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Growing marijuana in Israel... - Jody - 1/3/2013 3:56:44 AM

Cops in schools - TB - 1/1/2013 3:30:11 AM
- The issue has little to do with keeping children safe. The entire thing is a power grab by gun control advocates. n/t - RobVG - 1/1/2013 4:28:30 AM
  - One of many power grabs going on right now. - TB - 1/1/2013 4:15:40 PM

ESPN announcer Ron Franklin fired for calling female colleague "sweet baby" - FrankC - 1/1/2013 6:38:26 AM

Feinstein's gun ban draft - RobVG - 12/31/2012 4:06:48 PM
- For the record... - RobVG - 1/1/2013 1:46:44 AM
- I recommend you:... - alcaray - 12/31/2012 5:26:26 PM
  - Well, if you have a source that contradicts mine I'd like to see it. n/t - RobVG - 1/1/2013 1:35:02 AM
  - Re: I recommend you:... - TB - 12/31/2012 5:40:17 PM
    - And here I thought my two points were simple and indisputable. - alcaray - 12/31/2012 7:22:25 PM
      - Well, yeah, they are. - MaryAnne - 12/31/2012 7:27:10 PM
    - Oh yes. And then we'd read the NRA's "analysis" that rocket and grenade launchers, and particle-beam and nuclear weapons, might be next down this slippery slope. - Robert - 12/31/2012 6:11:46 PM
      - If mortars are outlawed, only outlaws will have mortars. Same with lollipops. - bowser - 12/31/2012 9:23:06 PM
      - Re: Oh yes. And then we'd read the NRA's "analysis" that rocket and grenade launchers, and particle-beam and nuclear weapons, might be next down this slippery slope. - TB - 12/31/2012 6:24:31 PM

Some teachers quickly warming to guns in schools. - RobVG - 12/28/2012 5:40:57 AM
- Talk about making important decisions in the heat of the moment. - alcaray - 12/28/2012 6:39:23 AM
  - To be honest - RobVG - 12/29/2012 12:33:23 AM
    - Volunteers are just more people with guns. There will be accidents and maybe worse. - alcaray - 12/29/2012 1:10:55 AM

The Navy is home for the holidays - TB - 12/27/2012 6:52:40 PM
- Talk about logistics - SteveS - 12/28/2012 11:05:57 PM
- For Japanese naval pilots on December 7, 1941, - bowser - 12/27/2012 11:23:29 PM

Little known fact regarding Schwarzkopf and the invasion of Kuwait - bowser - 12/28/2012 7:08:52 PM

Gerry Anderson passed away - alcaray - 12/28/2012 5:50:04 PM

How not to have the discussion - RobVG - 12/27/2012 5:42:31 AM
- How DO we have the discussion? - bowser - 12/27/2012 5:30:25 PM
  - I don't have a problem with anything you said - FrankC - 12/27/2012 6:59:08 PM
    - And I agree completely with you. - bowser - 12/28/2012 2:02:23 AM
  - Off duty police carry guns all the time. - MaryAnne - 12/27/2012 5:50:11 PM
- Well, thank you, Journal News. - MaryAnne - 12/27/2012 12:55:53 PM

An opinion on gun control - TB - 12/22/2012 3:33:34 AM
- Following the broader Conservative pattern. - bowser - 12/22/2012 5:00:43 AM
  - I share your dismay - mcfly - 12/22/2012 4:16:34 PM
    - Us vs. Them - MaryAnne - 12/23/2012 6:59:18 PM
      - When politics funds everything, politics will control everything. - TB - 12/23/2012 8:59:03 PM
        
        However did we get any objective data out of government studies? - MaryAnne - 12/23/2012 9:14:35 PM
        
        The subject was whether or not something gets funded in the first place, not what the results end up being. - TB - 12/23/2012 10:25:31 PM
        
        Grant-funded projects make up a lot of research funding. - MaryAnne - 12/23/2012 10:56:20 PM
    - Well... - TB - 12/22/2012 6:52:22 PM
      - There's a couple of assumptions you and others seem to be making about my position - mcfly - 12/23/2012 10:45:58 PM
        
