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"Winds of Change" war update - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2004 7:00:33 PM

Easy to see why he doesn't have more press conferences (n/t) - Odin - 4/14/2004 2:06:57 AM
- Conservatives awfully quiet - alcaray - 4/14/2004 6:18:17 PM
  - And there's this - FrankC - 4/14/2004 7:07:54 PM
    - Hateful? - Tony - 4/14/2004 7:30:38 PM
  - Why bother - FrankC - 4/14/2004 6:57:09 PM
    - re: Why bother - Fox - 4/15/2004 2:52:25 AM
      - Sorry you are ashamed - FrankC - 4/15/2004 5:04:00 AM
    - If you don't bother, it suggests that you agree (n/t) - alcaray - 4/14/2004 8:36:47 PM
      - Good Lord, I hope that's not how the rules work here. - Tom Brosz - 4/14/2004 9:19:19 PM
        
        Usually, after a Bush speech there's an immediate chorus of praise, from the local choir. - alcaray - 4/15/2004 4:43:03 PM
- re: His mission... - Raoul - 4/14/2004 5:45:01 PM
- I expected him to be better prepared, at the very least - McFly - 4/14/2004 3:24:52 PM
  - He was prepared, I think. - Bowser - 4/14/2004 10:55:21 PM
- re: The press conference - Fox - 4/14/2004 2:25:30 PM
  - re: The press conference - Raoul - 4/14/2004 4:31:29 PM
  - Still wondering - Tony - 4/14/2004 3:06:55 PM
    - LOL - McFly - 4/14/2004 3:28:11 PM
      - "Freedom for the Palestinians"? - E.P. Grondine - 4/14/2004 4:41:01 PM
- It's embarrassing - Donald - 4/14/2004 4:02:44 AM
  - Evasive weasel-wannabe on national TV. Dumb. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/14/2004 10:07:45 PM

More positive developments in Middle East! - Buck Galaxy - 4/15/2004 3:58:03 AM
- Are you sure that - alcaray - 4/15/2004 4:27:23 PM
- After the disengagement, the Palestinians may take one of two courses. - David F Mayer - 4/15/2004 12:06:54 PM
- Kudos yes progress unlikely - FrankC - 4/15/2004 5:28:30 AM

There aren't a lot of things that can stop an M-1 - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2004 7:22:04 AM
- Quite a story! - alcaray - 4/15/2004 4:18:45 PM
- The M-1 is very heavy, and therefore vulnerable to such impediments as mud. - David F Mayer - 4/15/2004 12:02:15 PM

Bush-n-a box....... - Publius - 4/15/2004 12:40:26 AM
- Hmmm. - Bowser - 4/15/2004 12:55:17 AM
  - re: Immigration - Raoul - 4/15/2004 5:47:10 AM
    - ouch,,,,,,,,,,,,, - Publius - 4/15/2004 4:11:45 PM

"Tokyo Has Few Options for Iraq Hostages" - Fox - 4/9/2004 2:16:34 PM
- [floating this up to post] Crisis Averted - Fox - 4/15/2004 4:04:58 PM
- Burning hostages alive, how revealing. It shows quite well the kind of people we are dealing with. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/9/2004 8:08:07 PM
  - Remember when Japan used to routinely kill prisoners, hostages, and such... - Scott Evil - 4/9/2004 8:48:57 PM
    - Remember when the US routinely firebombed Japanese civilians? - Bowser - 4/10/2004 4:02:46 AM
      - re: Remember when the US routinely firebombed Japanese civilians? - David F Mayer - 4/11/2004 2:56:15 AM
        
        I wish, I wish, I wish you were right!! - Bowser - 4/11/2004 3:44:00 AM
    - So did the US. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/10/2004 3:22:40 AM
- Random sample or cherry picking? - RobVG - 4/9/2004 4:50:09 PM

"The Fruits of Appeasement" - Tom Brosz - 4/14/2004 6:02:47 AM
- I thought was our "Fruit of Appeasement"....... - Publius - 4/15/2004 12:47:24 AM
  - "A major religious war today would really be nasty business" - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2004 6:43:43 AM
  - ooops, I left Ed out. Ed is our "Fruit of Appeasement"..... (n/t) - Publius - 4/15/2004 12:50:42 AM
- If it isn't Clinton's fault, it must be Jimmy Carter's - Odin - 4/14/2004 11:30:42 PM
- re: War? - Raoul - 4/14/2004 7:29:42 PM
  - "If it doesn't work, try it harder" is for fools. - Bowser - 4/15/2004 1:00:31 AM
  - We already tried your way. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/14/2004 8:26:19 PM
- re: "The Fruits of Appeasement" - gbaikie - 4/14/2004 7:49:19 AM
  - re: "The Fruits of Appeasement" - ebnelson - 4/15/2004 2:03:29 AM
    - re: "The Fruits of Appeasement" - gbaikie - 4/15/2004 4:18:20 AM

