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Bush death count hits 642 - Donald - 4/10/2004 12:23:32 AM
- Its devolving into chaos - Donald - 4/10/2004 1:15:25 AM
  - Mr. Bush's Legacy - Donald - 4/10/2004 1:49:26 AM
    - What would Hitler do differently? (n/t) - Bowser - 4/10/2004 4:00:32 AM
      - re: What would Hitler do differently? - Buck Galaxy - 4/11/2004 2:58:47 AM
        
        PS - The Marines have singled out all the males in the town for death. - Bowser - 4/11/2004 3:41:04 AM
        
        re: PS - The Marines have singled out all the males in the town for death. - Buck Galaxy - 4/11/2004 6:38:37 AM
        
        "What would Hitler do differently?" - Tom Brosz - 4/11/2004 4:02:23 AM
        
        Well, then, what WOULD Hitler do differently? (n/t) - Bowser - 4/11/2004 3:38:52 AM
      - Well... - Donald - 4/10/2004 4:53:29 AM

Bush & 9/11: Asleep as the switch - Donald - 4/10/2004 1:25:32 PM
- And if a prisoner at Guantanamo mutters something, - Bowser - 4/11/2004 3:34:05 AM
  - Correct. - Pete S. - 4/11/2004 6:04:02 AM
- Recommend waiting for the whole memo before starting your endzone dance - Tom Brosz - 4/10/2004 7:58:47 PM
- re: Bush & 9/11: Asleep as the switch - RobVG - 4/10/2004 4:47:34 PM
- Meanwhile: Iraq continues to devolve - Donald - 4/10/2004 1:29:20 PM

Riding the tiger. - Bowser - 4/8/2004 12:15:17 PM
- Riding the tiger, same as riding the jaguar? - Publius - 4/10/2004 5:25:53 PM
- It's B-52 time. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/8/2004 2:07:44 PM
  - So you're advocating aiming the violence directly at civilians? - Bowser - 4/8/2004 3:18:57 PM
    - re: So you're advocating aiming the violence directly at civilians? - Publius - 4/9/2004 1:22:58 PM
      - Political Correctness - Lindy - 4/9/2004 5:22:29 PM
    - "How would you target a B-52?" WIth GPS guided bombs. - David F Mayer - 4/8/2004 6:27:43 PM
    - re: So you're advocating aiming the violence directly at civilians? - SDG - 4/8/2004 6:26:58 PM
      - The accuracy of those weapons is questionable at best. - Bowser - 4/8/2004 6:35:48 PM
        
        re: The accuracy of those weapons is questionable at best. - Pete S. - 4/11/2004 5:49:29 AM
        
        No, we're not using B-52s. Americans are dying to keep Iraqi civilians alive. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 8:42:14 PM
        
        "Americans are dying to keep Iraqi civilians alive." True, but is it prudent? (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/8/2004 9:24:25 PM
        
        Americans are OVER THERE. Killing them by the thousand. - Bowser - 4/9/2004 7:29:17 PM
- Feeding the Tiger - Jack Herer - 4/8/2004 1:20:33 PM

A Reckless Quagmire - Donald - 4/7/2004 4:02:54 AM
- Our troops are not being attacked by 22 million people. - Tom Brosz - 4/7/2004 3:30:51 PM
  - That is sick. - Bowser - 4/8/2004 4:35:03 AM
    - Sick - RobVG - 4/8/2004 4:43:11 PM
      - No, of course not. - Bowser - 4/8/2004 4:54:25 PM
    - Get real. - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 4:58:02 AM
      - Again. - Bowser - 4/8/2004 11:38:36 AM
        
        re: Again. - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 4:14:11 PM
        
        All right. I've tried twice. - Bowser - 4/8/2004 4:41:17 PM
        
        Try actually reasoning out a sentence. - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 12:31:21 AM
        
        re: Try actually reasoning out a sentence. - Davin L. - 4/9/2004 1:46:01 AM
        
        Okay, you want us to win. Act like it. - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 2:43:03 AM
        
        America f'ed up - alcaray - 4/9/2004 2:57:29 PM
        
        You want to call me a traitor now? - Davin L - 4/9/2004 4:14:03 AM
        
        No. - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 5:56:49 AM
        
        Not even close - Odin - 4/9/2004 6:43:52 AM
        
        re: Political Events, 280 B.C. - Johannes - 4/10/2004 11:15:38 PM
  - re: Our troops are not being attacked by 22 million people. - Buck Galaxy - 4/7/2004 4:37:02 PM
    - re: Our troops - Tom Brosz - 4/7/2004 6:06:18 PM
- re: A Reckless Quagmire - gbaikie - 4/7/2004 6:05:12 AM
- Sez it well. Talk about miscalculations, screwing up. - Bowser - 4/7/2004 4:12:39 AM

