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Pre-emptive War protesting - gbaikie - 4/11/2003 12:33:23 PM
- say *what*??? - Fox - 4/11/2003 3:47:26 PM
  - Re: say *what*??? - gbaikie - 4/11/2003 4:21:44 PM
    - Oh, I see... - Fox - 4/12/2003 4:43:12 PM
      - Re: Oh, I see... - gbaikie - 4/12/2003 6:21:35 PM

Iraq. Okay...where the hell did everybody go? - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 5:23:04 PM
- Re: 1 found - Raoul - 4/12/2003 1:30:56 PM
- Empty Uniforms everywhere - FrankC - 4/11/2003 6:11:28 PM
  - Stomping Hornet's Nests....... - In the Effort to Wipe Them Out - 4/12/2003 4:08:31 PM
    - No hornets in my yard - FrankC - 4/12/2003 5:12:44 PM
      - Stamping out the Middle East - Raid - 4/12/2003 6:05:10 PM
        
        And then again - FrankC - 4/12/2003 6:21:08 PM

U.N. Employment Exam - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2003 5:31:33 PM

Get Busy Guys - Mark Eby - 4/12/2003 5:19:38 PM

Ritter on CNN - McFly - 4/10/2003 12:11:13 PM
- Funny: Inspectors should have months/years but the army should only have days? - Justin Kelly - 4/10/2003 5:08:45 PM
  - The nice thing is that the US forces will not have to avoid "Presidential Sites" - David F Mayer - 4/11/2003 6:08:54 PM
  - There are a couple of more soldiers there than there were inspectors n/t (n/t) - LJ - 4/11/2003 3:01:54 PM
    - And most of them are rather busy at the moment... - Larry J - 4/11/2003 3:20:42 PM
  - Re: Why? - Raoul - 4/10/2003 5:43:02 PM
    - They get until the weekend? Generous. - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 7:06:21 PM
      - I'm glad to see you stick up for the UN, Tom - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 3:59:43 PM
        
        Had the Iraqis cooperated... - Larry j - 4/11/2003 6:58:29 PM
        
        Not hardly. - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 6:16:59 PM
    - You can't expect our tanks to role into Syria by this weekend... - Scott - 4/11/2003 2:59:21 PM
- The lowest of the low - FrankC - 4/10/2003 12:39:55 PM
  - RWB = Republican White Bread? n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 4/11/2003 5:34:21 PM
    - LOL, not what I had in mind but accurate. (nt) (n/t) - FrankC - 4/12/2003 5:19:15 PM
  - The UN Weapons Inspectors Could Not Find Spots on a Leopard. - David F Mayer - 4/10/2003 1:12:19 PM
    - So far, nobody else has noticed any, either. - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 3:50:41 PM
      - The right word is "obvious." - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 6:24:20 PM
- He should go back to trying to pick up underaged girls at Burger King - Larry J - 4/10/2003 12:29:15 PM
  - Sources? - Davin L. - 4/10/2003 1:24:57 PM
    - The MSNBC story - FrankC - 4/10/2003 1:37:30 PM
      - argggh - FrankC - 4/10/2003 1:39:14 PM
    - Plenty are available - Larry J - 4/10/2003 1:33:27 PM

What now? - REB - 4/11/2003 5:13:24 PM
- Re: What's happening . . . - D. Spires - 4/11/2003 7:33:14 PM
- Interesting perspective - Larry J - 4/11/2003 6:18:48 PM
  - Re: Another interesting perspective - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 6:39:29 PM
    - There's no way to please everyone - Larry J - 4/11/2003 6:55:12 PM
- A little patience, I hope. - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 5:50:59 PM
  - The interesting thing is that Democracy has been successful in both Japan and Germany - David F Mayer - 4/11/2003 6:06:42 PM
    - Japan & Germany are not Iraq. - Jacob Samorodin - 4/11/2003 6:12:59 PM
      - You are probably wrong - FrankC - 4/12/2003 5:04:09 PM
      - Re: Japan & Germany are not Iraq. - REB - 4/11/2003 6:21:13 PM
        
        Re: Japan & Germany are not Iraq. - Jacob Samorodin - 4/11/2003 6:58:20 PM
        
        Such is the price of freedom - Scott - 4/11/2003 9:10:54 AM
- What timing. This just in. - REB - 4/11/2003 5:21:23 PM
  - Which culture and what sect of the religion? - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 6:17:22 PM
    - Found a better link: - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 6:40:41 PM
    - Re: optimism - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 6:21:43 PM
      - Oh, I don't believe it shouldn't be done... - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 6:46:52 PM
        
        Re: Oh, I don't believe it shouldn't be done... - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 6:52:18 PM
        
        Freedom of religion - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 7:01:57 PM
        
