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LA TIMES: Why the recall is wrong - Don - 9/28/2003 2:29:29 PM

Nationwide Power Outage Hits Italy - 58 million people could be affected. - Jason - 9/28/2003 11:55:09 AM
- re: Nationwide Power Outage Hits Italy - 58 million people could be affected. - Raoul - 9/28/2003 2:09:39 PM

Democrats weighing in on WMD issue - ebnelson - 9/27/2003 5:55:57 PM
- But, but, but GW Bush LIED to us during all the 1990s, He DID! (n/t) - p - 9/27/2003 8:43:32 PM
  - re: during all the 1990s - Fox - 9/28/2003 2:08:17 PM
  - re: But, but, but GW Bush LIED to us during all the 1990s, He DID! - Jason - 9/28/2003 2:55:07 AM
    - thats gay - Justin Kelly - 9/28/2003 1:38:31 PM

Meteorite strikes Indian village - Jason - 9/28/2003 1:34:04 PM

Interesting bit on Wesley Clark - FrankC - 9/27/2003 5:14:24 AM
- That actually got a lot of coverage. - Tom Brosz - 9/27/2003 7:14:29 AM
  - re: That actually got a lot of coverage. - Buck Galaxy - 9/28/2003 1:54:50 AM
    - I don't like vague charges - FrankC - 9/28/2003 3:41:36 AM
      - BTW - FrankC - 9/28/2003 3:53:25 AM

US troops turn botched Saddam raid into a massacre - Joe - 7/28/2003 7:06:32 PM
- Number of civilians killed: three - Tom Brosz - 7/29/2003 3:48:16 AM
  - Once again the trueism holds up: Fisk = Unreliable reporter - Scott Evil - 7/29/2003 2:21:31 PM
- Robert Fisk is finally reporting that the American Troops have arrived in Baghdad I see. - Scott Evil - 7/28/2003 7:59:07 PM
  - Can't see the forest for the trees now can you? - Lindy - 7/29/2003 1:38:22 AM
    - re: Can't see the forest for the trees now can you? - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/29/2003 11:08:12 PM
    - re: Can't see the forest for the trees now can you? - Todd - 7/29/2003 2:49:57 AM
      - If Fisk isn't anti-America then tell me why he skews his reporting so blatently against the US Military - Scott Evil - 7/29/2003 2:32:11 PM
        
        re: If Fisk isn't anti-America then tell me why he skews his reporting so blatently against the US Military - Huw - 9/27/2003 5:49:57 PM
        
        How can you cover a story where Americans killed innocents - alcaray - 7/29/2003 4:03:37 PM
        
        re: How can you cover a story - Tom Brosz - 7/29/2003 5:32:19 PM
        
        I never read the Fisk account and would not seek it out - alcaray - 7/29/2003 6:36:26 PM
        
        Well if 3 civilians were killed I wouldn't report "up to 11 civilians were killed" - Scott Evil - 7/29/2003 4:47:18 PM
      - Anti-American - Tom Brosz - 7/29/2003 3:53:48 AM
    - Fisk - Tom Brosz - 7/29/2003 2:44:07 AM

BBC starting to sweat... - Tom Brosz - 7/21/2003 6:01:05 AM
- So is Mr. Blair and so should Mr. Bush - Don - 7/21/2003 12:49:06 PM
- I wonder who had Dr. Kelly murdered? - Lee - 7/21/2003 7:21:15 AM
  - re: I wonder who had Dr. Kelly murdered? - Splinx - 7/21/2003 3:55:18 PM
    - note - Splinx - 7/21/2003 4:00:33 PM
      - The BBC-NYT Conspiracy to hide the Truth - Scott Evil - 7/21/2003 4:48:45 PM
  - It appears to be a suicide - Don - 7/21/2003 12:51:27 PM
  - The chance of it being murder is very unlikely - Tom Brosz - 7/21/2003 7:54:02 AM
    - re: The chance of it being murder is very unlikely - jasonb - 8/21/2003 1:58:45 AM
    - I'm not so sure. - Lee - 7/22/2003 5:26:23 AM
      - re: I'm not so sure. - Jon - 9/27/2003 12:31:34 PM
        
        Anna Lindh - Lindy - 9/27/2003 4:40:16 PM
      - re: I'm not so sure. - Ian Mac - 8/22/2003 11:12:36 AM
      - re: I'm not so sure. - rastafarout - 7/30/2003 12:57:24 AM

Quake Central - Jason - 9/27/2003 2:40:48 PM
- re: Quake Central - Fox - 9/27/2003 3:14:11 PM

discussion on Tacitus - Greg - 9/27/2003 6:16:35 AM
- re: discussion on Tacitus - Tom Brosz - 9/27/2003 6:34:05 AM
  - re: discussion on Tacitus - Greg - 9/27/2003 6:53:16 AM
    - re: Tacitus - where's the front door? - Fox - 9/27/2003 3:05:30 PM
      - http://www.tacitus.org/ n/t (n/t) - Greg - 9/27/2003 3:09:51 PM