Vietnam's Lessons Then and Now - Donald - 4/10/2004 4:37:58 AM
- re: Vietnam's Lessons Then and Now - gbaikie - 4/10/2004 6:52:07 AM

Friday, the 9th of April - Tom Brosz - 4/10/2004 6:27:15 AM

Iraqi cherry-picked governing council member calls Falluja "genocide". - Bowser - 4/10/2004 3:57:47 AM

Another harrowing experience in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 8:53:47 PM
- re: And another experience in Iraq - Raoul - 4/9/2004 9:20:15 PM

Coalition Provisional Authority Briefing today - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 8:40:14 PM

Why is anyone still listening to Hans Blix? - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 4:17:00 AM
- Hans Blix couldn't find his own ass with both hands. (n/t) - DFM - 4/8/2004 6:30:03 PM
- Why is anyone still listening to George Bush? - Bowser - 4/8/2004 4:26:38 AM
  - Blix thinks Iraq was better off under Saddam. 'Nuff said. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 4:43:43 AM
    - And how do you think Bush is going to prevent a civil war? - Bowser - 4/8/2004 12:21:02 PM
    - re: Terrorism - Raoul - 4/8/2004 5:44:16 AM
      - Raoul's dDefinition of terrorisim: innocent people being murdered by someone other than Saddam. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 4:02:02 PM
        
        Wow... Pretty shabby stuff tom. You gonna call him a Saddam Lover next? - Davin L. - 4/8/2004 9:38:53 PM
        
        That is another foul mischaracterization. Deliberate. - Bowser - 4/8/2004 4:57:49 PM
        
        What? There was no terror in Iraq before the war? - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 11:49:54 PM
        
        .... There was no terror in Iraq before the war? - Publius - 4/9/2004 2:00:33 PM
        
        You've got no rational response either, huh? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 6:09:01 PM
        
        re: Inside Iraq - Raoul - 4/9/2004 5:46:57 AM
      - Heh, heh. Bush said there WERE WMDs. Nuff sed? (n/t) - Bowser - 4/8/2004 12:22:45 PM
      - re: Terrorism - Buck Galaxy - 4/8/2004 7:13:45 AM
        
        re: the future.... - Raoul - 4/8/2004 5:42:27 PM
        
        re: the future.... - gbaikie - 4/9/2004 7:51:32 PM
        
        Iraqi "independence". - Bowser - 4/8/2004 12:30:18 PM
      - re: Terrorism - gbaikie - 4/8/2004 6:07:33 AM
    - I agree with Blix - Lindy - 4/8/2004 5:37:25 AM

Yup...things are just hunky-dorry in Iraq - Donald - 4/8/2004 11:50:38 PM
- $150 billion later... - Donald - 4/8/2004 11:53:09 PM
  - Meanwhile: Bush death count hist 637 - Donald - 4/8/2004 11:56:14 PM
    - Perspective - Larry J - 4/9/2004 2:08:27 PM
      - Sick Perspective - Bowser - 4/9/2004 7:45:35 PM

Rice Transcript - Tony - 4/8/2004 5:10:00 PM
- Not a major point - alcaray - 4/8/2004 5:20:30 PM
  - re: Not a major point - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 6:41:33 PM
    - That's how candidates are picked (or not picked). You didn't know? - alcaray - 4/8/2004 8:52:41 PM
      - You mean like this? - Larry J - 4/8/2004 9:21:09 PM
        
        Huh? (n/t) - alcaray - 4/8/2004 9:41:22 PM
        
        Sorry, Larry accidentally threw a policy issue in there. - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 11:40:52 PM
        
        You guys are so defensive. - alcaray - 4/9/2004 2:41:55 PM
        
        It wasn't meant to be a "your guy is worse" comment - Larry J - 4/9/2004 6:51:17 PM

Who's who in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 12:20:06 AM
- And what's going on... - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 1:09:52 AM
  - Scuttlebutt in Iraq... - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 6:25:04 AM
    - Fewmets don't hit the fan. - Mary Anne - 4/9/2004 3:31:50 PM
      - Hey, that does work a lot better. Thanks! - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 4:08:52 PM
        
        re: Hats off... - Fox - 4/9/2004 5:26:18 PM
        
        And while we're making a list... - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 6:05:06 PM
    - Are fewmets related to gimlets and figgins? - Tony - 4/9/2004 2:40:28 PM