        Immediate action - MaryAnne - 12/23/2012 11:43:06 PM
        
        I realize we all react to things differently - mcfly - 12/24/2012 12:28:09 AM
        
        Lynch mobs have outrage. - TB - 12/24/2012 3:25:53 AM
        
        well gee, you've figured me out, haven't you? - mcfly - 12/24/2012 10:57:03 AM
        
        Re: well gee, you've figured me out, haven't you? - TB - 12/24/2012 4:18:34 PM
        
        I knew I should have smacked you for that one. - MaryAnne - 12/26/2012 10:07:57 PM
        
        Definitions. - TB - 12/27/2012 5:25:14 PM
        
        Re: Definitions. - Jody - 12/27/2012 6:29:36 PM
        
        Of course not. - TB - 12/27/2012 6:42:58 PM
        
        Re: Of course not. - Jody - 12/27/2012 7:16:10 PM
        
        TB, you accused me of having a "lynch mob" mentality, of "emotional fanaticism" - mcfly - 12/26/2012 8:28:47 PM
        
        The idea was raised that "absence of outrage" was a "dereliction." - TB - 12/26/2012 9:33:46 PM
        
        Gotcha - mcfly - 12/26/2012 10:16:57 PM
        
        Re: Gotcha - Jody - 12/27/2012 2:22:30 AM
        
        "Worn down" - RobVG - 12/27/2012 1:51:49 AM
        
        No, please... - MaryAnne - 12/26/2012 10:21:49 PM
        
        I'm trying to think of what, exactly, to do myself. - MaryAnne - 12/24/2012 1:04:13 AM
      - I don't think you believe very much of this post. - bowser - 12/22/2012 7:21:55 PM
        
        "Do you really think that the US couldn’t control guns if it wanted to?" - TB - 12/22/2012 7:52:43 PM
        
        Take a plane someplace and then tell me the US cannot control gun possession. - bowser - 12/22/2012 8:57:42 PM
        
        "Take a plane someplace and then tell me the US cannot control gun possession." - TB - 12/22/2012 10:20:00 PM

Gun insurance - RobVG - 12/26/2012 7:13:40 PM
- That's not bad - Robert - 12/26/2012 10:07:29 PM
  - I agree. - MaryAnne - 12/26/2012 11:08:56 PM
    - Your objections are things that are ongoing discussions in insurance policy today. - alcaray - 12/26/2012 11:21:17 PM
      - Practice - MaryAnne - 12/26/2012 11:29:45 PM

"Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi... - alcaray - 12/26/2012 10:56:45 PM

Inside the meltdown - BuckGalaxy - 12/26/2012 5:57:25 PM

GOP's Xmas gift to the nation: Economic ruin - BuckGalaxy - 12/24/2012 7:18:20 PM
- "It ends when certain very powerful people and institutions decide they can no longer do business with these people," - BuckGalaxy - 12/25/2012 2:35:06 AM
- Will no one save the middle class from Clinton's tax rates? - TB - 12/24/2012 8:27:42 PM
  - The totality of your denial is breathtaking. - BuckGalaxy - 12/24/2012 10:35:37 PM

"There's Little We Can Do to Prevent Another Massacre" - TB - 12/21/2012 8:33:52 PM
- excellent reading - FrankC - 12/21/2012 9:49:26 PM
  - Hmm. I thought is was rehash and a waste of time. Oh well. n/t - RobVG - 12/22/2012 5:43:45 PM
  - A well-written article - mcfly - 12/21/2012 10:29:01 PM
    - "acquiesce" is probably the word you're looking for - Robert - 12/21/2012 11:38:15 PM
      - Would you like to define the evil of which you speak? - MaryAnne - 12/22/2012 1:31:45 AM
        
        taxonomies of evil - Robert - 12/22/2012 1:52:56 AM
        
        "We" - MaryAnne - 12/22/2012 2:31:19 AM
    - *sigh* - MaryAnne - 12/21/2012 10:46:44 PM
      - Re: *sigh* - mcfly - 12/21/2012 11:51:53 PM
        
        Re: *sigh* - TB - 12/22/2012 12:44:21 AM
        
        I didn't make that definition up, TB - mcfly - 12/22/2012 1:16:20 AM
        
        seeking vs grasping - FrankC - 12/22/2012 12:33:59 AM
        
        We are saying that the mentality that makes decisions based on the statement "Something must be done"... - MaryAnne - 12/22/2012 12:23:49 AM
      - Welcome to my world. - TB - 12/21/2012 11:03:18 PM
        