        Re: Freedom of religion - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 7:22:14 PM
      - Re: optimism - REB - 4/11/2003 6:25:22 PM
        
        If you go into something with unrealistically high expectations... - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 7:15:05 PM

US troops make important discovery in Baghdad - Matt Burley - 4/12/2003 3:11:17 PM
- More important than weapons of mass destruction... - Don - 4/12/2003 4:20:45 PM

Blix sits in his own failure and whines. - ebnelson - 4/11/2003 4:48:29 PM
- Blix and the other weapons inspectors could not find spots on a leopard! (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/12/2003 2:17:12 PM
- Re: Blix sits in his own failure and whines. - gbaikie - 4/11/2003 5:05:40 PM

Arab World in Shock and Awe - Buck Galaxy - 4/12/2003 8:48:12 AM

Navy Hospital Ship Provides Comfort to Injured Enemy POWs . . . - D. Spires - 4/11/2003 8:13:28 AM
- Sounds like they need to move some of the MASH units to Baghdad - Larry J - 4/11/2003 11:34:12 AM
  - Agreed. (Note to self: mark date on calendar) - Mary Anne - 4/12/2003 8:30:29 AM

Humans "nearly impossible" to clone? - phil - 4/11/2003 7:56:57 PM
- Sounds like a load of bunk to me. - Lee - 4/11/2003 10:47:57 AM
- You went to CANADA.com for this one? - et - 4/11/2003 9:29:31 AM
  - Re: You went to CANADA.com for this one? sorta - p - 4/11/2003 9:43:36 AM

The War is Going Well - Lindy - 4/10/2003 4:40:52 PM
- Re: The War - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 7:02:03 PM
  - Don't miss the newer photos - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 7:53:35 PM
    - Great collection Tom - Thanks. n/t (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/11/2003 11:40:46 AM
  - P.S. - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 7:48:28 PM
- I'll see your story of gloom and doom and raise you 10 stories of tourture and murder. - Scott - 4/11/2003 2:33:39 PM
- Yes, I miss the good 'ole days when Saddam would torture me and kill my relatives n/t (n/t) - Abdul - 4/11/2003 12:06:47 PM
- What's your point? (nt) (n/t) - FrankC - 4/10/2003 6:11:32 PM

Media confesses it covered up Saddam's evil - phil - 4/11/2003 1:19:57 PM
- The New Republic published an article on this topic last October - Larry J - 4/11/2003 6:37:32 PM
  - and CNN lied denying the accusations - p - 4/11/2003 6:57:55 PM
    - What did they know and when did they know it? - Larry J - 4/11/2003 11:41:16 AM
- It's not just the media... - McFly - 4/11/2003 6:06:00 PM
- Good stuff here. - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 5:37:49 PM
- JHC! what good is access? - FrankC - 4/11/2003 1:49:40 PM
  - Seems to me... - Don - 4/11/2003 2:41:47 PM
    - good point and a further rant - p - 4/11/2003 4:50:05 PM
    - Another view - Don - 4/11/2003 2:48:24 PM
    - Sorry Don - Mark Eby - 4/11/2003 12:27:13 PM
  - And where has the information we have had about Iraq come from? - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 2:37:52 PM
    - I have my problems with FOX - FrankC - 4/11/2003 3:31:38 PM
      - Why, Frank - what'd I do? ;-) [n/t] (n/t) - Fox - 4/11/2003 7:50:18 PM
        
        You don't call, you don't write :) (nt) (n/t) - FrankC - 4/11/2003 11:11:45 AM
      - An easy question at last! - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 3:40:06 PM
    - But buy staying, they gave Sadam legitimacy he did not deserve. - Scott - 4/11/2003 2:52:40 PM
      - Re: By staying, they gave Saddam witnesses he didn't want but could not afford to expel - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 3:19:46 PM
        
        Wow! - Perspective - 4/11/2003 4:02:44 PM
        
        I understand - FrankC - 4/11/2003 4:31:41 PM
        
        principles don't trump human life - Scott - 4/11/2003 4:16:30 PM
        
        That was ignorance and superstition among the uneducated classes, dear. ;) - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 4:48:24 PM
        
        Re: ignorance and superstition - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 5:43:51 PM
        
        I agree. I think its a tough call. - Scott - 4/11/2003 3:39:38 PM
        
        Very Tough Call - Perspective - 4/11/2003 5:38:54 PM
        
        i don't have a good answer... - Scott - 4/11/2003 8:52:40 AM
      - No logic to that whatsoever - Don - 4/11/2003 2:57:22 PM
        
        ok then... If CNN found WMDs in Iraq... - Scott - 4/11/2003 3:04:49 PM
        
        Pardon me for horning in here and speaking of you as if you were not in the room, Don... - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 3:32:11 PM
        
        i don't disagree...at least not entirely... - Scott - 4/11/2003 3:55:36 PM
        
        Yeah, it *does* make you wonder, doesn't it? - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 4:11:19 PM
        
