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Anti-Americanism's new face (AKA one of Saddam's Lawyers) - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/12/2004 7:43:38 PM
- "Surely some folks here wax nostalgic for Pol Pot, Idi Amin and Stalin." - Tony - 7/12/2004 8:37:08 PM
  - "Surely" is like Edwards' "difficult for me to imagine" - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/13/2004 1:05:56 AM
    - SDAI-Tech1 having homo-erotic fantasies about GW bush again - He's wearing Ann Coulter's dress again - 7/13/2004 5:13:06 AM
      - If that pun was intentional, fifty points! LOL! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 7/13/2004 6:34:35 AM
    - Don't be cute. Just reply to the statement: NAME ONE. - Mary Anne - 7/13/2004 4:49:28 AM
      - That's easy...the answer is... - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/13/2004 10:08:25 AM
        
        A lapse of backbone? - Davin L. - 7/13/2004 3:17:02 PM
        
        C'mon! Don't you want to double dare me!? - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/13/2004 9:34:33 PM

Brownshirts? No. Brown facial appendage? Yes. - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/11/2004 10:14:01 PM
- Foot in mouth disease by the vaunted Kerry (who served in Vietnam) - p - 7/11/2004 10:46:24 PM
  - Heh, heh. You saying Kerry's worse than GWB (who deserted and didn't serve in Vietnam.)? (n/t) - Bowser - 7/12/2004 4:28:51 AM
    - Yes, you've got it right Kerry is far worse (hard to believe, eh?) (n/t) - phil - 7/13/2004 12:56:07 AM
    - Technically libel and slander (n/t) - FrankC - 7/12/2004 5:38:22 PM
      - The truth is a defense, but where are your citations for that? - Bowser - 7/13/2004 3:54:38 AM
        
        Careful there - FrankC - 7/13/2004 8:06:36 PM

Bush and his cronies can't fathom anyone replacing him. He's tightening his grip on power. - Derek - 7/12/2004 1:19:07 PM
- We had elections during WWII and the Civil War. - Bowser - 7/12/2004 11:50:03 PM
  - How many northern cities were under attack in 1864? How about 1944? - Larry J - 7/13/2004 1:46:52 PM
  - I'm with Bowser. I don't see any need for postponing elections. - Tom Brosz - 7/13/2004 4:08:41 AM
    - Who would be the first to howl - FrankC - 7/13/2004 5:18:51 AM
      - Redo - Tom Brosz - 7/13/2004 7:00:21 AM
- I guess you've never heard of contingency planning - Larry J - 7/12/2004 3:49:41 PM
  - re: I guess you've never heard of contingency planning - Derek - 7/13/2004 1:37:15 AM
    - Remember Madrid? (n/t) - RobVG - 7/13/2004 2:05:55 AM
  - They could go a long way to alleviate suspicion... - alcaray - 7/12/2004 4:40:30 PM
    - "Don't know one way or the other?" Are you serious? - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2004 4:50:11 PM
      - If there is a 9/11-level attack 3 months before the election... - alcaray - 7/12/2004 5:29:23 PM
        
        I don't see how an attack 3 months before an election would be a problem - Larry J - 7/12/2004 6:13:17 PM
        
        I agree with every word you said - alcaray - 7/12/2004 9:49:04 PM
        
        re: If - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2004 5:38:30 PM

Senate Report: Sanctions Were Working - Donald - 7/11/2004 3:23:34 AM
- I'm confused...what happened to "sanctions killing Iraqi children?" - Tom Brosz - 7/11/2004 4:36:12 AM
  - You're either confused or have a bad memory. - Tony - 7/12/2004 7:03:58 PM
    - The problem all along was Saddam. - Tom Brosz - 7/13/2004 4:35:56 AM
  - Yes...you're confused... - Donald - 7/11/2004 1:41:16 PM
  - re: Hypocrisy at work - Raoul - 7/11/2004 9:17:55 AM
    - re: Hypocrisy at work - Tom Brosz - 7/11/2004 4:37:21 PM
      - re: Double standards - Raoul - 7/11/2004 8:31:59 PM
        
