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What's happening in Najaf: beats the heck out of me. - Tom Brosz - 8/21/2004 5:23:38 AM
- The puppet gov't threw the journalists out. (n/t) - Bowser - 8/21/2004 11:09:03 PM
- Its really very simple.... - Donald - 8/21/2004 5:40:15 PM
  - This administration has proven it can solve such - p - 8/21/2004 7:10:13 PM
- Sadr's media manipulation tactics - phil - 8/21/2004 2:48:46 PM
- Quick rundown Najaf & Iman Ali Shrine - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/21/2004 8:21:20 AM
  - X-Ray laser from orbit. But that's just me. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/21/2004 8:24:48 AM
    - Dang. That was fast. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/21/2004 8:40:00 AM

"Bush Promises to Offer Detailed Plans at Convention" He wants to run on "gonna dos"? - Bowser - 8/21/2004 10:58:02 PM

OK. We're fighting the Shias, and the Sunnis. Who's left? - Bowser - 8/21/2004 8:59:31 PM

George Bush Shares His Lessons From Vietnam - Donald - 8/21/2004 6:20:55 PM

"Shut up, shut up, SHUT UP!!" - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 9:36:42 PM
- To be fair, check this out from the Republicans a few months ago... - Tom Brosz - 8/21/2004 3:49:02 AM
- That's an FEC (Federal Election Commission) report, not FCC - Larry J - 8/20/2004 9:46:30 PM
  - What would you have the man do? - Art Martin - 8/20/2004 11:18:21 PM
    - The "high road" - Tom Brosz - 8/21/2004 3:39:55 AM
    - Scenario 3: Kerry releases his records - p - 8/21/2004 1:43:20 AM
    - Ever Hear of Farenheight 911? - Mark Eby - 8/20/2004 11:55:41 PM
      - hmm do we have video of Kerry staring dumbfounded on his swift boat? - Art Martin - 8/21/2004 4:01:33 AM
        
        Wow. Hard to know where to even start on this one. - Tom Brosz - 8/21/2004 6:07:43 AM
        
        I Don't Care To Share An Idiot's Vision Of A Better Place - Mark Eby - 8/21/2004 4:12:26 AM
      - Moore's a loose cannon. Doesn't need political benefactors. - Art Martin - 8/21/2004 12:05:58 AM
        
        Loose cannon seated next to Pres Carter at Dem Convention - p - 8/21/2004 1:44:45 AM
        
        You're surprised that some Dems like him? lol - Art Martin - 8/21/2004 3:33:17 AM
        
        That is more than the evidence of 'conspiracy' Kerry is claiming with SBVFT. (n/t) - ebnelson - 8/21/2004 4:40:05 PM
        
        That's About The Level Of Evidence Moore Needs For A Conspiracy (n/t) - Mark Eby - 8/21/2004 4:13:51 AM
      - Knew That Title Looked Wrong See Below For Correct Spelling (n/t) - Mark Eby - 8/20/2004 11:59:14 PM

What's The Legal Age In France/Belgium Raoul? - Mark Eby - 8/21/2004 4:19:41 AM
- Mistaken Identity - Wrong Swimmer - Mark Eby - 8/21/2004 2:42:59 PM
- Oh really, since when? - Lee - 8/21/2004 4:55:54 AM
  - Read The Post - Mark Eby - 8/21/2004 2:18:37 PM

527 contributors: where the millionaires are. - Tom Brosz - 8/21/2004 8:19:54 AM
- Kerry: the best candidate billionaires can buy - ebnelson - 8/21/2004 11:45:27 AM
- re: 527 contributors: where the millionaires are. - gbaikie - 8/21/2004 11:14:00 AM
- re: 527 contributors: where the millionaires are. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/21/2004 9:24:59 AM

Question for military people here... - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 8:51:50 PM
- Those are paragraph markings - Larry J - 8/20/2004 9:40:18 PM
  - re: paragraph markings - Tom Brosz - 8/21/2004 8:33:44 AM

Immigration reform (from community) - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/20/2004 11:40:25 PM
- the particular situation in Florida - Robert - 8/21/2004 4:01:30 AM
  - The situation in Florida does make it easier to find them. - Lee - 8/21/2004 4:30:25 AM
- If she jumped on you politically in community I'd have challenged her too. (n/t) - Art Martin - 8/21/2004 3:37:23 AM
- I so agree immigration reform is a valid issue - Art Martin - 8/20/2004 11:59:48 PM
  - This is a major issue where conservatives have trouble with Bush. - Tom Brosz - 8/21/2004 5:33:38 AM
  - Non-partisan issue - phil - 8/21/2004 1:40:50 AM