Internal Memos: Diebold Doing End-Runs Around Certification - Greg - 9/24/2003 10:57:36 AM
- any programmers here who could fix this? - Greg - 9/27/2003 10:56:24 AM

Confrontation in the Gulf - Greg - 9/27/2003 7:34:01 AM
- re: Confrontation in the Gulf - Tom Brosz - 9/27/2003 8:25:38 AM

Hilarious Dennis Miller Interview - phil - 9/23/2003 6:03:36 PM
- re: Hilarious Dennis Miller Interview - McFly - 9/23/2003 8:49:36 PM
  - McFly - Lindy - 9/25/2003 5:27:09 PM
  - re: Hilarious Dennis Miller Interview - p - 9/23/2003 9:26:13 PM
- Some good quotes - Tom Brosz - 9/23/2003 6:32:39 PM
  - To be on the Left, you have to be amazingly certain about things youâ€™re guessing at. - FrankC - 9/23/2003 7:04:39 PM
    - I thought the right-wing rant was... - alcaray - 9/23/2003 10:12:52 PM
      - yes and no - FrankC - 9/24/2003 2:10:13 AM
    - Will the real FrankC please stand up, please stand up - Tony - 9/23/2003 7:55:29 PM
      - being wrong... - FrankC - 9/23/2003 9:07:24 PM
        
        There is a difference between being consistent and being bloody minded. - Davin L. - 9/25/2003 6:18:23 AM
        
        A few comments, drifting off the topic, of course. - Tom Brosz - 9/25/2003 4:58:46 PM
        
        re: A few comments, drifting off the topic, of course. - Davin L. - 9/25/2003 10:27:08 PM
        
        Okay, let's haul over to Off Topic... - Tom Brosz - 9/25/2003 11:50:16 PM
        
        happy to draw you out - FrankC - 9/25/2003 4:45:47 PM
        
        My points remain the same - Davin L. - 9/26/2003 4:00:07 AM
        
        scrabbling for high ground - FrankC - 9/26/2003 8:24:40 PM
        
        re: scrabbling for high ground - Davin L. - 9/26/2003 9:01:32 PM
        
        re: My points do too. - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 8:25:46 AM
        
        re: My points do too. - Davin L. - 9/26/2003 3:11:57 PM
        
        Putting up. - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 9:43:08 PM
        
        Thanks Tom - Davin L - 9/26/2003 10:56:39 PM
        
        No problem. Let me start you out... - Tom Brosz - 9/27/2003 12:09:40 AM
        
        re: No problem. Let me start you out... - Davin L - 9/27/2003 12:18:26 AM
        
        Polls - Tom Brosz - 9/27/2003 7:39:33 AM
        
        Davin for President - Lindy - 9/26/2003 5:27:05 PM
        
        Thanks Lindy, but no thanks - Davin L. - 9/26/2003 9:23:56 PM
        
        re: Thanks Lindy, but no thanks - Lindy - 9/27/2003 2:56:36 AM
        
        Neocon? - FrankC - 9/26/2003 8:36:16 PM
        
        Frank, your armband is in the mail...... - Lindy - 9/26/2003 10:02:56 PM
        
        Gee, I don't know what you're thinking of. What came to my mind was the Mickey Mouse Club! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 10:14:33 PM
        
        Nice job Frank! ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/26/2003 2:26:35 AM
        
        I can be wrong about anything - Tony - 9/24/2003 12:36:26 PM
        
        The crux of the problem - FrankC - 9/24/2003 3:55:23 PM
        
        It's OK - Tony - 9/24/2003 6:55:20 PM
        
        re: Franken - FrankC - 9/24/2003 9:33:06 PM
        
        Natural confusion. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/23/2003 9:55:45 PM

Religion of peace update - Buck Galaxy - 9/26/2003 3:21:54 PM
- harsh Islamic Shariah law - FrankC - 9/26/2003 5:01:49 PM
  - Islam needs to be publicly humiliated and discredited - Lee - 9/27/2003 5:22:44 AM
  - meant to reply to LJ (n/t) - FrankC - 9/26/2003 5:04:20 PM
- re: Religion of peace update - LJ - 9/26/2003 4:05:52 PM
  - I disagree re: Sharia - p - 9/26/2003 9:23:45 PM
  - Ours or theirs? n/t (n/t) - Lindy - 9/26/2003 4:34:15 PM

