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U.S. Scientists Say They Are Told to Alter Findings - Eric - 2/12/2005 2:21:49 PM
- An interesting contrast... - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 9:07:00 PM
- My wife was a federal grain inspector. - David F Mayer - 2/13/2005 1:48:22 AM
  - But did the explosion kill the person who orderred her to lie? - E.P. Grondine - 2/15/2005 4:04:46 PM
    - re: explosion - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 4:52:38 PM
  - Federal inspectors - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 2:03:04 AM
    - "Trust me, I'm a doctor." (n/t) - alcaray - 2/14/2005 6:18:02 PM
      - re: "Trust me, I'm a federal grain inspector" - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 6:58:38 PM
        
        I think the logical outcome of your argument - alcaray - 2/14/2005 10:13:21 PM
        
        Interesting... - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 11:02:50 PM
        
        if you stop thinking in absolutes, you may come to understand (n/t) - tony - 2/15/2005 1:57:44 AM
        
        Wild mischaracterization! - alcaray - 2/14/2005 11:45:27 PM
        
        Go back and read your quote again. - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 12:08:46 AM
        
        You read it right: now how does that imply criminality? (n/t) - alcaray - 2/15/2005 4:30:15 PM
        
        re: Go back and read your quote again. - gbaikie - 2/15/2005 2:35:50 AM
        
        Or (trying vainly to snap you back to the discussion the rest of us are having)... - alcaray - 2/15/2005 4:40:00 PM
        
        Take a look at your examples... - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 4:50:57 PM
        
        re "How many of them are taking advantage of the government's power to interfere in economic activity to maintain their positions? " - alcaray - 2/15/2005 5:51:10 PM
        
        ADM - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 6:59:00 PM
        
        re: ADM - alcaray - 2/15/2005 7:30:11 PM
        
        re: ADM - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 9:59:51 PM
        
        More reading on ethanol in there than I want to do - alcaray - 2/15/2005 10:27:38 PM
        
        I showed you just one example of the consequences of a mixed economy - Tom Brosz - 2/16/2005 1:37:33 AM
        
        Yes, that is what you wanted to talk about. (n/t) - alcaray - 2/16/2005 7:46:45 PM
    - Please explain. Your comment went right by me. (n/t) - DFM - 2/13/2005 3:06:09 AM
      - Leave It To The Private Sector Is Tom's Mantra - Mark Eby - 2/13/2005 5:04:50 AM
        
        re: Leave it to the private sector whenever possible is Tom's mantra - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 7:13:35 AM
        
        Yes, and the private "inspectors" will be greased and nothing will change. - David F Mayer - 2/13/2005 7:34:42 PM
        
        You're not actually listening, are you? - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 8:44:49 PM
        
        This is pretty much hogwash - alcaray - 2/15/2005 10:35:43 PM
        
        "competetive businessmen" is to Tom, as UN is to a liberal. :-D (n/t) - tony - 2/14/2005 4:41:36 AM
        
        I've got a hell of a lot more evidence backing my position than the liberal has backing his. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 5:45:40 AM
        
        and both sides need to ignore a mountain-load of evidence to the contrary (n/t) - Tony - 2/14/2005 4:40:40 PM
        
        After 25 years in private enterprise, - David F Mayer - 2/13/2005 9:36:12 PM
        
        Very naive - Donald - 2/13/2005 3:44:54 PM
        
        The operation of the free market IS public policy. - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 4:42:19 PM
        
        Indeed it is... - Donald - 2/13/2005 5:13:28 PM
        
        Corruption - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 8:52:49 PM
        
        Its not hard to grasp - Donald - 2/13/2005 10:05:14 PM
        
        P.S. - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 4:15:15 AM
        
        re: Its not hard to grasp - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 2:54:38 AM
        
        Apply The Power Corrupts Reasoning All The Way Through The System (n/t) - Mark Eby - 2/13/2005 3:29:16 PM
        
        The key is decentralization - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 4:43:54 PM
        
        Apply That Too - Mark Eby - 2/13/2005 6:05:20 PM
        
        Monopolies - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 9:02:20 PM
        
        When I can get cable service from another company than Charter... - alcaray - 2/14/2005 6:20:26 PM
        
        Geez, where are you located? - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 7:06:49 PM
        
        I don't really want dish service. - alcaray - 2/14/2005 10:24:47 PM
        
        re: I don't really want dish service. - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 11:15:38 PM
        