New Swift Boat ad - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/21/2004 12:23:28 AM
- New pro-Kerry article timed for beginning of Republican convention - Tom Brosz - 8/21/2004 5:18:27 AM
- It's a shame when a deserter smears our fighting men. Again. - Bowser - 8/21/2004 2:54:05 AM
  - Is Clinton chiming in? (n/t) - ebnelson - 8/21/2004 3:06:20 AM
- And in his own words - FrankC - 8/21/2004 2:15:17 AM
- Dang... scooped (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/21/2004 12:43:26 AM

Conspiracy du jour: Why haven't gas prices skyrocketed? - Bowser - 8/21/2004 4:19:46 AM
- Econ101 - Capacity Up, Demand Down - Mark Eby - 8/21/2004 4:28:20 AM

KERRY POLL NUMBERS DROP - BUSH GAINS (CBS) - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/20/2004 8:01:58 PM
- Even basic arithmetic is beyond conservatives in their quest. - Bowser - 8/21/2004 3:41:38 AM
- Making myself clearer - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/20/2004 9:01:46 PM
- 46-45=4?? - Tony - 8/20/2004 8:10:08 PM

Republicans funding Nader and Vets makes one think they're afraid. - Bowser - 8/21/2004 3:36:41 AM

Kerry is being wrecked by the confluence of three things: - ebnelson - 8/21/2004 3:29:14 AM

REPORT CONNECTS BUSH TO SWIFT BOAT VETERANS - Donald - 8/20/2004 7:39:44 PM
- Dream on, Don - ebnelson - 8/21/2004 3:10:07 AM
- Michael Moore does Kerryâ€™s dirty work. Kerry does not denounce Fahrenheit 9//11. - REB - 8/20/2004 7:55:09 PM
- Meanwhile: Military records counter a Kerry critic - Donald - 8/20/2004 7:48:53 PM
  - Just out of curiosity, do you read any of the other posts here? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 8:34:55 PM

Whats this???? Hillary Clinton is on the Swiftvets donor list!!! - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 6:52:49 PM
- I'm on their donor list! I sent them $25. - Gary - 8/21/2004 2:52:11 AM

Surprise The Judge Was French - Mark Eby - 8/20/2004 11:41:51 PM

From the "suspect timing" department... - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 9:32:41 PM
- AOL Features NYT Article - phil - 8/20/2004 10:40:30 PM

Truth goes overboard in anti-Kerry attack - Donald - 8/20/2004 7:24:22 PM
- "...they didn't serve on Kerry's boat." - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 9:20:46 PM
- Kerry doesn't even know what the truth is. - REB - 8/20/2004 8:08:04 PM

Now we know what it takes to get media coverage of the Swift Boat controversy - Tom Brosz - 8/19/2004 2:51:56 PM
- The media attack on the veterans is moving into full swing. - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 2:21:53 AM
  - Prediction failed - Tony - 8/20/2004 1:37:37 PM
    - "...he did not address some of the accusations" Yep. You win that one. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 4:44:58 PM
  - This explains why Kerry was willing to throw his medals away. - Lee - 8/20/2004 5:49:22 AM
  - It will likely fail. - ebnelson - 8/20/2004 2:55:35 AM
  - The smear of Kerry doesn't bother you? - Bowser - 8/20/2004 2:46:18 AM
    - re: the smear of Bush doesn't bother you? - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 1:24:43 PM
    - I see you're ducking the actual situation. - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 5:45:40 AM
      - Per nightline...the Democrats have raised well over $100 Million for anti-Bush/pro-Kerry 527 Organizations; Republicans have raised less than $15 Million - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 2:20:38 PM
    - The hypocrisy of the American right - Donald - 8/20/2004 3:59:51 AM
      - re: Yes the facts are facts. Kerry Lied about the facts. - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 1:30:43 PM
      - "The facts are simple..." - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 5:52:17 AM
        
        Indeed they are - Donald - 8/20/2004 1:17:23 PM
        
        The problem is, a lot of the stories of valor aren't matching up. - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 5:47:23 PM
- Because... - Donald - 8/20/2004 12:57:17 AM
- Kerry even lies about who was President when he was in Vietnam. - ebnelson - 8/19/2004 11:45:42 PM
  - No, its just that you cant read proper like (n/t) - tony - 8/20/2004 1:02:16 AM
    - Kerry's own story says it all. If you like the re-edited versions, have 'em. (n/t) - ebnelson - 8/20/2004 2:06:15 AM
      - Got Link? (n/t) - Tony - 8/20/2004 12:36:02 PM
        
        Link. - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 6:01:53 PM
        
        Oh, I see. So it IS Reading Comprehension 101 - Tony - 8/20/2004 6:53:45 PM
        
        re: Seared...Seared in my memory. - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 7:20:55 PM
        