        Mary Anne, you're in TB's world? - mcfly - 12/22/2012 12:12:49 AM
        
        lolol - MaryAnne - 12/22/2012 1:40:12 AM

Thinking the unthinkable - Jody - 12/16/2012 3:57:36 AM
- Another personal story along this same line, - TB - 12/22/2012 3:23:27 PM
- Madmen don't kill people. - ER - 12/17/2012 1:15:06 PM
  - 27,000 people lost to this "plague"? I think that number is greater than the total number of homicides in the US n/t - RobVG - 12/17/2012 4:50:12 PM
    - It probably is. - ER - 12/17/2012 5:39:32 PM
      - Thanks - RobVG - 12/18/2012 12:05:57 AM
        
        30.06 - ER - 12/18/2012 2:55:08 AM
  - Re: Madmen don't kill people. - Jody - 12/17/2012 4:11:27 PM
- Disaster waiting to happen - TB - 12/16/2012 9:36:47 PM
  - Re: Disaster waiting to happen - Jody - 12/16/2012 10:34:33 PM
- Thanks, Jody, for this story. - MaryAnne - 12/16/2012 4:13:34 PM

“Nothing can be done” - Robert - 12/21/2012 5:02:15 AM
- OK. So, what to do? - MaryAnne - 12/21/2012 1:10:39 PM
  - As with nuclear weapons, guns necessitate more gun ownership to protect you from all the guns. - alcaray - 12/21/2012 7:42:32 PM
    - Another conversation: disarmament as negotiation. - MaryAnne - 12/21/2012 9:00:32 PM
      - I've got nothing aainst law-abiding gun owners either. - mcfly - 12/21/2012 9:34:55 PM
        
        John O'Hara, in his novella "Imagine Kissing Pete" (I think)... - MaryAnne - 12/21/2012 9:58:03 PM
        
        Alcohol and firearms, huh? - mcfly - 12/22/2012 12:21:14 AM
        
        The Feds put them together, along with tobacco, and later, explosives. - MaryAnne - 12/22/2012 1:56:03 AM
        
        They don't legislate emission controls and mileage standards. - TB - 12/21/2012 9:49:32 PM
    - Where? - TB - 12/21/2012 7:43:49 PM
      - What? - alcaray - 12/21/2012 7:54:40 PM
        
        We're not talking about nuclear weapons. - TB - 12/21/2012 8:01:57 PM
        
        That was an analogy, Tom. - alcaray - 12/21/2012 8:10:12 PM
        
        Okay, if we're doing analogies... - TB - 12/21/2012 8:25:29 PM
        
        You are misaken (though it's largely beside the point). - alcaray - 12/21/2012 9:53:14 PM
        
        Fine, but next we're doing S'mores - mcfly - 12/21/2012 9:51:50 PM
        
        Let's see... - TB - 12/21/2012 9:54:07 PM
  - I'm disappointed - Robert - 12/21/2012 6:44:41 PM
    - And we're talking past each other. Again. - MaryAnne - 12/21/2012 8:32:14 PM
      - Creating a better society - mcfly - 12/22/2012 12:40:23 AM
        
        I don't care about the "nothing can be done" crowd unless they cut off my money. - MaryAnne - 12/22/2012 2:05:01 AM
      - Nobody thinks twice about armed bank guards being a good idea. - TB - 12/21/2012 9:51:56 PM
        
        We don't have any. - MaryAnne - 12/21/2012 10:14:02 PM
      - PS: The gun shops' parking lots were full again this morning. - MaryAnne - 12/21/2012 9:17:16 PM
      - I agree with your solution, but... - FrankC - 12/21/2012 9:09:56 PM
        
        Amen, and it's about time, too. - MaryAnne - 12/21/2012 9:31:05 PM
    - What you did say in your post: - TB - 12/21/2012 7:16:35 PM
      - "I found out that there is no magic wand that can keep a lunatic from finding a weapon and using it to commit mass murder." - alcaray - 12/21/2012 7:52:31 PM
- It's not a "conservative" meme. - TB - 12/21/2012 6:18:02 AM
  - Oh, sorry, I didn't realize... - Robert - 12/21/2012 6:47:49 PM
    - You don't really want discussion. - TB - 12/21/2012 7:35:48 PM
      - Are you on drugs? Take a look at this thread. (n/t) - Robert - 12/21/2012 10:52:58 PM

