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Moveon moving into high gear - Tom Brosz - 8/28/2004 5:59:18 AM

Rumsfeld on the draft - Tom Brosz - 8/28/2004 4:55:37 AM

Better late than never...I guess - Donald - 8/28/2004 4:02:47 AM
- Source document - Tom Brosz - 8/28/2004 4:29:27 AM

The world would be a pretty nice place without Islam - Buck Galaxy - 8/28/2004 4:29:23 AM

Remembering the liberation of Paris - Tom Brosz - 8/25/2004 6:04:41 PM
- re: Remembering the liberation of Paris - Raoul - 8/25/2004 9:20:50 PM
  - Yeah, America was dying to take over France. - Tom Brosz - 8/25/2004 9:39:39 PM
    - re: Here.... - Raoul - 8/25/2004 9:55:47 PM
      - You Have Become A Characature Of European Anti-Americanism - Mark Eby - 8/25/2004 11:03:35 PM
        
        re: de Gaulle rejected AMGOT - Raoul - 8/26/2004 1:50:40 PM
        
        And the result? - McFly - 8/26/2004 8:56:28 PM
        
        re: Sovereign state - Raoul - 8/26/2004 10:15:56 PM
        
        And Now - Mark Eby - 8/27/2004 12:51:57 AM
        
        That may belong on Flame. - Bowser - 8/26/2004 4:20:34 AM
        
        You Seem To Be Confused About Objectivity - Mark Eby - 8/27/2004 1:08:39 AM
        
        re: We live on two different worlds - Raoul - 8/27/2004 3:08:56 PM
        
        Yes I Strongly Disagree - Mark Eby - 8/28/2004 4:25:20 AM
        
        re: We live on two different worlds - gbaikie - 8/28/2004 1:20:56 AM
        
        That didn't sound like an insult. It's just polemic. - Daniel L - 8/26/2004 1:37:42 PM
        
        re: It's just polemic. - Raoul - 8/26/2004 2:02:27 PM
        
        well - - Daniel - 8/26/2004 3:55:39 PM
        
        re: Things change;) - Raoul - 8/26/2004 6:34:39 PM
- How many Americans died to free them Donald? - jr - 8/25/2004 7:51:36 PM
  - And how many Americans stayed in France, shooting 'em up? (n/t) - Bowser - 8/25/2004 8:33:00 PM
    - Yesterdays French Were Smarter - They Didn't Attack Liberators (n/t) - Mark Eby - 8/25/2004 11:05:44 PM
      - They did in North Africa - Larry J - 8/26/2004 8:04:56 PM
- Questions about French participation in WW2 - David F Mayer - 8/25/2004 6:16:44 PM
  - Heh, heh. - Bowser - 8/25/2004 7:15:48 PM
    - Vichy and Occpied French Soldiers Fought With Nazis - David F Mayer - 8/26/2004 1:17:21 PM
      - According to Patton's 'War as I Knew It"... - Larry J - 8/26/2004 1:59:34 PM
    - Resistance Was Possible And Did Happen - Mark Eby - 8/25/2004 11:07:46 PM
      - Quite right... - McFly - 8/26/2004 1:32:08 AM
        
        Your point of view McFly - Lindy - 8/26/2004 3:59:00 AM
        
        You're 100% right, Lindy - McFly - 8/26/2004 6:38:35 PM
        
        Which part of "The French resisted as best they could - - - " was difficult to understand. - Bowser - 8/26/2004 1:44:52 AM
        
        "So resistance as in Iraq wasn't possible." - Mark Eby - 8/26/2004 2:09:44 AM
        
        McFly - "To suggest that the French resistance was ineffective- - " - Bowser - 8/26/2004 4:10:21 AM
        
        How Bowser's wrong... - McFly - 8/26/2004 6:24:22 PM
        
        and how he's right... - McFly - 8/26/2004 9:12:44 PM

Retired Admiral joins the conspiracy disagreeing with Kerry - ebnelson - 8/27/2004 5:31:58 PM
- re: Retired Admiral joins the conspiracy disagreeing with Kerry - Chris Vancil - 8/27/2004 9:23:27 PM
  - re: Retired Admiral - Tom Brosz - 8/28/2004 1:27:23 AM
    - re: Retired Admiral - Chris Vancil - 8/28/2004 3:15:09 AM
- re: Retired Admiral - Tom Brosz - 8/27/2004 7:54:37 PM

Another veteran speaks up - Tom Brosz - 8/28/2004 12:45:06 AM
- Some advice... - Tom Brosz - 8/28/2004 1:48:22 AM

Charles Krauthammer: "The Pressure Cooker Theory." - Tom Brosz - 8/28/2004 12:31:43 AM