Update on Iraq's Oil - Tom Brosz - 4/14/2004 9:26:50 PM
- NOW I am worried......... - Publius - 4/15/2004 12:26:27 AM
- NOW I am worried......... - Publius - 4/15/2004 12:25:50 AM
  - re: NOW I am worried......... - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2004 6:01:48 AM

Montana Teen Sentenced 50 Years for Hitting Jogger . . . - D. Spires - 4/15/2004 2:06:08 AM
- I grew up near there.... - et - 4/15/2004 3:43:32 AM

"Killer Memo" released - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2004 4:36:23 AM
- Everyone would benefit by reading this... - Pete Stanley - 4/12/2004 4:11:31 AM
  - As an education in sophistry? - Odin - 4/12/2004 7:26:30 AM
    - re: As an education in sophistry? - Pete Stanley - 4/12/2004 8:29:28 PM
- This is the memo Rice dismissed as "historical"... - Robert - 4/11/2004 4:50:03 AM
  - re: This is the memo Rice dismissed as "historical"... - gbaikie - 4/11/2004 9:35:59 PM
  - I'm so glad you asked... - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2004 8:58:09 PM
    - I don't expect anything to show that Bush had prior knowledge. - alcaray - 4/12/2004 4:53:33 PM
      - The 9/11 attack was not predicted. - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2004 12:23:58 AM
        
        Not by that memo. And I never claimed it was. - alcaray - 4/13/2004 4:40:32 PM
        
        "Action" again. - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2004 7:38:46 PM
        
        Are you incapable of debating without putting words in my mouth? - alcaray - 4/13/2004 10:19:17 PM
        
        re: debating - Tom Brosz - 4/14/2004 5:55:31 AM
        
        Apparently the answer to my question was no. - alcaray - 4/14/2004 3:22:42 PM
        
        I'm trying to have a discussion here. It isn't easy. - Tom Brosz - 4/14/2004 9:17:49 PM
        
        Pretending to care would be an improvement (n/t) - alcaray - 4/14/2004 10:25:13 PM
        
        So vote for Kerry. He'll do a good job of that. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/14/2004 11:56:22 PM
    - That's the way I see it Tom - FrankC - 4/11/2004 10:53:58 PM
    - I knew you would be - Robert - 4/11/2004 9:52:00 PM
      - Two things. - Bowser - 4/12/2004 12:40:08 AM
        
        re: Two things. - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2004 1:08:31 AM
        
        You're trying too hard - Robert - 4/12/2004 2:08:54 AM
      - re: A few comments - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2004 11:40:55 PM
        
        re: A few comments - Robert - 4/12/2004 1:54:22 AM
        
        FBI's hands were tied......... - Lindy - 4/12/2004 6:22:49 AM
        
        Before we drift too far off into the ozone... - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2004 5:17:13 AM
        
        Another example of the Memo Myth - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2004 1:13:21 AM
        
        Thanks for the link... - jms - 4/12/2004 6:04:58 PM
      - Sow's ear. (n/t) - RobVG - 4/11/2004 10:40:27 PM

The insurgency and the intifada - Raoul - 4/14/2004 5:59:44 PM
- The difference is that it's working for the Israelis. - Bowser - 4/14/2004 8:16:04 PM

"If we make enough noise about Iraq, maybe nobody will notice the economy..." - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2004 12:57:26 AM
- re: "If we make enough noise about Iraq, maybe nobody will notice the economy..." - gbaikie - 4/12/2004 4:04:23 AM
  - You could be right about the timing - alcaray - 4/12/2004 10:20:53 PM
- Too late - Fox - 4/12/2004 3:15:15 AM
  - Tulipmania.....US style... - Publius - 4/13/2004 1:23:13 PM
  - This economy is being artificially stimulated as NEVER before. - Bowser - 4/12/2004 5:27:02 PM
    - Boy, are you ever wrong?..... - Publius - 4/13/2004 1:38:02 PM
      - Careful not to confuse "job creation" statistics with job growth - alcaray - 4/13/2004 4:36:35 PM
        
        I believe the 300,000 payroll jobs was a net increase, taking layoffs into account. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2004 7:20:57 PM
        
        Total Employment has held steady at 138M and change for many months, now. - alcaray - 4/13/2004 10:43:55 PM
        
        re: Total Employment has held steady at 138M and change for many months, now. - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2004 11:42:21 PM
  - re: Numbers - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2004 4:49:59 AM
    - re: the tax cuts worked - alcaray - 4/12/2004 4:32:40 PM
      - re: the tax cuts worked - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2004 5:14:14 PM
      - good post - Davin L. - 4/12/2004 4:58:15 PM
- re: "If we make enough noise about jobs, maybe nobody will notice who's getting the income..." - Mary Anne - 4/12/2004 2:39:15 AM
  - Re: jobs - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2004 4:20:57 AM
    - Unionized - Mary Anne - 4/12/2004 12:46:58 PM
      - re: Unionized - Publius - 4/13/2004 1:14:06 PM
      - re: Unionized - gbaikie - 4/13/2004 2:57:08 AM
        
