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flip-flop-flip-flop-flip-flop plop. come on, who thinks Kerry is serious? - ebnelson - 9/24/2004 3:40:24 PM
- about 49% of the population (n/t) - E.P. Grondine - 9/24/2004 8:37:39 PM
  - Not according to the latest polls, and it will be interesting to see the polls after Kerry's big foreign policy week. He only flip-flopped twice, and dissed our allies. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/25/2004 3:29:07 AM
  - re: Including some Democrats I know. (Two are from Mass.) (n/t) - Marcia - 9/25/2004 2:06:03 AM

Ivan, Charley and Ivan are sending a clear message to Florida - Jack Herer - 9/24/2004 2:57:04 PM
- on the message.......... - Publius - 9/24/2004 8:47:14 PM
- Yes, don't be intimidated by hot air and blow hards. ;^) (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/24/2004 3:06:01 PM
  - So you're saying don't listen to Bush, thanks. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/24/2004 9:37:17 PM
    - Thinking more of hurricanes Dan & Kerry, but nice try. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/25/2004 3:27:52 AM

Cat Stevens - Raoul - 9/23/2004 7:28:28 PM
- America typically persecutes the extremes. - Bowser - 9/23/2004 9:08:35 PM
  - You must be a reader of that rag, "Mother Jones". - Jacob Samorodin - 9/23/2004 9:23:46 PM
    - I agree with you completely. And if one ignores their faults, they are doomed to repeat their mistakes. - Bowser - 9/23/2004 11:46:30 PM
  - re: America typically persecutes the extremes. - Raoul - 9/23/2004 9:16:24 PM
    - Religion of Peace Summary for the clueless - phil - 9/24/2004 2:39:19 AM
      - Did people claiming to be Christians murder or collude in the murder of 6 million Jews? - Mary Anne - 9/24/2004 1:25:39 PM
        
        Not very many. And please tell me how many Christian theologians sought to justify it? - ebnelson - 9/24/2004 4:32:47 PM
        
        how many Christian theologians ignored or refused to condemn it? (n/t) - Tony - 9/24/2004 5:23:44 PM
        
        The PC goggles - p - 9/25/2004 1:07:04 AM
        
        re: The sectarian hatred goggles - Mary Anne - 9/25/2004 2:55:48 AM
      - Did people citing that they were Christians following their religion... - Bwoser - 9/24/2004 5:58:24 AM
        
        thanks for demonstrating your 'debate' style (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/24/2004 3:08:03 PM
      - re: The clueless - Raoul - 9/24/2004 5:43:21 AM
        
        Peace train - gbaikie - 9/24/2004 5:10:00 PM
        
        I declare a fatwah on the following - R.L. - 9/24/2004 8:31:43 PM
    - Please show me the Christian genocides going on, Raoul? - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 9:21:31 PM
  - So keeping a supporter of murder and terror out is persecution now? - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 9:15:17 PM
  - Do you even like America? - REB - 9/23/2004 9:13:26 PM
    - I know Bowser, this probably belongs on Flame. - REB - 9/23/2004 9:51:24 PM
    - re: I've seen the US, yes sir... - Raoul - 9/23/2004 9:37:58 PM
      - Understanding the extreme of American Christianity - E.P. Grondine - 9/24/2004 1:43:32 AM
      - re: I've seen the US, yes sir... - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 10:19:35 PM
      - That was addressed to Bowser, not you Raoul - REB - 9/23/2004 9:45:05 PM
    - He loves America the way a wife beater loves his wife. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 9:16:49 PM
      - re: He loves America the way a wife beater loves his wife. - REB - 9/23/2004 9:25:44 PM
        
        I just don't hear that from Raoul - Art Martin - 9/23/2004 9:44:18 PM
        
        The reference was to Bowser - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 10:12:28 PM
        