Weren't we told the tax cuts would create jobs? - Bowser - 8/25/2004 2:25:10 PM
- Yes - Mark Eby - 8/25/2004 11:27:52 PM
  - re: Yes - Tom Brosz - 8/26/2004 1:53:47 AM
    - Two Simple Ideas - Mark Eby - 8/26/2004 2:20:26 AM
      - By the way, we're not in a pure democracy. - Tom Brosz - 8/26/2004 2:38:03 AM
      - re: Two Simple Ideas - Tom Brosz - 8/26/2004 2:36:35 AM
        
        You Are Correct In This Case - Mark Eby - 8/27/2004 2:22:54 AM
- Jobs - Tom Brosz - 8/25/2004 3:27:15 PM
  - Sampling Versus Total Data Set - Mark Eby - 8/25/2004 11:39:29 PM
    - re: Sampling Versus Total Data Set - gbaikie - 8/26/2004 12:36:56 AM
      - re: Sampling Versus Total Data Set - Mark Eby - 8/26/2004 1:02:57 AM
  - Forbes - "Worst job creation record of any president since Hoover - " - Bowser - 8/25/2004 3:44:53 PM
    - and the very same article says... - McFly - 8/25/2004 6:07:22 PM
      - when it comes to jobs created, the president is in the black - Bowser - 8/25/2004 7:00:59 PM
        
        Unemployment Fairly Steady - Mark Eby - 8/25/2004 11:42:18 PM
        
        Hoover - Tom Brosz - 8/25/2004 11:27:45 PM
        
        Quote does not compare Bush to Hoover... - alcaray - 8/25/2004 11:36:03 PM
        
        re: Quote does not compare Bush to Hoover... - Tom Brosz - 8/26/2004 1:41:53 AM
        
        link busted - from your text, Im still confused why you want to compare Bush to Hoover (n/t) - alcaray - 8/26/2004 6:08:20 PM
        
        I'm not the one who brought Hoover into this. Bowser did in his link. - Tom Brosz - 8/28/2004 12:26:02 AM
        
        Damn. Correction: - Tom Brosz - 8/28/2004 12:27:59 AM
- re: Of course the economy was already into a recession when Clinton handed over the White House keys. - Scott Evil - 8/25/2004 2:49:25 PM

If you're not registered to vote yet, DO IT! - Tom Brosz - 8/27/2004 11:51:53 PM

International Criminal Court - Raoul - 8/27/2004 9:32:23 PM
- re: International Criminal Court - gbaikie - 8/27/2004 11:35:52 PM

The deep and secret anger - Donald - 8/26/2004 5:13:41 AM
- NPR A Little More Balanced - Mark Eby - 8/27/2004 12:39:26 AM
- Tragic - Bowser - 8/26/2004 2:36:47 PM
  - The poor guy realized his son died as a happless stooge in Bush's war. Of course he's angry. (n/t) - Kari Supporter - 8/26/2004 3:03:41 PM
- Sure... a real deep and secret anger. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/26/2004 6:17:36 AM
  - re: Sure... a real deep and secret anger. - Chris Vancil - 8/26/2004 7:17:27 AM
    - Lie. - Tom Brosz - 8/26/2004 4:07:27 PM
      - re: Lie and truth. - Chris Vancil - 8/26/2004 8:21:41 PM
        
        re: Lie and truth. - Tom Brosz - 8/27/2004 2:48:50 AM
        
        re: Stats and lies and truth. - Chris Vancil - 8/27/2004 7:43:40 AM
        
        Sorry. Forgot link. - Tom Brosz - 8/27/2004 10:43:57 PM

Argentina must go crazy, tonight! - Raoul - 8/27/2004 9:49:08 PM

Act of patriotism? - McFly - 8/27/2004 1:36:29 PM
- Would you assume some of us would? - Art Martin - 8/27/2004 4:11:04 PM
  - Well, you know... - McFly - 8/27/2004 5:29:01 PM
    - Just haven't seen that degree - Art Martin - 8/27/2004 9:32:59 PM
- re: These cowards were the ones feeding humans into wood chippers for Sadam, Uday, and Qusay. - Scott Evil - 8/27/2004 1:45:35 PM

