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The war on terrorism - Odin - 1/22/2004 4:17:19 AM
- Dr. Dean, go take your meds - ebnelson - 1/22/2004 4:45:33 AM
  - And then we're going to Michigan . . . - Odin - 1/22/2004 4:51:37 AM
    - It was like watching somebody who should never be near power (n/t) - ebnelson - 1/22/2004 4:54:18 AM
      - I had the same thought watching the SoTU last night! n/t - Odin - 1/22/2004 5:02:25 AM
        
        Well, you are free to be wrong - ebnelson - 1/22/2004 5:06:22 AM

Kerry wins Iowa, this demo race could actually turn out interesting (n/t) - SteveS - 1/20/2004 6:05:31 AM
- My prediction - Donald - 1/20/2004 2:03:02 PM
  - Heard that Gephardt has a news conf today - Tony - 1/20/2004 2:44:13 PM
    - In the unlikely event that Dean wins the nomination... - Larry J - 1/20/2004 8:43:19 PM
      - Could be worse - Tony - 1/20/2004 9:31:15 PM
        
        "In your guts, you know he's nuts" - Larry J - 1/22/2004 1:59:28 AM
  - re: My prediction - Scott Evil - 1/20/2004 2:32:38 PM

Palestinians easily scale Israel's $1.9 billion security fence - Justin Kelly - 1/21/2004 2:43:50 AM
- Please post a link (n/t) - DFM - 1/21/2004 9:26:42 PM

employment and the labor force - Greg - 1/11/2004 4:43:51 AM
- Some more fun with statistics, or: where did those lost jobs all go? - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 12:06:13 AM
  - job creation has been slower than in almost any previous recovery, and wage growth has slowed to a crawl - Greg - 1/13/2004 5:00:17 PM
    - Did you even read my post? - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 9:26:20 PM
      - that always happens - Greg - 1/14/2004 11:33:23 AM
      - To reiterate: since January of 2001, America has created almost 690,000 jobs. - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 9:39:50 PM
        
        so what? - Greg - 1/15/2004 9:53:29 AM
        
        re: so what? - Tom Brosz - 1/16/2004 7:49:48 AM
        
        so we're back to those pesky references - Greg - 1/16/2004 11:56:47 AM
        
        Don't know why I'm bothering, but... - Tom Brosz - 1/16/2004 4:58:12 PM
        
        Ah, the quiet sound of chirping crickets... (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 3:28:47 AM
        
        I see no references, just a petition from a partisan special interest group. (n/t) - Greg - 1/20/2004 3:44:23 AM
        
        "Economists? I see no economists. Does anyone else see economists?" LOL!! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 4:38:20 AM
        
        Did you read your own post? - Greg - 1/20/2004 8:16:44 AM
        
        re: Did you read your own post? - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 11:37:36 PM
        
        reasoning from observation? - Greg - 1/21/2004 8:30:24 AM
        
        re: "Reasoning from observation? Is there such a thing?" 'Nuff said. - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2004 8:50:43 PM
        
        P.S. I agree with Greg that this growth rate sucks. - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2004 9:45:33 PM
  - I wonder how many illeagal immigrent jobs are being counted as well. - Scott Evil - 1/13/2004 3:44:43 PM
    - P.S. with a population of nearly 300,000,000 you mean that fully 1/2 of all americans don't work? - Scott Evil - 1/13/2004 3:46:46 PM
      - That's about right - Larry J - 1/13/2004 9:36:30 PM
        
        Lazy old people and women need to get back to work - Scott Evil - 1/20/2004 6:34:59 PM
- Thats because many are now self-employed. - Scott Evil - 1/12/2004 6:01:46 PM
- Unfortunately, you seem to be correct. The employment rate (% of persons employed) has gone DOWN. This is very bad news. I don't see any recovery of jobs coming in the next few years. - David F Mayer - 1/11/2004 6:18:37 AM
  - they are also pointing out something else - Greg - 1/11/2004 7:19:34 AM
    - re: maybe they are starting their own businesses - Success_Machine - 1/11/2004 3:05:23 PM
      - re: Another possible explanation - Success_Machine - 1/11/2004 3:15:48 PM
        