Deadlier than war in Iraq, EU deaths from heatwave 19,000 and growing - p - 9/26/2003 9:03:14 PM
- Now we know why the French so hated the idea of war in Iraq. - Lee - 9/27/2003 4:38:06 AM
- give the French some credit for honesty - Buster - 9/26/2003 10:47:14 PM
  - To cut the French a little more slack... - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 10:59:10 PM
    - In Switzerland - Buster - 9/26/2003 11:25:35 PM

Bush U.N. speech persuades few - Don - 9/24/2003 4:56:22 AM
- Meanwhile: Baghdad Blasts Undermine Bush Bid for Iraq Backing - Don - 9/24/2003 2:06:34 PM
  - is this some of your primo evidence we should let the UN take over? - Buster - 9/24/2003 10:10:10 PM
  - And: One Year After Dossier, UK Intelligence Under Fire - Don - 9/24/2003 2:12:38 PM
- Bush refuses to kiss U.N. ass - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2003 6:32:09 AM
  - Why did he address the UN, then? - alcaray - 9/24/2003 5:28:41 PM
    - can't answer a simple question can you? - Buster - 9/25/2003 1:13:47 AM
      - Read Mary Anne's simple answer. Don't get why you think it's such a hard question. (n/t) - alcaray - 9/25/2003 4:28:22 PM
        
        I don't. you're the one that didn't answer it (n/t) - Buster - 9/25/2003 10:53:40 PM
        
        All right, knucklehead - alcaray - 9/25/2003 11:38:06 PM
        
        Meaningless arguments - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 12:00:11 AM
        
        If you assert that none of the items on my list are valid... - alcaray - 9/26/2003 3:55:46 PM
        
        Whoa...just noticed a big chunk of my post disappeared. - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 8:39:22 PM
      - A couple benefits of UN support that we don't have - Mary Anne - 9/25/2003 12:27:25 PM
        
        your faulty assumption is - Buster - 9/25/2003 11:03:24 PM
        
        Fortune telling - Mary Anne - 9/26/2003 1:51:05 AM
        
        re: Fortune telling - gbaikie - 9/27/2003 2:03:07 AM
        
        re: UN support - Tom Brosz - 9/25/2003 4:32:00 PM
        
        The third alternative - Mary Anne - 9/25/2003 5:49:42 PM
    - re: Why did he address the UN, then? - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2003 5:37:38 PM
      - re: "He went in front of them to lay out a reasonable approach to bringing Iraq into the community of nations." - alcaray - 9/24/2003 9:23:31 PM
        
        Reconstruction plan - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2003 10:13:36 PM
        
        I really don't agree that the UN is happy with the current state of affairs (n/t) - alcaray - 9/24/2003 10:36:04 PM
        
        you no doubt base this on their rush to help Iraq right? Only someone satisfied with the satus quo would do nothing but make chest beating speeches (n/t) - Buster - 9/25/2003 12:59:35 AM
        
        Huh? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/25/2003 4:29:51 PM
        
        the sarcasm escaped you - Buster - 9/26/2003 11:36:11 PM
  - Perhaps you are asking the wrong question - McFly - 9/24/2003 2:22:07 PM
    - re: the wrong question - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2003 5:32:06 PM
      - re: the wrong question - gbaikie - 9/24/2003 11:42:06 PM
        
        Whoa. Good point. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2003 11:58:05 PM
    - But you are offering the right answer - Don - 9/24/2003 2:49:13 PM
  - re: No - Raoul - 9/24/2003 12:20:42 PM
- Bushâ€™s U.N. fiasco - Don - 9/24/2003 4:59:35 AM
  - the UN needs the US we don't need the UN especially when ruled by hidden agendas and motives - Buster - 9/24/2003 6:47:45 AM
    - Rome didn't need no outside help, neither! (n/t) - LJ - 9/24/2003 3:42:34 PM
      - not until internal strife and ineptidude made it weak - Buster - 9/25/2003 1:05:43 AM
    - So why is it that... - Don - 9/24/2003 1:31:27 PM
      - you confuse what is desirable with what is necessary. The US can do it alone albeit with a little pain. The UN is squat without the US. (n/t) - Buster - 9/25/2003 1:02:00 AM
      - Can we clear something up? - Tom Brosz - 9/24/2003 5:40:28 PM
        
        Because he IS, but he DIDN'T (n/t) - LJ - 9/24/2003 6:01:32 PM
        
        we should impeach anyone who dares learn from mistakes eh? - Buster - 9/25/2003 1:16:59 AM