Ooops...nothing here, just moveon, all swift boat vets who disagree with Kerry are liars, don't question Kerry, moveon... - ebnelson - 8/27/2004 4:52:49 PM
- Then there's this blast from the past... - Tom Brosz - 8/27/2004 9:20:40 PM
- amazing....... - Tony - 8/27/2004 5:07:36 PM
  - Enough holes to fill the Albert Hall, and you don't care, do you? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/27/2004 7:57:49 PM
    - It's the attempted murder by a thousand cuts, that you so easily dismissed when it was about Bush - Tony - 8/27/2004 8:44:37 PM
  - Yes of course the good democrat sheep will just moveon (n/t) - ebnelson - 8/27/2004 5:33:33 PM
    - just keep parotting the party line Ed. (n/t) - Tony - 8/27/2004 7:07:55 PM

anyone received the September National Geographic? - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/26/2004 1:11:00 AM
- source of CO2 not covered by Kyoto - jms - 8/27/2004 12:00:50 AM
  - Global carbon monoxide animations - Gary - 8/27/2004 4:13:08 AM
    - Lets do nothing, then - alcaray - 8/27/2004 6:15:47 PM
- Well, now. - Bowser - 8/26/2004 1:59:40 AM
  - Ok... - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/26/2004 4:04:24 AM
    - So "science" is "political", and saying the US wouldn't sign Kyoto is anti-American!! - Bowser - 8/26/2004 4:16:03 AM
      - Let's have a round of applause for Bowser! He's right! - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/26/2004 4:22:33 AM
        
        Let's see if you can acknowledge your lie. - Bowser - 8/26/2004 2:43:51 PM
        
        A Lie on Rye Served With a Sigh. - SDAI-Tech1 - 8/27/2004 7:16:02 PM
        
        I guess he can't, can he? - Bowser - 8/27/2004 11:03:05 AM
        
        Clap. clap. (n/t) - gb - 8/26/2004 10:00:26 AM
- Fossil fuels - Tom Brosz - 8/26/2004 1:32:40 AM
  - Exactly Why It Is Idiotic To Play Denial Games - Mark Eby - 8/27/2004 12:46:17 AM
  - re: Amen - Scott Evil - 8/26/2004 2:04:34 PM
- Right, Like That Explains Venus Or Mars - Mark Eby - 8/26/2004 1:16:26 AM

971 - Donald - 8/27/2004 1:06:32 PM
- Your day of maximum happiness will happen soon, and you can keep spamming your lies all the way there (n/t) - ebnelson - 8/27/2004 5:35:03 PM
- Cost of Iraq war - Jack Herer - 8/27/2004 2:09:58 PM
  - Indeed - Donald - 8/27/2004 2:39:42 PM

Muqtada al-Sadr, defeated in combat, walks away to regroup and try armed violence again. - David F Mayer - 8/27/2004 4:41:12 PM
- I wonder if there really is missing artifacts, jewels, etc... from the Shrine. - Scott Evil - 8/27/2004 4:44:15 PM
  - I was sort of hoping that he would have a fatal accident in the VERY near future. (n/t) - DFM - 8/27/2004 5:01:30 PM

Justice Department on Hamdi - "Ooops" - Tony - 8/27/2004 4:35:13 PM
- Refresh our memories...Which terrorist was that? - Scott Evil - 8/27/2004 4:39:33 PM

More Questions Concerning the claim of "a Siver Star with Combat V" - Scott Evil - 8/27/2004 4:26:40 PM

Overlaps between campaigns and 527s - Larry J - 8/27/2004 1:30:25 PM

Navy records appear to support Kerry's version - Donald - 8/25/2004 7:56:22 PM
- Already debunked - Larry J - 8/25/2004 8:26:27 PM
  - Debunked? Or corroborated..... - Tony - 8/26/2004 6:55:39 PM
    - re: Debunked? Or corroborated..... - Larry J - 8/26/2004 9:46:49 PM
      - re: Debunked? Or corroborated..... - Chris Vancil - 8/26/2004 10:58:54 PM
  - re: Yes, well you have a new meaning for debunked... - Chris Vancil - 8/25/2004 8:46:43 PM
    - He was under fire earlier that day, not when picking up the people from the #3 boat - Larry J - 8/25/2004 9:13:07 PM
      - re: He was under fire earlier that day, not when picking up the people from the #3 boat - Chris Vancil - 8/25/2004 11:11:28 PM
        
        "Kerry chose to go where people were being shot and blown up" - Tom Brosz - 8/26/2004 1:24:10 AM
        
        re: "Kerry chose to go where people were being shot and blown up" - Chris Vancil - 8/26/2004 7:09:54 AM
        
        re: "Kerry chose to go where people were being shot and blown up" - gbaikie - 8/26/2004 11:39:16 PM
        
        re: "Kerry chose to go where people were being shot and blown up" - Chris Vancil - 8/27/2004 6:58:00 AM
        
        re: "Kerry chose to go where people were being shot and blown up" - gbaikie - 8/27/2004 7:13:39 AM
        
        re: "Kerry chose to go where people were being shot and blown up" - Chris Vancil - 8/27/2004 8:20:37 AM
        
        re: "Kerry chose to go where people were being shot and blown up" - gbaikie - 8/27/2004 10:36:47 AM
        