        Juggling figures - Tom Brosz - 1/11/2004 8:39:03 PM
        
        To me, what matters is the percentage of adults between 18 and say 65 or 70 who are working. I am sure that the rate has gone down in the past decade. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/11/2004 11:13:59 PM
        
        Mystery solved, it's early retirement for college males - Greg - 1/13/2004 4:55:48 PM
        
        my guess is cellge males are trying to wait out the recession on credit instead of taking a low paying job. (n/t) - Greg - 1/11/2004 4:54:16 PM

A transcription of a tape from the Oval Office, January 18, 2004: - Greg - 1/21/2004 7:10:19 AM
- One assumes you know the transcript is a joke, but who knows? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2004 8:27:25 PM
- one thing about hate. . . - Justin Kelly - 1/21/2004 3:21:22 PM
  - re: one thing about hate. . . - Lindy - 1/21/2004 4:18:04 PM
    - re: one thing about hate. . . - But, but, but - 1/21/2004 4:27:17 PM
- Yup - Donald - 1/21/2004 2:53:59 PM
- re: So was North Korea, and they weren't hiding it either nt - Success_Machine - 1/21/2004 10:38:11 AM

SOTU - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2004 3:38:47 AM
- Tom Brady, NE Patriots' winning SB bound QB guest of Laura Bush - phil - 1/21/2004 4:45:44 PM
- re: SOTU - RobVG - 1/21/2004 3:57:46 AM
  - re: SOTU - Tom Brosz - 1/21/2004 4:04:42 AM

India to buy Russian Aircraft Carrier (MIG 29s included) - Justin Kelly - 1/21/2004 3:52:30 PM

The State of the Union - Not for the faint-hearted. - 1/20/2004 8:13:07 PM
- So what's your point? (n/t) - FrankC - 1/21/2004 4:52:38 AM
- 4: Maximum number of states the Democratic candidate will carry in November - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 9:31:42 PM
  - Smart Enough? (n/t) - Or just too dumb to comprehend it? - 1/21/2004 7:00:38 AM
    - re: Well, it would appear some kids still need it explained . . . - D. Spires - 1/21/2004 2:22:44 PM

The real loser in Iowa: BIG LABOR - Scott Evil - 1/20/2004 4:25:35 PM
- re: The real loser in Iowa: Al Gore (n/t) - ebnelson - 1/21/2004 1:00:55 PM

Tax cuts...the second wave - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2004 1:07:29 AM
- so some wealthy people got large tax cuts and like them. This is news? Where are the screams of pleasure from the Joe Sixpack level? (n/t) - Greg - 1/19/2004 1:29:52 PM
  - I'm not exactly "Joe Sixpack" - Lee - 1/20/2004 4:09:41 AM
  - Greg - define wealthy and tell us specificly at what $ level you'd increase taxes - phil - 1/19/2004 10:57:12 PM
    - There never was a tax cut it was a tax loan - Greg - 1/20/2004 3:57:23 AM
      - "If the tax cut was repealed most of the structural deficit would be gone." - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 4:16:52 AM
        
        nonsense - Greg - 1/20/2004 5:27:25 AM
        
        "Every analysis of the deficit" - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 10:05:51 PM
        
        what was that post about? - Greg - 1/21/2004 6:42:08 AM
  - I just may be the poorest person here - Justin Kelly - 1/19/2004 10:09:47 PM
    - Military pay - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 2:10:48 AM
      - re: Military pay - Larry J - 1/20/2004 2:50:48 AM
        
        re: Military pay - Justin Kelly - 1/21/2004 12:51:20 AM
  - Define "wealthy" - Larry J - 1/19/2004 7:26:26 PM
    - a pretty silly argument - Greg - 1/20/2004 5:41:30 AM
      - re: a pretty silly argument - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 10:17:48 PM
      - Yes, you do offer a pretty silly argument - Larry J - 1/20/2004 2:27:06 PM
        