        I see how you have divined my evil plan! - alcaray - 2/14/2005 11:59:02 PM
        
        Guess Youy've Missed All The Recent Merger News (n/t) - Mark Eby - 2/13/2005 9:16:01 PM
- The actual survey documents... - Tom Brosz - 2/12/2005 8:43:01 PM
- Not surprising - Donald - 2/12/2005 3:27:14 PM
  - Try To Regain Your Credibility - Mark Eby - 2/12/2005 8:10:53 PM
    - Credibility - Donald - 2/12/2005 10:02:07 PM
      - I Agree, But You Didn't Address My Counter Points - Mark Eby - 2/13/2005 12:41:28 AM
        
        That's because... - Donald - 2/13/2005 4:12:50 PM
        
        A Repitition Of The Same Errors - Mark Eby - 2/13/2005 6:15:23 PM
        
        re:Contradictions - Raoul - 2/13/2005 7:22:29 PM
        
        Stated bipartisan US policy towards Iraq since 1998 was regime change. - ebnelson - 2/14/2005 3:47:28 AM
        
        More European Selective Memory Syndrome I See - Mark Eby - 2/13/2005 9:14:59 PM
        
        re: Believing and acting are two totally different things - Raoul - 2/14/2005 6:42:02 AM
        
        re: Believing and acting are two totally different things - gbaikie - 2/15/2005 1:52:45 AM
        
        re: A Repitition Of The Same Errors - Donald - 2/13/2005 7:22:20 PM
        
        You Made Numerous False Statements Don - Mark Eby - 2/13/2005 9:24:44 PM

Stupid Ideas from California Legislature, #3,421 in a series... - Tom Brosz - 2/16/2005 1:09:41 AM
- Why not just increase gasoline tax? - David F Mayer - 2/16/2005 5:46:05 PM
- re: Stupid Ideas from California Legislature, #3,421 in a series... - Doug Ellison - 2/16/2005 12:00:18 PM
  - Maybe the article didn't really clarify the problem - Tom Brosz - 2/16/2005 6:00:27 PM
  - But you are forgetting the most important thing. - David F Mayer - 2/16/2005 5:47:22 PM

1,462 - Donald - 2/15/2005 3:01:44 AM
- Bodies of Four US Soldiers Retrieved from Iraqi River - Jack Herer - 2/16/2005 4:02:03 PM
- Three of them in a road accident. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 4:40:56 AM
  - Don't count? Not really dead? What's the point? (n/t) - Bowser - 2/15/2005 6:54:53 AM
    - re: The point - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 4:39:54 PM

Now for a funny one - "GOP report: Dangers of mercury overstated" - Bowser - 2/16/2005 3:53:14 AM
- Mercury's millions of miles away, what danger could it pose? - McFly - 2/16/2005 2:47:12 PM
- re: Dangers of mercury overstated - Tom Brosz - 2/16/2005 5:15:13 AM
- Try actually reading the report. - ebnelson - 2/16/2005 4:59:33 AM

Competition for government oversight? - Tom Brosz - 2/16/2005 6:23:25 AM

Iraq Vote Not What Bush Bargained For - Donald - 2/14/2005 2:35:51 PM
- Hogwash reporting - SteveS - 2/15/2005 6:27:48 PM
- Wrong! - David F Mayer - 2/14/2005 6:50:43 PM
- No group has a clear majority, and the Shiites are negotiating in good faith, so far. - ebnelson - 2/14/2005 5:43:40 PM
- But I thought you and Bowser said it was going to be a fake election to rubber stamp the US puppet? - Buck Galaxy - 2/14/2005 5:06:57 PM
  - Aren't you watching? - Bowser - 2/15/2005 1:18:40 AM
    - Yes I am, closely. - Buck Galaxy - 2/15/2005 6:29:34 PM
    - Name one candidate who was arrested and tortured. (n/t) - ebnelson - 2/15/2005 5:18:40 AM
      - I thought you just made it up. Thanks for the confirmation. (n/t) - ebnelson - 2/16/2005 5:00:59 AM
- Recommendation: - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 4:52:59 PM
  - "Start paying more attention to what Iraqis" - As you did Chalabi, for instance? - Bowser - 2/14/2005 8:35:09 PM
    - Yes, of course for some only bad news is true news. (n/t) - ebnelson - 2/14/2005 10:07:03 PM
  - You beat me to it - Gary - 2/14/2005 5:03:48 PM
    - I'm too busy giggling - Tony - 2/14/2005 7:39:55 PM
- So are you implying that Iraqi dictatorship was more palatable to you?...Hey! You didn't get what you wanted in your Nov. election. (n/t) - Jacob Samorodin - 2/14/2005 2:45:28 PM
  - No... - Donald - 2/14/2005 3:13:22 PM
    - re: No... - gbaikie - 2/14/2005 7:40:03 PM