        Not everyone can be a small business owner. - Mary Anne - 4/13/2004 11:34:12 PM
        
        "Food insecurity" again. - Tom Brosz - 4/14/2004 4:22:43 AM
        
        You can make fun of the terminology. It still means children are malnourished. - Mary Anne - 4/14/2004 1:00:23 PM
        
        Anecdotal evidence - Tom Brosz - 4/14/2004 5:29:03 PM

It ain't just Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice. - Bowser - 4/14/2004 12:21:36 AM
- Either Pickard or Ashcroft committed perjury - Tony - 4/14/2004 1:12:17 PM

Jimmy Carter: 'Their war was based on lies and misinterpretations - John - 3/23/2004 1:44:48 AM
- A guy interested in peace being savaged by folks interested in non-essential war. - Bowser - 3/23/2004 9:43:34 PM
- Want some alternate history? I'll give you some alternate history. - Tom Brosz - 3/23/2004 7:10:21 AM
  - re: Want some alternate history? I'll give you some alternate history. - fiona bruin - 4/14/2004 7:57:59 AM
- re: Jimmy Carter: apparently fishing for another Nobel Prize. - Tom Brosz - 3/23/2004 2:53:21 AM
  - re: Do you have any idea? - Raoul - 3/23/2004 6:44:57 AM
    - Good point: Things were very orderly under saddam - ebnelson - 3/23/2004 1:52:24 PM
  - Fidel Castro should get a Nobel Prize. (n/t) - gbaikie - 3/23/2004 3:05:49 AM
    - Wait for it. Gorbachev got one. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/23/2004 3:43:23 AM
      - re: Gorbachev deverved it (n/t) - Raoul - 3/23/2004 6:46:27 AM
        
        So did Reagan. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/23/2004 6:49:54 AM
        
        re: Gorbachev deserved it (I mean) (n/t) - Raoul - 3/23/2004 6:47:44 AM
- The cumulative weight of all the lies is impressive, oppressive and depressing. (A rant.) - Bowser - 3/23/2004 2:13:30 AM

This could be significant, if true - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2004 10:15:18 PM
- Al-Qaeda in Iraq? I don't believe it. ;) (n/t) - Lee - 4/14/2004 6:53:28 AM
- More hype. I will believe that he has been captured or killed when he or his remains have been positively identified. I hate this speculation. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/14/2004 2:46:03 AM
- Who said conservatives don't believe in silver bullets? (n/t) - alcaray - 4/13/2004 10:47:30 PM

Good news for MIddle East peace - Buck Galaxy - 4/13/2004 5:20:37 PM
- Not so fast there, Bucko! - Bowser - 4/13/2004 9:46:28 PM
  - Israel offered to build a joint, shared water system with Palestine. This would involve $40B for desalination and reconstruction in the WB and Gaza. - David F Mayer - 4/14/2004 2:48:55 AM
  - More on that. - Bowser - 4/13/2004 9:52:32 PM
    - re: More on that. - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2004 10:12:19 PM
      - tbrosz (n/t) - Bowser - 4/14/2004 12:28:41 AM

Fates - Raoul - 4/12/2004 6:37:48 PM
- If we fight terrorists, the terrorists will have won. (n/t) - Pete Stanley - 4/13/2004 5:08:49 AM
- From the Moscow Times: - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2004 4:46:27 AM
  - re: From the Moscow Times: - gbaikie - 4/13/2004 9:43:54 AM
- Can you find the I - R - A - Q in QUAGMIRE? - Bowser - 4/12/2004 8:10:31 PM
  - New reduced license fee for "Vietnam with Sand" @copyright 2002 E.P. Grondine - E.P. Grondine - 4/12/2004 10:11:36 PM
    - A Vietnamese reprise. - Bowser - 4/13/2004 1:10:51 AM

Kerry picks up another endorsement - Tom Brosz - 4/13/2004 5:13:21 AM

Mark Steyn on Iraq - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2004 5:41:32 PM
- re: Mark Steyn on Iraq - gbaikie - 4/12/2004 10:19:22 PM

One possible reason Condaleezza Rice dropped off the front pages after her testimony - Tom Brosz - 4/12/2004 6:34:46 AM
- Political Hatchet Job worked - Tony - 4/12/2004 2:31:30 PM
  - There are still people who believe Richard Nixon. - Bowser - 4/12/2004 5:51:59 PM