Boehner is toast as SOTH - BuckGalaxy - 12/21/2012 4:49:04 AM
- Right rages at Boehner - BuckGalaxy - 12/21/2012 6:09:38 PM
- We're likely going over the cliff because the GOP is in complete disarray. - BuckGalaxy - 12/21/2012 4:52:07 AM
  - But of course it's a great comfort to know... - mcfly - 12/21/2012 12:35:13 PM
    - Do you really think this debate is about the fiscal cliff? Or the budget? - TB - 12/21/2012 2:26:29 PM
      - I'm hardly the only one who feels the way I do - mcfly - 12/21/2012 8:29:27 PM
        
        I'm just watching the dance. - TB - 12/21/2012 9:38:54 PM
        
        But that's exactly the choice conservatives are giving us - mcfly - 12/21/2012 10:51:05 PM
        
        The Dems won the election - BuckGalaxy - 12/21/2012 10:16:30 PM

Congress is quietly abandoning the 5th amendment - TB - 12/21/2012 5:20:25 PM
- Congress has passed unconstitutional laws before. - MaryAnne - 12/21/2012 5:56:40 PM
  - Oops! Forgot the Executive branch! Obama can refuse to sign it. - MaryAnne - 12/21/2012 5:57:32 PM

Warrantless surveillance - TB - 9/28/2012 3:56:48 AM
- Unintentional "bump." Sorry. - TB - 12/21/2012 5:22:04 PM
- I think we need laws to protect our electronic privacy. - alcaray - 9/28/2012 5:41:04 PM
- Heard anything lately about secret renditions? Waterboarding? How about "Shock and Awe"? - bowser - 9/28/2012 4:41:18 AM

"Do something!" - TB - 12/17/2012 6:26:57 PM
- move along, move along, nothing to see here, move along - Robert - 12/17/2012 10:16:16 PM
- Is this the thread that's supposed "to tell you where most of the gun violence in this country does come from"? - alcaray - 12/17/2012 8:32:45 PM
- Re: "Do something!" - Jody - 12/17/2012 7:33:59 PM
  - Conservatives appear fond of a meme... - mcfly - 12/21/2012 4:08:24 AM
- Adam Lanza is a fluke, an outlier, an accident. - ER - 12/17/2012 6:37:24 PM

ER's post moved to Flame (n/t) (n/t) - Robert - 12/21/2012 1:32:06 AM

In response to "What motive?", from below. - ER - 12/19/2012 2:16:30 PM
- It's about ignorance. - TB - 12/19/2012 5:31:05 PM
  - You're obviously not up to date on your ghetto crime stats. - ER - 12/19/2012 8:09:00 PM
    - "The assault rifle has become the weapon of choice in drive-by shootings." - TB - 12/19/2012 9:00:05 PM
      - No Tom, the car and the victims are both stationary. - ER - 12/19/2012 9:57:53 PM
        
        You're making this stuff up. n/t - RobVG - 12/20/2012 5:13:56 PM
        
        You just noticed that? - TB - 12/20/2012 5:16:51 PM
- The subject. - RobVG - 12/19/2012 4:23:55 PM
  - I'd feel safer if my neighbors did not own guns. - alcaray - 12/19/2012 9:11:10 PM
  - No, YOU want to talk about murders only because it fits your narrative better. - ER - 12/19/2012 8:20:01 PM
    - Because in this context, only murders are relevant. - TB - 12/19/2012 9:08:38 PM
      - No, Tom. You don't get to pick what we're going to talk about. - ER - 12/19/2012 9:49:01 PM
        
        Look very far for what? - TB - 12/20/2012 4:31:25 AM
  - More on violent criminals as the problem: - TB - 12/19/2012 6:11:28 PM
    - Right off the top of my head I can think of 27 who don't. - ER - 12/19/2012 8:10:13 PM