        Bookmarking that one. A lot of us should have it on a card on our monitor. - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 5:40:35 PM
        
        I admit it...I'm guilty as charged! N/T (n/t) - Scott - 4/11/2003 4:20:12 PM
        
        Thank you Mary Anne - Don - 4/11/2003 3:35:58 PM
        
        Cripes - Don - 4/11/2003 3:32:04 PM
  - Well now we know why the media is Bush's lap dog... - Anne Leftleaner - 4/11/2003 2:26:48 PM
- Making Something Simple Complex - Mark Eby - 4/11/2003 12:50:31 PM

ICRC: 'Catastrophic' Situation At Baghdad Hospital . . . - D. Spires - 4/11/2003 7:47:17 PM
- Baghdad Hospital . . . - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 9:34:24 AM
  - Re: Baghdad Hospital . . .Worse than St Elsewhere? - p - 4/11/2003 9:47:30 AM

More predictions on the war - Tom Brosz - 4/10/2003 8:05:58 AM
- These were the same lunatics who predicted that Iraq would beat the hell out of the US-UK alliance. - David F Mayer - 4/10/2003 1:14:25 PM
  - Are these the same folks who are now saying Saddam wasn't so tough... - REB - 4/11/2003 11:03:14 AM
    - In case you are referring to me... - alcaray - 4/11/2003 7:42:32 PM
- Re: Even More predictions on the war - p - 4/10/2003 8:18:53 AM
  - Re: Even More predictions on the war - REB - 4/11/2003 2:26:37 PM

Oil bonuses - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 7:39:44 PM

Jed Babbin on the "smoking gun." - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 7:29:48 PM

War Even Uglier When Children Are the Enemy . . . - D. Spires - 4/8/2003 10:06:55 AM
- Re: War Even Uglier When Children Are the Enemy . . . - RNE - 4/8/2003 2:57:30 PM
- Re: War Even Uglier When Children Are the Enemy . . . - Publius - 4/8/2003 1:51:01 PM
  - The only thing uglier than war is a peace activist - Scott - 4/9/2003 4:28:17 PM
    - Sticks and stones.............. - Publius - 4/9/2003 1:18:05 PM
  - Political failure? - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2003 3:38:08 PM
    - Re: Political failure? you bethcha, by definition..... - Publius - 4/9/2003 1:09:00 PM
    - Failure all around, Tom - Davin L. - 4/8/2003 4:38:14 PM
      - Odd logic - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2003 5:05:02 PM
        
        Re: Odd logic - Davin L. - 4/9/2003 5:30:25 PM
        
        Re: Third way . . . ? - D. Spires - 4/9/2003 6:09:14 PM
        
        Re: Odd logic - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2003 11:00:55 AM
        
        Re: Odd logic - Davin L. - 4/9/2003 12:59:33 PM
        
        Is anybody else having trouble with this? - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2003 4:28:56 PM
        
        Re: Is anybody else having trouble with this? - Davin L. - 4/10/2003 2:28:18 PM
        
        Re: Pattently unstable trigger-man . . . - D. Spires - 4/11/2003 7:21:24 PM
- A high school friend's father told me a similar story from WWII - Larry J - 4/8/2003 12:27:21 PM

Bogus Protests - Perspective - 4/10/2003 6:21:49 PM
- Arithmetic is not my strong point - Mary Anne - 4/10/2003 7:05:53 PM
  - Re: Arithmetic is not my strong point - Perspective - 4/10/2003 8:48:14 AM
    - One point I agree with: Pork spending is definitely a bi-partisan hobby. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/10/2003 9:57:50 AM
    - Actually, no I didn't, but I did ignore it - Mary Anne - 4/10/2003 9:27:51 AM
- Re: Bogus Protests - Tom Brosz - 4/10/2003 7:05:38 PM
  - Re: Bogus Protests - Davin L. - 4/10/2003 7:13:49 PM
    - No jigging...you won that one fair and square. - Tom Brosz - 4/10/2003 7:25:30 PM
      - Re: No jigging...you won that one fair and square. - gbaikie - 4/10/2003 8:10:41 AM
        