        Not Raoul, Bowser. - REB - 9/23/2004 9:48:04 PM
- Gotta agree with the others on this one Raoul - Art Martin - 9/23/2004 8:47:53 PM
  - re: Freedoms - Raoul - 9/23/2004 9:11:05 PM
    - Noted - Art Martin - 9/23/2004 9:38:59 PM
      - re: Noted - Raoul - 9/23/2004 9:42:58 PM
    - Whatever, Raoul. You can't even acknowledge his real name. - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 9:13:34 PM
- He is not Cat Stevens, nor has he been for many years. Why would he revert back to a name he legally dropped? Perhaps because 'Yousef Islam' says a bit more than he wants us to think? - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 8:37:29 PM
- Save the indignation for something deserving of it - R.L. - 9/23/2004 8:25:16 PM
- re: Cat Stevens - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/23/2004 7:42:23 PM
- re: Cat Stevens - Jacob Samorodin - 9/23/2004 7:32:34 PM

What I don't get - LJ - 9/23/2004 4:27:10 PM
- Probably not very many. Throwing money at a problem seldom works. - David F Mayer - 9/24/2004 4:30:02 AM
- Conservatives don't REALLY get upset over violent American deaths. - Bowser - 9/23/2004 8:21:21 PM
  - I noticed - LJ - 9/23/2004 10:27:33 PM
    - They are being treated exactly as long standing military protocol directs. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 10:43:13 PM
  - Thanks for the content free post, Bowser. - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 9:26:23 PM
    - Probably belongs on Flame, if anywhere, eb. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/23/2004 9:39:14 PM
  - What you don't understand is that we are not going to sit here and let terrorist attack our country - REB - 9/23/2004 9:12:00 PM
    - Yes Bowser, this probably belongs on Flame - REB - 9/23/2004 9:49:31 PM
- My point is... - LJ - 9/23/2004 7:28:18 PM
  - "The less you know the better you sleep..." - RobVG - 9/25/2004 2:55:04 AM
  - The 9/11 attacks did about a trillion dollars worth of damage to the US economy... - Larry J - 9/23/2004 8:19:44 PM
    - Much of the economic damage was because of the fear. - Art Martin - 9/23/2004 10:42:27 PM
    - 9-11 was from their point of view brilliant. And Bush has fallen into OBLs trap, big time. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/23/2004 9:09:54 PM
      - Yes, they wanted to lose the country they ran the financial network they had and the mansions they lived in. - ebenlson - 9/23/2004 10:16:42 PM
        
        Haven't lost it yet. Seem to be able to leave if they prefer to be elsewhere. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/23/2004 10:44:37 PM
  - re: Fear - Raoul - 9/23/2004 7:58:10 PM
- Spending - Tom Brosz - 9/23/2004 4:48:06 PM
- Because terrorism effects much more than just death counts - Scott Evil - 9/23/2004 4:44:59 PM
- Life has a 100% mortality rate. No one gets out of here alive. - Larry J - 9/23/2004 4:43:47 PM
- That is why statisticians are not running the world. - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 4:33:03 PM
  - I would think you would be right if....... - Tony - 9/23/2004 4:38:48 PM
    - You might want to read the link in Tom's post below... - Larry J - 9/23/2004 5:16:16 PM
      - Still some good evidence that OBL and Iraq were linked - REB - 9/23/2004 9:21:22 PM
        
        One other thing. - REB - 9/23/2004 9:31:08 PM
    - If we want to break up terror, Iraq is the current theatre of operations - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 5:08:50 PM
      - Well duh. - Tony - 9/23/2004 5:21:00 PM
        
        Where would the theater of operations be otherwise? - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2004 12:35:13 AM
        
        So Saddam was not a major player in terrorism prior to our invasion? - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 6:57:51 PM
        
        re: So Saddam was not a major player in terrorism prior to our invasion? - Tony - 9/23/2004 7:07:41 PM
        
        My fears of WMDs? - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 7:17:31 PM
        
        You can make a case that we should have feared Saddams WMDs and terrorism prior to the war - alcaray - 9/23/2004 9:49:57 PM
        
        no yes no? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/23/2004 7:04:50 PM
        