        re: Yes, you do offer a pretty silly argument - Greg - 1/20/2004 3:10:01 PM
        
        You must be an academic... - Larry J - 1/20/2004 6:00:46 PM
    - From what I have seen, the leftist definition of "wealthy" is "anyone who has more money than I do." - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2004 9:44:45 PM
      - Oh that's right, greed is good and envy is bad (n/t) - Greg - 1/20/2004 5:43:07 AM
      - I'm not holding my breath waiting for an answer... - Larry J - 1/20/2004 3:13:13 AM
        
        re: I'm not holding my breath waiting for an answer... - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 3:28:07 AM

Where the socialists are vacationing this year... - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 11:19:26 PM
- "Bush = Hitler" is so "Last Week"... - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 11:24:12 PM

Bush and spending - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 10:38:28 PM

Interesting data on the "jobless recovery" - Larry J - 1/20/2004 8:14:55 PM
- re: Interesting data on the "jobless recovery" - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 9:14:54 PM
  - Population increases don't immediately translate into worker increases - Larry J - 1/20/2004 9:30:04 PM
    - re: Population increases don't immediately translate into worker increases - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 9:37:31 PM
      - re: Population increases don't immediately translate into worker increases - Larry J - 1/20/2004 10:17:28 PM

same as it ever was - Greg - 1/19/2004 2:09:39 PM
- Just one small problem... - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2004 9:37:57 PM
  - Still true though (n/t) - Greg - 1/20/2004 5:20:41 AM
    - I'll keep that in mind... - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 9:50:34 PM
    - No, that's a lie (n/t) - gbaikie - 1/20/2004 10:37:56 AM
- Yes, the democrats opposed Lincoln then and oppose Bush today - ebnelson - 1/19/2004 2:40:33 PM

How Bush could lose, by Andrew Sullivan - Greg - 1/20/2004 7:03:44 AM
- Anybody could lose. The question is, will Bush lose? I hope not. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/20/2004 3:03:05 PM
- A sobering review - ebnelson - 1/20/2004 1:41:04 PM
  - you can have any flavour you want as long as it's Bush - Greg - 1/20/2004 2:18:07 PM
    - That is not what American history suggests - ebnelson - 1/20/2004 2:52:59 PM
      - not at all - Greg - 1/20/2004 3:20:32 PM
        
        Give me a break... - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 9:46:52 PM

Europe's brain drain - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2004 10:18:16 PM
- Dunno, but........ - Tony - 1/20/2004 9:35:29 PM

Here come the jobs - ebnelson - 1/18/2004 6:15:21 PM
- A drop in the bucket for the devasted IT area. I doubt if IT will EVER reach the employment levels of a few years ago. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/18/2004 7:03:53 PM
  - Perhaps not... - Larry J - 1/19/2004 6:38:35 PM
    - Fraud will always recur. Here are a few from the recent past: - David F Mayer - 1/19/2004 9:28:00 PM
      - Definitely - Larry J - 1/19/2004 11:00:40 PM
        
        ENRON was something like a 60 billion dollar swindle. It had absolutely no chance of succeeding, but was bled dry by its officers. These DOT-COMs had some reasonable chance of success, but not nearly… (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/20/2004 1:31:28 AM
        
        The Dot.Con industry was mostly created by investment bankers to pad fees - ebnelson - 1/20/2004 5:06:25 AM
        
        Most of those Dot.Bomb companies... - Larry J - 1/20/2004 3:03:53 AM
        
        The dog food story is, alas, typical. There was this idea around that "market share" was the only important thing. Profits would come later. In reality, profits came NEVER! (n/t) - David F Mayer - 1/20/2004 2:34:06 PM
        
        A lot of people lost money... - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 3:35:24 AM
        
        There's also a lot of empty office buildings - Gary - 1/20/2004 4:58:55 PM

The case against Bush's immigration plan - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 4:22:05 AM
- It isn't about mowing lawns...Its about finding workers for meatpacking plants... - Scott Evil - 1/20/2004 4:53:52 PM

