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Condie is both leaving and staying: - jms - 4/4/2004 7:02:43 PM

Could someone explain this website to me? - Gary - 4/4/2004 12:22:21 AM
- Best I can tell... - FrankC - 4/4/2004 3:51:58 AM
  - re: Best I can tell... - gbaikie - 4/4/2004 6:44:14 AM
- re: Could someone explain this website to me? - gbaikie - 4/4/2004 2:59:58 AM
  - pictures of FDR and Hilary Clinton alongside Lenin, Stalin & Mao ..? - too weird for me to bother with any further (n/t) - Daniel - 4/4/2004 4:42:41 AM

'I saw papers that show US knew al-Qa'ida would attack cities with aeroplanes' - S - 4/3/2004 2:41:56 AM
- 9/11: For the Record - Condoleezza Rice - S - 4/4/2004 5:15:28 AM
  - In Rush to Defend White House, Rice Trips Over Own Words - S - 4/4/2004 5:40:29 AM
- Right on cue. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/3/2004 3:15:45 AM
  - Over the top, and down the backside - even for a true believer. - Bowser - 4/4/2004 5:54:26 AM
  - Deep in denial (n/t) (n/t) - S - 4/4/2004 3:45:36 AM

Lessee. Scott Ritter, or GWB and Colin Powell. Scott Ritter, or our True Believers. - Bowser - 4/3/2004 10:45:14 PM
- Scott Ritter. - Tom Brosz - 4/4/2004 5:03:26 AM
- re: Lessee. Scott Ritter, or GWB and Colin Powell. Scott Ritter, or our True Believers. - gbaikie - 4/4/2004 3:23:00 AM

The Art Of The Deal - FrankC - 4/4/2004 4:15:41 AM

Waiting for the alligator... - Tom Brosz - 4/2/2004 1:23:18 AM
- Tick Tock - RobVG - 4/3/2004 5:43:42 PM
  - Wasn't "clucking out" supposed to stop further terrorism? (n/t) - Gary - 4/3/2004 11:33:58 PM
    - Puppet on a fuse. (n/t) - RobVG - 4/4/2004 3:26:31 AM

Shame: Bush Administration Steals Money from Tortured American POW's - Juan - 4/3/2004 4:07:04 PM

Yep, we are on track for handing over Iraq to the Iraqis in june - R.L. - 4/1/2004 3:20:38 PM
- See Czechoslovakia, Rumania, Bulgaria in the '50s, '60s. - Bowser - 4/3/2004 3:19:38 AM
- No reply- what a surprise (n/t) - r.l. - 4/2/2004 8:31:32 PM

March employment rate comes out tomorrow - Tom Brosz - 4/2/2004 5:10:24 AM
- 308,000 new jobs - Larry J - 4/2/2004 2:31:46 PM
  - In addition to Feb being raised from 21,000 to 46,000 - Tom Brosz - 4/2/2004 9:13:27 PM
  - Markets are UP, peoples' 401Ks are UP - phil - 4/2/2004 4:08:15 PM
  - re: 308,000 new jobs; It's damn well about time! There is no general prosperity without general employment. If this keeps up, Bush just might get re-elected. (I hope.) (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/2/2004 3:03:21 PM
    - The other side of outsourcing - Larry J - 4/2/2004 7:08:31 PM
  - And the household number went down by 3,000. Can anyone explain this? - Tom Brosz - 4/2/2004 2:37:07 PM

Poll in Iraq: Most [Iraqis] say their lives are going well and have improved since before the war, and expectations for the future are very high. - David F Mayer - 4/2/2004 7:13:45 PM

Seven new NATO members - Tom Brosz - 3/30/2004 5:31:07 AM
- It should have zero members. - Lee - 3/30/2004 6:49:57 AM
- re: Seven new NATO members - Bowser - 3/30/2004 5:55:47 AM
  - Your own post says it all. - Tom Brosz - 3/30/2004 6:35:47 AM
    - re: Your own post says it all. - Davin L. - 3/30/2004 3:45:26 PM
      - PS We do have a flame board. - RobVG - 3/30/2004 6:55:15 PM
        
