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Either you guys are being diplomatic - - Daniel - 2/13/2007 2:37:30 PM
- Is that lil camo dude your PM Howard? (n/t) - et - 2/13/2007 6:25:10 PM
  - Yeah. Thought it was supposed to be Cheney at first. (n/t) - TB - 2/13/2007 6:47:26 PM
    - Fair enough. The news made half a blip, maybe a 'ghost blip'. (n/t) - Daniel - 2/14/2007 3:19:59 AM
      - Incidentally, Howard was largely right. (n/t) - TB - 2/14/2007 3:54:35 AM
        
        This is about political interference, which has apparently irritated Repubs as well - Daniel - 2/14/2007 2:34:19 PM
        
        re: political interference - TB - 2/14/2007 5:58:41 PM

Al Sadr flies the coop - TB - 2/14/2007 4:04:00 AM
- You think they'll need to invade and capture him, like Osama? - Bowser - 2/14/2007 2:04:09 PM

Bush finally makes sense, has to follow Clinton's lead to do it. - Bowser - 2/14/2007 12:41:07 AM
- re: Bush makes sense - SteveS - 2/14/2007 4:26:55 AM
- The reality is that.... - Donald - 2/14/2007 2:53:33 AM
  - I must admit that the image of Clinton as a rodeo clown is pretty good... (n/t) - TB - 2/14/2007 5:53:44 AM
- Why don't we wait and see if it works? - TB - 2/14/2007 2:29:59 AM
  - Well, we know what doesn't work, don't we? And they DIDN'T have nukes. - Bowser - 2/14/2007 3:19:45 AM

Immigrants: Kill for America and become a US citizen - Eric - 2/14/2007 12:39:40 AM
- Oh come all ye Iraqis into the United States - Lindy - 2/14/2007 1:02:21 AM
  - Pueblo! Esto senal unos granada lanzadera! Cargar en canon! - Bowser - 2/14/2007 2:42:43 AM
    - Que dices? (n/t) - ER - 2/14/2007 2:52:34 AM
      - Beats the hell out of me. - Bowser - 2/14/2007 3:14:20 AM

What must be done in Iraq and domestically, if america wants to be a superpower still in 15 years - Dire Yeti - 2/12/2007 6:09:44 PM
- Oil - TB - 2/12/2007 7:28:36 PM
  - If Saudi Arabia and Iran go to war - Yeti - 2/12/2007 7:47:13 PM
    - Hey, buddy... - TB - 2/12/2007 8:06:03 PM
      - re: Hey, buddy... - Yeti - 2/12/2007 9:16:35 PM
        
        Bush and the rest - TB - 2/12/2007 9:57:44 PM
        
        re: Bush and the rest - Yeti - 2/13/2007 1:13:55 AM
        
        "Not how things would be." - TB - 2/13/2007 1:52:36 AM
        
        re: "Not how things would be." - Yeti - 2/13/2007 2:45:42 AM
        
        No, you missed the point completely. - TB - 2/13/2007 5:31:19 AM
        
        re: No, you missed the point completely. - Yeti - 2/13/2007 6:08:32 AM
        
        re: No, you missed the point completely. - TB - 2/13/2007 3:25:45 PM
        
        re: No, you missed the point completely. - Yeti - 2/13/2007 3:34:06 PM
        
        "Ideology." - TB - 2/13/2007 5:00:18 PM
        
        re: "Ideology." - Yeti - 2/13/2007 5:30:42 PM
        
        Cold War - TB - 2/13/2007 5:40:06 PM
        
        re: Cold War - Yeti - 2/13/2007 5:49:40 PM
        
        Nice try. - TB - 2/14/2007 2:52:21 AM
    - re: If Saudi Arabia and Iran go to war/Another Correction - Yeti - 2/12/2007 7:50:31 PM
- Getting off foreign oil.... - Laurie Street - 2/12/2007 6:45:46 PM
  - "Terror-free" oil.... - Fox - 2/13/2007 4:20:14 AM
  - A small bit of positive news on that... - TB - 2/12/2007 7:15:38 PM

