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"Military surveys Iraq combat troops on ethics" - Bowser - 5/5/2007 2:17:54 AM
- What's worse - Lindy - 5/5/2007 4:11:21 PM

The President Has Effectively Gone AWOL - Jack Herer - 5/3/2007 4:46:34 PM
- Leave it to the anti-war types to pull out a few fragger's from the Retirement home. - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 5/3/2007 7:00:25 PM
  - Retirement has it's benefits - Eric - 5/4/2007 1:24:21 AM
    - Eric does have a good point, Scott. (n/t) - REB - 5/4/2007 9:18:54 PM
  - The real story is... - SDAI-Tech1 - 5/3/2007 11:48:35 PM
  - Batiste, Eaton and Odom Are 'fraggers' from a retirment home? - Yeti - 5/3/2007 8:44:29 PM
  - I would take the words of retired Army commanders... - Lindy - 5/3/2007 8:24:12 PM
  - Your problem is that their views match observable reality. Not some ideology. - Bowser - 5/3/2007 8:08:40 PM
- Where idealogy and faith prove disastrous to the nation - Lindy - 5/3/2007 5:48:56 PM
- There really isn't another way to look at it. Great article. - Bowser - 5/3/2007 5:48:30 PM

No connnection - gbaikie - 4/28/2007 6:54:33 AM
- You guys have turned me around in less than a year... - ER - 4/30/2007 6:18:52 PM
  - re: And it only took us... - SteveS - 5/1/2007 3:42:07 AM
    - re: getting tired - Fox - 5/2/2007 3:30:16 AM
      - re: getting tired - SteveS - 5/2/2007 4:32:23 AM
    - Lies, half lies and apparent lies - FrankC - 5/1/2007 4:51:45 PM
  - re: You guys have turned me around in less than a year... - gbaikie - 5/1/2007 2:57:23 AM
    - I have a problem with..... - Lindy - 5/2/2007 12:04:05 AM
  - Truth, what a concept - azstrummer - 4/30/2007 8:05:17 PM
- Also the "No WMD" lie. - REB - 4/30/2007 3:47:24 PM
  - The Uranium... - Laurie Street - 4/30/2007 4:31:02 PM
  - I followed up the first link on the 'BLOG' you sited (because we all know, BLOGS are the end-all-be-all of objective truth!) - Yeti - 4/30/2007 4:13:53 PM
    - From the Department of Defense, June 29, 2006, "Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria" Official Says - REB - 4/30/2007 9:42:53 PM
      - I followed and debunked 2 links as absolute bullshit. Laurie did another. - Yeti - 5/1/2007 12:15:17 AM
        
        When the Department of Denfense says that WMD have been found in Iraq, that is good enough for me. - REB - 5/1/2007 1:39:58 PM
        
        Then you have big problems. - Yeti - 5/1/2007 2:02:44 PM
        
        The Department of Defense is a valid source. - REB - 5/1/2007 2:17:40 PM
        
        They should be - azstrummer - 5/3/2007 9:51:56 PM
        
        Thanks Art. That is actually a decent post and has some good points. - REB - 5/4/2007 2:20:02 PM
        
        Rare letdown. Sorry (grin) - azstrummer - 5/4/2007 3:47:04 PM
        
        Is it worth it. - REB - 5/4/2007 5:52:55 PM
        
        Robert, we need an edit button so we can edit our posts. - REB - 5/4/2007 5:58:34 PM
        
        re: Rare letdown. Sorry (grin) - REB - 5/4/2007 4:04:54 PM
        
        Now, THATS funny. - Yeti - 5/1/2007 4:31:31 PM
        
        Do you have any valid evidence as to why the Department of Defense is not a valid source. - REB - 5/1/2007 4:51:10 PM
        
        Two words: Tillman and Lynch (n/t) - LS - 5/1/2007 6:15:31 PM
        
        My god: aside from the obvious you mean? - Yeti - 5/1/2007 5:03:23 PM
        
        Sorry, you personal opinion and feelings of the D of D does not count as evidence. - REB - 5/1/2007 5:13:50 PM
        
        And: "Defense Department Disavows Santorumâ€™s WMD Claims" - S - 5/2/2007 8:46:40 PM
        