        Not a flame, as such. - Tom Brosz - 3/30/2004 7:46:16 PM
        
        LOL - Davin L. - 3/30/2004 8:53:01 PM
        
        Still waiting Tom: have you or have you not read Clarkes book and/or testimony? - Davin L. - 3/31/2004 4:10:48 PM
        
        I've read the testimony. I haven't read the book. - Tom Brosz - 4/1/2004 1:17:47 AM
        
        re: I've read the testimony. I haven't read the book. - Davin L - 4/1/2004 4:36:05 AM
        
        And my post didn't belong there AND you are showing a gross double standard! - Davin L. - 3/30/2004 7:03:12 PM
        
        Clever. - RobVG - 3/30/2004 9:17:47 PM
        
        Flaky, contemptuous double-standard. Color him maroon. - Bowser - 3/31/2004 3:28:13 AM
        
        Where's my BB gun? - RobVG - 3/31/2004 3:43:28 AM
        
        Turn on a light, face a mirror, and feel around. - Bowser - 3/31/2004 3:48:39 AM
        
        Oh! Damn it! Look what I've stepped in. - RobVG - 3/31/2004 4:06:09 AM
        
        Thanks. It really wasn't personal. (n/t) - Bowser - 3/31/2004 4:30:31 AM
        
        Oh come on Rob (also- wanna Bet?) - Davin L. - 3/31/2004 1:24:02 AM
        
        Take your time. - RobVG - 3/31/2004 2:14:33 AM
        
        For the third time: "Oh! Come on!" - Davin L. - 3/31/2004 2:37:28 AM
        
        Tactic No. 2 - RobVG - 3/31/2004 3:10:17 AM
        
        re: Tactic No. 2 - Davin L. - 3/31/2004 4:59:47 AM
        
        Waiting. - RobVG - 3/31/2004 6:30:10 AM
        
        Be my guest, hell should freeze over sometine in the next 10,000MY - Davin L. - 3/31/2004 4:09:16 PM
        
        I get now. Public "flogging" - RobVG - 3/31/2004 6:50:35 PM
        
        re: I get now. Public "flogging" - Davin L. - 3/31/2004 8:40:14 PM
        
        DRAT!!!! - Davin L. - 3/31/2004 5:03:22 AM
        
        A reminder to us all to keep it real, keep it humble - Tony - 3/31/2004 4:36:10 PM
        
        PS - RobVG - 3/31/2004 2:30:45 AM
      - What's your hurry? - RobVG - 3/30/2004 6:51:36 PM
      - Brass tacks - Tom Brosz - 3/30/2004 4:48:28 PM
        
        Rusty Nails - Davin L. - 3/31/2004 4:23:11 PM
        
        Donors pledge $4.4 bln to Afghanistan this year [Link] - RobVG - 3/31/2004 9:50:52 PM
        
        Use of Denial tactic No.1 - RobVG - 3/31/2004 9:45:56 PM
        
        No deal, sparky - Davin L. - 3/31/2004 10:48:54 PM
        
        re: No deal, sparky - RobVG - 4/1/2004 1:34:33 AM
        
        How about answering some of *my* questions? - Davin L. - 4/1/2004 3:03:35 AM
        
        Arguing for argument's sake? - RobVG - 4/1/2004 7:22:43 PM
        
        Well, a simple "No, Davin, I'm not going to answer any questions that would have me back up my narrow, misleading and selectively quotes statistics" would suffice - Davin L. - 4/2/2004 1:27:09 AM
        
        Arguing with you is like trying to catch minnows with a salmon net. - RobVG - 4/2/2004 3:07:01 AM
        
        Some things you might have overlooked - Davin L. - 4/2/2004 5:03:58 AM
        
        Same story, better source - Davin L. - 4/2/2004 5:19:27 AM
        
        It's ok Davin, just let go... - RobVG - 4/2/2004 6:14:39 PM
        
        I see, so by 'rebuilding' what you really meant was to leave it impoverished, starving and a wreck - Davin L. - 4/2/2004 6:36:59 PM
        
