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A question of priorities - Larry J - 1/29/2003 7:58:23 PM
- They must spend $2.50 a day per cow on subsidies... - Scott - 1/29/2003 8:18:08 PM
  - Out of interest - Tony - 1/29/2003 8:52:16 PM
    - You might as Ted Turner or Scottie Pippin... - Larry J - 1/30/2003 3:42:27 PM
      - Just saw the news - Ted's gonna need it :-) n/t (n/t) - Tony - 1/30/2003 7:06:13 PM
        
        Sounds like bad news for the UN - Larry J - 1/30/2003 7:38:48 PM
    - Hard to say...Some farms need and/or receive very few subsidies. - Scott - 1/29/2003 9:33:26 AM
      - Scott is right - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 12:26:13 PM

the French at war against US.... - Publius - 1/30/2003 2:14:53 PM
- Re: the French at war against US.... - Raoul Lannoy - 1/30/2003 6:45:56 PM

Dear Editor (concerning the "rush to war") - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 5:40:55 PM
- Oh, BTW Robert, they printed it today (Jan. 30). Neener, neener! ;) (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/30/2003 4:47:46 PM
  - Congrats, Tom. § (n/t) - ebnelson - 1/30/2003 6:43:59 PM
  - Congratulations! - Robert - 1/30/2003 5:24:37 PM
    - Editing - Tom Brosz - 1/30/2003 5:37:01 PM
- From OpinionJournal yesterday... - Larry J - 1/29/2003 7:21:08 PM
  - Reading that article is what brought the Mercury News' absurdity into perspective for me today. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 12:15:03 PM

War, Hydrogen, and Bush's State of the Union Address - Success_Machine - 1/29/2003 12:56:27 PM
- If we had a mature fission power industry - ebnelson - 1/30/2003 3:49:49 PM
- Just because YOU happen to believe something is BS... - Larry J - 1/29/2003 1:25:20 PM
  - Re: If I believe something is BS, it usually is. - Success_Machine - 1/29/2003 3:23:35 PM
    - We can parse your statment to get to the truth: - ebnelson - 1/30/2003 6:43:07 PM
    - WHAT??? This from the SM that consistently "mis calculates"? ROTFL!!! (n/t) - p - 1/30/2003 5:42:17 PM
    - Based on your posts, the converse is more often true - Larry J - 1/30/2003 2:49:27 PM
    - Well... - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/29/2003 4:01:50 PM

Any thoughts on the State of the Union Address? - Robert - 1/28/2003 3:52:55 PM
- Thoughts on the State of the Union Address? - Lindy - 1/28/2003 5:41:11 PM
  - Are you ready to support the war now? - ebnelson - 1/30/2003 4:57:14 PM
    - Re: Are you ready to support the war now? - Lindy - 1/30/2003 9:54:20 AM
  - An interesting story... - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 5:30:18 PM
  - The Mirage family of fighter jets are French, not Russian - RobVG - 1/29/2003 2:44:46 PM
  - Ummm...er, Lindy, is that really you??? n/t (n/t) - McFly - 1/29/2003 2:08:41 PM
  - Not a typo - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 2:01:12 PM
- Dan Rather seemed impressed - FrankC - 1/28/2003 4:27:16 PM
  - Re: Dan Rather seemed impressed - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 4:35:45 PM
    - Not ferrets... - Robert - 1/28/2003 5:03:32 PM
- Well - ebnelson - 1/28/2003 4:12:09 PM
  - Not really - Robert - 1/28/2003 5:14:11 PM
    - Re: We'll know more... - Marcia - 1/29/2003 2:28:15 PM
- Re: Any thoughts - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 4:10:46 PM
  - Re: Any thoughts - McFly - 1/29/2003 3:04:56 PM
    - Shaky assumption - Robert - 1/29/2003 6:09:55 PM
      - Re: Shaky assumption - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 7:08:36 PM
        
        Bingo - Robert - 1/29/2003 8:07:59 PM
        
        There needs to be some fundamental restructuring of the tax code - Larry J - 1/29/2003 8:47:16 PM
        
        Re: There needs to be some fundamental restructuring of the tax code - Robert - 1/30/2003 5:01:24 PM
        
        The marriage tax - the only thing Newt and I agreed on :-) n/t (n/t) - Tony - 1/29/2003 8:53:57 PM
        