        standards - Buck Galaxy - 7/12/2004 9:57:08 AM
        
        We must occupy as long as the insurgents insist that we do. - alcaray - 7/12/2004 9:59:05 PM
  - They were doing that, too. A bit like American bombs - work, kill kids too. (n/t) - Bowser - 7/11/2004 5:29:08 AM
    - So, it only matters if Americans kill kids? - Tom Brosz - 7/11/2004 5:59:13 AM
      - re:So this administration is now counting Iraqi deaths??? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 7/11/2004 7:22:06 AM
        
        Bowser has been consistently harping on Americans killing Iraqi civilians - Tom Brosz - 7/11/2004 4:42:01 PM
        
        A picture. In words. For you. - Bowser - 7/11/2004 6:31:44 PM
        
        re: A picture - Tom Brosz - 7/11/2004 10:04:11 PM
  - re: So is it your contention we (the USA) are the Earth's Mom? Next your going to say we need to invade North Korea because of it's starving kids. - Chris Vancil - 7/11/2004 5:16:03 AM
    - Good God, listen to yourself. - Tom Brosz - 7/11/2004 5:52:30 AM
      - re: Good God, listen to yourself. - Chris Vancil - 7/11/2004 6:49:51 AM

Letter to the editor - Donald - 7/13/2004 4:11:22 AM
- re: Letter to the editor - Tom Brosz - 7/13/2004 4:22:49 AM

For "our" conservatives, who believe torture is just dandy. - Bowser - 7/12/2004 4:44:21 AM
- Care to show some examples of anyone here saying torture is just dandy... - Larry J - 7/12/2004 3:40:52 PM
  - It takes a bit of memory. - Bowser - 7/13/2004 1:58:08 AM

887 - Donald - 7/11/2004 9:53:50 PM
- re: 887 - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/11/2004 10:32:05 PM
  - SDAI's off his meds again............. (n/t) - Will somebody please attend to him? - 7/11/2004 11:47:35 PM
    - C'mon Lindy you can do better than that... - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/12/2004 8:03:00 PM

Vindication again - S - 7/11/2004 8:04:37 PM
- Interesting news - Buck Galaxy - 7/12/2004 7:19:13 AM
- You base this scenario on what previous response to a hijacking? - RobVG - 7/12/2004 1:12:45 AM
- An amazing thought - FrankC - 7/11/2004 11:53:14 PM
  - These scenarios bring up the scariest possibility and perhaps our greatest vulnerability - m - 7/12/2004 1:21:02 AM
    - re: These scenarios bring up the scariest possibility and perhaps our greatest vulnerability - Larry J - 7/12/2004 6:41:41 PM
    - Actually, that scenario used to be considered much more likely than what actually happened. - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2004 5:02:45 AM
    - I think S would suggest the use of SAMs at public events. (n/t) - RobVG - 7/12/2004 1:39:55 AM

Joe Wilson exposed as a complete partisan fraud - phil - 7/12/2004 2:43:44 AM
- re: Joe Wilson, partisan fraud, continued... - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2004 6:24:47 PM
- It could get even more interesting Wednesday... - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2004 4:29:27 AM
- They've had HOW long to smear this guy? - Bowser - 7/12/2004 4:21:23 AM
  - They sent him because someone in the CIA recommended him. - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2004 4:31:46 AM

As rationales for war erode, issue of blame looms large - Donald - 7/10/2004 1:50:41 PM
- Meanwhile: - Donald - 7/10/2004 1:58:20 PM
  - Terrorists successfully influence another nation's politics--again. - Tom Brosz - 7/11/2004 12:36:31 AM
    - re: Terrorists "successful" influence - Buck Galaxy - 7/12/2004 7:28:51 AM
      - Update: - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2004 5:47:28 PM
  - And: Republican Trump To Bush: "You're FIred!" - The Other Donald - 7/10/2004 3:54:25 PM