        Bye (n/t) - RobVG - 4/2/2004 6:57:12 PM
        
        Ah....tomorrow is going to be a good day.:-) (n/t) - RobVG - 4/2/2004 6:46:42 AM
        
        Yeah, go ahead- sleep on it - Davin L. - 4/2/2004 7:30:39 AM
        
        And Arguing with you is like trying to hammer a nail through unobtanium.... So is getting answers out of you.(also a word about double standards and name calling) - Davin L. - 4/2/2004 4:44:40 AM
        
        oh, and BTW - Davin L. - 4/1/2004 3:09:29 AM
    - Whatta maroon - Odin - 3/30/2004 9:08:27 AM
      - And what recommendations were those? Be specific. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/30/2004 4:36:44 PM
        
        What recommendations? - Odin - 3/30/2004 9:11:28 PM
      - Wow! What 'politeness', 'civility', and 'compassion' liberals have. - Jacob Samorodin - 3/30/2004 3:48:23 PM
        
        Calm down, lil one - Odin - 3/30/2004 9:16:09 PM
        
        Your sarcasm falls flat when you make open threats of physical violence. - Davin L. - 3/30/2004 4:19:25 PM

Pssst...Bush bashers - Tom Brosz - 4/2/2004 4:24:56 AM
- I wonder where Clark would fit on a list of possible Kerry running mates. - Scott Evil - 4/2/2004 5:08:14 PM
- Yeah! - FrankC - 4/2/2004 5:07:16 PM
- re: Shhhhh... - jms - 4/2/2004 7:03:31 AM

Clarke's recommendations: now he tells us. - Tom Brosz - 4/1/2004 5:21:19 AM
- Clarke was building on his success when in charge of Rwanda policy (n/t) - ebnelson - 4/2/2004 4:17:54 AM
- Many warnings... - jms - 4/2/2004 1:28:41 AM
  - re: Many warnings... - Tom Brosz - 4/2/2004 2:25:28 AM
    - Be sure to check out what Hart-Rudman have to say about space! (n/t) - jms - 4/2/2004 6:38:57 AM
- And BTW - Davin L. - 4/1/2004 4:24:10 PM
  - He is also saying - FrankC - 4/1/2004 9:45:26 PM
    - re: He is also saying - Davin L. - 4/1/2004 11:25:14 PM
      - Simple question - FrankC - 4/2/2004 2:18:31 AM
        
        "It is just politics" - jms - 4/2/2004 6:34:16 AM
        
        politics is politics - FrankC - 4/2/2004 4:50:03 PM
        
        My best understanding - Davin L. - 4/2/2004 5:51:33 AM
    - A shakedown of the intelligence services may have helped he said. - Tony - 4/1/2004 10:23:50 PM
- So exactly when did you read the testimony? - Davin L. - 4/1/2004 4:19:32 PM

Lileks fisks Kerry - Tom Brosz - 4/1/2004 10:53:10 PM
- I admit I didn't make it through very much of the content - alcaray - 4/1/2004 11:26:42 PM

Tomorrow's the Big Day! - Tom Brosz - 3/31/2004 4:36:24 AM
- Live link :-) - Tony - 4/1/2004 10:31:47 PM
- Tomorrow's the Big Day! - Bowser - 3/31/2004 4:46:54 AM
  - Oh, by the way... - Tom Brosz - 3/31/2004 4:44:08 PM
    - Bookmarking this for the next time you object to Hitler comparisons. - Mary Anne - 4/1/2004 1:23:31 PM
      - Good Lord, Mary Anne. Have you seen their lineup?? - Tom Brosz - 4/1/2004 6:27:21 PM
        
        Start with democracy. Work your way down, from there. (n/t) - alcaray - 4/1/2004 6:54:14 PM
        
        Not sure what you're driving at. Most socialists claim to believe in democracy. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/1/2004 9:46:59 PM
        
        dictatorship of the proletariate does not equal democracy. (n/t) - alcaray - 4/1/2004 10:27:02 PM
        