        Re: Bingo - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 12:18:42 PM
        
        Re: Bingo - Robert - 1/30/2003 5:15:16 PM
        
        Restructuring - Tom Brosz - 1/30/2003 5:33:02 PM
        
        Re: Restructuring - Robert - 1/30/2003 6:41:35 PM
  - Our own little Saddam Enabler, Sheila Jackson Lee - ebnelson - 1/28/2003 4:59:25 PM

Religion of Peace's school in Africa - p - 1/30/2003 6:16:55 PM

The Speech was good. - Robert E. B. - 1/29/2003 12:23:10 PM
- I thought the pundits missed the importance of the hydrogen car proposal - Scott - 1/29/2003 4:33:25 PM
  - Did you catch Sen. Murray's response? - Robert E. B. - 1/29/2003 5:56:52 PM
    - Bush's use of the UN was brilliant. - RobVG - 1/29/2003 6:55:14 PM
      - Re: Bush's use of the UN was brilliant. - ebnelson - 1/30/2003 4:08:06 PM
        
        To avoid war or to buy time for preparation? - RobVG - 1/30/2003 6:15:34 PM
  - How come "leftists" who call hydrogen an energy source, get new ones ripped, but not W? n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 1/29/2003 4:56:49 PM
    - You were expecting "Aargh, govt funding!!!! Bad George. Bad George"? - Tony - 1/29/2003 6:20:13 PM
    - Hydrogen car - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 5:19:31 PM
      - Its my understanding that the hydrogen can be manufacured as it is used - Scott - 1/29/2003 5:43:26 PM
        
        We just need to develope a hydrogen mining industry. - alcaray - 1/29/2003 6:31:40 PM
        
        Look up... waaaay up! (preferrably around noon) n/t (n/t) - LJ - 1/29/2003 6:58:07 PM
        
        Where there is a will there is a way - Robert E. B. - 1/29/2003 5:58:25 PM
        
        ...and... - Robert E. B. - 1/29/2003 6:07:35 PM
        
        Since no one else is taking this up - alcaray - 1/29/2003 6:39:14 PM
        
        Re: Since no one else is taking this up - Robert E. B. - 1/29/2003 6:48:47 PM
        
        You are right about solar energy being pretty clean - alcaray - 1/29/2003 7:23:05 PM
        
        Re: Where there is a will there is a way - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 6:03:28 PM
        
        Hydrogen sources... - Adam - 1/29/2003 9:14:40 AM
        
        Good points. Its worth noting that the energy in doesn't equal energy out argument is a non-starter. - Scott - 1/29/2003 9:42:24 AM
      - Re: Hydrogen car - Johannes - 1/29/2003 4:03:46 PM
    - It wasn't me that ripped em' a new one... - Scott - 1/29/2003 5:16:37 PM
- Such a love-fest going on here, I'm moved to present an "opposing view" - alcaray - 1/29/2003 12:15:47 PM
  - One more dissenter - Tony - 1/30/2003 3:46:22 PM
  - I was teaching a class at the time... - Larry J - 1/30/2003 3:31:56 PM

Making the world safe for despots, one tyrant at a time. - ebnelson - 1/30/2003 3:55:04 PM
- The New Appeasers - Larry J - 1/30/2003 5:41:31 PM
- ANSWER and the Feb. 15 protests. - Tom Brosz - 1/30/2003 5:10:48 PM
  - Their goal is not liberation - ebnelson - 1/30/2003 5:25:09 PM

This seems pretty well stated. - ebnelson - 1/30/2003 4:57:53 PM

Don't know the credibility of this source. If true, it could be very significant. - ebnelson` - 1/30/2003 3:05:00 PM
- Re: Don't know the credibility of this source - Tom Brosz - 1/30/2003 4:53:16 PM

How not to win friends and influence people... - Larry J - 1/29/2003 10:18:56 AM
- " I also began to wonder where the left gets its harshness -- a know-it-all style of dark grievance-dom that has increasingly come to define the peace movement." - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/29/2003 4:12:46 PM
  - A not so peaceful peace protest yesterday... - Larry J - 1/30/2003 2:47:48 PM

The one entity that can NEVER "get by on less." - Tom Brosz - 1/30/2003 2:27:54 PM

"We will not pander..." - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 1:18:47 PM
- Re: - Robert E. B. - 1/30/2003 1:27:00 PM

Iraq linked to the murder of American diplomat Laurence Foley - Matt Burley - 1/30/2003 11:46:11 AM