Religion of peace insight - Buck Galaxy - 7/12/2004 9:04:58 AM
- Now, now, now. - Bowser - 7/12/2004 1:57:50 PM

Ugly, and quite likely, scenario. If history can be a guide. - Bowser - 7/12/2004 4:18:32 AM
- Election delay - Buck Galaxy - 7/12/2004 7:37:10 AM
- Speaking of history... - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2004 4:39:51 AM

Wall Street Journal comments on the report - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2004 5:10:06 AM

Yup..things are just hunkey-dorey - Donald - 7/12/2004 3:28:36 AM
- You obviously have a very weird idea of what constitutes a "war." - Tom Brosz - 7/12/2004 4:43:39 AM

Who was it complaining about Kerry-mandering? He will really be incensed about this. - Bowser - 7/12/2004 4:27:22 AM

Defining yourself by what you hate - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/10/2004 7:59:19 PM
- Myria's packed and gone away... - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/11/2004 10:47:22 PM
- re: Defining yourself by what you hate - Chris Vancil - 7/11/2004 12:43:02 AM
- re: Defining yourself by what you post - Raoul - 7/10/2004 9:04:11 PM
  - political parties........... - Publius - 7/11/2004 1:29:57 AM
  - re: Defining yourself by what you post - FrankC - 7/10/2004 11:04:55 PM
  - re: Defining yourself by what you post - phil - 7/10/2004 10:12:56 PM

885 - Donald - 7/11/2004 2:25:20 PM

Bush gets a good one in - Tom Brosz - 7/8/2004 8:54:31 AM
- re: Bush gets a good one in - Art Martin - 7/8/2004 5:45:48 PM
  - re: Bush gets a good one in - Larry J - 7/8/2004 6:25:26 PM
    - re: Bush is a joke. - Chris Vancil - 7/9/2004 8:27:41 AM
      - Still repeating the same tired lie... - Larry J - 7/9/2004 1:56:09 PM
        
        re: Still repeating the same tired lie...Well stop it! - Chris Vancil - 7/9/2004 6:19:46 PM
        
        re: Still repeating the same tired lie...Well stop it! - gbaikie - 7/9/2004 10:07:37 PM
        
        re: Still repeating the same tired lie...Well stop it! - Chris Vancil - 7/9/2004 11:36:57 PM
        
        re: Still repeating the same tired lie...Well stop it! - gbaikie - 7/10/2004 4:08:00 AM
        
        re: Still repeating the same tired lie...Well stop it! - Chris Vancil - 7/10/2004 7:45:10 AM
        
        re: Still repeating the same tired lie...Well stop it! - gbaikie - 7/10/2004 1:06:42 PM
        
        re: Still repeating the same tired lie...Well stop it! - Chris Vancil - 7/10/2004 11:46:27 PM
        
        Not - gbaikie - 7/11/2004 6:21:10 AM
        
        re: Not - Chris Vancil - 7/11/2004 7:02:25 AM
    - Sometimes all experience does is build power - Art Martin - 7/8/2004 11:02:54 PM
      - The Washington Revolving Door - Larry J - 7/9/2004 1:50:23 PM
- I doubt if Cheney's health will permit another term. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 7/8/2004 4:30:18 PM
- So does Kerry - Donald - 7/8/2004 1:43:08 PM
  - Lame - Larry J - 7/8/2004 2:32:30 PM
    - Fake - Robert - 7/8/2004 6:06:42 PM
      - Typical lying neocon Republicans - Donald - 7/9/2004 12:58:17 AM
        
        What's a single doctored photo that exaggerates the essence of Gore's speech... - Larry J - 7/9/2004 1:29:39 PM
        