The entire defense, security and political leadership of the US now advocate torture. - Bowser - 2/16/2005 2:30:26 AM
- Why do you keep spamming that lie? - ebnelson - 2/16/2005 4:56:39 AM

All this in the name of freedom, liberty and democracy. More "hearts and minds". - Bowser - 2/16/2005 3:37:07 AM

Missile shield test fizzles out - Bowser - 2/14/2005 8:29:55 PM
- More evidence that the anti-missile shield is useless. - David F Mayer - 2/15/2005 12:12:57 AM
  - Tell ya what... - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 12:50:10 AM
    - The results will be exactly the same, only cheaper. - David F Mayer - 2/15/2005 3:20:08 AM
      - Slow down. - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 4:37:11 AM
        
        I am. - David F Mayer - 2/15/2005 5:11:53 PM
        
        Testing - Tony - 2/15/2005 5:55:50 PM
        
        Ah, but it did NOT fail in use. - David F Mayer - 2/15/2005 6:32:15 PM
        
        Multiple missiles - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 6:50:43 PM
        
        Fine. - David F Mayer - 2/15/2005 11:30:41 PM
    - The same thing that would happen with the missile "shield". - Bowser - 2/15/2005 1:21:01 AM
      - NOTHING! That's what. - David F Mayer - 2/15/2005 3:23:55 AM
        
        If we used your standard for military testing... - Larry J - 2/15/2005 5:24:36 PM
        
        A discipline that has proven unreliable. - David F Mayer - 2/15/2005 6:36:43 PM

Iraqi election results - gbaikie - 2/13/2005 2:16:25 PM
- More on the results - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 5:44:38 AM
- Where is the dog? - gbaikie - 2/14/2005 2:31:25 AM
  - What do you get when you paint a turd? Nope - - - - Bowser - 2/14/2005 3:14:18 AM
    - re: What do you get when you paint a turd? Eating offal again? - ebnelson - 2/14/2005 3:42:44 AM
      - Any idea as to how sick your post is, eb? (n/t) - Bowser - 2/15/2005 6:54:01 AM
        
        You deliver it, spread it and eat it. I would say 'out of your own mouth', but that is a bit disgusting, Bowser. - ebnelson - 2/15/2005 3:14:37 PM
        
        GO TO FLAME! - Davin :. - 2/15/2005 3:30:37 PM
        
        Just as soon not have this discussion on Flame, either. Ewww. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 4:41:50 PM

Neo-Nazis complain about Dresden bombing - David F Mayer - 2/13/2005 3:59:35 PM
- Dresden bombing is certainly a protestable event - alcaray - 2/14/2005 6:08:57 PM
- My politically incorrect suggestion... - Donald - 2/13/2005 4:34:40 PM
  - Unclear from history - Gary - 2/13/2005 6:39:37 PM
    - Why am I not surprised? - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/13/2005 11:30:34 PM
      - Guilt by association - Tony - 2/14/2005 7:36:37 PM
        
        Nice try. - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/14/2005 11:38:06 PM
        
        Nice revision - Tony - 2/15/2005 3:36:20 PM
      - re: Why am I not surprised? - Donald - 2/14/2005 3:55:56 AM
        
        And by the way... - Donald - 2/14/2005 4:11:05 AM
        
        re: And by the way... - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 4:27:58 AM
        
        re: And by the way... - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 4:27:56 AM
        
        Whoa...twitchy finger on the mouse. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 4:30:28 AM
      - Sorry Gary, this was meant to be under Don's post (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/13/2005 11:31:59 PM
        
        No worries. I've made the same mistake. (n/t) - Gary - 2/14/2005 12:36:46 AM

Judge Dismisses Recall in Washington - Donald - 2/15/2005 2:59:32 AM
- So the democrats got away with ballot box stuffing - ebnelson - 2/15/2005 5:16:43 AM
  - Never one to let truth get in the way of your dementia, Huh Ed! - Chris Vancil - 2/15/2005 7:41:55 AM
    - Truth is a stranger to you. As is history. (n/t) - ebnelson - 2/15/2005 3:11:39 PM
  - Uh...Ed - Donald - 2/15/2005 5:18:48 AM
- re: Judge Dismisses Recall in Washington - Tom Brosz - 2/15/2005 4:00:44 AM
  - re: Judge Dismisses Recall in Washington - Donald - 2/15/2005 5:17:36 AM