41 Nobel Laureates Sign Against a War Without International Support - Lindy - 1/29/2003 6:25:31 PM
- Re: Nelson Mandela probably wasn't invited . . . ? (n/t) (n/t) - D. Spires - 1/30/2003 9:37:57 AM
- Broad International Support - Tom Brosz - 1/30/2003 9:25:53 AM

What people in Europe who still have scrupes have said. - ebnelson - 1/28/2003 3:39:10 PM
- Awesome. (n/t) - Scott - 1/29/2003 4:46:02 PM
- Re: anti-americanism - Raoul Lannoy - 1/28/2003 6:46:19 PM
  - Anti-Europeanism - Larry J - 1/29/2003 2:42:27 PM
    - Re: differences - Raoul - 1/29/2003 5:26:08 PM
      - "Are there any other regulars from 'Old Europe', besides me, over here?" - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 5:59:39 PM
        
        Well there's me, I suppose - Tony - 1/29/2003 6:10:07 PM
        
        Wow. You must really hate yourself. - Scott - 1/29/2003 8:11:40 PM
        
        Re: Well there's me, I suppose - Robert E. B. - 1/29/2003 6:46:51 PM
        
        I'm worse - Tony - 1/29/2003 7:12:08 PM
      - Anti-Islamic heritage - Adam - 1/29/2003 9:02:06 AM
        
        Re: Responsability - Raoul - 1/29/2003 10:57:54 AM
    - The French just can't get over the Louisiana Purchase... - Scott - 1/29/2003 5:05:38 PM
      - Re: The French - Raoul - 1/29/2003 5:29:51 PM
        
        Raoul - Tony - 1/29/2003 6:13:09 PM
        
        Re: The economist - Raoul - 1/29/2003 8:57:47 PM
        
        C'est ici - Tony - 1/29/2003 9:15:36 AM
        
        Re: Une grande dame! - Raoul - 1/29/2003 9:28:22 AM
        
        So you mean the Simpson's view of the French is wrong. - Robert E. B. - 1/29/2003 6:11:55 PM
        
        I refuse to believe it! - Scott - 1/29/2003 6:07:16 PM
        
        Re: Let's see - Raoul Lannoy - 1/29/2003 9:17:29 AM
        
        Now them's fuedin' words... - Scott - 1/29/2003 9:45:43 AM
        
        Now them's fuedin' words... - Scott - 1/29/2003 9:45:40 AM
        
        I was just struck by the though "How lucky we Americans are that Europeans see us as gunslinging Texas cowboys... - Scott - 1/29/2003 10:15:02 AM
        
        Not everyone thinks war is a bad idea - Larry J - 1/29/2003 10:36:19 AM
        
        Now if that ain't bad enough... - Scott - 1/29/2003 10:18:38 AM
        
        Re: The French - Publius - 1/29/2003 12:02:27 PM
        
        Re: The French - Raoul - 1/29/2003 6:42:54 PM
- Re: people in Europe - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 4:37:56 PM
  - Who makes excuses for Pol Pot? n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 1/29/2003 5:09:12 PM
    - Re: Who makes excuses for Pol Pot? - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 5:57:36 PM
      - You read this stuff for fun? - alcaray - 1/29/2003 7:12:39 PM
        
        Oh, you side-stepper you - Tony - 1/29/2003 8:11:42 PM
        
        Re: Oh, you side-stepper you - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 12:45:49 PM
        
        Well, my grammy and grampy did a fair bit of square dancing. - alcaray - 1/29/2003 11:41:54 AM
- While that's all true... - Adam - 1/28/2003 4:00:13 PM
  - Germany and France makes billions of Iraqi suffering. - ebnelson - 1/28/2003 4:09:57 PM

Sharon overruns opposition in election? - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 8:46:57 PM
- opposition fragmented and blather - E.P Grondine - 1/29/2003 10:18:19 AM
  - Sure it is, if your nuts... (n/t) - Scott - 1/29/2003 10:22:03 AM
- Re: Israeli election - Fox - 1/28/2003 2:36:03 PM
  - Re: Israeli election - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 4:13:34 PM
    - Do you have a link to... - alcaray - 1/29/2003 5:02:03 PM
      - Re: Do you have a link to... - Tom Brosz - 1/29/2003 7:03:52 PM
- Re: Sharon overruns opposition in election? - Raoul - 1/28/2003 9:29:29 AM