        Not only that - alcaray - 9/23/2004 6:48:15 PM
        
        Orders of magnitude more Iraqis died from Saddam than are dying now. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 6:58:45 PM
        
        I'm sure the families of Iraqis killed by imported terrorists feel much better for that thought (n/t) - Tony - 9/23/2004 7:09:17 PM
        
        you may need to remind them of that, over the years (n/t) - alcaray - 9/23/2004 7:03:59 PM
        
        It seems, if one were to actually listen to Allawi, that they do. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 7:19:42 PM
        
        Yes, today. Check in 10 years from now and see if they still like us. - alcaray - 9/23/2004 9:51:25 PM
        
        Kind of like France? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2004 2:41:09 AM
        
        No. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/24/2004 2:49:10 PM

Journalism in Iraq - Raoul - 9/24/2004 10:27:49 PM

Bush creates deniablility - again. - Bowser - 9/23/2004 7:15:40 PM
- Signs of Iraqi victory... - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2004 2:37:15 AM
  - More signs of Iraqi victory... - Bowser - 9/24/2004 5:44:32 AM
    - Good post. - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2004 6:07:38 AM
- re: Bowser creates deniablility - again. - SteveS - 9/23/2004 9:55:21 PM
  - If you would track, focus, comprehend, you would see you completely missed the point. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/24/2004 2:45:32 AM
    - Your way of conceding your point doesn't work (n/t) - SteveS - 9/24/2004 9:36:39 PM
- Puppet Productions - Derek - 9/23/2004 9:54:49 PM
  - That's funny! (n/t) - Bowser - 9/24/2004 5:59:54 AM
- Why would someone who claims to tell the truth call a UN recognized and authorized government 'puppet'? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 7:18:51 PM
  - Because it's a puppet. UN recognition doesn't change that. - Bowser - 9/23/2004 7:30:48 PM
    - So you wish. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 8:38:16 PM
      - I described a puppet. Do you have any content, anything to counter what I said? - Bowser - 9/23/2004 8:42:28 PM
        
        Whoosh, over your head. - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 8:52:20 PM
        
        Nothing? You got nothing? - Bowser - 9/23/2004 9:05:09 PM
        
        You speak and remove all doubt. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 9:16:00 PM

I'd like to post an editorial. A 'blog'. if you will; as you call it, Tom. - Jacob Samorodin - 9/23/2004 8:30:31 PM
- We don't need a draft for anything less tha full mobilization - FrankC - 9/24/2004 3:10:09 AM
  - I'd have to agree that there are large/huge numbers of Americans who are ready and willing to serve. - Jacob Samorodin - 9/24/2004 4:15:26 PM
    - re: Hold your horses...We got rid of 3 terrorist states in 3 years... - Scott Evil - 9/24/2004 8:36:50 PM
      - O....K...I counted two, but I'll take your word for it. - Jacob Samorodin - 9/24/2004 8:57:51 PM
        
        re: You're forgeting Libia! - Scott Evil - 9/24/2004 9:30:54 PM

Lileks on Kerry - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2004 6:20:52 AM
- Kerry all but called Allawi a liar yesterday - Larry J - 9/24/2004 1:52:01 PM
  - And that's the problem. He did, bigtime and obviously. If these guys would tell the truth - - - - Bowser - 9/24/2004 2:28:29 PM
    - 'Iraq is a terror state' Not. - ebnelson - 9/24/2004 2:52:48 PM
    - Critical Readin skills are not yuor style, I guess. - ebnelson - 9/24/2004 2:47:23 PM
  - And Kerry thinks this is Presidential? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/24/2004 2:21:27 PM
  - An example on how Kerry plans to work with Allies? - REB - 9/24/2004 2:17:39 PM
- re: Inflexibility and rectitude AKA Bush... - Chris Vancil - 9/24/2004 8:56:03 AM
  - You are off message, Chris - ebnelson - 9/24/2004 12:14:40 PM
    - re: You are simple. A person can both flip flop and be on other things inflexibility... - Chris Vancil - 9/24/2004 9:24:49 PM
- Considerably less generous commentarys on Kerry... - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2004 6:33:47 AM
  - That's "commentaries." Time to turn off AutoCAD and call it a night. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2004 6:36:04 AM