        Interesting, but I'd bet real money on steep odds that it won't faze REB one bit. (n/t) - Yeti - 5/2/2007 9:31:22 PM
        
        re: evidence. - S - 5/2/2007 5:32:55 PM
    - More debunking - Yeti - 4/30/2007 4:24:23 PM
- give it up. Al Queda was everywhere except Iraq. - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 4/30/2007 2:24:09 PM
- Another breakdown of the time-binding faculty - Robert - 4/28/2007 5:38:33 PM
  - re: Still in denial - SteveS - 4/30/2007 1:04:30 PM
    - Clairvoyance - ER - 4/30/2007 3:43:40 PM
      - re: Clairvoyance - SteveS - 5/1/2007 3:37:28 AM
      - re: Clairvoyance - TB - 4/30/2007 7:51:21 PM
        
        You're preaching to the choir. - ER - 4/30/2007 8:51:24 PM
        
        From Tenet's book - TB - 4/30/2007 8:36:13 PM
        
        "It was never a question of a known, imminent threat; it was about an unwillingness to risk surprise." - ER - 4/30/2007 8:56:09 PM
        
        I thought I heard him giggle right before his neck snapped. (n/t) - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 5/1/2007 1:25:37 PM
        
        So what were, and are, the alternatives? - TB - 4/30/2007 10:19:57 PM
        
        IE: Since I can't win this discussion within the parameters of reality- lets play make-believe (n/t) - Yeti - 5/3/2007 10:12:12 PM
        
        The entire Democratic Party is hoping nobody thinks about any of this. - TB - 5/4/2007 5:26:53 AM
  - re: Another breakdown of the time-binding faculty - TB - 4/29/2007 2:09:49 AM
  - re: Another breakdown of the time-binding faculty - gbaikie - 4/28/2007 9:14:39 PM
    - That's a pathetic reach. - Bowser - 4/28/2007 9:31:03 PM
      - re: That's a pathetic reach. - gbaikie - 4/29/2007 1:43:54 AM
  - Good work, Robert. - ER - 4/28/2007 6:05:42 PM
- Indeed! - Raoul - 4/28/2007 7:24:26 AM
  - re: Indeed! - gbaikie - 4/28/2007 10:26:02 AM

"Rice: Mideast has 'everything at stake' in Iraq" - Bowser - 5/2/2007 2:47:03 PM
- re: "Rice: Mideast has 'everything at stake' in Iraq" - Lindy - 5/3/2007 1:02:01 AM

U.S. Attorneys - Donald - 5/2/2007 5:51:53 AM

U.N. report to support nuclear power - TB - 4/30/2007 7:24:01 PM
- re: U.N. report to support nuclear power - McFly - 4/30/2007 7:54:28 PM
  - Good God, no. - TB - 4/30/2007 8:00:06 PM
    - re: Good God, no. - McFly - 5/1/2007 4:50:56 PM
      - There's a difference between "flawed" and "corrupt." - TB - 5/2/2007 2:48:36 AM
      - Amen. - Bowser - 5/1/2007 5:17:40 PM

Iraq's al-Qa'ida head killed - REB - 5/1/2007 12:32:12 PM
- Heard this one before. - TB - 5/2/2007 2:42:25 AM
- Abu Ayyub al-Masri probably dead- and with his buddies in Hell - gbaikie - 5/1/2007 6:34:48 PM
  - re: Abu Ayyub al-Masri probably dead- and with his buddies in Hell - REB - 5/1/2007 7:13:26 PM
- Oh just wonderful. How do we expect Iraq to function as an independent nation... - Congressman Murtha - 5/1/2007 1:22:50 PM
  - Okay Mr Evil. - REB - 5/1/2007 2:11:43 PM

"Bush: Iraq Timeline Could Cause 'Chaos'" - Bowser - 5/1/2007 6:18:35 PM
- "Could?!?" - Donald - 5/2/2007 12:57:35 AM

Taliban "spring offensive" not going well so far. - TB - 4/30/2007 11:29:03 PM
- Apaches - REB - 5/1/2007 1:09:20 PM
- March 19, 2004 - "The people of Afghanistan are a world away from the nightmare of the Taliban." - George W. Bush - 5/1/2007 12:29:01 AM