Huge boost in Bush's Poll numbers 54% to 81%!! - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/29/2003 12:26:49 PM
- More numbers to crunch... - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/29/2003 4:26:00 PM

The world waits - Raoul Lannoy - 1/27/2003 6:20:40 PM
- Bunker Busters - Lindy - 1/27/2003 7:27:11 PM
- Re: The world waits - Tom Brosz - 1/27/2003 7:05:38 PM
  - A good reason - Tony - 1/27/2003 7:31:52 PM
    - Re: A good reason - Robert - 1/27/2003 8:39:18 PM
      - Did I really say 'technically in material breach'? - Robert - 1/27/2003 9:14:35 AM
    - Re: A good reason - Larry J - 1/27/2003 7:42:34 PM
      - Re: Comparison with the Missile crisis in Cuba - Raoul - 1/27/2003 9:58:28 AM
        
        Re: Comparison with the Missile crisis in Cuba - Robert - 1/27/2003 11:51:43 AM
    - Re: A good reason - Tom Brosz - 1/27/2003 7:42:20 PM
      - On behalf of the Left - Tony - 1/27/2003 8:41:18 PM
        
        Re: On behalf of the Left - Tom Brosz - 1/27/2003 11:29:44 AM
        
        BTW - Tony - 1/28/2003 7:41:35 PM
        
        So why did Bush go to the UN? - Tony - 1/28/2003 7:36:43 PM
        
        Bad advice from Colin Powell, perhaps? - Larry J - 1/28/2003 8:58:48 PM
        
        Didn't dad Bush and Scowcroft have something to do with it, too? n/t (n/t) - alcaray - 1/28/2003 9:05:58 AM
        
        Don't know..but bad advice is bad advice regardless of the source. nt (n/t) - Larry J - 1/28/2003 10:21:55 AM
        
        I said I didn't agree with him doing it, didn't I? (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 7:39:26 PM
        
        No, - Tony - 1/28/2003 7:50:18 PM
        
        Bush is a Ruler Unto Himself - Lindy - 1/28/2003 10:09:02 AM
      - Do leftists really think Saddam is telling the truth? [n/t] (n/t) - Jacob Samorodin - 1/27/2003 8:25:49 PM

If Bin Ladin is hiding in Iraq, does that make Sadam an accessory to the 9/11 attacks? - Scott - 1/27/2003 9:18:35 AM
- Re: If - Splinx - 1/27/2003 4:49:37 PM
  - Re: If - McFly - 1/28/2003 6:29:02 PM
    - bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks - Robert E. B. - 1/28/2003 7:51:14 PM
    - Re: If - Splinx - 1/28/2003 6:53:03 PM
      - Re: Off into the ozone - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 8:05:29 PM
        
        typical attack on source, not substance... - Splinx - 1/28/2003 8:17:49 PM
        
        Splinx, I'm glad your not a Right winger - Scott - 1/28/2003 8:58:06 PM
        
        Re: typical attack on source - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 8:50:56 PM
        
        What was that... - Splinx - 1/28/2003 9:07:30 AM
        
        That is like criticizing someone for attacking the National Enquirer. - Robert E. B. - 1/28/2003 8:42:17 PM
        
        Not really - Splinx - 1/28/2003 9:02:05 AM
      - Re: Unbelievable, SP (Re. both of your 'if' posts). n/t (n/t) - Marcia - 1/28/2003 7:40:38 PM
      - What about the Al Queda training manuals found in the hijackers cars... - Scott - 1/28/2003 6:58:43 PM
    - Apparently Bin Ladin lies... - Scott - 1/28/2003 6:39:34 PM
  - "So," he said, knowing he would hate himself in the morning, "who do YOU think did it?" (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/27/2003 5:04:09 PM
    - Re: - Splinx - 1/28/2003 6:08:31 PM
      - Personally, I think 9/11 was just several unrelated plane crashes... - Anne Leftleaner - 1/28/2003 6:37:17 PM
- Bin Ladin is almost certainly dead - Matt Burley - 1/27/2003 12:14:50 PM
- Yes, IF... - Robert - 1/27/2003 11:53:54 AM