The Move-On commercial I'd like to see . . . - Odin - 4/8/2004 6:05:36 AM
- So let me get this straight... - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 4:19:31 PM
  - If you learned that George Bush fathered a black child out of wedlock, would you be more or less likely to vote for him? - Odin - 4/8/2004 5:41:13 PM
    - re: If you learned that George Bush fathered a black child out of wedlock, would you be more or less likely to vote for him? - Publius - 4/9/2004 1:35:44 PM
- yeah, I would too. . . - Justin Kelly - 4/8/2004 7:01:07 AM
  - On the commons - Odin - 4/8/2004 7:49:23 AM
    - Lincoln's euphemism - FrankC - 4/8/2004 5:10:46 PM
      - re: Your fake Lincoln's euphemism - Odin - 4/8/2004 6:15:05 PM
        
        I'll let that lie here - FrankC - 4/8/2004 7:07:28 PM
        
        As I suspected, poor social skills - Odin - 4/8/2004 8:22:38 PM
        
        Potty mouth? - FrankC - 4/8/2004 11:38:44 PM
        
        Figuratively, and probably literally - Odin - 4/9/2004 7:19:01 AM
        
        Did you both regress to age 6? (n/t) - Tony - 4/9/2004 2:38:44 PM
        
        Communicating with children, or village idiots, or Koko, necessitates certain adjustments. (n/t) - Odin - 4/9/2004 5:34:03 PM
        
        It seems so - FrankC - 4/9/2004 3:37:54 PM

Enlightened, progressive United Nations rejects benefits for same-sex couples - m - 4/9/2004 5:05:16 PM

Sound bite - FrankC - 4/8/2004 5:51:15 AM
- Not 'nuff sed. How is that in error? - Bowser - 4/8/2004 12:36:00 PM
  - The myth about Halliburton - JReid - 4/8/2004 2:18:12 PM
    - And you think Halliburton and subsidiaries have ONE contract? - Bowser - 4/8/2004 4:43:00 PM
      - For you and alcaray's post below. - JReid - 4/8/2004 5:30:58 PM
        
        Mystifying - alcaray - 4/8/2004 6:14:15 PM
        
        re: Not so Mystifying - JReid - 4/8/2004 6:23:53 PM
        
        re: "My point was that the appearance of impropriety doesn't make it so." - alcaray - 4/8/2004 9:02:59 PM
        
        Just for the record - JReid - 4/8/2004 9:52:21 PM
        
        Halliburton's 2003 ranking: 35th - JReid - 4/8/2004 5:38:43 PM
        
        Sorry about the link above, old list. Here is 2003 list from same site - JReid - 4/8/2004 6:06:24 PM
    - Halliburton is a liberal reflex, kind of like a cow burp. Facts have little to do with it. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 4:22:09 PM
      - In public service there is often an effort to avoid even the appearance of impropriety - alcaray - 4/8/2004 4:54:49 PM
- And the hand that feeds it - Odin - 4/8/2004 7:39:19 AM
  - Lock Box? ROFLMAO - FrankC - 4/8/2004 5:00:46 PM
    - Simpletons are so easily amused. It's one of your charms. - Odin - 4/8/2004 9:33:27 PM
      - Then I take it you are amused.... - FrankC - 4/8/2004 11:31:38 PM
    - I'm trying to find this lie - alcaray - 4/8/2004 5:14:03 PM
      - re: I'm trying to find this lie - FrankC - 4/8/2004 7:01:45 PM
        
        re: I'm trying to find this lie - alcaray - 4/8/2004 10:48:08 PM
        
        taking the opportunity - FrankC - 4/8/2004 11:18:11 PM
        
        I still don't see the lie, but it is a reeking dead horse and let's leave the poor thing alone. - alcaray - 4/9/2004 2:48:02 PM
      - The government has been "borrowing" from Social Security for about 40 years - Larry J - 4/8/2004 6:57:02 PM
        
        I vaguely recall that it was the Carter admin - alcaray - 4/8/2004 9:36:54 PM
      - Hopes this helps. - JReid - 4/8/2004 6:47:36 PM

Lileks on Tom Daschle - Tom Brosz - 4/9/2004 6:04:13 AM

Yet to see this on any U.S. domestic news or BBC. - et - 4/8/2004 7:38:37 PM
- They better search those cars damn good. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 8:39:29 PM