"Russia and China, in turn, condemned the â€œone stateâ€ that refuses to consider a treaty banning space weapons " - Bowser - 2/13/2007 7:53:50 PM

'U.S. Contract Boss Facing New Heat" - seems to hit the ground crooked. - Bowser - 2/12/2007 9:42:55 PM
- C cubed. - Bowser - 2/13/2007 7:45:59 PM
- Well...she did work for George Bush - Donald - 2/13/2007 2:05:15 AM
  - Does work. And gave him $210,000. - Bowser - 2/13/2007 2:52:48 AM
- "Reign of Scandals Slow to End, GOPers Worry" - Bowser - 2/12/2007 9:45:22 PM

Bush Doctrine - Destabilize the Middle East - Bowser - 2/11/2007 7:53:20 PM
- Maybe Destabilizing the Middle East wouldn't be all bad. - ER - 2/12/2007 1:51:27 AM
  - A proven strategy. Like an infection in the foot attracts all the bactria. - Bowser - 2/12/2007 3:16:02 AM
    - How are all the Bactrians getting there? - LS - 2/13/2007 12:20:09 AM
      - "Wouldn't want them on my foot" - TB - 2/13/2007 12:30:46 AM
        
        "One hump, or two?" (n/t) - Fox - 2/13/2007 6:48:52 PM
    - Especially if one shoots themselves in the foot. (n/t) - Yeti - 2/12/2007 7:33:02 PM
- re: Destabilize the Middle East - TB - 2/11/2007 10:01:48 PM
  - re: Destabilize the Middle East - Laurie Street - 2/12/2007 12:34:52 AM
    - re: Destabilize the Middle East - TB - 2/12/2007 5:05:41 AM
      - re: Destabilize the Middle East - Laurie Street - 2/12/2007 4:37:58 PM
        
        Stability - TB - 2/12/2007 6:04:07 PM
  - Ironic. Bush to expand wars, elections were to limit and leave. - Bowser - 2/11/2007 11:43:27 PM
    - "Destabilize." - TB - 2/12/2007 12:04:15 AM
      - Chaos and anarchy with US troops in the middle ain't better than wobbly. - Bowser - 2/12/2007 3:23:31 AM

Putting it into perspective - Donald - 2/13/2007 3:14:50 AM
- I hope... - Jack Herer - 2/13/2007 6:21:55 PM
- A similar situation ... - Martha - 2/13/2007 4:56:29 PM
- Thanks for the link - azstrummer - 2/13/2007 3:55:21 PM
- re: Putting it into perspective - SteveS - 2/13/2007 3:50:47 PM
- re: Putting it into perspective - Lindy - 2/13/2007 3:19:36 PM

We're paying these people? Sounds as if they belong in foster care. - Bowser - 2/13/2007 6:01:48 PM

Encouraging news about Korea - Laurie Street - 2/12/2007 11:47:50 PM
- Why was that last crack necessary? It isn't even accurate. - TB - 2/13/2007 12:29:28 AM
  - Wow. That's a stretch even for you. World class. A real Snow Job. - Bowser - 2/13/2007 2:03:57 AM
    - You realize that didn't even make sense? - TB - 2/13/2007 2:10:52 AM
      - Sticking your fingers in your ears and singing isn't a rebuttal. - Bowser - 2/13/2007 2:27:01 AM
        
        Now I'm impressed. That made even less sense. (n/t) - TB - 2/13/2007 5:18:12 AM
        
        The lesson the world has learned from this. Clinton had it figured out. Chronology. - Bowser - 2/13/2007 3:30:19 PM
        
