The military dropped MK-77 incendiaries--yes, that's "napalm" by any rational definition, even if it's not the same formula--on Iraqi military positions on three known occasions.
We did not drop them on Iraqi civilians, or villages, so I don't think it's necessary to start going overboard on burning children running down roads, or war crimes. The treaty on napalm involves use on civilians, so even if we had signed it, we wouldn't have been in violation of it. I have been unable to locate a copy of the treaty that has the signatories on it, but I suspect that the signatories largely consist of either those nations that have not fielded a soldier in anger in fifty years, thanks to the U.S. and its allies, or those who cheerfully sign every treaty that comes their way, knowing full well they are going to ignore it.
There may have been other ways to clear out these military positions, including shelling, aerial bombing, or other methods, but I doubt any of them would have been much more pleasant.
Yes, the psychological effects of a weapon ARE critical in warfare, and used properly, can lead to early surrender and saving other lives. The main effect of the nuclear attack on Hiroshima was psychological. The number of people killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined was less than the number killed in a single night of firebombing of Tokyo.
Incendiaries also have the virtue of destroying things like nerve gas or biological weapons if they are suspected at the target zone. Standard explosives simply disperse them. There is no evidence I can see that this was used as a rationale for the attacks in Iraq, but it is a rationale for having such weapons in one's arsenal.
The MK-77 is the only incendiary of this type now in service, although I think there is a bunker-buster that uses combustion to render the bunker uninhabitable.
My two cents worth on this
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- Immoral
- re: The immorality of napalm usage depends upon what you would consider a moral war . . .
- Nope. You just find excuses
- This thread is certainly easier to follow in 1024 x 768 display mode (n/t)
- The epitome of flame wars! Robert please add this to the hall o' flame!(nt) (n/t)
- You've only scratched the surface, bud
- fwiw, welcome Zhavric...and to Raoul...
- re: You've only scratched the surface, bud
- Actually...
- re: Actually...
- Since its flame, and you are acting
- Wow...
- re: Wow...
- Listen
- Dear Stupid
- re: What . . . ?
- Abandon all integrity oh ye who enter the hollow passage of the Right Wing Mind
- Let me clear it up for you...
- re: Listen
- Listen
- Chamberlain and Hitler were also chummy...
- re: Wow...
- re: Actually...
- Actually...
- My two cents worth on this
- re: Stupid
- re: Immoral
- Immoral
- Napalm is nasty stuff..
- As long as hairs are being split
- Splitting hairs way too finely
- OK, name a great way to die, and one that doesn't take up medical resources (n/t)
- Surely you jest
- yeagh, napalm is bad, but wait till you see what a chemical weapon can do!!
- re: the Burn Unit
- Ok then, name an explosive that won't burn anyone (n/t)
- re: No. YOU tell me what justifies the use of a weapon whose specific intent is to burn people.
- re: the Burn Unit
- Ok then, name an explosive that won't burn anyone (n/t)
- Let's review the situation
- re: the Burn Unit
- re: Surely you jest
- Phycological effects
- yeagh, napalm is bad, but wait till you see what a chemical weapon can do!!
- Well...
- Surely you jest
- Oh come on Robert
- "terror is as terror does"
- Shotguns were widely used by American troops in Vietnam...
- By your definition, we should get rid of everything but pea shooters.
- Shoehorned??
- re: "terror is as terror does"
- "terror is as terror does"
- OK, name a great way to die, and one that doesn't take up medical resources (n/t)
- I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
- re: Remember?
- It smells like children on fire.
- re: Funny girl . . .
- The same could be said about any weapon.
- Lee proves himself to be a P.O.S. yet again
- Oh man!
- I had a uncle killed in Vietnam by a 10 year old.
- re: I had a uncle killed in Vietnam by a 10 year old.
- The only good gook is a dead gook?
- re: The only good gook is a dead gook?
- re: The only good gook is a dead gook?
- re: The only good gook is a dead gook?
- an odd question, given the person.
- I'm sure the children of Hamburg and Berlin had the same look on their faces too.
- I had a uncle killed in Vietnam by a 10 year old.