        And we just LOVE you too, Larry.... - Davin L. - 7/9/2004 5:24:04 PM
        
        The Left is acting like a bunch of spoiled brats, but that isn't anything new. - Larry J - 7/9/2004 7:25:58 PM
        
        re: The Left is acting like a bunch of spoiled brats, but that isn't anything new. - gbaikie - 7/10/2004 12:42:33 AM
    - Oh good grief - Donald - 7/8/2004 2:51:16 PM
      - I agree with Donald--at least on highly recommending "Triplets of Belleville." (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 7/9/2004 7:24:34 AM
      - If you saw his ranting 'speech'... - Larry J - 7/8/2004 3:38:10 PM
        
        can't engage in political debate without becoming childishly rude? (n/t) - alcaray - 7/8/2004 4:18:36 PM
        
        Tell that to Kerry, Edwards, Gore, Carvelle, Moore, etc. (n/t) - Larry J - 7/8/2004 6:15:45 PM
        
        Funny that your behavior is precisely what you caracterize as theirs. - Davin L. - 7/8/2004 6:51:46 PM
        
        What's really funny... - Larry J - 7/8/2004 7:25:34 PM
        
        QED (n/t) - Davin L. - 7/9/2004 5:25:53 PM
    - Please post a warning when linking to such horrific pictures (n/t) - phil - 7/8/2004 2:43:27 PM
      - Ditto - Scott Evil - 7/8/2004 4:27:59 PM
        
        Scooped. - RobVG - 7/8/2004 4:35:51 PM
        
        Double-scooped - McFly - 7/8/2004 5:51:50 PM
- Shucks, I thought he said............... - Publius - 7/8/2004 12:45:58 PM

A few conclusions from the report you might not see in the papers - Tom Brosz - 7/9/2004 11:42:32 PM
- A careful reading of these.... - Donald - 7/10/2004 12:09:15 AM
  - And an article on the subject - Donald - 7/10/2004 12:26:30 AM
    - re: And an article on the subject - RobVG - 7/10/2004 2:26:21 AM
      - re: And an article on the subject - Chris Vancil - 7/10/2004 3:54:36 AM
        
        I try to keep informed. - RobVG - 7/10/2004 4:43:34 AM
        
        re: I try to keep informed. - Chris Vancil - 7/10/2004 6:26:26 AM
        
        Tell ya what...let's go a little FURTHER back in time. - Tom Brosz - 7/11/2004 1:14:15 AM
        
        re: Tell ya what...let's go a little FURTHER back in time. - Chris Vancil - 7/11/2004 1:27:27 AM
        
        We're talking about drawing conclusions from data. - Tom Brosz - 7/11/2004 4:59:11 AM
        
        re: No, we're talking about having conclusions before ever having data. Then blaming bad results on the data makers. Not the best idea... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 7/11/2004 5:08:57 AM
        
        re: More... - Chris Vancil - 7/10/2004 6:47:27 AM
        
        That's all ya got !? (n/t) - RobVG - 7/10/2004 3:57:36 PM
        
        re: No, but having shot you down with it...it is all I need. - Chris Vancil - 7/10/2004 8:45:16 PM
        
        Phrasing - Tom Brosz - 7/10/2004 4:59:31 AM
    - Keep twisting the truth Donny ...while you can. - RobVG - 7/10/2004 12:35:44 AM
      - Twisting the truth?!? - Donald - 7/10/2004 12:43:57 AM
        
        re: Twisting the truth?!? - Chris Vancil - 7/10/2004 4:04:17 AM
        
        Did you happen to see the phrase that preceded the one about "formal" - RobVG - 7/10/2004 4:52:55 AM
        
        re: Twisting the truth?!? - gbaikie - 7/10/2004 1:56:35 AM
        
        Its really rather simple - Donald - 7/10/2004 2:13:44 AM
        
        So, we're now operating on the premise that there are no terrorists in the world except al Qaeda? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 7/10/2004 1:14:59 AM
        
        No - Donald - 7/10/2004 1:33:32 AM
        
        You're stretching the report again. - Tom Brosz - 7/10/2004 4:34:40 AM
        
        Remember Saddam's army couldn't even defeat the largely children's army of Iran..... - Publius - 7/11/2004 1:43:00 AM
        