        Facts. - TB - 2/13/2007 4:52:39 PM

"US claims against Iran: why now? (A real) Analysis." - Bowser - 2/12/2007 4:09:10 PM
- re: Analysis - TB - 2/12/2007 5:50:08 PM
- Predictions from the Yeti Crystal Ball - Yeti - 2/12/2007 5:29:26 PM
  - re: Predictions from the Yeti Crystal Ball/CORRECTION - Yeti - 2/12/2007 7:32:16 PM
- This is very frightening - McFly - 2/12/2007 4:47:18 PM
  - I don 't think we can get out, McFly - Yeti - 2/12/2007 6:21:19 PM

Answer to all of our energy needs: Termites - Scott Evil - 2/12/2007 6:01:49 PM

Perspective on environmental catastrophe - TB - 2/11/2007 11:41:33 PM
- Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't after you - Laurie Street - 2/12/2007 12:33:40 AM
  - re: the development of some cheap, plentiful, non-polluting source of energy that uses vortices ===> Cellulose - Scott Evil - 2/12/2007 2:49:46 PM

Gates - surge "not the last chance". Petraeus - "Iraq is doomed" if surge fails. - Bowser - 2/11/2007 3:48:56 AM
- â€œFailing that, Iraq will be doomed to continued violence and civil strife." - Lee - 2/11/2007 6:08:19 AM
  - Well, if we had any common sense.... - Lindy - 2/11/2007 6:39:49 PM
    - Yeah, make love, not war! - LS - 2/11/2007 7:39:14 PM
      - re: Yeah, make love, not war! - Lindy - 2/12/2007 1:38:49 AM
  - Just exactly do you think "doomed" means if not continued violence? (n/t) - Bowser - 2/11/2007 6:28:41 AM
    - Anyone without a college education is doomed. - Lee - 2/11/2007 10:00:45 AM

Yet another candidate for 2008 - Krove - 2/10/2007 9:06:18 PM
- Cool! - TB - 2/11/2007 12:01:25 AM
  - You gotta admit... - R.L. - 2/11/2007 9:36:00 PM

Fun digging in the Democratic memory hole... - TB - 2/11/2007 1:33:14 AM
- The dumb bastards believed Bush. Now, dig out of the Iraq hole. - Bowser - 2/11/2007 3:35:21 AM
  - Did you catch the name of the intelligence expert quoted in the ABC News piece? (n/t) - TB - 2/11/2007 8:14:19 AM

Iran has proof of US meddling in Iraq. - Bowser - 2/11/2007 12:37:37 AM
- I'm sure Iran preferred Saddam next door. - TB - 2/11/2007 12:54:15 AM
  - Well, they may not have liked the US nerve gas Saddam used. (n/t) - Bowser - 2/11/2007 1:02:47 AM
    - You still actually believe that, don't you? - TB - 2/11/2007 1:16:53 AM
      - Tom, the reality is that you've been granted unlimited immunity. - Bowser - 2/11/2007 3:22:38 AM
        
        re: reality - TB - 2/11/2007 7:48:44 AM

Operation: Iraqi Slaughter - Eric - 2/10/2007 7:30:15 PM
- Wwwwwwat dddddid hhhhhhe sssssssay aggggin? (n/t) - Lindy - 2/11/2007 12:39:31 AM
- Jesse Macbeth is a fake. - TB - 2/11/2007 12:04:33 AM
  - I hope he is paid a visit by real army rangers.... - R.L. - 2/11/2007 5:23:05 AM

Devasting report on Iraq surge, considering the source. - Bowser - 2/10/2007 3:18:20 AM
- re: considering the source. - TB - 2/10/2007 4:11:56 AM
  - They looked to be US Army personnel, enlisted. On active duty. - Bowser - 2/10/2007 4:37:29 AM
    - Odd you don't find any of the interviews with Iraqi troops that I've posted to be convincing. (n/t) - TB - 2/10/2007 6:06:38 AM
      - Mostly because the totality of the evidence points away from your claims. - Bowser - 2/10/2007 9:58:14 PM
        