        It's not important. - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 9:00:21 PM
- so where were you looking at the beginning of the month - Tony - 8/19/2004 7:22:38 PM
  - BTW, the original Swift Boats press conference was in May - Tom Brosz - 8/19/2004 7:42:33 PM
  - Exercise for the student: - Tom Brosz - 8/19/2004 7:41:20 PM
    - re: Exercise for the "teacher": - Tony - 8/19/2004 8:36:08 PM
      - Considering the original premise is press bias against Bush... - Tom Brosz - 8/19/2004 9:46:26 PM
- Update: Kerry's response ad getting massive media coverage. Big surprise. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/19/2004 7:03:33 PM
- This is plain silly. - Bowser - 8/19/2004 4:56:54 PM
  - Kerry should open his military records or resign as the Democratic candidate. - Scott Evil - 8/19/2004 7:07:39 PM
    - W. Bush propped up at bar during war sevice? - E.P. Grondine - 8/19/2004 11:04:12 PM
    - Not as bad as you portray - Larry J - 8/19/2004 9:00:04 PM
    - Kerry's record has holes, but not as many as you list. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/19/2004 7:12:12 PM
  - character has a way of displaying itself provided sufficient time is allotted for the viewing, and November is still a long ways off. - FrankC - 8/19/2004 5:53:39 PM
    - Do you know who I am? - p - 8/19/2004 6:37:48 PM
  - The issue of the post is the blatant bias in media coverage - Tom Brosz - 8/19/2004 5:20:13 PM
- I don't think this will go away to easily for Kerry - Scott Evil - 8/19/2004 4:45:12 PM
  - According to Nader, Kerry group is a bunch of bullies - REB - 8/19/2004 5:17:29 PM
    - I could run several threads on the Democratic "search and destroy" on Nader. - Tom Brosz - 8/19/2004 5:28:42 PM

Kerry campaign attempting to suppress "Unfit for Command" - Gary - 8/20/2004 4:52:22 PM
- re: I think I'll stop by a few book stores this weekend... - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 6:51:06 PM
- Hypocrisy test for liberals: - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 5:33:43 PM
  - re: Hypocrisy test for liberals: - REB - 8/20/2004 8:05:15 PM
  - re: At least the Democrats have graduated to Micheal Moore. - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 7:04:21 PM
  - Link to original "Salon" article - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 5:36:12 PM
    - re: Link to original "Salon" article - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 7:15:23 PM
      - You might wanna do some research on the "Hitler Diaries" before you start making accusations :-) (n/t) - Tony - 8/20/2004 7:32:20 PM
- So Kerry's biggest backer - his wife - doesn't disclose her support, and he can't stand to have stories he disagrees with published. - ebnelson - 8/20/2004 5:14:52 PM

The new media paradigm... - Tom Brosz - 8/20/2004 6:14:18 PM
- re: Its not about who is more "internet savy" - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 6:58:07 PM

'Shoe bomber' sues over prison conditions - David F Mayer - 8/20/2004 2:18:08 PM
- Why haven't the prison inmates beaten him to death with his own shoes by now? - Lindy - 8/20/2004 4:45:35 PM
  - re: I think at Supermax, you are "protected" from other prisoners - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 6:47:54 PM
- prisoners like this should be given no human interaction whatsoever. - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 2:29:27 PM

Swift Boat Vet Ads Exposed - Donald - 8/20/2004 1:43:16 PM
- False claims from the NYT hardly expose the SBVFT as liars - ebnelson - 8/20/2004 5:16:12 PM
- Oh, and they're releasing their second ad - Larry J - 8/20/2004 5:01:05 PM
  - I've got to buy a copy of this book. - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 6:45:19 PM
- NYT exposed - Larry J - 8/20/2004 4:29:31 PM
  - NYT is not the only one trying to have it both ways - Tony - 8/20/2004 4:51:27 PM
    - When '60 Minutes' fairly covers the book... - Larry J - 8/20/2004 5:07:58 PM
      - re: And then there was the Press coverage of the Michael Moore Movie Fiction. - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 6:42:06 PM
- Kerry really did run secret missions into Cambodia? - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 4:10:56 PM
  - Kerry even in the early 1970's was hack trying to lay all blame for Vietnam on Republicans - ebnelson - 8/20/2004 5:19:16 PM
    - re: Well then lets put one fact to rest: "Vietnam was Kennedy and Johnson's war" - Scott Evil - 8/20/2004 6:34:36 PM
  - Very unlikely - Larry J - 8/20/2004 4:46:20 PM