French Death Toll Passes 15,000 - Mark Eby - 9/25/2003 3:30:22 PM
- Chirac's getting plenty of heat from it - you're just not reading French media (n/t) - Tony - 9/25/2003 6:04:30 PM
- re: French Death Toll - Raoul - 9/25/2003 4:46:43 PM
  - Give my buddies some credit - alcaray - 9/25/2003 5:31:36 PM
  - re: French Death Toll - Tom Brosz - 9/25/2003 5:22:28 PM
    - re: French Death Toll - Raoul - 9/26/2003 8:35:44 AM
      - you shouldn't - Buster - 9/26/2003 11:05:00 PM
  - re: French Death Toll - Mark Eby - 9/25/2003 5:14:51 PM
    - re: I'm from Belgium - Raoul - 9/26/2003 8:32:38 AM
- Shameful - FrankC - 9/25/2003 4:04:57 PM

Another GI killed - Don - 9/26/2003 2:00:39 PM
- Meanwhile: Iraq costs raise GOP worries - Don - 9/26/2003 2:03:51 PM
  - And: U.N. Shifts More Relief Staff Out of Baghdad - Don - 9/26/2003 2:09:21 PM
    - more of Don's evidence we should let the wishy washy UN take over Iraq? (n/t) - Buster - 9/26/2003 10:58:51 PM
    - Finally: The issue that simply will not go away - Don - 9/26/2003 2:17:55 PM
      - Again with the link! - alcaray - 9/26/2003 5:02:23 PM
        
        re: Again with the link - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 5:44:44 PM
        
        Greedo - LJ - 9/26/2003 7:46:57 PM
        
        To take an analogy to wretched excess... - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 8:26:27 PM
        
        We were talking about weapons capability estimates changing (n/t) - alcaray - 9/26/2003 6:18:35 PM
      - This time for sure, Rocky! - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 4:34:55 PM

Rock Singer Robert Palmer Dies at Age 54 . . . - D. Spires - 9/26/2003 6:53:07 PM
- Rather Shocking......... - Lindy - 9/26/2003 9:45:27 PM
  - re: As far as John in concerned . . . - D. Spires - 9/26/2003 10:10:26 PM

Two Bombs Found Outside Iraqi Mosque . . . - D. Spires - 9/26/2003 9:50:53 PM

Man Accused Of Buying Military Parts For Iran . . . - D. Spires - 9/26/2003 9:45:20 PM

Saddam - 9/11 links - LJ - 9/26/2003 7:36:44 PM
- Historical revision, revised. - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 8:52:58 PM

Congress Votes for Do-Not-Call Registry . . . - D. Spires - 9/25/2003 10:21:16 PM
- re: Some hilarity . . . - D. Spires - 9/25/2003 11:39:13 PM
  - Congress has proven it can act quickly on this issue... - Larry J - 9/26/2003 5:33:45 PM
    - re: Freedom of Speech ruling seems to hold . . . - D. Spires - 9/26/2003 7:16:33 PM
  - Freedom *from* speech (and other hilarity) - Fox - 9/26/2003 3:18:02 AM
  - A windfall for answering machine manufacturers - Mary Anne - 9/26/2003 12:53:20 AM
    - re: That one hurt my side, Mary Anne . . . ! - D. Spires - 9/26/2003 1:03:54 AM

Current Science News - Not Space - New Ape? - Mark Eby - 9/25/2003 2:42:37 PM
- Maybe Yeti... - FrankC - 9/25/2003 8:28:34 PM
- not keeping up with the Zone! - phil - 9/25/2003 3:46:20 PM
  - When? - Mark Eby - 9/25/2003 4:01:58 PM
    - re: When? - p - 9/25/2003 4:41:43 PM
      - Here you go. - alcaray - 9/25/2003 5:20:14 PM
- New Ape? - Lindy - 9/25/2003 3:06:08 PM
  - But I didn't think cross breeding of subspecies was possible? - Lee - 9/26/2003 1:39:21 AM
    - Not true, existance proof: NASCAR fans, humans & apes (n/t) - p - 9/26/2003 2:39:37 PM
      - HZ posters (n/t) - LJ - 9/26/2003 3:54:47 PM
        
        Ook! (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 6:10:24 PM
  - Let's Suggest Some Names - Maybe They'll Catch On - Mark Eby - 9/25/2003 3:24:59 PM

The Failure to Find Iraqi Weapons - Don - 9/26/2003 4:09:59 AM
- Pretty good article. - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 7:58:08 AM
  - Normally your research is excellent, Tom... - McFly - 9/26/2003 2:21:22 PM
    - re: research - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 3:57:37 PM
      - Thanks Tom - McFly - 9/26/2003 5:33:45 PM
        
        re: Thanks - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 6:08:18 PM
      - Who wants to be first? - LJ - 9/26/2003 4:10:21 PM
    - I should have said... - McFly - 9/26/2003 2:49:39 PM
  - The source - Don - 9/26/2003 1:20:07 PM
    - re: The source - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 4:05:00 PM

Economic news out of Iraq - Tom Brosz - 9/26/2003 5:26:31 PM

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