Lets get this over with - Davin L. - 4/8/2004 2:37:09 AM
- The problems in Iraq aren't the Left's fault. - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 3:35:54 AM
  - How is it you guys think the Iraqis catch all the protest coverage but miss Bush's taunts? (n/t) - alcaray - 4/8/2004 2:42:02 PM
  - At least this time he didn't say it's Clinton's fault. A first!! - Bowser - 4/8/2004 4:30:44 AM
  - Don't understand the timing - Gary - 4/8/2004 3:59:13 AM
    - The idea of a diversion away from Iran is an interesting one. - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 4:12:38 AM
    - Have you noticed a trend in the Iraqi blogs? - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 4:09:08 AM
      - IMHO - Gary - 4/8/2004 5:41:32 AM
  - What is needed is to give these militias a "whiff of the grapshot", as Napoleon Bonaparte said. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/8/2004 3:50:26 AM
    - I believe that's happening as we speak... (n/t) - Gary - 4/8/2004 4:01:42 AM

BBC - "US struggles to quell Iraq revolt." - Bowser - 4/6/2004 8:33:08 PM
- Looks like the last cockroaches are finally pouring out of the woodwork. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/7/2004 12:15:48 AM
  - Yeah, I bookmarked that one.... (n/t) - Davin L. - 4/8/2004 12:46:23 AM
  - Seems like that has been said severl times this past year... - R.L. - 4/7/2004 5:27:22 AM
- Sources: Al-Sadr supporters take over Najaf - Bowser - 4/6/2004 8:54:06 PM
  - A Pentagon source has said up to 130 US troops have been killed in fierce fighting in Iraq. - Bowser - 4/6/2004 9:56:55 PM
    - Sounds like it's coming to a head. - Lee - 4/7/2004 6:37:23 AM
      - Because there's a finite supply people who hate us in Iraq - alcaray - 4/7/2004 11:09:27 PM
        
        re: Because there's a finite supply people who hate us in Iraq - Tom Brosz - 4/8/2004 1:05:18 AM
        
        Keep the faith, Tom (n/t) - alcaray - 4/8/2004 2:38:24 PM
      - better hope it's not coming to a start!..........n/t (n/t) - Publius - 4/7/2004 12:35:37 PM

Busting more myths of the right - Davin L. - 4/6/2004 3:14:15 PM
- Nice strawman - Larry J - 4/6/2004 5:00:19 PM
  - I don't think you should use that word until you know what it means - Davin L. - 4/6/2004 5:35:02 PM
    - Allow me to simplify - Tom Brosz - 4/6/2004 5:58:16 PM
      - If by simplify you mean... - Davin L. - 4/6/2004 6:26:04 PM
        
        re: If by simplify you mean... - Larry J - 4/6/2004 8:49:01 PM
        
        Okay, Larry- I know you don't actually read posts here form the left - Davin L. - 4/6/2004 9:33:05 PM
        
        Rather arbitrary - Larry J - 4/6/2004 10:03:34 PM
        
        Gee! LarryJ being disingenuous! Stop the presses! - Davin L. - 4/7/2004 1:27:50 AM
        
        Gee, Darwin is being as ass! Stop the presses! - Larry J - 4/7/2004 2:29:57 AM
        
        Darwin is an ass!? Oh my god! All these years I've wasted believing in evolution! - Davin L. - 4/7/2004 3:19:14 AM
        
        He meant "Derward"...er, Donald...um, Derrick... - Mary Anne - 4/8/2004 12:34:06 AM
        
        hmmm.... Maybe he'll use magic to summon up a leg to stand on (n/t) - Davin L. - 4/8/2004 2:20:38 AM
        
        re: Rather arbitrary - Tom Brosz - 4/7/2004 12:48:56 AM
        
        You may want to re-read the post - Tony - 4/6/2004 9:00:38 PM
      - Well, then simplify! Don't set up more strawmen. - Bowser - 4/6/2004 6:18:44 PM
        
        re: strawmen - Tom Brosz - 4/6/2004 6:25:36 PM
        
        "Ask any five people you meet if the rich pay any taxes" - Tony - 4/6/2004 7:05:37 PM
      - One bit of data - Tom Brosz - 4/6/2004 6:11:24 PM
        
        Thanks, that is interesting - Davin L. - 4/6/2004 6:30:32 PM
- also .. - Daniel - 4/6/2004 3:59:47 PM