Hollywood preparing massive anti-Bush siege - Tom Brosz - 8/17/2004 4:28:35 PM
- cheap-film-wise, I think lots of folks are drooling over F911's success - alcaray - 8/18/2004 9:27:05 PM
- Hollywood makes what people will pay to see. Capitalism at work. - Bowser - 8/17/2004 7:24:38 PM
  - If that's the case, then explain 'Gigli', 'Reds', 'Ishtar' and a host of others - Larry J - 8/17/2004 10:01:47 PM
    - Are you serious? I suspect not. - Bowser - 8/18/2004 1:39:12 AM
      - Hollywood often makes movies that are absolute stinkers - Larry J - 8/18/2004 1:37:11 PM
        
        What was wrong with Get Shorty? - alcaray - 8/18/2004 9:24:39 PM
        
        It stank - Larry J - 8/19/2004 1:41:19 PM
        
        Read the book (n/t) - alcaray - 8/19/2004 3:48:11 PM
        
        re: Hollywood often makes movies that are absolute stinkers - Art Martin - 8/18/2004 6:31:12 PM
        
        What about the movie insulted you? - Larry J - 8/18/2004 6:41:23 PM
        
        re: What about the movie insulted you? - Art Martin - 8/19/2004 11:03:16 PM
        
        Charismatic leaders - Larry J - 8/20/2004 1:00:25 AM
        
        re: Charismatic leaders - Art Martin - 8/20/2004 6:23:32 PM
- Movie Title: Kerry's long war...Now that's funny - Scott Evil - 8/17/2004 4:47:25 PM
  - Oh... the Evil - SteveS - 8/18/2004 1:43:28 AM
  - 2 tours of duty Scott. Try to keep up. (n/t) - Tony - 8/17/2004 5:19:35 PM
    - re: You can't be serious... - Scott Evil - 8/17/2004 7:49:39 PM
      - OKaaaay - tony - 8/18/2004 1:56:09 AM
        
        Not all 'tours of duty' are created equal - Larry J - 8/18/2004 3:42:08 PM
        
        You just insulted pretty much a whole Navy-full of Viet Nam Vets (n/t) - alcaray - 8/18/2004 9:30:14 PM
        
        Try studying some military history - Larry J - 8/19/2004 6:00:16 PM
        
        Your personal attacks aside... - alcaray - 8/19/2004 6:36:03 PM
        
        It wasn't a personal attack, it was a statement of fact - Larry J - 8/19/2004 9:16:40 PM
        
        The problem here is either your reading comprehension... - alcaray - 8/19/2004 10:27:14 PM
        
        Instead of getting pissed at me... - Larry J - 8/20/2004 1:38:14 PM
        
        You are smoking like a whaler, now. This has nothing to do with your gaffe. (n/t) - alcaray - 8/20/2004 3:07:21 PM
        
        OK - Tony - 8/18/2004 4:11:49 PM
        
        "Next time any vet here says they served their country, I hope you dismiss it if they weren't actively being shot at." Like Bush? ;) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/18/2004 6:15:03 PM
        
        Dunno. Does the current re-classification of service going on here count the National Guardsmen as Vets? :-) (n/t) - Tony - 8/18/2004 8:59:13 PM
        
        You set up the statement, not me. - Tom Brosz - 8/18/2004 11:14:41 PM
        
        Read this thread again. It's not me who is defining what counts as a "real" vet experience..... (n/t) - Tony - 8/19/2004 2:13:42 PM
        
        Wouldn't it be cool if Larry would say: "you are right, I misspoke" - alcaray - 8/19/2004 4:18:18 PM
        
        Why would I say something that obviously isn't true? - Larry J - 8/19/2004 6:00:48 PM
        
        If I were small-minded - alcaray - 8/19/2004 6:38:59 PM
        
        Not in my lifetime - Tony - 8/19/2004 4:36:15 PM
        
        You misunderstand - Larry J - 8/18/2004 6:07:06 PM
        
        Other than Harkin, who exactly is "Falsely claiming combat veteran status "? (n/t) - Tony - 8/18/2004 8:57:22 PM
        
        Exaggerating one's record is falsely claiming combat status - Larry J - 8/19/2004 1:59:31 PM
        
        You forgot Christmas in Cambodia ;-) - SteveS - 8/18/2004 2:01:58 AM
    - re: 2 tours of duty - Tom Brosz - 8/17/2004 6:36:30 PM
      - And where was George? - Mary Anne - 8/18/2004 3:22:43 AM
        
        That's kind-of the point - Scott Evil - 8/18/2004 1:34:18 PM
        
        Knee-jerk response #3 - Tom Brosz - 8/18/2004 7:28:58 AM
- "Then there's the media, which has dedicated itself to a Kerry victory." should be "Then there's the media, which have dedicated themselves to a Kerry victory." - David F Mayer - 8/17/2004 4:43:57 PM
  - should be "Then there are the media, which have dedicated themselves to a Kerry victory." (n/t) - DFM - 8/17/2004 4:45:01 PM

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