        How about an Autonomous Collective? ;-) (n/t) - Tony - 4/1/2004 10:33:55 PM
        
        Depends - Tony - 4/1/2004 10:26:34 PM
    - The "average Democrats" that I know, avoid tabloids altogether (n/t) - alcaray - 3/31/2004 5:27:31 PM
      - You can do that??? Oh, where do you shop? ;) - Mary Anne - 4/1/2004 1:19:48 PM
        
        Gotta admit that last night in the checkout line... - alcaray - 4/1/2004 3:37:21 PM
  - Yeah, you're right. Al Franken operates on too rarified an intellectual level for me. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 3/31/2004 4:36:22 PM
    - Bad Bowser! Nobody paints with a broad brush here! (n/t) - Tony - 3/31/2004 4:43:47 PM

An explosion at another refinery/chemical plant complex in Texas this week. - Jack Herer - 4/1/2004 6:24:30 PM
- When this kind of thing is investigated, the cause is nearly always sloppy operating procedures. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 4/1/2004 9:46:26 PM

Bush signs "unborn victims of violence" act , , , - Odin - 4/1/2004 8:33:06 PM

9/11 response stifled al Qaeda, detainee says, Chicago, L.A. Towers Were Next Targets - Justin Kelly - 3/31/2004 3:08:34 AM
- A whacky theory of mine... - Gary - 3/31/2004 6:03:18 AM
  - " Bin Laden and his henchmen are idiots!" As is anyone who considers the Washington Times a credible news source. (n/t) - Odin - 3/31/2004 7:28:47 AM
    - re: " Bin Laden and his henchmen are idiots!" As is anyone who considers the Washington Times a credible news source. (n/t) - FrankC - 4/1/2004 12:19:10 AM
      - re: " Bin Laden and his henchmen are idiots!" As is anyone who considers the Washington Times a credible news source. (n/t) - Odin - 4/1/2004 6:04:31 AM
        
        Man you are on a roll - FrankC - 4/1/2004 7:27:57 PM
        
        From a stupid conservative... - Tom Brosz - 4/1/2004 6:37:25 PM
- But aren't we less safe now? (n/t) - ebnelson - 3/31/2004 4:22:43 AM

Arnold takes course in sexual harrassment - Buck Galaxy - 4/1/2004 6:37:43 AM
- We taught the lad a thing or two when he married into the family!! (n/t) - Ted Kennedy - 4/1/2004 7:05:43 PM
- re: Arnold - Tom Brosz - 4/1/2004 4:59:45 PM
- Consented may be too mild a term to describe Monica's involvement (n/t) - alcaray - 4/1/2004 3:43:54 PM
- re: Arnold takes course in sexual harrassment - gbaikie - 4/1/2004 9:47:13 AM
  - You are going to start making up quid pro quo stories, now? - alcaray - 4/1/2004 3:42:25 PM
  - re: Arnold takes course in sexual harrassment - Buck Galaxy - 4/1/2004 3:30:55 PM

Wrong Kerrey running for President? - phil - 3/31/2004 1:01:21 AM
- If you really think Bob Kerrey could be elected POTUS after the Thanh Phong massacre, you're delusional. (n/t) - Odin - 3/31/2004 7:36:58 AM
  - Maybe he could - FrankC - 3/31/2004 3:58:16 PM
    - Try living in the real world. You might like it. - Odin - 4/1/2004 2:50:25 AM
      - Damn Odin - FrankC - 4/1/2004 4:59:22 AM
        
        Put Odin on your ignore list, he's just a troll and contibutes nothing (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 4/1/2004 6:22:46 AM
        
        If youse ignore me, Justin, how'm I gonna learn ya to read? (n/t) - Odin - 4/1/2004 6:37:49 PM