        "I don't get what your trying to say." I guess not. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 8/26/2004 4:13:43 PM
        
        reYeah sometimes your off the deep end, Tom. Never going to answer the question are you. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 8/26/2004 7:44:50 PM
- The key quote - Donald - 8/25/2004 8:07:49 PM

A Dem voting for Bush - gbaikie - 8/25/2004 12:06:42 PM
- Should read - "A Dem voting for Israel, perceives Bush as best bet." - Bowser - 8/25/2004 2:16:18 PM
  - re: Should read - "A Dem voting for Israel, perceives Bush as best bet." - gbaikie - 8/25/2004 7:05:56 PM
  - RE: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 - Scott Evil - 8/25/2004 2:34:51 PM
    - That job would be much easier if Israel would stop grabbing more Palestinian land - E.P. Grondine - 8/25/2004 3:01:34 PM
      - re: I think Isreal really wants to give back the occupied territories. - Scott Evil - 8/25/2004 3:12:54 PM
        
        I don't think the current government of Isreal is capable of that - E.P. Grondine - 8/25/2004 4:24:09 PM
        
        For your sake, read the Old Testament. Then read a history of Israel - Bowser - 8/25/2004 3:27:36 PM
        
        For you Bowser, though I'd love to hear Raoul's response as well - McFly - 8/25/2004 6:18:08 PM
        
        re: 1967 - Raoul - 8/25/2004 8:58:46 PM
        
        re: I love it when the godless claim to be experts on the bible - Scott Evil - 8/25/2004 3:56:34 PM
        
        Stay ignorant, then. I tried. (n/t) - Bowser - 8/25/2004 4:57:40 PM
        
        re: I gave you 4 or 5 reasons why the Palestinians can't accept peace. You gave me: "read the Bible". Who is ignorant here? - Scott Evil - 8/25/2004 5:03:32 PM
        
        You. (n/t) - Bowser - 8/25/2004 5:16:34 PM
- I have been wondering when the Jews would notice that Bush is by far the most pro-Israel President in history. - David F Mayer - 8/25/2004 1:15:26 PM
  - Truman, actually, but W. Bush is not pro-Israel - E.P. Grondine - 8/25/2004 2:55:01 PM
    - re: Truman, actually, but W. Bush is not pro-Israel - gbaikie - 8/27/2004 6:58:21 AM

John O'Neill takes questions - Tom Brosz - 8/27/2004 6:29:36 AM

Disagreeing with many of "our" True Believers, "U.S. forces tortured Iraqis, general says" - Bowser - 8/26/2004 5:09:10 AM
- Sort of like what.... - Donald - 8/26/2004 5:17:56 AM
  - re: I think your memories of the Vietnam experience have been skewed by Hollywood's fixation with US soldiers committing war crimes - Scott Evil - 8/26/2004 1:43:17 PM
    - re: I think your memories of the Vietnam experience have been skewed by Hollywood's fixation with US soldiers committing war crimes - REB - 8/26/2004 2:43:42 PM
      - Nobody wants to be there. - Scott Evil - 8/26/2004 3:14:48 PM
        
        re: Nobody wants to be there. - REB - 8/26/2004 3:36:10 PM
        
        re: Nobody wants to be there. - REB - 8/26/2004 3:20:08 PM
  - Kerry was right. - Bowser - 8/26/2004 6:32:09 AM
    - And he confessed on 'Meet the Press' to committing war crimes himself - Larry J - 8/26/2004 1:55:25 PM
      - You're right at the heart of it - E.P. Grondine - 8/26/2004 4:57:22 PM
      - I think you can understand. - Bowser - 8/26/2004 2:31:28 PM
        
        You would be a war criminal too it it happened to you. (n/t) - Kari Supporter - 8/26/2004 3:05:34 PM
      - They're saving their outrage for US soldiers who made Iraqi prisoners wear women's underwaer - p - 8/26/2004 2:04:34 PM
        
        Kerry has a nuanced way out of the charge that he, himself committed war crimes... - Scott Evil - 8/26/2004 2:11:38 PM
        
        His excuse fails - Larry J - 8/26/2004 5:14:32 PM
        
        Kerry's excuse may be that he's stupid - phil - 8/26/2004 6:21:37 PM
        
        re: Nope that is Bush's excuse... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 8/26/2004 11:20:25 PM
    - Ego? Spite? - Lindy - 8/26/2004 1:52:12 PM

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