Europe, a Provence of Islam - phil - 4/6/2004 10:54:04 PM
- What I can't understand is this: - David F Mayer - 4/11/2004 4:59:35 PM
- re: Europe and US, a divide - Raoul - 4/7/2004 5:49:38 AM
  - Not all religions are equally good or bad. - Buck Galaxy - 4/8/2004 6:58:10 AM
  - re: Europe and US, a divide - Justin Kelly - 4/7/2004 4:37:05 PM
    - re: Europe and US, a divide - Raoul - 4/7/2004 7:21:20 PM
      - Not the same crime - FrankC - 4/7/2004 8:19:39 PM
        
        re: Not the same crime - Raoul - 4/7/2004 9:43:31 PM
        
        re: Not the same crime????????? - Buck Galaxy - 4/8/2004 6:43:31 AM
        
        re: Not the same crime! - Raoul - 4/8/2004 4:44:16 PM
        
        If I conceded.... - FrankC - 4/8/2004 3:24:25 AM
        
        Targets - Mary Anne - 4/8/2004 4:16:50 AM
        
        re: Targets - Justin Kelly - 4/8/2004 9:05:06 AM
        
        My meaning was quite straightforward: - Mary Anne - 4/8/2004 5:26:41 PM
        
        Good grief, Mary Anne. - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 12:43:31 AM
        
        I'm tired of the "heroic" Israelis vs. the "diabolic" Palestinians - Mary Anne - 4/9/2004 1:17:10 PM
        
        re: I'm tired of the reverse. And I hear a lot more of it. - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 4:25:17 PM
        
        I do remember Barak, and his efforts, with regret. - Mary Anne - 4/9/2004 5:03:22 PM
        
        re: regret. - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 6:25:35 PM
        
        Sharon is not an idiot. - Mary Anne - 4/9/2004 6:35:52 PM
        
        re: Sharon is not an idiot. - Buck Galaxy - 4/12/2004 7:54:39 AM
        
        Hold the Israelis responsible for what they have done since the Yom Kippur war as well. - Mary Anne - 4/12/2004 1:15:56 PM
        
        The Boston mob, and those who followed it, did not target British women and children. - Buck Galaxy - 4/12/2004 4:28:26 PM
        
        re: Oppression - Raoul - 4/8/2004 4:48:08 PM
        
        There is no amount of humiliation that justifies setting off a nail bomb in a cafeteria. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 12:45:26 AM
        
        there still is humiliation and oppression and that does breed violence. - FrankC - 4/8/2004 7:25:13 PM
        
        Okay - FrankC - 4/8/2004 6:05:39 AM
        
        re: Not the same crime - gbaikie - 4/8/2004 12:38:42 AM
  - re: Europe and US, a divide - phil - 4/7/2004 2:54:34 PM

Something is VERY wrong here, I am curious if ANYONE here would disagree - R.L. - 4/10/2004 8:02:52 AM
- "Hey, Rube!" - Fox - 4/12/2004 3:46:18 AM
- Scalia is a weak ego, drunk with power. - Bowser - 4/11/2004 3:37:47 AM
- I am curious if ANYONE here would disagree - Tom Brosz - 4/10/2004 4:32:37 PM

A very important part of history left out of the movie "The Passion". - Juan - 4/11/2004 5:32:32 PM
- Incontrovertable evidence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Buck Galaxy - 4/12/2004 12:44:24 AM
- You call that stuff "history"? That is rather absurd. It is theology. The guys who painted the pictures were not there. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/11/2004 9:38:31 PM
- re: A very important part of history - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2004 9:15:51 PM
- don't forget the ufo abduction in 'Life of Brian' (n/t) - Zaphod Beeblebrox - 4/11/2004 5:50:34 PM

Bush death count hist 649 - Donald - 4/11/2004 1:43:32 PM
- I am beginning to agree with you. It is time to let the Iraqis kill each other and get our guys out of the way. The Iraqis clearly do not want peace or democracy, - David F Mayer - 4/11/2004 9:43:17 PM
  - That was my problem with this to begin with - Donald - 4/11/2004 10:32:52 PM
- re: Bush death count hist 649 - Barney - 4/11/2004 3:54:00 PM

Condi Blows Clarke Away - FrankC - 4/10/2004 8:18:49 PM
- Message to Osama bin Laden: Next time you fly airplanes into American buildings, Bush wants you to draw him a map. - Astro - 4/11/2004 3:55:58 AM
  - re: Message to Osama bin Laden: Next time you fly airplanes into American buildings, Bush wants you to draw him a map. - Pete Stanley - 4/11/2004 7:48:03 AM
  - Catchy name (n/t) - FrankC - 4/11/2004 6:14:17 AM
- Well, we know Condi lies, and has reason to. - Bowser - 4/11/2004 2:44:09 AM

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