Guilty Verdicts Give Executives a New Focus: Risk of Prison . . . - D. Spires - 3/8/2004 6:57:59 PM
- Y'know, this stuff really inhibits capitalism!!! - Bowser - 3/9/2004 1:17:32 AM
  - re: Nah, just re-enforces it. - Marcia - 3/9/2004 4:33:15 AM
    - Of course Martha Stewart is a Democrat. And Ken Lay is a Republican. - Bowser - 3/9/2004 6:07:57 AM
- I will believe that the system is serious about these crooks when I start seeing some 1000 year sentences being imposed. - David F Mayer - 3/8/2004 7:29:47 PM
  - re: and total liqidation of personal assets acrued through the crime . . . - D. Spires - 3/8/2004 10:23:13 PM
  - Forget long jail sentances...Those only cost the taxpayers money... - Scott Evil - 3/8/2004 7:40:12 PM
    - Picking up garbage is honest work... - Larry J - 3/8/2004 8:15:04 PM
      - re: Picking up garbage is honest work... - marq - 3/31/2004 2:36:57 PM
      - I agree that it is hard honest work...That's why the fraudsters like Martha should be forced to do it. - Scott Evil - 3/9/2004 3:43:19 PM
        
        I'd just hate to see an honest, law abiding garbage collector lose his job to make room for a convicted felon - Larry J - 3/9/2004 4:20:44 PM
        
        Supervising "community service assignees" - Mary Anne - 4/1/2004 2:40:54 PM
    - Martha's crime VERY different from Enron & Worldcomm criminals - phil - 3/8/2004 8:07:01 PM
      - But Martha's crime did lose Billions of $ for ordinary investors. - Scott Evil - 3/9/2004 3:51:48 PM
      - "Kenny-boy" is free as a bird. Friends in high places? (n/t) - Bowser - 3/9/2004 1:19:23 AM
      - A question for you Phil - Lindy - 3/8/2004 10:08:49 PM
        
        re: "Think maybe they all had something up their sleeve?" . . . - D. Spires - 3/8/2004 10:33:26 PM
      - Was Martha Used as a Red Herring? - Lindy - 3/8/2004 9:55:10 PM
        
        re: No, she's a criminal . . . (n/t) - D. Spires - 3/8/2004 10:25:24 PM
    - I must agree with you on this one. (n/t) - David F Mayer - 3/8/2004 7:43:38 PM

â€œCondi Rice would be a superb witness. She is anxious to testify. The president would dearly love to have her testify,â€ Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told reporters. - Bowser - 3/29/2004 5:14:43 AM
- â€œCondi Rice would be a superb witness. She is anxious to testify. The president would dearly love to have her testify,â€ Def Sec Rumsfeld - Looks Like Rumsfeld was right again! (n/t) - p - 3/30/2004 4:43:34 PM
  - Yup, he's a regular fortune teller. May I try? - Mary Anne - 3/31/2004 5:58:04 AM
- Clarke's immunity - Tom Brosz - 3/29/2004 11:35:28 PM
  - Another question - Mary Anne - 3/30/2004 1:30:36 PM
    - Why is that an issue? - Tom Brosz - 3/30/2004 8:14:10 PM
      - It counts because she can say whatever she pleases unless she's under oath. Clarke was under oath. Sauce for the goose... - Mary Anne - 3/31/2004 5:34:45 AM
  - Questions - Tony - 3/30/2004 2:00:01 AM
- She already has testified before the commission... - Larry J - 3/29/2004 2:27:32 PM
  - Do you think she should be accountable to the American public? - Bowser - 3/29/2004 3:17:29 PM
    - It's obvious her allegiance is not to the country but to some other party higher up who has demanded silence. (n/t) - Barney - 3/29/2004 6:52:38 PM
    - re: "accountable to the American public" - Tom Brosz - 3/29/2004 4:53:20 PM
      - "political weapons" - You may be right. - Bowser - 3/29/2004 6:11:17 PM
        
        re: "political weapons" - Tom Brosz - 3/29/2004 6:39:53 PM
        
        Simple question - please stop dodging. If it involves conduct in office, and if itreflects poorly on a politician - Bowser - 3/29/2004 6:58:46 PM
    - I believe some should know... - FrankC - 3/29/2004 3:24:31 PM
      - Frank, you ALWAYS prove me wrong. - Bowser - 3/29/2004 6:14:33 PM
        