        Any idiot can doubt. Analysis is harder. (n/t) - TB - 2/11/2007 12:06:45 AM

Hackers attack key Net traffic computers - TB - 2/7/2007 2:34:51 AM
- Cows with guns? (n/t) - ER - 2/7/2007 3:18:30 AM
  - You mean Cowmoonists? (n/t) - :) sorry - 2/7/2007 12:44:37 PM
    - No..., Bullsheviks. (n/t) - ER - 2/7/2007 2:36:45 PM
      - Trotterskyites? No, wait. That's horses. Maybe pigs. Dang, never mind. (n/t) - TB - 2/7/2007 5:50:43 PM
        
        Red Heifers - ER - 2/7/2007 6:06:06 PM
        
        Or maybe even... - ER - 2/7/2007 11:49:39 PM
        
        Udder nonsense (n/t) - R.L. - 2/8/2007 5:50:40 AM
        
        Bull-oney...lets' keep going... (n/t) - Martha - 2/8/2007 2:17:49 PM
        
        Perhaps we should just steer the conversation in another direction. (n/t) - ER - 2/8/2007 4:42:03 PM
        
        Should we keep milking it, or moove it along? (n/t) - REB - 2/8/2007 5:48:57 PM
        
        You herd me the first time... - ER - 2/8/2007 6:11:57 PM
        
        "Cowabunga Dude" (n/t) - Bart Simpson - 2/9/2007 12:28:20 PM
        
        Its' a peaceful cow-existence (n/t) - Old Mac Donald - 2/9/2007 12:29:33 PM
        
        No! We will never cowtow to bullying. (n/t) - ER - 2/9/2007 1:53:16 PM
        
        Okay...I will cow-operate (n/t) - Martha - 2/9/2007 2:22:39 PM
        
        You better, or the Moo-jahadeen will be upset (n/t) - :-( - 2/10/2007 12:37:07 AM
        
        Not to mention their head moolah, Ayatolla Kohmoonie. (n/t) - ER - 2/10/2007 8:53:41 PM

Time to call "nonsense" on training Iraqi army and police. - Bowser - 2/7/2007 2:30:44 AM
- re: Time to call "nonsense" on training Iraqi army and police. - gbaikie - 2/7/2007 7:31:11 AM
  - During real wars, we've done a lot better than that. - alcaray - 2/8/2007 12:02:17 AM
    - A little thing called culture comes into play. - Lee - 2/8/2007 8:54:56 AM
      - Perhaps your statement speaks to effectiveness. But it does not speak to numbers (which is what Geoff and I were talking about). (n/t) - alcaray - 2/8/2007 4:56:54 PM
    - re: During real wars, we've done a lot better than that. - gbaikie - 2/8/2007 4:08:45 AM
      - huh? (n/t) - alcaray - 2/8/2007 4:54:42 PM
        
        Sorry, I was dense. - alcaray - 2/8/2007 8:08:59 PM
        
        re: Sorry, I was dense. - gbaikie - 2/9/2007 12:14:04 AM
- You and the buttmonkeys at MSNBC are really worried this might work, aren't you? (n/t) - TB - 2/7/2007 2:40:08 AM
  - Please. The military and the Iraqis deserve better. Now what about the "training"? - Bowser - 2/7/2007 2:52:16 AM
    - re:The line - SteveS - 2/7/2007 3:09:24 PM
      - By the numbers. - Bowser - 2/7/2007 3:43:26 PM
        
        re: By the numbers. - SteveS - 2/7/2007 6:42:24 PM
        
        And bookmark the thread. - Bowser - 2/7/2007 7:36:35 PM
        
        re: And bookmark the thread. - SteveS - 2/8/2007 4:03:02 AM
        
        If we put you down in the Bush-supporter column, will you throw a hissy like Tom? (n/t) - alcaray - 2/8/2007 10:27:44 PM
        