Anyone else not really give a rat's rump about the Iowa Caucuses, or is it just me? - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 2:52:06 AM
- The only thing it did for me... - FrankC - 1/20/2004 4:46:00 AM
  - Give Dean an Axe and he'd make a great Jack Nicholson - Scott Evil - 1/20/2004 2:22:33 PM
- Kerry is the man - Buck - 1/20/2004 3:57:20 AM
  - re: Kerry is the man PLEASE - shoot me now - phil - 1/20/2004 4:44:53 PM
  - re: Kerry is the man - Justin Kelly - 1/20/2004 4:15:19 PM

"Without the triggers, that tax cut is irreponsible fiscal policy," said Greenspan - Greg - 1/14/2004 4:41:22 PM
- OK - phil - 1/14/2004 4:51:38 PM
  - It's your own debt - Greg - 1/20/2004 9:46:12 AM

more Republican crooks - Greg - 1/2/2004 4:01:50 PM
- More BS from lefty wackjobs - ebnelson - 1/19/2004 12:39:46 AM
  - the appearence of impropriety - Greg - 1/19/2004 4:19:24 PM
    - And the silliest assumption you make - ebnelson - 1/20/2004 2:11:09 AM
      - I don't support any impropriety - Greg - 1/20/2004 6:46:29 AM
    - You don't have any idea of what you are speaking of - ebnelson - 1/20/2004 2:07:58 AM
- re: more Republican crooks - BUSTER - 1/18/2004 4:53:35 AM
- re: more Republican crooks - BUSTER - 1/18/2004 4:53:20 AM
  - The problem is not whether people know but whether they are - Greg - 1/18/2004 11:08:07 AM
    - Crooks or not......... - Lindy - 1/18/2004 7:49:47 PM
- Where? - ebnelson - 1/3/2004 3:48:36 AM
- re: more Democratic flailing - Tom Brosz - 1/2/2004 8:58:13 PM

U.N. nuclear inspectors shocked and surprised at Libya's nuclear program - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 4:36:49 AM

"Showstoppers: Nine reasons why we never sent our Special Operations Forces after al Qaeda before 9/11" - Tom Brosz - 1/20/2004 3:16:55 AM

3 U.S. Service Members Die in Iraq Attack - Donald - 1/17/2004 1:24:51 PM
- Yet how many at home are experiencing brain death that goes unreported? - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/17/2004 5:42:25 PM
  - Ridiculous - Donald - 1/17/2004 6:35:25 PM
    - Drowning in your own lies - ebnelson - 1/17/2004 9:59:57 PM
    - Don't believe rewritten history. - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/17/2004 7:11:52 PM
      - Excuse me but.... - Donald - 1/17/2004 10:17:15 PM
        
        The facts are... - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/19/2004 12:25:37 AM
        
        Please inform Gephardt, Lieberman, clinton, the UN, Gen. Clark, etc. that you have it figured out - ebnelson - 1/18/2004 12:36:29 AM
        
        Something to keep in mind... - Tom Brosz - 1/17/2004 11:49:03 PM
        
        re: Something to keep in mind... - Donald - 1/18/2004 2:07:54 PM
        
        That doesn't answer my question. - Tom Brosz - 1/18/2004 8:28:20 PM
        
        Yes it does - Donald - 1/19/2004 2:58:16 PM
        
        Pizzas? - Tom Brosz - 1/19/2004 9:51:11 PM
        
        the fallacy Don hopes we don't notice - ebnelson - 1/19/2004 10:20:59 PM
        
        Tom, you are asking questions that require integrity to answer - ebnelson - 1/18/2004 12:38:56 AM

Clark makes his stand on Iraq perfectly clear - ebnelson - 1/19/2004 12:49:26 AM
- Don't worry. Once the anti-war coalition has had its say in picking a Presidential candidate in the Primarries, The Democrats will jump on the War bandwagon - Scott Evil - 1/19/2004 10:16:34 PM

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