        Re: No jigging...you won that one fair and square. - p - 4/10/2003 8:20:50 AM
        
        Every nickel in the budget has friends... - Tom Brosz - 4/10/2003 10:00:28 AM
        
        Irrelevant...I mentioned well documented cost SAVING$ n/t (n/t) - p - 4/11/2003 12:32:38 PM
- You give no details about what the protestors statement was - alcaray - 4/10/2003 10:50:29 AM
  - Re: You give no details about what the protestors statement was - Perspective - 4/11/2003 3:49:24 PM
    - You have a funny way of unwinding... - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 5:08:05 PM
      - LOL - Perspective - 4/11/2003 7:17:33 PM
    - Re: "Their statement was that this lawmaker had voted to cut veterans' benefits. Period." - alcaray - 4/11/2003 4:20:37 PM
      - Good Question - Perspective - 4/11/2003 5:04:37 PM

events to watch closely.... - Davin L. - 4/10/2003 4:34:03 PM
- More important events to watch closely - Scott - 4/10/2003 5:50:17 PM
  - Re: More important events to watch closely - Davin L. - 4/10/2003 6:43:14 PM
- The work has just started... - Larry J - 4/10/2003 5:26:12 PM
- Well at least there aren't any 4 year old little girls in one of Sadam's prisons anymore. - Scott - 4/10/2003 4:47:12 PM
  - Re: Well at least there aren't any 4 year old little girls in one of Sadam's prisons anymore. - REB - 4/10/2003 4:53:07 PM
    - I bet the non-racist Leftist will soon be stating that the Iraqi celebrating is really just a "Cultural" phenomenon - Scott - 4/10/2003 4:57:11 PM
    - We've Gone From "It's Not About Liberation" to Ignoring Liberation - Mark Eby - 4/10/2003 3:28:39 PM
      - Remember when "Liberation" was a leftist word? Ah, the good old days. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 7:07:44 PM
        
        Re: Remember when "law and order" was a rightist slogan? - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 11:12:30 AM
        
        Re: Remember when - REB - 4/11/2003 12:57:54 PM
        
        Yeah, no kidding - Mary Anne - 4/11/2003 5:14:55 PM
        
        "Have you looked at Afghanistan lately?" - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 11:17:48 AM
      - Ohhh! You are SO right! The scales doeth drop from mine eye... - Davin L. - 4/11/2003 2:05:44 PM
        
        No Still Scaled Over - Mark Eby - 4/11/2003 2:16:33 PM
- Re: events to watch closely.... - REB - 4/10/2003 4:41:24 PM
  - Re: events to watch closely.... - Davin L. - 4/10/2003 4:43:15 PM
    - Re: events to watch closely.... - REB - 4/10/2003 4:49:13 PM
- Excuse me, but where did you get the idea the war was over? (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/10/2003 4:37:16 PM
  - Re: Excuse me, but where do I claim it is? Having a Reality break again tom? ;-) (n/t) - Davin L. - 4/10/2003 4:38:32 PM
    - "Cheers. Great war, folks. Lets do it again soon." Sorry if I misinterpreted. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/10/2003 5:12:15 PM
- OOps, some of these also posted by Larry J below. (n/t) - Davin L. - 4/10/2003 4:37:01 PM
  - (slap) I AM NOT LARRY J, DAVIN! - LJ - 4/10/2003 4:53:26 PM
    - Whooops! :-) Sorry Larry, I mean LJ.... (n/t) - Davin L. - 4/10/2003 5:06:22 PM
      - Give the poor guy a break. I STILL don't have all the Roberts straight...(n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/10/2003 5:13:23 PM
        
        I changed to just my Initials. Did that help? - REB - 4/10/2003 5:18:25 PM
        
        Not If You're Robert E Blair - Mark Eby - 4/10/2003 2:58:08 PM
        
        Re: Not If You're Robert E Blair - REB - 4/11/2003 11:08:16 AM
      - And what's with your emoticons, Davin? - LJ - 4/10/2003 5:08:41 PM
        
        Yeah- its Emoticonitis... Severe Artuculatory Retardation Syndrome... (n/t) - Davin L. - 4/10/2003 5:30:14 PM
        
        Er, Articulatory-- See! SDAI did infect me! (n/t) - Davin L. - 4/10/2003 5:32:16 PM
        
        SASS - severe acute SDAI syndrome n/t (n/t) - LJ - 4/10/2003 5:39:45 PM
    - Yeah, I was wondering what he was talking about - Larry J - 4/10/2003 5:05:21 PM

Cuban ferry hijackers tried and executed in 3 days - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 6:47:30 PM

News media in action! - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/11/2003 6:38:51 PM

A Canadian offer - p - 4/11/2003 6:20:56 PM

MOBOT Oil Terminal in Iraq re-boots.... - Carl - 4/11/2003 5:37:02 PM

Try and find a mainstream news story that isn't about either the looting or the casualties in the hospitals. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 2:32:35 PM
- Re: Looting - Fox - 4/11/2003 4:39:13 PM
- Oops. Should have been under Mark's post. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2003 2:33:14 PM
  - Been Happening A Lot. Is It Us or Them - Mark Eby - 4/11/2003 2:38:52 PM

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