Rumsfeld on Iraqi (at the Senate Armed Services Committee) - Chris Vancil - 9/24/2004 7:23:35 AM
- So now you rely on Al Jazeera? - ebnelson - 9/24/2004 12:18:49 PM
  - re:As I noted 2o other outlets reported on this and Rumsfeld said what he said...who's dishonest, Ed? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/24/2004 9:20:29 PM

Hmmm. "U.S. Hand Seen in Afghan Election" - Bowser - 9/23/2004 8:13:37 PM
- Afgan Election...Say it again! I like the sound of it. (n/t) - Scott Evil - 9/24/2004 8:37:55 PM
- Is this very different from the DNC twisting courts to keep Nader off ballot? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 10:44:05 PM

Kerry in an act of his own unique style of diplomacy - Scott Evil - 9/24/2004 4:45:14 PM

1,043 - Donald - 9/24/2004 1:28:48 PM
- Courage. (n/t) - Scott Evil - 9/24/2004 4:28:10 PM
- Good spam, thanks (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/24/2004 2:15:10 PM

NBC poll: Bush holds narrow lead - Bowser - 9/23/2004 12:16:03 AM
- And in the meantime, Kerry cancels advertising buys... - Larry J - 9/23/2004 1:54:42 PM
  - Free ads - Art Martin - 9/23/2004 4:53:33 PM
  - re: Kerry canceled his trip to Davenport today. - Scott Evil - 9/23/2004 3:20:42 PM
    - I heard him on the radio. His voice is just about gone. - Larry J - 9/23/2004 3:48:35 PM
- In California, Voters Stay in Kerry's Corner - Bowser - 9/23/2004 5:05:07 AM
  - This is from the same polling outfit... - Larry J - 9/23/2004 2:07:28 PM
    - re: If Kerry did fall behind in California it would be a complete meltdown... (n/t) - Scott Evil - 9/23/2004 3:25:23 PM
- Iraq War Leads Jewish Voters To Kerry, Poll Finds - Bowser - 9/23/2004 12:25:24 AM
  - I wonder why the Jewish vote tends to be so Liberal. - Scott Evil - 9/23/2004 3:29:40 PM
    - Republicans, Christian fundamentalists, Jews and the Second Coming. - Mary Anne - 9/24/2004 2:41:15 PM
    - This might be residual "political correctness" - Gary - 9/23/2004 3:45:06 PM
      - One Jew's answer - Fox - 9/24/2004 2:18:40 PM

More signs of victory - to Congress, "Allawi described Baghdad as "very good and safe." - Bowser - 9/24/2004 5:54:26 AM
- Kerry Kampaign depends on only bad things happening - ebnelson - 9/24/2004 12:22:09 PM
- "never happy unless it's raining." - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2004 6:16:44 AM

Vital to the US National interest - Raoul - 8/16/2004 1:06:27 PM
- Best of intentions - Worst of results - Art Martin - 8/16/2004 4:29:26 PM
  - re: Best of intentions - Worst of results - Raoul - 8/16/2004 7:16:36 PM
    - It's like the Iraq war. - Bowser - 8/16/2004 8:02:53 PM
      - re: It's like the Iraq war. (n/t) - jacki - 9/24/2004 12:08:44 PM
  - Does the Prime Directive apply to the Borg? - Tom Brosz - 8/16/2004 5:37:52 PM
- Maybe if Kerry is elected, he can pull all US troops out of the Middle East so that the Middle Easterners can control their own destiny. - P. Snick - 8/16/2004 4:12:38 PM
- Sadr is not equivalent to "The Shiites" - Tom Brosz - 8/16/2004 3:34:50 PM
  - Are you sure Clinton isn't responsible too? (n/t) - Bowser - 8/16/2004 4:15:53 PM
- Those policies... - John - 8/16/2004 1:40:45 PM
- That's disturbing. (n/t) - Bowser - 8/16/2004 1:32:53 PM