250 years of school shootings - RobVG - 12/16/2012 6:10:08 PM
- People are going to get sick no matter what we do, so why bother building hospitals? - alcaray - 12/16/2012 9:00:49 PM
  - If you're suggesting there is nothing we can do to stop gun violence, I disagree n/t - RobVG - 12/16/2012 9:50:07 PM
    - I'm not suggesting any such thing. - alcaray - 12/16/2012 10:01:11 PM
      - Funny, I was't trying to make a point. n/t - RobVG - 12/16/2012 11:01:20 PM
        
        I noticed that - Robert - 12/17/2012 3:46:40 AM
        
        The pornography analogy is apt. - ER - 12/17/2012 6:36:36 AM
        
        and - Robert - 12/17/2012 10:35:12 PM
        
        My girls are all markswomen. - MaryAnne - 12/18/2012 12:25:52 AM
        
        Mass murderers are almost always men - Robert - 12/18/2012 2:39:08 AM
        
        "I’m sure you can guess where I think gun violence comes from." - TB - 12/17/2012 5:11:59 PM
        
        Please proceed. - ER - 12/17/2012 5:50:49 PM
        
        Black on Black or gang related for starters. n/t - RobVG - 12/18/2012 12:36:55 AM
        
        Citizens are citizens. - alcaray - 12/18/2012 6:34:32 AM
        
        I don't consider violent criminals "citizens". - RobVG - 12/18/2012 3:45:01 PM
        
        "I can’t think of any other reason why blacks would be killing blacks." - ER - 12/18/2012 9:38:11 PM
        
        My god you are so off base. I expect an apology. Don't care if I receive it. n/t - RobVG - 12/19/2012 1:37:16 AM
        
        "I can’t think of any other reason why blacks would be killing blacks." - ER - 12/19/2012 3:07:42 AM
        
        Guess I should have added 'in such numbers'. - RobVG - 12/19/2012 5:26:47 AM
        
        You're missing the point. Deliberately. Again. - TB - 12/18/2012 9:41:49 PM
        
        You obviously didn't read my post. - ER - 12/18/2012 11:14:29 PM
        
        Oh, I read it. I read everything. - TB - 12/19/2012 3:22:06 AM
        
        So tell me, Tom. What's my motive? - ER - 12/19/2012 4:16:10 AM
        
        What "motive?" - TB - 12/19/2012 4:47:59 AM
        
        See above. - ER - 12/19/2012 1:27:57 PM
        
        Some statistics: - TB - 12/18/2012 4:13:39 PM
        
        Gangs of New York - ER - 12/18/2012 2:12:21 AM
        
        See? Thread's already dead. - TB - 12/17/2012 5:56:46 PM
        
        Maybe the problem is the underlying premise that something can always be "done." - TB - 12/17/2012 4:21:01 AM
        
        Humans do things to make things better. - alcaray - 12/17/2012 5:58:41 AM
        
        Licensing surgeons and airline pilots doesn't guarantee they won't make mistakes. - ER - 12/17/2012 5:50:47 AM
        
        Cooler heads. - RobVG - 12/17/2012 4:08:10 AM
        
        There are things to talk about - Robert - 12/17/2012 8:36:04 PM
        
        Tasers figured in a local case of wrongful death, decided against the police. - MaryAnne - 12/18/2012 1:38:36 AM
        
        Lethality is a statistical concept - Robert - 12/18/2012 2:45:24 AM
        
        Simple question. Why do you want to bring the 2nd amendment into it? n/t - RobVG - 12/18/2012 12:33:44 AM
        
        Because it's frequently cited as preventing any attempt to control guns. - Robert - 12/18/2012 2:43:11 AM
        
        Fair enough - RobVG - 12/18/2012 4:13:49 AM
        
        Connecticut still has an assault weapons ban. - TB - 12/18/2012 2:27:51 PM
        
        right you are - Robert - 12/18/2012 5:24:37 AM
        
        Monster porn - RobVG - 12/17/2012 4:38:15 AM
        
        There's more to it than just pro and anti gun sides. - ER - 12/17/2012 5:36:56 AM
        
        And yet, you did. - alcaray - 12/17/2012 3:44:57 AM

Why the gun is civilization - TB - 12/18/2012 10:30:23 PM
- What a noble and carefully reasoned sentiment. - ER - 12/18/2012 11:24:46 PM

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