Most of what Zubrin says aren't false straw men, but real problems with hydrogen. He is 100% correct that hydrogen has been oversold to the public. I have read some nice articles in Scientific American on hydrodgen power issues. Production, transportation, and storage of hydrogen are all very difficult engineering problems.
One of the more intriguing "solutions" to many of the problems was the use of next generation nuclear plants (I believe they were thorium based), that had a higher reaction temperature. Evidently the waste heat could be used to catalyze electrolytic production of hydrogen. So, at the same time as you produced electricity at a nuclear plant you also produced hydrogen. Then the clever part was you shipped both the electricity and the hydrogen together making use of the hydrogen to lower the temperature so the electric cables could superconduct. All this actually struck me as plausible, but probably not for at least about 50 years. Of course using nuclear power violates eco-nuts dreams of living as flower children with the only energy sources the sun and wind.
Zubrin's key point is that hydrogen is an energy carrier not a a source. When you produce the hydrogen, you have to use available energy sources (which right now are dominated by oil, coal, and natural gas). Then you have to account for all the infrastructure to handle and transport the hydrogen or even make fuel cells (which use such substances like platinum). The economics of trying to make hydrogen a viable energy carrier are not clear cut by any means.
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Hydrogen problems are real
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- Robert Zubrin blasts the "Hydrogen Economy"
- Zubrin's folly
- Single-Seat Cars Could Reduce Fuel Consumption by 75 Percent
- re: Single-Seat Cars Could Reduce Fuel Consumption by 75 Percent
- I guarantee you, hydrogen is not feasible. (n/t)
- Not if its done the way the aerospace industry does it.
- Here is where you are wrong....
- Again, you don;t get it.
- Here is where you are wrong....
- Not if its done the way the aerospace industry does it.
- I guarantee you, hydrogen is not feasible. (n/t)
- Sorry, but I believe a nail this big requires a hammer of sufficient size. (n/t)
- Make them flex-fueled just as Zubrin suggests.
- re: Make them flex-fueled just as Zubrin suggests.
- We could start with a 10% ethanol in gasoline mixture
- re: We could start with a 10% ethanol in gasoline mixture
- And then reduce the average weight of vehicles on the road
- We could start with a 10% ethanol in gasoline mixture
- re: Make them flex-fueled just as Zubrin suggests.
- Make them flex-fueled just as Zubrin suggests.
- re: Single-Seat Cars Could Reduce Fuel Consumption by 75 Percent
- Single-Seat Cars Could Reduce Fuel Consumption by 75 Percent
- Hydrogen problems are real
- re: Robert Zubrin blasts the "Hydrogen Economy"
- 2 Corrections
- You should get your facts straight before you write such an emphatic comment
- re: You should get your facts straight before you write such an emphatic comment
- re: you should read TFA before you post it as support for what you have said.
- re: you should read TFA before you post it as support for what you have said.
- About Newcomb and the flying machines.
- last part of post truncated for some reason
- re: You should get your facts straight before you write such an emphatic comment
- re: you should read TFA before you post it as support for what you have said.
- re: You should get your facts straight before you write such an emphatic comment
- Robert Zubrin is an aerospace engineer like me.
- 84mpg VW Lupo
- re: Robert Zubrin is an aerospace engineer like me.
- 3-wheels
- re: Robert Zubrin is an aerospace engineer like me.
- re: Robert Zubrin is an aerospace engineer like me.
- Hence my prediction.
- Radical Environmentalists have…
- True.
- re: True.
- Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
- re: Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
- re: Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
- And the hydrogen cars are also just prototypes.
- Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
- re: True.
- True.
- Radical Environmentalists have…
- Hence my prediction.
- re: Robert Zubrin is an aerospace engineer like me.
- Perhaps a reference link to your supporting material would be instructive here. (n/t)
- I think the Hydrogen economy will be great....
- re: Robert Zubrin blasts the "Hydrogen Economy"
- Zubrin's folly