Michael Yon dispatch, Part 2 - TB - 4/30/2007 11:52:56 PM
- New York Times article on Ramadi and Anbar - TB - 5/1/2007 1:31:34 AM

Ex-C.I.A. Chief Assails Cheney on Iraq - Donald - 4/27/2007 12:40:23 PM
- re: Which Tenet are we supposed to believe? - SteveS - 4/30/2007 12:14:19 AM
- "... a grotesque mixture of incompetence and sycophancy ...." - Fox - 4/30/2007 12:00:40 AM
  - ""the Alberto Gonzales of the intelligence community" - ER - 4/30/2007 1:55:18 AM
    - re: ""the Alberto Gonzales of the intelligence community" - Lindy - 4/30/2007 4:00:25 AM
- Everything just seems to be unravelling, doesn't it? - ER - 4/28/2007 6:33:31 PM
  - The Great Lie - Lindy - 4/28/2007 6:48:14 PM
- re: Ex-C.I.A. Chief Assails Cheney on Iraq - Lindy - 4/27/2007 2:21:47 PM
  - I assume you also like Tenet's views on interrogation? (n/t) - TB - 4/27/2007 7:12:09 PM
    - One doesn't have to admire Mussolini to appreciate punctual trains. - Mary Anne - 4/29/2007 1:46:45 PM
      - re: One doesn't have to admire Mussolini to appreciate punctual trains. - TB - 4/30/2007 8:09:50 PM
- Meanwhile: Army officer criticizes generals on Iraq - Donald - 4/27/2007 1:17:15 PM

Liberal Carbon Footprint Update... - TB - 4/27/2007 5:16:35 AM
- Speaking of Liberal Carbon Footprint... - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 4/27/2007 9:25:55 PM
- You're down to smokin' stems and seeds, TB. - ER - 4/27/2007 3:10:42 PM
  - I've figured something out... - TB - 4/27/2007 6:46:57 PM
    - thanks for the diagnosis of cognitive dissonance...I'll remember that - ER - 4/27/2007 7:42:11 PM
      - No. - TB - 4/29/2007 2:14:39 AM
        
        You've got plenty of work to do - ER - 4/29/2007 2:59:30 PM
        
        I'm criticizing the hypocrisy. - TB - 4/30/2007 7:55:57 PM
        
        re: You've got plenty of work to do - gbaikie - 4/30/2007 5:54:06 AM
        
        re: You've got plenty of work to do - gbaikie - 4/30/2007 6:19:58 AM
      - You make Rightwingism sound liker the definition of madness! - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 4/27/2007 7:48:07 PM
  - And don't foget Stephen Hawking (who tells us we are doomed by our own watefulness) is busy wasting jet fuel too - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 4/27/2007 3:15:34 PM
- Speaking of the debate...What a bunch of losers... - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 4/27/2007 1:27:57 PM
  - Opps it was Arthur Carlson... I think Al was his uncle. (n/t) - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 4/27/2007 9:37:24 PM

Tenet on 60 Minutes - ER - 4/30/2007 12:15:48 AM
- My biggest problem with this interview... - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 4/30/2007 2:17:56 PM
  - "The agency was sitting on information that some known Al Quiada operatives were in the USA...." - Lindy - 4/30/2007 5:42:46 PM
    - 60 Minutes skirted that one didn't they... - Muhammed Atta is my biological father - 4/30/2007 6:55:31 PM
- Sorry, missed your msg until 2130 EDT - ER - 4/30/2007 1:41:07 AM
- Link: - podrock - 4/30/2007 1:36:53 AM
- re: Tenet on 60 Minutes - Lindy - 4/30/2007 12:33:15 AM
  - It's OK, I read the transcript - Lindy - 4/30/2007 3:54:38 AM
    - Answer - ER - 4/30/2007 11:17:44 AM
      - No free ride - Lindy - 4/30/2007 2:07:56 PM
        
        Psychophants. I love it! (n/t) - ER - 4/30/2007 2:33:48 PM

Rice, Bush and benchmarks. - Bowser - 4/29/2007 8:39:51 PM
- "How this is allowed to drag on is beyond my comprehension." - Lindy - 4/30/2007 12:32:24 AM

