/2007 1:44:33 PM
      - Not the vast right wing conspiracy - azstrummer - 10/17/2007 3:32:33 PM

The Bush Legacy - Donald - 10/17/2007 1:30:23 AM
- The Bush Legacy: losing 2 wars he started and not catching those responsible for 9/11 (n/t) - Raoul - 10/17/2007 9:07:24 AM
  - re: not catching those responsible for 9/11 - TB - 10/17/2007 3:43:46 PM
- Yesterday's headline - "Al-Qaida in Iraq reported crippled" - Bowser - 10/17/2007 3:22:38 AM
  - Never seen anyone pull more out of one line in an article. (n/t) - TB - 10/17/2007 3:35:25 AM
    - And now, the Negative Spin Award of the Week - TB - 10/17/2007 4:00:52 AM
      - Quantity - azstrummer - 10/17/2007 7:18:06 PM
        
        re: Quantity - TB - 10/17/2007 10:57:52 PM

"If there was a missing nuclear weapon from the B-52 incident, then TOPOFF and Vigilant Shield could provide the cover for its use" - Vigilant Shield - 10/17/2007 1:46:33 AM
- A missing nuclear weapon from the B-52 incident? - Enquiring Minds want to know - 10/17/2007 1:49:25 AM
  - Perhaps this is why Robert Gates....... - Citizen Kane - 10/17/2007 2:10:05 PM
  - re: A missing nuclear weapon from the B-52 incident? - B-52 - 10/17/2007 3:47:03 AM
    - Can we ease up a bit on the fake handles? (n/t) - TB - 10/17/2007 3:25:14 PM
      - Motion Seconded (n/t) - Eri - 10/17/2007 10:38:41 PM
    - "Some say a terrorist event,authentic or staged - Jody - 10/17/2007 12:54:47 PM
      - Paranoia strikes deep - Fox - 10/17/2007 5:39:52 PM
        
        IMO - Eri - 10/17/2007 10:37:04 PM
        
        Stooges in Chief???...ROTFLMAO (n/t) - Jody - 10/17/2007 7:05:37 PM

Black women and the candidates - TB - 10/15/2007 3:23:02 PM
- Obama vs Clinton stereotypical analysis - ER - 10/15/2007 5:45:09 PM
  - re: analysis - TB - 10/15/2007 6:00:54 PM
    - " Black people, for example, need to look around and ask just what the Democratic Party has actually DONE for them lately?" - azstrummer - 10/16/2007 10:30:48 PM
      - Power - TB - 10/16/2007 11:32:21 PM
        
        Understanding me - azstrummer - 10/17/2007 8:33:06 PM
        
        Break out the world's smallest violin for the Democrats - TB - 10/17/2007 9:21:35 PM
    - "The reason Republicans lost in 2006 was because many of them weren't really Republicans any more." - Bowser - 10/16/2007 1:41:04 AM
      - "Repudiated" works. - TB - 10/16/2007 2:55:57 AM
        
        "Anybody telling you it was about Iraq, or even Bush, is lying to you." - Bowser - 10/16/2007 10:46:48 PM
        
        I have data. All you have is belief. (n/t) - TB - 10/16/2007 11:17:13 PM
    - re: analysis - ER - 10/15/2007 7:15:00 PM

Hey, Cheney said Iraq is mine! "Bush urges Turkey against Iraq incursion." - Bowser - 10/17/2007 6:31:13 PM

In Hillary Clinton's New York some students apparently get a teacher to student ratio of greater than 1.0!!! - TAFKASE - 10/17/2007 2:15:05 PM

I knew it... Obama is Evil. - Ima Liberal - 10/17/2007 1:48:40 PM

Economic factoid of the day... - TB - 10/15/2007 6:09:39 PM
- 10-fold increase isn't too bad but 20 years is a long time. (n/t) - Un_Epi_De_Mais - 10/16/2007 1:24:18 PM
  - re: 10-fold increase - TB - 10/16/2007 4:14:25 PM
    - But with a 20-year payoff period, you only get one try. - Un_Epi_De_Mais - 10/16/2007 5:17:41 PM
      - So where else can you put the cash? - TB - 10/16/2007 5:45:34 PM
        
        There was a point I was trying to make but I can't remember what it was. - Un_Epi_De_Mais - 10/17/2007 12:50:19 AM

I heard the news today, oh boy..." - ER - 10/16/2007 11:58:16 PM

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