When Iraq kicked out the UN inspectors a few years ago, why didn’t the US take action? - Robert E. B. - 1/28/2003 8:48:23 PM
- ...and... - Robert E. B. - 1/28/2003 8:52:17 PM
  - Sadam timed the event so that it didn't conflict with any Clinton Court appearences... N/T (n/t) - Scott - 1/28/2003 8:54:43 PM
- Someone else was President then. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 8:51:39 PM
- Re: It's the UN or was it Iraq - Raoul Lannoy - 1/28/2003 10:33:32 AM

Israel launches major Gaza raid - Bowser - 1/25/2003 2:48:52 PM
- Good! The Israel raid was entirely justified! - Matt Burley - 1/26/2003 6:54:01 PM
  - The Israel raid was entirely avoidable - E.P. Grondine - 1/27/2003 11:08:32 AM
    - The Mideast crisis was entirely avoidable - Tom Brosz - 1/27/2003 11:45:20 AM
      - The Arabs gambled and lost - Lee - 1/27/2003 2:15:03 PM
- Re: Israel launches major Gaza raid - Tom Brosz - 1/25/2003 5:53:03 PM
  - More on the "metal workshops" - Tom Brosz - 1/26/2003 10:18:55 AM
    - We have smart bombs - Lee - 1/26/2003 11:32:40 AM
- If Israel wants security - Lee - 1/25/2003 5:05:29 PM
  - Re: If Israel wants security - Fox - 1/26/2003 12:53:30 PM
    - Both Jews and Arab Palestinians have a right to live in their homeland - Matt Burley - 1/26/2003 7:23:13 PM
    - Reality is a Harsh Mistress - Lee - 1/26/2003 7:06:54 PM
      - And Lebensraum is a Tawdry Harlot - Splinx - 1/26/2003 4:31:02 PM
        
        Devour your enemies piecemeal. - Lee - 1/26/2003 6:48:26 PM
        
        Your logic, knowledge of history are flawed - Splinx - 1/27/2003 3:01:24 PM
        
        Re: Your logic, knowledge of history are flawed - Lee - 1/27/2003 5:55:52 PM
        
        Re: Your logic, knowledge of history are flawed - Splinx - 1/27/2003 4:59:20 PM
        
        Your knowledge of history is flawed - Tom Brosz - 1/27/2003 5:12:11 PM
        
        The meek inherit nothing, to the strong goes the spoils. - Lee - 1/28/2003 8:53:48 PM
        
        Translation: - Splinx - 1/28/2003 5:16:13 PM
        
        No, it doesn't make "right." It just wins. - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 7:49:13 PM
        
        Note - Splinx - 1/28/2003 5:34:18 PM
        
        Victory - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 7:38:23 PM
        
        Re: With apologies to Wm. Shakespeare... - Marcia - 1/28/2003 7:32:10 PM
    - Any solution totally in Palestinians hands...... - Publius - 1/26/2003 3:06:20 PM
      - Palestinian options. - Bowser - 1/26/2003 8:25:19 PM
      - specify please - Splinx - 1/26/2003 4:14:54 PM
        
        Re: specify - Tom Brosz - 1/26/2003 8:49:56 PM
        
        Re: Sorry...combatant response was directed at Bowser. (n/t) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/26/2003 8:50:55 PM
        
        Thank you - Fox - 1/26/2003 5:41:00 PM
        
        Re: Good statement there, Fox. - Marcia - 1/27/2003 5:30:16 PM
        
        Re: statement - Marcia - 1/27/2003 5:50:48 PM
        
        A tip of the hat in return - Splinx - 1/27/2003 3:25:25 PM
        
        Re: Thank you. - Marcia - 1/26/2003 6:17:03 PM
      - Re: Publius, I totally agree with you on this one. n/t (n/t) - Marcia - 1/26/2003 4:01:10 PM

Bush going to turn over a card or two? - Tom Brosz - 1/27/2003 5:17:25 PM
- If Bush shows Iraq - Al Queda link, that it won't matter what the UN inspectors find - Matt Burley - 1/28/2003 6:41:57 PM
  - Yeap. will make morons out of the Susan Seran-Dunce crowd - Scott - 1/28/2003 6:56:15 PM

Ivory Coast - Raoul - 1/28/2003 5:15:30 PM
- Re: Ivory Coast - Tom Brosz - 1/28/2003 6:05:29 PM
  - Europeans do know about border disputes...N/T (n/t) - Scott - 1/28/2003 6:20:08 PM

If as is rumored, Bush's state of the Union address includes a call for new fuel cell and alternative fuel initiatives... - Scott - 1/28/2003 6:18:56 PM

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