        Would it have gone over better .... - FrankC - 3/29/2004 6:28:03 PM
- re: Rice - Raoul - 3/29/2004 5:40:49 AM
  - re: Rice - gbaikie - 3/29/2004 6:38:07 AM
    - re: Al Qaeda - Raoul - 3/29/2004 4:39:58 PM
      - re: Al Qaeda - gbaikie - 3/29/2004 7:12:28 PM
    - re: The terrorists are losing??? - Chris Vancil - 3/29/2004 7:38:13 AM
      - re: The terrorists are losing??? - gbaikie - 3/29/2004 10:41:29 AM
        
        re: The terrorists are losing??? - Chris Vancil - 3/29/2004 7:53:00 PM
        
        re: The terrorists are losing??? - gbaikie - 3/29/2004 8:19:07 PM
        
        re: The terrorists are not losing!!! - Chris Vancil - 3/30/2004 12:49:01 AM
        
        You're right, Bush aint the best person, but Warren Buffet is too busy. (n/t) - Odin - 3/30/2004 4:13:47 AM
        
        re: The terrorists are not losing!!! - gbaikie - 3/30/2004 2:39:00 AM
        
        What would it look like if they were succeeding? - Bowser - 3/29/2004 3:41:31 PM
        
        The Administration, it has been alleged by a credible source, was too busy being not-Clinton on the terrorism front to notice that people the FBI knew were al-Qaida were in the country. - Mary Anne - 3/29/2004 1:36:50 PM
        
        re: The Administration - Tom Brosz - 3/29/2004 5:12:14 PM
        
        The FBI is easy - Mary Anne - 3/29/2004 7:20:33 PM
        
        re: The FBI is easy - Tom Brosz - 3/29/2004 9:49:45 PM
        
        They knew their names already, Tom. - Mary Anne - 3/30/2004 3:30:48 AM
        
        re: They knew, as far as I know, two names. - Tom Brosz - 3/30/2004 4:21:14 AM
        
        re: The FBI is easy - gbaikie - 3/29/2004 8:40:41 PM
        
        Why? (n/t) - Bowser - 3/30/2004 1:20:02 AM
        
        re: Why? - gbaikie - 3/30/2004 3:26:13 AM
        
        And God does indeed love you!! - Bowser - 3/30/2004 4:38:13 AM
        
        It's a good thing there was no FBI in the 1840s. - Mary Anne - 3/30/2004 3:39:20 AM
        
        re: It's a good thing there was no FBI in the 1840s. - gbaikie - 3/30/2004 6:23:09 PM
        
        You said, and I quote: - Mary Anne - 3/31/2004 5:48:14 AM
        
        re: You said, and I quote: - gbaikie - 3/31/2004 11:08:45 AM
        
        "Were Gandhi and Martin Luther King self-respecting radicals? Did they cooperate with the Man?" - Mary Anne - 3/31/2004 1:10:25 PM
        
        re: "Were Gandhi and Martin Luther King self-respecting radicals? Did they cooperate with the Man?" - gbaikie - 3/31/2004 8:47:50 PM
        
        Better than their masters - Mary Anne - 4/1/2004 2:01:04 PM
        
        "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." -- King George III - Odin - 3/30/2004 4:23:53 AM

Israel Steps Up â€˜Children Warâ€™ Against Palestinians . . . - D. Spires - 3/30/2004 11:52:51 PM
- are you saying this is a reliable source? You must be joking .. ? (n/t) - Daniel - 3/31/2004 11:52:40 AM
  - re: Reliable, yes . . . - D. Spires - 3/31/2004 9:22:51 PM
    - I wonder if anyone from their side of the fence... - alcaray - 3/31/2004 9:30:12 PM
      - re: Possibly . . . - D. Spires - 3/31/2004 9:42:03 PM

Bush insiders slam lack of discussion - Bowser - 3/31/2004 3:09:35 AM
- re: Bush insiders slam lack of discussion - McFly - 3/31/2004 6:42:29 PM
- Not so bad from a "left center" think tank - FrankC - 3/31/2004 4:18:06 AM

GOP split by environment strategy - Bowser - 3/31/2004 1:28:46 PM
- The Republican position on the environment is very weak. - David F Mayer - 3/31/2004 6:32:52 PM

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