So what were the rules before? - Tom Brosz - 2/11/2005 5:46:38 AM
- Old rules: "Rape but don't make any bad publicity." - David F Mayer - 2/15/2005 3:26:18 AM
- Old rules: "Rape but don't make any bad publicity." - David F Mayer - 2/15/2005 3:26:16 AM

Just a few bad apples, nothing to see here - Tony - 2/14/2005 8:43:44 PM

Democracy rears its ugly head in Iraq! - David F Mayer - 2/14/2005 6:48:21 PM

Terrorists murder former Lebanese Prime Minister - David F Mayer - 2/14/2005 3:19:28 PM
- That's a weird one. - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 4:30:41 PM
  - The BBC seemd to think so this early AM, as well. - ebnelson - 2/14/2005 5:44:43 PM
- Very likely a hit by the Syrian government - ebnelson - 2/14/2005 3:23:31 PM

Concern deepened after Rock claimed only gays watch the Oscars! - gbaikie - 2/14/2005 10:14:43 AM
- Sounds like someone is trying to boost the ratings... - Larry J - 2/14/2005 5:43:24 PM

Gasp! Intelligence drones watching Iran! - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 1:56:40 AM
- Is the intelligence actionable? - Gary - 2/13/2005 7:04:47 PM
  - Until you have the intelligence, you don't know. - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 8:38:17 PM
    - The key here is to support the opposition. - David F Mayer - 2/14/2005 7:50:42 AM
      - Total agreement here - Gary - 2/14/2005 4:58:00 PM
  - "Nothing short of an earth penetrator nuke can take out those facilities." - David F Mayer - 2/13/2005 7:32:29 PM
    - You're assuming air superiority and long loiter time over the targe - Gary - 2/13/2005 10:36:18 PM
      - Not quite: - David F Mayer - 2/14/2005 7:56:20 AM
- THANKS FOR THE 'HEADS UP'!!! - Abdullah Hassan - 2/13/2005 3:21:17 AM
  - I'd love to think as many people are reading my stuff as are reading Drudge... - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 6:49:37 AM
- re: Intelligence drones watching Iran - Fox - 2/13/2005 2:26:02 AM
  - re: Intelligence drones watching Iran - gbaikie - 2/13/2005 11:13:12 AM
  - I will grant that Drudge isn't much help either. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 2:27:45 AM

Lasers warn pilots of restricted airspace - Eric - 2/14/2005 2:55:13 PM

Pakistan - Hans - 2/14/2005 10:34:26 AM

Another barrier falls in Arabia - David F Mayer - 2/14/2005 8:27:01 AM

Good News From Iraq, Part 21 - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 5:54:31 AM

Social Security - Tom Brosz - 2/14/2005 5:26:20 AM

1,460 - Donald - 2/13/2005 10:47:00 PM

Socialized medicine - Tom Brosz - 2/11/2005 6:33:10 AM
- Couldn't read the article - Larry J - 2/11/2005 7:41:09 PM
  - Let's just say.... - FrankC - 2/12/2005 9:22:17 PM
  - No. I can't. - Tom Brosz - 2/11/2005 7:44:31 PM
- Medical costs are going up so rapidly that - David F Mayer - 2/11/2005 6:20:27 PM
  - Hey, it is one of the miracles of the market place...... - Publius - 2/12/2005 5:27:48 PM
    - It is a miracle of UNCONTROLLED HUMAN GREED. - David F Mayer - 2/13/2005 1:57:39 AM
    - Sources... - Tom Brosz - 2/12/2005 9:51:12 PM
      - There is a difference between production cost and total cost. - David F Mayer - 2/13/2005 1:55:45 AM
        
        re: production cost and total cost. - Tom Brosz - 2/13/2005 2:05:44 AM
        
        My guess is this, and it is ONLY a guess. - David F Mayer - 2/13/2005 3:13:41 AM
        
        Most Organic Chemicals Cost (Sale price) between $0.4 and $40 per POUND - Mark Eby - 2/13/2005 4:06:01 PM
        
        Medicines may cost somewhat more, - David F Mayer - 2/13/2005 7:48:47 PM
        
        Incubation time and cost for the biotech industy - Gary - 2/13/2005 5:45:02 PM
- The otherside of the coin is? - Jacob Samorodin - 2/11/2005 5:45:55 PM

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