Ah, so many strawmen the oil advocates puts out in one post!
First, the Hindenburg myth the oil lobby loves to use against hydrogen vehicles.
http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/advocate/ad22zepp.htm
BTW Hydrogen fires burn upward until gasoline fires which is why 67 of the 101 folks aboard the Hindenburg lived to tell the tail, and many who dies did so by jumping out in panic instead of waiting for the airship to settle. Now compare that to fire deaths from a convention aircraft in an landing accident that triggers a fire.
Now add to that the simple reality that any pressurized tank used for a hydrogen vehicle will likely survive intact even the worst accident. Do you really know strong a tank must be to hold 10,000 psi? And if it does break open the hydrogen burns up vertically, not horizontally like gasoline does.
As for the home use. DO you have natural gas in your house? One big different is the size of the molecule. Hydrogen is a small molecule, raises quickly and finds a way to disperse through cracks between the ceiling and walls. In sure it does concentrate to blow up like natural gas does. Natural gas on the other hand stays low and contained in a room until something ignites it. If any of these generators blows it will be far more likely from a natural gas leak then a hydrogen one. This is one reason Honda sees the natural gas version only as a stepping stone to one which uses electricity 100%.
In any case any home production system will need to get UL approval or insurance companies won’t allow them. And if anyone knows how to get equipment to malfunction it’s the folks at UL.
Incidentally, do you know there is toy company now selling toy cars powered by hydrogen? Good introduction to the cars they will be driving as adults.
http://www.techdigest.tv/2006/07/hracer_the_hydr.html
Neat huh… and no explosions yet. Maybe you or this Dr. Zubrin could buy one and try to make it blow up to prove his theory!
http://www.kitsusa.net/phpstore/index.php
And instead of wasting billions of taxpayers dollars on Zubrin designing a system for making hydrogen on Mars maybe NASA could just buy a few of Honda’s units off the shelf and ship them there. I hear there is water on Mars… Of course that would be too easy. And maybe that is what Zubrin is so afraid of when most folks are driving hydrogen cars.
Again, thanks for the laughs, oil apologists are funny, especially when they try to claim they are not being oil apologists.
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- Robert Zubrin blasts the "Hydrogen Economy"
- Zubrin's folly
- Single-Seat Cars Could Reduce Fuel Consumption by 75 Percent
- re: Single-Seat Cars Could Reduce Fuel Consumption by 75 Percent
- I guarantee you, hydrogen is not feasible. (n/t)
- Not if its done the way the aerospace industry does it.
- Here is where you are wrong....
- Again, you don;t get it.
- Here is where you are wrong....
- Not if its done the way the aerospace industry does it.
- I guarantee you, hydrogen is not feasible. (n/t)
- Sorry, but I believe a nail this big requires a hammer of sufficient size. (n/t)
- Make them flex-fueled just as Zubrin suggests.
- re: Make them flex-fueled just as Zubrin suggests.
- We could start with a 10% ethanol in gasoline mixture
- re: We could start with a 10% ethanol in gasoline mixture
- And then reduce the average weight of vehicles on the road
- We could start with a 10% ethanol in gasoline mixture
- re: Make them flex-fueled just as Zubrin suggests.
- Make them flex-fueled just as Zubrin suggests.
- re: Single-Seat Cars Could Reduce Fuel Consumption by 75 Percent
- Single-Seat Cars Could Reduce Fuel Consumption by 75 Percent
- Hydrogen problems are real
- re: Robert Zubrin blasts the "Hydrogen Economy"
- 2 Corrections
- You should get your facts straight before you write such an emphatic comment
- re: You should get your facts straight before you write such an emphatic comment
- re: you should read TFA before you post it as support for what you have said.
- re: you should read TFA before you post it as support for what you have said.
- About Newcomb and the flying machines.
- last part of post truncated for some reason
- re: You should get your facts straight before you write such an emphatic comment
- re: you should read TFA before you post it as support for what you have said.
- re: You should get your facts straight before you write such an emphatic comment
- Robert Zubrin is an aerospace engineer like me.
- 84mpg VW Lupo
- re: Robert Zubrin is an aerospace engineer like me.
- 3-wheels
- re: Robert Zubrin is an aerospace engineer like me.
- re: Robert Zubrin is an aerospace engineer like me.
- Hence my prediction.
- Radical Environmentalists have…
- True.
- re: True.
- Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
- re: Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
- re: Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
- And the hydrogen cars are also just prototypes.
- Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
- re: True.
- True.
- Radical Environmentalists have…
- Hence my prediction.
- re: Robert Zubrin is an aerospace engineer like me.
- Perhaps a reference link to your supporting material would be instructive here. (n/t)
- I think the Hydrogen economy will be great....
- re: Robert Zubrin blasts the "Hydrogen Economy"
- Zubrin's folly