Debate tactics - RobVG - 4/6/2004 7:04:06 PM
- Point-counterpoint, from the Onion. - jms - 4/7/2004 11:39:37 PM
- re: Debate tactics - gbaikie - 4/7/2004 4:24:16 AM
- WooHoo, this stuff is GOLD!! - McFly - 4/6/2004 8:38:33 PM
- Meanwhile, notice - Davin L. - 4/6/2004 7:22:19 PM
  - I think it was obvious to everyone that this list cut both ways. - Tom Brosz - 4/7/2004 12:20:26 AM
    - Delighted to see you read this, T. B. (n/t) - Bowser - 4/7/2004 4:14:17 AM
      - Why? It will just give him ideas on what to try next ;-) - Davin L. - 4/7/2004 4:40:59 AM
    - a few points - Davin L. - 4/7/2004 1:32:23 AM
  - Thanks for taking the time to do that. - Bowser - 4/6/2004 8:09:19 PM
  - ouch - RobVG - 4/6/2004 7:44:52 PM
    - okayokay - Davin L. - 4/6/2004 8:27:42 PM
    - I thought the author "John Hawkins" was an alter-ego for a poster here... - Tony - 4/6/2004 7:55:43 PM
- Superb!!! (n/t) - Bowser - 4/6/2004 7:09:06 PM
  - Superb irony, anyhoo - Odin - 4/6/2004 8:31:11 PM
    - Ya gotta love it. - Bowser - 4/7/2004 4:21:44 AM

The Manila Folder... a John F. Kerry retrospective - phil - 4/7/2004 5:57:15 PM
- "We love your adherence to democratic principle and to the democratic processes." -- Bush the Elder, to Marcos - Odin - 4/7/2004 10:48:41 PM
- Kerry decisiveness: present day - Tom Brosz - 4/7/2004 10:31:27 PM

Long-standing gov official accuses Bush of wrong-doing. - RobVG - 4/6/2004 6:27:12 PM
- most of this post has been redacted - jms - 4/7/2004 5:39:32 AM
- Spotting a trend yet? - Tony - 4/6/2004 6:57:24 PM
  - Yup - RobVG - 4/6/2004 7:32:23 PM
    - but above all......... - Tony - 4/6/2004 7:47:28 PM
      - Fair enough (n/t) - RobVG - 4/6/2004 7:52:52 PM
        
        Is anyone else here? - Tony - 4/6/2004 7:58:45 PM
        
        It is kind of quiet in here. - RobVG - 4/6/2004 8:15:30 PM
        
        Me? I'm doing my taxes - Tom Brosz - 4/7/2004 12:39:06 AM
        
        Calculus, no problem... differential equations, fun... relativity very fun, quantum mechanics, do-able... Quantum electro dynamics, painful but possible... - R.L. - 4/7/2004 8:57:27 AM
        
        Taxes? Piece of Cake. I Married an Accountant. - REB - 4/7/2004 8:29:42 PM
        
        Just finished mine - Davin L. - 4/7/2004 4:11:33 AM
    - Still wrong - Davin L. - 4/6/2004 7:41:25 PM
- Liars! Stinking filthy rotten Liars! (?) - Davin L. - 4/6/2004 6:48:56 PM
  - Emerging pattern? - RobVG - 4/6/2004 6:56:32 PM
    - re: Emerging pattern? - Davin L. - 4/6/2004 7:34:04 PM

Jane Fonda - David F Mayer - 4/5/2004 3:44:21 AM
- And exactly what made Vietnam worth 58,000 American lives? - Bowser - 4/5/2004 4:57:07 AM
  - The reason they died was made in vain the moment we pulled our forces out of the country. - Justin Kelly - 4/5/2004 2:27:06 PM
    - An absolutely correct answer, if - - - - Bowser - 4/5/2004 3:14:46 PM
      - Pretty good - S - 4/5/2004 7:56:14 PM
  - re: And exactly what made Vietnam worth 58,000 American lives? - David F Mayer - 4/5/2004 1:29:21 PM
  - What make Hanoi Jane worht the effort? - RNE - 4/5/2004 1:18:23 PM
    - Condeming someone who already experienced it, saw the ramification and lies and then denounced it.......... - Lindy - 4/5/2004 9:46:31 PM
      - re: Condeming someone who already experienced it, saw the ramification and lies and then denounced it.......... - RNE - 4/6/2004 12:32:10 PM
        
        Ya- a great thing we did in Vietnam...I mean if Vietnam had gone communist, then that would mean the end of the free world...oh wait, it did - R.L. - 4/7/2004 9:44:58 AM
        
        Kerry and Vietnam - Odin - 4/7/2004 12:19:14 AM
        
        I appreciate your insights as well - McFly - 4/6/2004 8:47:50 PM
        
        I would imagine........ - Lindy - 4/7/2004 5:12:54 AM
        
        Thanks for your point of view......... - Lindy - 4/6/2004 5:31:21 PM
      - Uhhh Lindy... - FrankC - 4/6/2004 12:25:42 AM

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