UFO thread moved to OT (n/t) - FrankC (moderator) - 4/29/2007 5:15:31 PM
- Beat me to it... thanks, Frank (n/t) - Fox - 4/29/2007 5:40:00 PM

More Bush Incompetence - Donald - 4/29/2007 2:12:55 PM
- War profiteering - ER - 4/29/2007 4:11:34 PM
- RE:poor construction, oversight - Lindy - 4/29/2007 3:32:07 PM
- Meanwhile: 3,346 - Donald - 4/29/2007 2:25:23 PM

Supercomputer = 1/2 mouse brain at 1/10 the speed - gbaikie - 4/29/2007 4:21:36 AM
- And simulation duration = 1 second real-time brain activity - Skeptic - 4/29/2007 6:50:14 AM

IRAQ: It just keeps getting worse and worse - Donald - 4/28/2007 8:34:23 PM

The "Surge" - what we aren't hearing. It's a lot. - Bowser - 4/28/2007 3:03:38 AM
- Defeaning Silence is Right (n/t) - Lindy - 4/28/2007 4:14:37 PM

Another Bush official resigns in humiliation - Eric - 4/28/2007 3:52:04 PM
- ROTFLMAO - Lindy - 4/28/2007 4:12:38 PM

How do you dispose of your toxic waste? - gbaikie - 4/28/2007 4:10:57 AM

EURO v Dollar !! A record high for the EURO - Raoul - 4/27/2007 4:25:15 PM
- Double Bubble - HRCFP - 4/27/2007 9:06:54 PM
  - re: Double Bubble - Ah, of course, a Chinese website,,, - Marcia - 4/27/2007 11:13:10 PM
- re: EURO v Dollar !! A record high for the EURO - Marcia - 4/27/2007 5:44:20 PM
  - re: EURO v Dollar !! A record high for the EURO - Raoul - 4/27/2007 5:49:15 PM

Petraeus briefing - TB - 4/26/2007 10:33:22 PM
- The Power of the Media & Dealing with Violence - SDAI-Tech1 - 4/27/2007 9:57:23 PM
- Petraeus - Donald - 4/27/2007 12:52:18 PM
- "The Democrats and other surrender fanatics aren't interested in what he has to say." - azstrummer - 4/27/2007 2:46:17 AM
  - Did you read it? (n/t) - TB - 4/27/2007 4:51:19 AM
    - No, and where's the remote? - ER - 4/27/2007 5:30:43 PM
      - More a Claymore remote - azstrummer - 4/27/2007 7:15:33 PM
        
        "This side towards enemy" - ER - 4/27/2007 8:22:22 PM
        
        re: "This side towards enemy" - azstrummer - 4/27/2007 9:40:56 PM
      - Let me try to drive something home here... - TB - 4/27/2007 6:56:04 PM
        
        Might try a steering wheel - azstrummer - 4/27/2007 7:43:34 PM
    - Even if I did, I wouldn't tell you. - azstrummer - 4/27/2007 4:12:58 PM
- Notable quotes from General Petraeus - Eric - 4/27/2007 1:06:12 AM
- Surely you must be aware of what the neocons have said before. - Bowser - 4/26/2007 11:59:00 PM
  - Got any comments on what I actually posted? - TB - 4/27/2007 12:03:27 AM
    - Has it ever occurred to you... - Donald - 4/27/2007 1:01:38 PM
    - re: Has it ever been for you either? - Raoul - 4/27/2007 7:55:01 AM
    - Not until you acknowledge... - azstrummer - 4/27/2007 3:04:38 AM
      - Credibility - TB - 4/27/2007 4:56:17 AM
        
        re: Credibility - azstrummer - 4/27/2007 3:23:17 PM
    - Tell me what's new. Same old Bushie stuff, and still WAY, WAY too optomistic. - Bowser - 4/27/2007 2:55:29 AM

The economy is about to crash. - HRCFP - 4/27/2007 9:04:42 PM

Michael Yon's latest dispatch - TB - 4/27/2007 4:57:59 AM
- Good reporting - ER - 4/27/2007 3:20:12 PM
  - Figured you'd like that part. (n/t) - TB - 4/27/2007 7:11:25 PM

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