        re:Canâ€™t we just debate the topics? - SteveS - 2/9/2007 2:37:19 PM
        
        I was teasing Tom. (n/t) - alcaray - 2/9/2007 5:55:47 PM
        
        re:You bully ;-) (n/t) - SteveS - 2/10/2007 3:43:44 PM
        
        I dont always agree Bow.... - Tony - 2/7/2007 10:09:38 PM
        
        "see if for once Conservatives are correct" - Laurie Street - 2/7/2007 8:24:04 PM
        
        for some, that's all it's about (n/t) - SteveS - 2/7/2007 8:35:36 PM
        
        That's all it's ever been about. - TB - 2/7/2007 8:54:12 PM
        
        For way too many people, half the planet could burn as long as Bush holds the matches. - Tony - 2/7/2007 10:07:55 PM
        
        ...as long as Bush holds the matches. - TB - 2/8/2007 3:54:56 AM
        
        Did I even mention you? - Tony - 2/8/2007 2:55:42 PM
        
        re: Did I even mention you? - SteveS - 2/8/2007 8:21:55 PM
        
        Still not true. - TB - 2/8/2007 3:41:37 PM
        
        If you don't think there has been a sea change on opinion on Iraq in last three months, not much more I can say. (n/t) - Tony - 2/8/2007 4:37:20 PM
        
        re: a sea change on opinion on Iraq - TB - 2/8/2007 5:03:21 PM
        
        I needed to be more specific - Tony - 2/8/2007 6:22:35 PM
        
        re: a sea change on opinion on Iraq - Yeti - 2/8/2007 6:03:09 PM
        
        No. - TB - 2/8/2007 8:24:36 PM
        
        re: No. - Yeti - 2/9/2007 12:07:57 AM
        
        Well, we'll just have to wait and see. (n/t) - Bowser - 2/7/2007 7:21:39 PM
        
        Link. - TB - 2/7/2007 5:48:17 PM

PTL for investigations - "U.S. probe: Guantanamo detainees not beaten" - Bowser - 2/10/2007 5:05:55 AM
- What do you think the detainees would have said? - TB - 2/10/2007 6:11:34 AM
  - Now, lessee. Say a guard says he heard some guards talking about routinely raping women prisoners. - Bowser - 2/10/2007 6:54:26 AM
    - It's so easy when your imagination is your only link to reality, isn't it? - TB - 2/10/2007 7:32:11 AM
      - It's customary to interview victims. Why not talk to them? Unless you're afraid? - Bowser - 2/10/2007 7:47:56 AM
        
        re:Why not talk to them? - SteveS - 2/10/2007 3:42:13 PM

"Despite denials, Pentagon plans for possible attack on (Iranian) nuclear sites are well advanced ." - Bowser - 2/10/2007 6:31:54 AM
- Pentagon plans for possible attack - TB - 2/10/2007 7:27:47 AM
  - "It is absolutely parallel. They're using the same dance steps - - - - Bowser - 2/10/2007 7:39:29 AM

Case for war deliberately trumped up - Donald - 2/9/2007 2:40:33 PM
- And now, as always, the Rest of the Story. - TB - 2/10/2007 2:02:40 AM
  - "We know where they are." Donald Rumsfeld. - Bowser - 2/10/2007 2:42:42 AM
    - The news story was mostly crap. - TB - 2/10/2007 2:51:53 AM
      - You've said that about everything re Iraq. Literally. - Bowser - 2/10/2007 4:34:48 AM
        
        Bowser. This news story was crap. - TB - 2/10/2007 6:29:16 AM
- Bush's legacy - "The Middle East is in the worst condition I have ever seen." - Bowser - 2/9/2007 6:14:22 PM
  - "The Middle East is in the worst condition I have ever seen." - TB - 2/9/2007 10:15:08 PM
  - Pouring gas on a fire. Bush using Kurds in Baghdad "surge". - Bowser - 2/9/2007 7:52:02 PM
- Due diligence - Bowser - 2/9/2007 3:23:21 PM
- Meanwhile: 3,118 - Donald - 2/9/2007 2:42:01 PM

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