Pentagon tries to block Overseas Expat Voters? - Chris Vancil - 9/24/2004 7:13:25 AM

A Year and a Half Later (Iraq: National Intelligence Estimate) - Chris Vancil - 9/24/2004 7:02:30 AM

Tracing the path of Bush's 'nomadic years' - Chris Vancil - 9/23/2004 8:03:25 AM
- I beg you DNC fools, keep up this flawed line of attack (n/t) - p - 9/24/2004 2:42:15 AM
- The Democrats are getting desperate: Bringing up old crap of questionable veracity. - David F Mayer - 9/23/2004 3:43:32 PM
  - re: Desperate? This report was in the works for over five years. Note when we hit a sore point they bring out desperate and old news. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/23/2004 10:20:42 PM
- Most victims of a con, like the con that 'Bush was awol' fall for it because the lie feeds their pre-existing desire. - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 12:41:38 PM
  - Shut your eyes real tight, say it over and over and over again, wish upon a star, and you'll believe it. - Bowser - 9/23/2004 1:53:42 PM
    - You are asking that I do something the anti-Bush cult has done for years. No thanks, pup. - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 4:20:00 PM
    - And once again, you prove the saying... - Larry J - 9/23/2004 2:49:08 PM
      - You beat me to it - Gary - 9/23/2004 3:18:42 PM
        
        re: I think Hillary could win in 2008. - Scott Evil - 9/23/2004 3:23:56 PM
        
        Scott, we seem to be playing "Ping Pong". I'll shut up now. (n/t) - Gary - 9/23/2004 3:34:31 PM
      - re: let them bring it up again and again... - Scott Evil - 9/23/2004 3:16:04 PM
        
        The abyss and Hillary - Gary - 9/23/2004 3:32:56 PM

1,040 - Donald - 9/23/2004 1:38:37 AM
- Three deathgasms in a day, Don. You should consider a snuff flick - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 2:18:14 AM
  - You're falling into the trap - Art Martin - 9/23/2004 4:27:58 PM
    - Sons and duaghters of the poor? I think you may have fallen in yourself. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 7:00:26 PM
      - I personally know 3 middle class serving in the Middle East. - REB - 9/23/2004 7:28:13 PM
        
        re: I personally know 3 middle class serving in the Middle East. - Art Martin - 9/23/2004 11:11:52 PM
  - Excuse me but... - Donald - 9/23/2004 1:30:05 PM
    - Tell that to the gullible sheep. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 4:23:21 PM
- Meanwhile: The quagmire persists - Donald - 9/23/2004 1:41:10 AM
  - Don, please let Al Qaeda know you are egging them on, and how much you get off on their killings - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 2:21:53 AM
    - Hey Ed - Robert - 9/23/2004 3:47:55 AM
      - Will do. - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 4:27:03 PM
    - Overkill, Ed. Ignore it if it's easier on you. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/23/2004 2:51:01 AM
    - Jeez Ed... - RobVG - 9/23/2004 2:37:22 AM
      - Don seems to revel in it. - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 2:56:49 AM
        
        re: Don seems to revel in it. - Chris Vancil - 9/23/2004 8:34:37 AM
        
        Maybe so. - RobVG - 9/23/2004 3:04:10 AM
        
        re: Maybe so. - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 3:20:26 AM
        
        Yeah. - RobVG - 9/23/2004 4:05:15 AM
        
        Better duck and cover, Rob. The mob has been summoned. (n/t) - Davin L. - 9/23/2004 3:37:45 PM
        