        Cripes - Donald - 7/10/2004 5:21:17 AM
        
        You're proving my last sentence. Read the frigging report. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 7/10/2004 5:44:23 AM
        
        C'mon Tom, Saddam is up for Canonization...join the insanity. - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/10/2004 7:06:17 AM

These particular conclusions have to be emphasized: - Tom Brosz - 7/10/2004 1:21:36 AM
- re: These particular conclusions have to be emphasized: - Chris Vancil - 7/10/2004 4:22:43 AM
  - After a massive terror attack on the U.S., CIA tends to interpret data in the most pessimistic, worst-case way possible? Geez, ya think? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 7/11/2004 12:55:47 AM
    - re: After a massive terror attack on the U.S., CIA tends to interpret data in the most pessimistic, worst-case way possible? Geez, ya think? - Chris Vancil - 7/11/2004 4:43:41 AM
      - Fine. The problem with the entire planet is Bush. So vote for Kerry, already. - Tom Brosz - 7/11/2004 4:49:27 AM
        
        re: He isn't helpping the problems only creating more. I will vote for Kerry if you do to. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 7/11/2004 5:04:02 AM
    - Yeah man, all them Terrorist look alike!....let's go kill us some of 'em....Ya think?...... (n/t) - Publius - 7/11/2004 1:33:55 AM
- This report is like the 'f'ing holy grail if you ask me. (n/t) - RobVG - 7/10/2004 2:33:34 AM

Another Bush Lie Exposed - Donald - 7/9/2004 1:01:17 AM
- So every mistake is a lie in Don-land? - ebnelson - 7/10/2004 4:06:44 AM
  - Gland to see you are finally admitting Bush mistakes took us to war...... (n/t) - Publius - 7/11/2004 1:49:03 AM
- And what percentage of 25 million Iraqis is 20,000? - Tom Brosz - 7/9/2004 1:58:10 AM
  - Larger percentage than 130,000 in-country US military is of the population of America. (n/t) - Bowser - 7/9/2004 1:11:18 PM
    - I'm sorry, why is that number relevant to the topic of insurgency in Iraq? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 7/9/2004 9:56:25 PM
    - re: Yes but smaller than the percentage of would-be-terrorists/felons/potential Democrat Party Activists sitting in American prisons - Scott Evil - 7/9/2004 1:19:27 PM
  - You are missing the point - Donald - 7/9/2004 3:36:21 AM
    - Maybe you are. - Tom Brosz - 7/9/2004 7:20:34 AM
      - The subject morphs once again - Donald - 7/9/2004 1:38:48 PM
      - re: Unfortunatly those occasional attacks will be held up as "failure" by the Democrats - Scott Evil - 7/9/2004 1:24:32 PM
        
        Two American soldiers dying each and every day Is not "occasional" - Donald - 7/9/2004 1:43:14 PM
        
        Many Democrats hope the toll rises even further. I suspect you are one of those Democrats. - Scott Evil - 7/9/2004 5:28:46 PM
        
        re:As USA's solders are our sons and daughters and brothers and sisters I really doubt that any Democrat wishes the worse for them. - Chris Vancil - 7/10/2004 3:15:49 AM
        
        Orwellian logic - Donald - 7/9/2004 8:14:32 PM

House Republican leaders strong-arm fellow Republicans... - Chris Vancil - 7/11/2004 1:01:49 AM

NYT June 9, 2003 - Chris Vancil - 7/10/2004 7:15:49 AM
- Indeed - Donald - 7/10/2004 1:54:35 PM

Getting to the crux of the matter... - Tom Brosz - 7/10/2004 5:42:47 AM
- Getting to the real crux of the matter - Buck Galaxy - 7/10/2004 7:41:59 AM
  - re: Getting to the real crux of the matter - gbaikie - 7/10/2004 1:46:00 PM
  - re: Getting to the real crux of the matter - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/10/2004 8:48:03 AM

U.S. News obtains all classified annexes to the Taguba report on Abu Ghraib - Derek - 7/10/2004 1:27:29 PM

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