        Not the mob...the pack. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/23/2004 5:31:16 PM
        
        re: Yeah. - gbaikie - 9/23/2004 10:37:52 AM
        
        re: Yeah. - Tom Brosz - 9/23/2004 6:38:23 AM
        
        re: Yeah. - REB - 9/23/2004 11:47:03 AM

Kerry sets the Record Straight! - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/23/2004 9:12:20 PM
- So I guess Kerry has the terrorist vote all sewn up - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 9:19:36 PM

Der Flippendy-Floppender, doesn't know if he's coming or going. - Bowser - 9/23/2004 4:54:33 AM
- the Kerry Koolaid Kids are so derivative, they can't even do an original put down. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 4:22:21 PM
  - No content. Probably belongs on Flame. (n/t) - Bowse - 9/23/2004 5:28:35 PM
    - Well then, post your stuff there. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 8:53:54 PM

Kerry Plays the Draft Card - Larry J - 9/22/2004 9:43:37 PM
- Except that he didn't - Tony - 9/23/2004 5:28:43 PM
  - Imagine that, misleading info from the Press - Larry J - 9/23/2004 8:26:47 PM
- By refering to democrap sponsored legislation, this may be another scam Kerry regrets. - ebnelson - 9/22/2004 11:34:39 PM
- re: the Draft Card - Tom Brosz - 9/22/2004 11:25:52 PM
- With the Bush/NoPlan, it's either a draft or people dying in an undermanned mission. - Bowser - 9/22/2004 9:51:10 PM
  - Of course with Kerry and his charge to the rear, we will be safer. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/22/2004 10:14:22 PM
  - re: Right... - Scott Evil - 9/22/2004 9:53:25 PM
    - It was a long war. Lots of presidents and generals claimed the same thing. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/22/2004 11:25:56 PM
      - At one time there were 555,000 American troops in Vietnam. - Bowser - 9/23/2004 1:00:32 AM
        
        re: So more troops could have won Vietnam? - Scott Evil - 9/23/2004 3:00:46 PM
- re: He thinks he can scare the 18-24 year old voters to the polls. - Scott Evil - 9/22/2004 9:48:19 PM
  - re: He thinks he can scare the 18-24 year old voters to the polls. - Art Martin - 9/22/2004 11:19:09 PM
    - They've actually sponsored two pieces of legislation - Larry J - 9/23/2004 1:39:06 PM

Michael Novak on the coming critical months in Iraq and America - Tom Brosz - 9/23/2004 7:36:57 AM
- Najaf - "Americans did not have to fight their way in, they were begged to come in, - - - " - Bowser - 9/23/2004 11:36:43 AM
  - I guess chronolgy is a tough thing for you to follow. Good luck. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 4:21:09 PM
  - re: Najaf - Tom Brosz - 9/23/2004 3:59:14 PM
    - If "Stumps don't lie!" then neither do bodies. Gee whiz!!! (n/t) - Bowser - 9/23/2004 8:17:00 PM

Kerry may really wish he did not bring Vietnam up - ebnelson - 9/23/2004 7:09:51 PM

The Sword is Mightier than the Pen - gbaikie - 9/22/2004 11:10:05 AM
- Terrorists are essentially free to censor news coverage or even alter it by intimidation whereas Coalition Forces are strictly forbidden from even thinking about it." - Bowser - 9/22/2004 11:51:20 AM
  - Dog training - gbaikie - 9/22/2004 1:54:47 PM
    - You seemed to be quoting because you agreed with the words. - alcaray - 9/22/2004 9:18:03 PM
      - re: You seemed to be quoting because you agreed with the words. - gbaikie - 9/23/2004 12:58:32 AM
        
        Be nice if we could forgive folks for being reasonably confused - alcaray - 9/23/2004 3:13:58 PM
        
        re: Be nice if we could forgive folks for being reasonably confused - gbaikie - 9/23/2004 4:36:20 PM
        
        What you refer to occurred before any evidence of confusion - alcaray - 9/23/2004 6:52:47 PM
    - re: its so tempting to dog pile the poor pooch. - Scott Evil - 9/22/2004 1:57:39 PM

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